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there. he is expected to break the tie after senators voted on the procedural motion to advance with trump's so-called big beautiful bill. trump failed to get full support from his party. at this time, the republican senators who are holdouts thom tillis, rand paul, ron johnson, all of them voted no. if it passes, the senate will begin debate on the bill, which we expect to take many hours. joining us now by phone, nbc news senior national political reporter sahil kapur. so, sahil, bring us up to speed on what you know about the tiktok, if you will, of this day. given the fact that the vote was supposed to happen at 4 p.m. five hours later, it seems that jd vance has had to interrupt his saturday evening to get to work. >> high drama in the senate. let me paint. >> you. >> a picture. they were expected to start this vote at 4 p.m. it dragged out for several hours

before they even began the vote. they began voting at 730, about an. >> hour. >> and a half ago. and the vote is still not called. i'm monitoring the senate floor right now as we speak. it is 46 to 50. there are 50 opponents, meaning no. nobody else can oppose this bill. otherwise it dies here and now. there are three republicans who have already voted against this bill. that is rand paul, that is ron johnson, and that is thom tillis. they cannot afford any more defections. and all four senators who have left who have yet to vote are republicans. now, the one that we are all keeping the closest eye on is senator lisa murkowski. she has been on the floor chatting with multiple other republicans. she is arguably the most moderate republican in the chamber. she's from alaska. she's cast major votes against her party's leadership, voted to impeach trump the last time around, or rather, convict him on impeachment charges the last time around. she is not an easy vote to get. and just a few moments ago, she was sitting on

the senate floor, not having cast her vote, talking to multiple members, and we couldn't hear exactly what they were saying. but she is still an open question at this time. she has not said how she was going to vote after she voted for the previous iteration of the senate bill, she said she had serious reservations with it and could not commit to voting for this measure in the future unless those concerns were met. now she has held her cards close to the vest. she has not announced one way or the other coming into this, how she will vote. so she's a big one that we're watching. and then in addition, two others who haven't voted on the republican side are senator mike lee and senator rick scott. they are close to ron johnson. johnson has voted no. these two, like johnson, are deficit hawks, or at least spending hawks who don't like the fact that this bill adds significantly to the national debt. are they going to go the way of ron johnson if even one of them goes the way of ron johnson? this bill can't move forward. but still, we're not sure how they're going to vote. and there's cynthia

lummis, who nobody really had on their radar as an open question. not quite clear to me why she hasn't voted, but she is expected to support this bill in the end. >> so, sawhill, i'm curious. i had heard that nobody wants to be the no vote that is responsible for holding this up. and we still have four, four holdouts that could tank this bill, at least for this, from this procedural motion. why do you think there seems to be i don't know if courage is the right word here, but there seems to be more willingness to throw this procedural vote off track. given the amount of ire it would likely attract from president trump. >> yeah, we can only. >> speculate here. >> in terms of why these four republicans haven't voted yet. but to your point, one theory is that at least some of them want to vote no, but don't want to be

vote number 51, because then you were the person that scuttled the bill, and most of the spotlight falls on you. that is one theory. the other theory is that they are holding negotiations. now, this is a tactic that certain majority leaders, including chuck schumer, have used in the past. just keep a vote open for, you know, minutes and minutes for hours and hours, even while you negotiate with the senators about their concerns, try to make assurances and promises, try to, you know, guarantee that they'll get an amendment, maybe even change the shape of the bill in the midst of this vote, with plans to revise certain pieces of it. all of that is in play at this time. so we really don't know what the reason is. if this bill does end up going down, if it's, you know, not just murkowski, but maybe if it's several others who end up voting no. i think your theory could come into play here. but again, we just don't know. we know that vice president vance is in the chamber ready or rather, in the capitol ready to

cast a tie breaking vote. if all these four republicans who haven't voted yet end up supporting the bill, it will break 5050 and vance will be able to cast that crucial tie breaking vote. so a lot more questions than answers at this time. suffice it to say, this is not how senate republican leaders wanted this to go. leave alone the delay of the bill. the fact that we are more than an hour. >> and. >> a half into this vote, and they still don't have the votes to move forward. it doesn't portend well for this bill, guys, because as i was saying, even some of the senators who voted to proceed to debate are not necessarily a yes on actual passage of this bill. i'm thinking most notably susan collins, who said, in fact, that she's leaning no on passage of the bill. she just wanted to give her party the vote, to be able to debate it and to move forward on it. so they're a long way from home right now. >> i don't have the answer to this question. i wonder if either or you know, catherine, but out of these four holdouts who is actually up for reelection before the end of president trump's second term,

because you'd think that there there could be some if there if there, as you were saying, and rightfully asking a very important question, are they somehow finding the courage, the courage to stand up to donald trump on this particular issue, whether it is about debt, whether it's about medicaid or the snap cuts? are they finding this courage because they know they are going to outlive him politically? he's now on the clock for three years. he has to get through the midterms. the republicans have to get through the midterms. they may not be on the hook. >> that i don't know. i don't actually have that information in front of me. sawhill, do you know who's up? >> well, i will. >> say we know that thom tillis is up for reelection. he's one of the nose in the purple state of north carolina. in terms of these senators. i know off the top of my head that lisa murkowski last got elected in 2022, which means she's up in 2028. that's when her six year cycle expires. but she's kind of a political unicorn because she's been able to win that. that red state of alaska, you know, by winning a lot of moderates and the way their vote

is structured, she's been able to withstand opposition from from conservatives. in fact, she even lost a republican primary way back in 2010 and won as a write in candidate with the last name murkowski, where people had to spell it correctly. so she feels very secure in her state, and she has been known to be a maverick in the past. so that's why i say she's the one i find most interesting of these members. and i know that mike lee just got elected within the last within the last cycle or two. so he's not up anytime. >> vulnerable politically. >> i think. >> he might be on to something here. they may have these these members may have more time. maybe that's maybe that's part of the reason they're even toying with the with this sawhill. >> do we know when the congressional budget office, the neutral, nonpartisan scorekeeper, is expected to come up with numbers for this recent version of the bill that everybody is now voting on? but the only numbers that i had seen that were sort of leaked earlier today by ron wyden, his office

were that the current version of the medicaid cuts. now cuts medicaid by about $1 trillion, almost $1 trillion. but i think we still don't know what this looks like for food stamps or any other safety net programs. do we have any updates on that? >> it's a great. >> question because the bill came out around midnight last night, so it doesn't give the cbo a whole lot of time to score it. but the goal, my understanding is that they put out an analysis today. tonight. that's the target. will it happen? i don't know yet. that is a question only the cbo can answer. but i do know from from senate sources that the updated senate draft, just on the health care and the medicaid provisions, it's almost $1 trillion. yes. it's $930 billion to be to be as precise as i can in terms of the level of medicaid cuts that that this bill will impose, if it does become law. and the expectation, i'm told by a senate source, is

that more than 9 million people will lose their insurance coverage as a result of these medicaid and health care cuts. that is what that is, what the cbo, it appears to be nearing in on, in terms of the analysis that they're going to come out with. having said that, it's not really clear to me that any republican senators are waiting on the cbo analysis. >> well, senator josh hawley had made a big stink about the fact that he didn't like how heartless these medicaid cuts were, were before, when the numbers were, i think, 700 trillion, excuse me, $700 billion rather than $1 trillion. so do you have a sense of why he caved here? >> my best sense is that he is a strong supporter of president trump, and does not like to be on the on the opposite side of him on any of these big issues. hawley has tried to cultivate kind of a unique space for himself within the republican party by being, yes, socially and culturally conservative,

very maga aligned in that space, but also being a little more fiscally liberal than most of his party. he's made a real stink about the fact that his party had been pursuing medicaid cuts. he insisted every step of the way no benefit cuts, no benefit cuts, that there shouldn't be coverage losses. and, you know, this bill does impose significant medicaid cuts. it mostly does that through work requirements for able bodied adults and a bunch of new rules that people have to, you know, people have to adhere to. but it also cuts funding to states. it also imposes all these conditions that will impact, you know, coverage and states. so, polly, you know, backing off that position and voting for this bill. anyway, it's very remarkable because one can look at his rhetoric and say, it doesn't exactly it doesn't exactly jibe with what he's been saying now. he also said earlier today to reporters that he wants republicans to do some soul searching on this. he said, quote, if you want to be a working class party, you've got to deliver for working class people. you can't take away healthcare from working people, unquote. and he said, this bill

will do just that. so it is it is a little bit difficult to square. >> well, you wonder. >> what sweeteners. >> are out on the table. >> right now. >> to try to get. everyone at this, you know, at this final hour. >> to code. in what are some of. the cram ins that you've. >> seen that. >> have been put into this bill to. have various senators come on board? >> so let. >> me start with the fact that. >> there probably still will be changes to this bill, presuming that they are able to get the votes to proceed here. there were concerns raised by republicans since the release of this bill, including tim sheehy from montana, who had a, you know, a very brief rebellion that lasted under an hour about the sale of public lands. he does not support it, and he seems to have gotten some assurances that it's going to come out in the final version. so there will be there will be some of those. now, what happened in the in the revised or let's say, in the run up to the revised bill that was

released around midnight last night, a whole bunch of things. they made some changes to the medicaid provider tax provisions, less for policy reasons, but more because the senate parliamentarian said it does not comply with the rules of the chamber. remember, these bills all have to be or these provisions all have to be budgetary in nature. and the parliamentarian ruled that what the republicans were trying to do with that significant medicaid savings provision did not comply. so they made changes to that. they've also made changes to the clean energy cuts in this bill. there were some hard liners in the house, conservative hard liners, including in the house freedom caucus, who demanded that those clean energy cuts be more aggressive, that, you know, that they move a little bit further toward the house's version, and they seem to have gotten at least some of what they want here. and then there's a question of the state and local tax deduction. they changed the house provision of a $40,000 cap. instead of doing that for ten years and making it effectively permanent, they cut that to five years and made it

temporary, which allows them to lower the sticker price of this. so those are the top line. those are the biggest, most salient changes to the bill. but there were a whole bunch of them. and when you talk about sweeteners, there is an understanding that there have been quite, quite a few sweeteners in here for senator murkowski in the realm of, you know, policy provisions that that that could be good for alaska or that she believes would be good for alaska as a way to try to win her vote. >> wasn't there some sort of greater tax deduction for whale boat captains that seems to have been directly targeting her vote? >> something along. >> those lines. >> this was in the air. i don't have it in front of me right now. so i think you probably know more about that than me at this time. but yeah, that is that is part of that is part of the, you know, the package we're talking. >> well. >> can you speak a little bit to how democrats are strategizing around all of this right now? >> yeah. >> a couple of things. democrats have been unified in opposition

to this bill. you know, every now and then a conspiracy theory pops up that senator john fetterman, with his occasional willingness to break with democrats, might end up siding with republicans and voting for this bill. there's been zero evidence of that. none whatsoever. john fetterman is voting with every other democrat against this bill, including the two independents who caucus with democrats. so that's point number one. the second is democrats have a pretty clear and crisp message here on this bill. you know, the party gets a lot of criticism for failing to, you know, press a coherent message or being on different pages. they're actually unified. and i guess crisp on on this one. they've described this bill as essentially a tax cut for the wealthy, paid for by cuts to programs like medicaid and snap that ordinary working class americans use. they're pretty much copying their message. from 2017 and 2018, when republicans unsuccessfully tried to repeal the aca, when they successfully passed the tax cuts and jobs act. that's a message that worked very well for them in 2018, and they're pretty much

trying to use it here because they see enough of the elements being repeated, whether they can actually stop the bill unlikely, whether they can delay the bill, yes they can. we know that chuck schumer, the democratic senate leader, plans to force a reading of this entire bill. if this motion does pass, which means 940 pages will have to be read on the senate floor, it can take about 15 hours, according to some estimates. >> but that will. >> just be bandied about. >> that will just delay things, right? i mean, does that actually make the bill more vulnerable in some way? i can't imagine like a ton of voters are going to be tuning in for 15 hours and listening for details about various provisions of medicaid or snack or clean energy tax cuts that that may be changing. this is a delay tactic, right? >> that's right. this is a delay tactic. democrats do not have the power to scuttle the bill themselves. this takes 50 votes of senators. republicans have 53. democrats cannot block this

bill by themselves. they can slow it down. and part of their theory is that time is not on the side of the bill, because the more this kind of hangs out, the more surveys come out. polling that we've seen on this bill has not been favorable to it. one poll i saw from from fox news found that opposition was significantly higher than support for this bill. and even white men without a college degree, which is the heart of donald trump's base, disapproved of this bill by double digits. that is a staggering finding. i'd never seen that be the case for anything. trump has been, you know, strongly in favor of certainly nothing as strongly as this with that segment of his base is not sold on it. so politically, democrats think they have a winning hand here. but you're correct. a 15 hour delay is not necessarily going to scuttle this bill. they're just trying to use every tool available to them. >> all right. i want you to stay with us because we are getting some information that lisa murkowski voted i in this procedural vote. i'm going to

let you work some contacts if you can get some more information on that. but don't go too far because we do want to continue the conversation with you. i want to bring into this conversation peter baker, chief, white house. yes. so you do have that confirmed as well. so, yes, lisa murkowski voting. yes. as we were just saying there she was one of the four holdouts, along with susan collins and mike lee and others. let's bring in peter baker, the chief white house correspondent for the new york times. obviously, peter, this is a significant development here, not just with lisa murkowski voting yes, but also with the fact that the white house had to deploy j.d. vance here in the event that they did not have the votes to get to the actual vote on the big beautiful bill. do you have any reporting on how closely the white house was watching this, how donald trump personally was involved in any arm twisting over hours? this was supposed to take place at 4 p.m. we are well beyond that right now. >> yeah. >> look, the white house is paying a great deal of attention to it. this is a bill that not

only captures the top legislative priorities for the president, but it is so inimicable to his credibility as a leader right now of his own party. and for him to not be able to push this past this procedural hurdle, even though that's not the final end of this bill, would be a big, big embarrassment for him, especially after a week where he feels like he's been on kind of a high, a little bit of momentum off of the after the iran strike and the supreme court rulings over the last few days. so they're paying a lot of attention to this. but j.d. vance is there to break any tie that comes up. i think they're pushing all these senators and reminding them anybody who doesn't vote for them. you've seen this quote out there, doesn't want to stay in office. that's a very calculated threat on the part of the white house that believes it can punish republicans who don't toe the line. >> peter, i'm curious. we had senator welch on earlier today who talked about how there was a new tax as part of this revised, updated senate bill on solar and

wind projects. do you know anything about that? can you talk us through generally how this legislation would affect the energy sector? >> well, of course. look, you know, one of the things that a lot of republicans have actually been uncomfortable with in this bill is that it has repealed or would repeal a lot of the clean energy incentives that were passed under joe biden. right. and while ideologically, republicans are against that kind of thing, individually they're looking at their own states and their own districts to see what impact it would have. a lot of money goes to a lot of companies in their districts in vermont, and a lot of other places stands to benefit from some of these incentives that this bill would roll back. so i think this sounds like a way of trying to address those concerns on the part of wavering republicans who say, look, you know, we may not be, you know, at a party big on climate control, but there's a lot of economic value to these incentives that we're about to

throw away that would help our states and help our districts. >> there are also subsidies for coal. that's kind of interesting, given that that presumably costs money. they do not. >> seem. >> to be. >> concerned about. >> the. >> cost of the fossil fuels. >> yes. industries part of it. >> peter, is this a real. >> chip in. >> donald trump's armor? you know, like you were saying, he quite a week. and this is not easy for him getting this. you know, his so-called big beautiful bill through this has been quite a fight. and it's been marinating way too long in the public. and as the public becomes more and more aware about what's actually in it, it's more swampy. and it reminds them that trump. >> is. >> part of the establishment. >> well, yeah, that's right. and i think, look, you know, we just talked about the polling. fox news shows 59% of people are against this for different reasons. right? there are those who are against it because

they're concerned about its impact on the poor. that would be a lot of some republicans, but others are against it because they're concerned about the impact on the debt. and so you pull these things together, and there's in a lot of ways more to dislike than like from a point of view of a lot of republicans. but for trump in particular, it's so important because we've seen for months in office, almost five months in office, he has relied almost exclusively on executive power to advance his agenda. right. every other president coming in at the beginning of their term tries to pass some big legislation because they know that's the moment they have the most impact, the most leverage on capitol hill. he has not done that. this is the only thing he has actually tried to pursue legislatively. and so for him to be embarrassed when his own party controls both houses by not being able to get something passed, even if it's a temporary defeat, it's temporary setback. it's something he would make him angry. and i think that's one of the reasons why you see him trying to avoid using congress for a lot of the priorities he has, even though he does have

republicans in control of both houses. >> what? >> well. >> i mean. >> we're going. >> to have to. >> just get some coffee and stick around because it seems like they are hunkering. yes. >> and peter is your guess at this point that it's not looking good. >> well, you know, you don't want to have to be 100 minutes into a 15 minute vote, right? i mean, that's where we seem to be at this point. that's not a sign of strength. remember what trump remembers from his first term? he remembers the vote on repealing and replacing the obama affordable care act. and john mccain came out there in the middle of the night, turned that famous thumbs down, that seared him. that was a searing moment for him. he remembers that he doesn't want to have that happen again here. >> well, it is going to be a long night. stay with us here at msnbc for updates. we're keeping msnbc for updates. we're keeping a close eye on capitol hill. wave hello to zane. he's king of the... ping.

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our 10,005 star reviews. >> it took. >> less than. >> 24 hours. >> for it to all start. >> to fall apart. >> in an address to the nation. >> saturday night. >> president donald. >> trump called u.s. bombing strikes on nuclear sites in iran. >> quote. >> a spectacular military success. iran's key nuclear enrichment. facilities have been completely and totally obliterated. that's what he said. >> completely and totally obliterated. >> not much room for interpretation there. >> and yet. >> less than 24 hours later. >> this was the. >> headline in. >> the new york times, quote, officials concede they don't. >> know the fate of iran's. >> uranium stockpile. so completely and. >> totally obliterating their nuclear capacity, except. >> for all. >> the highly enriched. >> uranium. >> that. >> maybe they still have. >> secretary of state. >> marco rubio. >> then went. >> on tv. >> just after the us bombing to explicitly dismiss any questions

about the nature of america's intelligence on iran and its nuclear. >> program. >> he said those questions were irrelevant. his actual words were, quote, forget about intelligence. at the same time, vice president j.d. vance went on a different tv network to. >> say it. >> was all about the intelligence, quote. >> it. >> was our intelligence that motivated us to act. rubio and vance and defense secretary pete hegseth. >> also. >> spent yesterday insisting to reporters explicitly that the u.s. is definitely not interested in regime change in iran. after all, three of them. made that explicit. then president trump got online to say how much he wants regime change in iran. now, this evening, we get an announcement of an ostensible cease fire between israel and iran. but it is delivered via the president's niche social media platform in one of the president's oddly capitalized and grammatically

challenged posts, which appears to say, or at least imply, that a cease fire will go into effect around midnight eastern time and will maybe last 12 hours. or is it 24 hours? it's literally impossible to parse. but then he says the war will be over. quote. congratulations to everyone. that announcement from president trump was over three hours ago. there has still been no confirmation from israel of any kind. and iran's foreign minister has just moments ago said that as of now, there is no agreement. though in a tweet this hour he appeared to confirm that iran is halting military operations against israel. the chaos coming from the very top of our own government is one of the downsides of having war be one man's decision, no matter who that one man is. that structurally is not the way our country was designed. and some members of the legislative branch are trying to remind us

that not only should it not be this way, it doesn't have to be this way going forward. joining us now is u.s. senator tim kaine, democrat of virginia. one week ago, senator kaine introduced a war powers resolution that would require the president to go to congress to get explicit authorization for any use of military force against iran. a similar resolution has been introduced in the house as well. senator kaine's resolution is expected to get a vote in the senate as soon as a couple of days from now. senator kaine, i really appreciate you being here on this busy night. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> so much. >> glad to. >> rachel. >> it's an. >> important topic. glad to talk to. >> you. about it. >> well, first let me ask you about some of the news that's been breaking over the last hour or hour or two, just to ask if you can update our understanding of it in any way. do you know anything about this ostensible cease fire between israel and iran? as far as we know, there hasn't been any confirmation from israel. they're seemingly contradictory responses from iran. can you advance our understanding of that at all? >> rachel. >> i really can't. i hope that

it's true. i mean, we. >> would all want. >> there to be. >> a cease fire and a. >> de-escalation. but it. >> really underscores the point that. >> you were making in the intro. >> we should not. >> allow war. >> and peace. >> or bombing or cease fire. >> to be. >> based on the whims. >> of any. >> one person. >> this president, or any one person. >> and that's why. >> the framers of the constitution. >> said war should only. >> be. >> declared after a debate and a vote by congress. >> it's just. >> too risky. >> to allow. >> one person, democrat. >> republican. >> wig or federalist. to send our sons. and daughters to war based upon their whim, vibe, or mood of the day. >> and you see, with. >> president trump, it's about the nuclear program. no, it's about regime change. we're going to bomb now. we're going to have a cease fire. >> the intel says iran. >> was on the verge of a nuclear weapon. no, the. >> intel says. >> they were far. >> away from a nuclear weapon. it's been. nothing but mixed messages from these folks. and

that's. >> why a. >> public debate. >> in full view of the american. public by congress with. >> a vote. >> so that everybody. >> can be held. >> accountable, is what we ought to have before we go into war. >> yeah. and the founder i wrote a book about this in 2012, which we talked about at the time. i mean, the founders made this made they made this decision deliberately. they knew it was harder for a group of people to make a decision, a difficult decision about something like war, than it would be for an individual person to make such a decision. and that's explicitly they explained, that is explicitly why they vested that power in the congress. now. now, you introduced a similar iran war powers resolution in 2020, and i note that it got support from seven senators who are republicans, who are still serving as republican senators today. do you expect support from any of those seven or from any other republican senators this time around?

>> rachel, there will be republican support, republicans supporting my war powers resolution. the number is still murky to me because the facts are changing. every day we have a security briefing tomorrow, all senators in. >> classified so that we can ask. >> all of our questions. i think that will be an important factor. and again, this back and forth thing, the president, you know, launching these bomb strikes on. >> saturday, the. >> day after the israeli foreign minister said that their own attacks had set the iranian program back 2 or 3 years at least, and then retaliation today. but the retaliation from iran was calibrated. donald trump and what was. >> one of his. >> most unusual tweets ever, thanked iran for giving us a heads up so we could, you know, manage to reduce or eliminate the risk of casualties. i mean, this thing is changing every second. but i think all of this

backing and forthing, which is frankly kind of terrorizing virginia, we are very pro-military state. i mean, between veterans, active guard, reserve, dod civilians, military family, dod contractors, everybody is connected to the military in virginia, and we don't want to be whipsawed. virginians understand that the two wars in the middle east between 2001 and 2021 were were pretty much disastrous for us, multiple deployments by. >> these families. >> what did we accomplish other than lose lives and lose trillions in resources? we don't want to be in another war. and this backing and forthing are we on? are we off? is it a cease fire we bombing tomorrow? are we negotiating diplomatically, or just doing that as a ruse to trick the iranians to drop their guard so we can drop bombs on them? we do not need to terrorize the american public with this whipsawing of emotions. let's have a reasoned debate in congress and establish

the rules of the game. even my colleagues who want to be at war with iran, they should at least say, but it shouldn't be done without us. we should be able to have that debate in full view, the american public, and justify our positions. >> yeah. if you if you believe that we ought to be at war with iran, the place to make that case is not on, you know, tv or in op eds or in tweets, the place to make that case. if you are an elected official in the congress, is in debate, in a binding, in a binding vote that decides what we do as a country, and that's that. yeah. >> and, rachel, it's interesting that my colleagues who talk tough about iran, they never introduce war authorization against iran. they talk tough trying to cheerlead the president to do something. but they don't introduce resolutions because they know their constituents would look at them and say, what the hell are you thinking? were you not paying attention for the last 20 years? so my hope is that folks will see this unpredictability and decide there's a better way for

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pasadena figured out a way to personally deliver life saving medication to one of the people who's been arrested by trump's immigration agents in his city when he encountered the man's wife crying in the parking lot outside the facility where this man had been taken. he arranged instantly and on the spot to become the legal representative for that man, even though he'd been turned away as mayor from getting into that facility as the man's lawyer, he was allowed in and was thus able to deliver the medication that may have saved that man's life. but pasadena has been the site of a lot of interesting protest and response to what trump's immigration agents have been doing. that protest you just saw here from that local news package, happened after local residents in pasadena discovered that federal immigration agents had checked in in large numbers and were staying at local pasadena hotels. that knowledge set off a whole new, effectively spontaneous and then fast

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staff asked the federal agents to pack up their things and go. and they did. and the resulting celebration outside that hotel was just as loud as the protest had been. but i'll tell you, it had much less cursing. joining us now is mayor victor gordo of pasadena, california. mr. mayor, thank you very much for being with us tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you, rachel, thank you for having me. >> how would you describe the scope of trump's immigration actions inside pasadena and the response of your community? >> well, you know, the first thing that i'd like to point out is we know that there are armed men jumping out of unmarked vehicles wielding high powered weapons at our parks and our community centers and in our neighborhoods. or there were there have been what we don't know is whether, in fact, these are ice or federal agents at all. we don't know that these are operations. and whether we have a completely different situation and dangerous situation in our on our hands,

it's creating a volatile, dangerous situation. our police chief is making every attempt to contact the federal government in los angeles and washington, dc to confirm whether, in fact, these are ice operations. we believe that they are, but we just don't know, and they won't communicate with us. and that can create a very dangerous, dangerous and volatile situation. imagine a police officer being called in response to armed men running through a neighborhood or at a park, or coming upon that situation. we could have a very serious and dangerous situation for the agents themselves, for residents, for kids in the parks, for everyone. and that's unacceptable. >> in terms of these recent protests outside pasadena hotel encouraging agents to leave, they ultimately did leave. did your office, department or any other entity of pasadena city

government have contact with the department of homeland security or the federal government around that protest and that eventuality? when those agents all left? >> no, that's the terrible piece, you know, is there's no communication. there's absolutely no there's certainly no coordination, but there's no communication. and that's the dangerous and volatile situation that's being created in our city. people are living in fear. people are working in fear. people are staying home. you know, there's also that economic impact to our city. so fear is not acceptable. and certainly these what we consider to be violations of due process and creation of dangerous situations are not acceptable. but our businesses i'm getting most calls from businesses saying, can you tell our workers it's okay to come in, you know, their workers who are here lawfully as i am? i'm a former immigrant. i'm mayor of this city. and, you

know, the stigmatization of one people in our in our community throughout the country of latinos and people of latino descent is just wrong. >> victor gordo, the mayor of pasadena, california, one of my favorite places in the great state of california. i've got a lot of family ties there. it's one of my favorite places to visit. it's great town. thank you for talking to us about what's happening there tonight. we look forward to having you back, sir. appreciate it. >> let's be safe and let's express our opinion. known. make it known in the greatest of american ways with our voice. thank you. >> god bless you, mr. mayor. >> god bless you, mr. mayor. we'll b choose advil liqui-gels for faster, stronger and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. whiter looking eyes

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