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>> of the second trump administration. and the president won a major victory today in the courts. the supreme court decided to limit the ability of federal judges to temporarily. block the president's order restricting birthright citizenship nationwide. that means the proposal can likely move forward in 30 days, at least partially, in the states that challenged it, as well as those that did not. in her dissent, judge sonia sotomayor called the ruling, quote, a travesty for the rule of law and an open invitation to bypass the constitution. almost immediately, several groups filed class action lawsuits that could ultimately block the executive order nationwide before it can go into effect. meanwhile, president trump celebrated the decision during a press conference. watch this. >> the supreme court has delivered a monumental victory for the constitution, the separation of powers and the rule of law in striking down the excessive use of nationwide injunctions to interfere with

the normal functioning of the executive branch. >> with that, i want to bring in our nightcap. >> and today. >> it is packed with an all star crew outside the beltway from across the country. former u.s. attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor and hails from alabama. former democratic senator heidi heitkamp of north dakota. she's a cnbc contributor and founder of one country project. john ralston joins us, ceo of the nevada independent and an msnbc political analyst. and my dear friend, art collin, pulitzer prize winning editor of iowa's storm lake times pilot newspaper. he wrote the book storm lake change. >> resilience. >> and hope in america's heartland. all right, joyce, you know we are turning to you first. >> what is your reaction. >> to this ruling? explain the whole thing for us. >> well. >> that's about. >> a semester's. >> worth of work stuff. >> but i'll try to. >> take a bite. >> at it. >> this decision is. not about the subject matter of the case.

it's not about birthright citizenship. it's about an equitable remedy. whether or not a federal judge in one district in the united. states can issue a ruling that binds the united states all across the country. and the supreme court says, no, that's not a remedy that was in place at the founding of the country. our history doesn't support that. so when judges do that, they're overstepping their jurisdiction. and except in very limited circumstances. no more. what they did for purposes of this case was they let the injunction stay in place for the parties who actually sued. but there's utter chaos beyond that. we just don't know what the law will be in different places now. there's been a whole flurry of class action cases. individual people will do will sue. judges may make different decisions in different jurisdictions. and because the gatekeeper for getting this to the supreme court will largely be donald trump solicitor general, he may

just choose not to appeal adverse decisions, leaving this sort of chaos sitting all over the country. but joyce, the. >> supreme court. >> still hasn't taken up the merits of whether trump's birthright citizenship order is constitutional. so how does today's decision impact that? right? >> i mean. >> that's a great question. we just don't know for sure. there's a separate concurrence. >> by. >> justice kavanaugh. he suggests that that issue will be before the court very quickly, but someone has to bring it to them. and presumably that would have to be donald trump's justice department if they lose a case, and they may well just choose not to appeal those cases, which would mean that there would never be a decision from the supreme court. you know, maybe they will. maybe they'll feel honor bound to do that. but i'm not holding my breath. >> okay. but here's. >> my head scratcher, joyce, because conservative justice amy. >> coney barrett. >> said that of course,

presidents have to follow. >> the law. >> but that courts can't make them follow the law. isn't that the point of the judiciary to make them. >> do just that? you know. >> it is. the presumption in our system is that presidents or people of good faith and they will follow the law, and that they will follow. court orders. and that is always been the assumption that has animated our system for almost 250 years. it feels a little bit naive for her to say that. on the other hand, she's putting it forward in a context that permits her to make this argument about jurisdiction and to say, well, you know, the lower courts may have believed that the executive order was wrong, but they don't have the jurisdiction to fashion this nationwide remedy. they can only fashion a remedy for the parties that are in front of them. and we expect the executive branch will follow those orders. so

it's the context is a little bit skewed. heidi. the supreme court appears way out of sync with the lower courts. since may, federal judges have ruled against the trump administration 94% of the time. but the supreme court has backed the administration 94% of the time. should democrats actually think about making supreme court reform an actual. >> campaign. >> issue for them? >> i think ever since the dobbs decision. >> it has. >> been on the ballot. the supreme court is on the ballot. but i think what's important is they in most of those cases you're talking about stephanie, they didn't rule on the merits. they're taking procedural steps to throw the president a bone by basically saying, oh, no, we're not going to enjoin you. we're not going to restrict you right now. it's not a case on the merits. we're going to restrict the district court. and what everybody, all the conservatives out there who are jumping up and down. i remember when district court said that biden could not give student loan relief. those

applied nationwide. >> guess what? >> what happens when democrat or when a liberal is in the white house and all of a sudden those rulings get turned around. and so, you know, this is when you when you when you deal with these kinds of issues, you always have to think, what if the shoe were on the other foot and you would see a decision or an executive order by a president that you didn't like as a conservative, and you would have to sue in every jurisdiction to stop it. and i agree with joyce. this is just going to be chaos out there. and it really puts the department of justice, who none of us should trust on the rule of law in the catbird seat, to kind of direct what's happening. one thing i guess i'd ask joyce, is this whole nonsense about if you file a class action, maybe then it would apply nationwide. i mean, that just seems to be an incredible amount of confusion thrown into the mix here. >> joyce. you know, it's

incredible. we actually have seen people file class actions today that lets them bring larger groups of people in front of the court to be bound. but of course, that presumes that people have access to a lawyer and maybe have some financial wherewithal to get into court. and the point of these nationwide injunctions was that when we were talking about fundamental rights like citizenship, they allowed the courts in a very efficient manner to ensure that the same rights applied to everyone. class actions are great. we'll see lawyers aggressively use them, but it's not the perfect remedy that's needed in a case like this with a president who's trying to deny fundamental rights. you know, this ruling will not just apply to the birthright citizenship cases, it will apply in other situations. heidi, you talked about in biden the school loans case. there are a number of cases currently pending where there are nationwide injunctions, and this will apply to all of them. john, let's go back to the point heidi

was making. republicans now have to sit with this, live with this, that when a democrat is in power, they'll be able to do the same thing. they know that in theory, but but in living. >> in a world. >> of donald trump, do they have no choice but to support extreme short termism and do what trump wants now and not worry about the consequences later? >> well, that. >> has been the attitude of politicians since. >> time immemorial, right? just not. >> not thinking the long term and. >> just react in the short term. >> stephanie and i'll. >> leave the legal analysis to joyce vance, although i think her utter chaos. >> could. >> be the title. >> of a book about trump. >> first 159 days. in general. right. >> here's here's the situation. even though that decision. >> is not on. >> the merits. >> that is not. >> how people. >> are going. >> to think about it, because this issue. >> is so polarizing and so important. >> and seems. >> birthright citizenship seems so embedded in in this.

>> country's history. >> and has been going on for so long and this and that. trump's executive order seems to flout that. constitutional language here in nevada. stephanie, if i can be parochial for a moment. >> we have. >> the largest. >> percentage of mixed families. >> in the country. people here are. >> really worried about this. our attorney general. >> was part of that. >> lawsuit against. >> the trump administration. >> you can make a pretty cogent argument. i think, again, i'm not a legal expert, that maybe these kinds of orders shouldn't apply nationwide. >> but this issue. >> of birthright citizenship is fundamental to the. >> core of, of. >> of the constitution and what this country is all about. and i think that's all that people are. going to think about then. >> do you think this move on the president's part? it certainly in his early ethos, it's what stephen miller wants. do you think it could ultimately, john, blow up in his face with voters in states like yours? >> i do think that it's, you

know, it's easy to do the insta punditry and we can look at what's going on in social media and try to close our eyes and not have to see that anymore. right. >> but the long term impacts of this. politically could be damaging to, to. >> republicans. because this. >> is going to be the issue in. >> a lot of states in 2026, i would guess. and don't forget, some of the key swing states, including i must mention stephanie nevada. >> this this is. >> going to be an important issue, perhaps in 2028. depending on how long it goes. people aren't going to forget about this, because i do think it's so fundamental to what this country is all about. >> john, i think your next book should be titled. >> i must mention nevada. it's kind of your signature. >> all right. >> joyce, new topic. governor gavin newsom of california, he is suing fox news for defamation for $787 million that he didn't pull that number out of the sky. >> that is the. >> same amount fox agreed to pay

dominion voting systems after falsely claiming that the company rigged the 2020 election. how legit is this suit? is he is he trolling them or is this a. legitimate lawsuit? you know, i think it's possible that both of those things could be true stuff. he's filed this case in delaware, so he's taken it to fox where they live. right. it was a delaware jury that awarded that very large verdict in the earlier case. so this is a straight up defamation claim. his lawyers have added in a california law claim as well. we'll see how that holds up in state court in delaware. but there's every reason to believe that they are serious about this one. and i suppose it's possible that this can be both a publicity stunt and a valid lawsuit at the same time. >> heidi. >> do you think newsom is making too much of this, or should other democrats follow his lead? how will this be viewed?

>> you know, stephanie, i'm more concerned about. the fact that gavin newsom has a specific label and he is a public official. and as a public official, a lot of times you just have to take it. i mean, you're you've got a bully pulpit, you push back, you tell the truth. and so i think when we're talking about the new york times versus sullivan decision, you know, it it is hanging by a thread right now. i think there's a lot of people who think that this court might overturn it. and i don't think we should be poking the bear. i, i'm not a big fan of this lawsuit. i think that we when you are a politician and you stand for election, you have a responsibility to just kind of take it and use the bully pulpit to correct the record. so he's different than the voting machine case. art gavin. >> newsom is. >> certainly no. >> friend to. donald trump, and california is at the center of the controversy over these immigration raids. one of the reasons i wanted you to join us

tonight is the last time you joined us. you said, despite the fact that iowa, where you're from, storm lake has a huge immigrant community because of the meat processing plants, there weren't any major raids yet. and if they. wanted to do that, if they wanted to really go for the low hanging fruit, they probably could. but given how your state is, given how powerful many of those meat companies are within the republican party and the kind of lobbying efforts they have, you weren't seeing many raids, at least not a month or two ago. how about now? >> well. >> there was one raid. >> in omaha. >> of a small. independent meatpacking. >> plant, omaha. >> nebraska, of. >> a small independent. >> meatpacking plant. >> i'm not. >> aware of any raids at any. tyson or. >> smithfield or jbs facilities anywhere. >> in the country. >> and it's there's an. >> unspoken waiver. on meatpacking plants. >> and trump. >> actually at one. point said. >> that he was going to exempt.

>> meatpacking and. >> hotel people at. >> his hotels, of course. >> and but still. >> the people in. >> storm lake are terrified. >> i was. >> talking with. >> a meatpacking. >> plant manager. >> just last week, and. >> he said that people with legal papers, people who are. >> born. >> in the united. >> states. >> even are. >> scared to death. >> of being deported. >> so are they changing their behavior? are they not going to work? what's happening? >> downtown is dead. you don't see any latinos out eating at mexican. >> restaurants. >> for example. >> asians, mainly. >> from laos. >> feel more. >> comfortable than latinos do. >> but yeah. >> retail trade is drying up because. >> of this. and they're scared. >> they're showing up for work. >> but a lot of them are. >> are calling. >> in sick. and they're. >> scared to go to work.

>> wow. >> all right heidi, new topic. the gop spending bill. the senate parliamentarian has cut even more provisions, including private school vouchers and deregulation of gun silencers and concealable guns. it seems like every time she makes a ruling, people discover new things in this thing that they do not like. >> i tell you, i was reading the list of decisions that poor elizabeth has had to make under the byrd rule, as we call it the birdbath. she is an amazing public servant and one of the most honorable people i met when i was in the senate. and so we should all be thrilled that someone of her caliber and her nonpartisan bent is actually making these decisions. and in the good news category, stephanie, at least for now, senator thune, the majority leader, has basically said he's going to honor her decisions. they're they're in the back room

trying to rewrite it to fit it within the birdbath. but there is a whole lot of really bad stuff coming out of this bill. but for debt and deficit, the decision she's making are devastating because it is dramatically increasing the actual cost, and we are going to be borrowing money like crazy. and you know what that means for the bond markets. and you know what that means for interest rates. and so, you know, this is kind of a double edged sword for the republicans. the more she talks, the more expensive the bill gets. >> devastating. john, there's something else in this bill that i know is going to impact your state, nevada. the senate parliamentarian also blocked mike lee's proposed public lands sale. tell us about this, because you've got a lot of public lands in nevada. >> yeah, stephanie, 87% of the land in nevada is owned by the federal government. and it has been a big issue in this state about whether we should make the. >> the bureau. >> of land management more amenable to selling off some of

these lands, because affordable housing is a huge issue here as well. and mark amodei, who's the only republican congressman. from nevada, has been working on this. and then mike lee comes in and tries to do this. and suddenly nevada's best friends are guys like ryan zinke, which who would have guessed that try and trying to push back against this. but this is a huge public policy issue about when these lands should be sold off and when they shouldn't. and by the way, if i may, stephanie, that that parliamentarian that heidi hancock. referred to was appointed by a guy named harry reid, and there was an effort now to smear her because harry reid is a democrat. i forget which state he was from, stephanie, but he. he appointed as if this as if that should be an issue. when she's a very well respected public servant. and i, i think i'm glad to hear heidi heitkamp say what she said about her. others should be stepping up to defend her, because that's a very important function in the

senate. someone has to be the nonpartisan arbiter of what is germane and what isn't. >> art polls continue to show how deeply unpopular this bill is for the stuff that's in it, and that's not even touching what it's going to do to the debt and deficit, which will be crushing to the american people. you are in the reddest of red states. and you've said to me before, nothing could change that. what about when a bill like this passes and it actually hurts the people of iowa? how will they take it? >> well, first you're. >> going to. >> have to. >> close more. >> rural hospitals. >> we've been watching. >> nursing homes. >> and hospitals closed. >> for the last. >> few years. >> in iowa. >> because of low. medicaid reimbursement. >> already. >> and it's only going to get worse. and so. >> we're going to have to actually close some hospitals. >> for people to feel the. pain because they're saying. >> okay, i'll drive to des. moines three hours from storm lake.

>> to seek care. >> if my hospital. >> closes. >> and it's all in. >> the abstract. so once. >> once they there, they're going. >> to. >> close hospitals. >> and they've closed nursing. >> homes already. >> but people. >> think, oh, that's. >> just, you. >> know. a we've got to put up with. >> it because. >> you know, we're doing our part. >> to keep costs down. for medicaid. >> so they can get. >> $1 trillion. >> tax cut. >> it's wrong. >> it's immoral. >> and we call. >> ourselves christian mainly in iowa. >> and we're throwing elderly people. >> under the. >> bus and. >> poor people. >> and i don't see what's christian about it. >> and the republican. >> governor is. >> going to say this is a okay, and she won't put and they're not going to push back on it because it's the republicans who proposed it. >> she's already closed down 20 nursing, more than. >> 20 nursing homes in rural. >> areas in. >> iowa on a medicaid reform, where she handed. >> the keys. to the. >> bus over to the insurance industry.

>> so they could. >> ratchet down costs. >> and they've closed. >> three nursing. >> homes within. 12 miles of storm lake in the last five years. where do. >> those people go? >> well, they're staying at home or they're staying with their kids. you know, who might be 70 years old. >> if you're 90. >> and it's. just crazy. >> what's going on. >> out here. and. >> you know. >> i've had some health issues myself. and i've got medicare because i'm 68 and i'm smart. i have a. college degree and i know. >> how to navigate. >> these things. but when. >> you're. >> on medicaid, you're a single. >> mother trying to get. your kids asthma. >> treated because you live too. >> close to. >> a hog confinement. >> facility, and they're. telling you. >> tough luck. i don't know. how you could cope with it. >> because i've. >> been having. >> a. >> hard time coping with. >> with my. >> own fairly mundane health issues. >> and i'm on medicare.

>> it's. >> just. >> wrong on. >> every level. >> all right. everyone is sticking around. but joyce, thank you for. starting us off tonight. we appreciate it. later in the show, the president moves the goalpost again. why? the threat of a july trade deadline might. >> not be so. >> imminent anymore. but first, right after the break, nearly a week after americans america's strike on iran, congress finally gets a briefing. and it's only raising more questions. our raising more questions. our nightcap here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! mike had a heart attack a year ago. but he's still.. so, here's to now... living in the red. with a very high risk of another attack. with his risk factors his recommended ldl-c level should be below 55. are you at risk? learn how to get a free ldl-c test at attackheartdisease.com. sara benzino...

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>> are you concerned at all about. >> secret nuclear sites. >> in iran? can you. >> talk about. >> maybe just. >> secret nuclear sites? >> yes, there might be some. >> can i tell you they're exhausted? the last thing they're thinking about right now is no clear. they're thinking about tomorrow, trying to live in such a mess. it's such a mess. the place was bombed to hell. >> we continue to follow the aftermath of the. israel-iran conflict. both chambers of congress have now received classified briefings on the u.s. strike on iran's nuclear facilities. but questions about the extent of the damage remain. the nightcap is still here. heidi, you are a former senator. what did you think about the delayed briefings? it's totally understandable to not know the extent of the damage yet, given what we did. but it's extraordinary the misinformation, the conflict and the just the lack of information

out there. >> when you go into that room, which is the secret room that they have over in the visitor center, when you go in that room, you expect the truth. and i'm not sure as as best someone can tell, and i'm not sure they really know what the truth is or what the extent of the damage that was done to this program is. but, you know, for two week, he telegraphed, oh, we're going to get you we're going to bomb you. that gave them plenty of time to move whatever they needed to move. and i think there's some evidence that there was movement. and so i don't think, you know, but but to just cavalierly say this is what happened. he doesn't know what happened. this is all publicity. and he's like a salesman who's selling things that don't actually exist. and at some point it's got to come home to roost. and this is important enough issue for the american public and for congress in particular, to be told the truth as best they know. and i think the president keeps spreading

misinformation. >> the president is insisting that iran's nuclear program was obliterated. and all week long, he and other white house officials, cabinet members are attacking journalists for reporting on the early u.s. intel report. what do people in your community. how does all of this impact them? what are they listening to? because they certainly listen to this president. >> well, i think. >> it. >> really. >> they watch another channel. >> sorry, art. >> yeah. >> they watch another channel. same in north dakota. >> it's called fox. >> i'm sorry. >> to say. >> and they. >> think that that this was a great idea and, and i, i tend to agree that i like the. idea of the ayatollah sitting in a. >> bunker. >> scared. >> scared to death. >> and i wish the same were true. >> of netanyahu. >> they're all wrong. we're all

wrong. and we just keep going. >> this way. but i think people would like the idea of. in in were the people i know. >> if you turned. >> iran into. >> a sheet. >> of glass, it. >> wouldn't bother them. seriously. >> john, lots of folks across the political spectrum support the idea and support that the strikes took place. but now what we're seeing is high ranking members of the trump administration jump to the president's aid to back his argument up on on the fact that we obliterated everything. how does all of this impact people's trust in the government, not their trust in how they feel about the strikes on iran, their trust in the government, of how the administration is managing the information around it? >> well, you know, trump has kind of exaggerated all the usual things that you see from politicians and from presidents. stephanie, all politicians want to be seen in the best possible

light, and so they may distort or even lie. and this is especially true of presidents. but why? why does trump. who has lied so much more than any recent public official, deserve the benefit of the doubt on any of this? and as heidi heitkamp said, he has no idea what was obliterated and what wasn't. and it's reasonable to wait a while to see what exactly the long term intelligence finds here. but this is a difficult needle to thread, i think, for some elected officials. for instance, in nevada, jacky rosen, who was one of the strongest supporters of israel you will ever find, she used to be the head of the synagogue, as you probably know, wanted to support the strikes. and she did. but she then diverts to congress, should have been consulted, and she voted to advance tim kaine's war powers resolution today. and so i think that they're all obviously very wary of this administration, and

it's in its lack of truth telling on so many different fronts and the circling of the wagons. now to make trump look good, that i think it just increases that skepticism. >> that war powers resolution was rejected tonight. heidi, republican senators are proposing slashing the size of the intel office that's led by tulsi gabbard, senator tom cotton. he's the one leading the effort. says this has been in the works for months. but gabbard has very publicly recently fallen out of favor with the president. so what's your take on this? >> the take is this is hardly the time, given how dangerous the world is, to get rid of professionals. and i think that this isn't so much a cost cutting effect as it is. let's get rid of people who actually know the truth, who will tell the truth, who will speak truth to power. and i think they only want people who are going to give them the information that they deem factual. and this is really dangerous. i think also,

tulsi, to her credit, has been, you know, somebody who has been adamant about stopping forever wars. she's somebody who testified saying she didn't think that a nuclear weapon was imminent. and i imagine that when you don't when you aren't following what your leader says, if you're not walking the walk with the president, you get out of favor and we cut your budget and we cut your professionals. and this is really dangerous during a really dangerous time in the world. >> in the wake of this crisis. tom nichols wrote something this week that really stuck out to me, and he wrote, the president is the sole person who can order the use of american nuclear weapons, and voters are the fail safe because they choose who becomes that president. john, do any voters think about that responsibility when they're actually going to vote? >> i doubt many of them do. most of them are thinking about the concerns that are right in front

of them. kitchen table issues, as it were. but stephanie, let's step back for a second here and talk about can i talk about tulsi gabbard for a second? you she's the director of national intelligence. and she went before congress and talked about how she didn't think iran was close to getting a nuclear weapon. and then a couple months later, trump is orders this strike. and then when asked about this, i don't care what she said in any other time in the history of this country, this would be a massive scandal. she would be fired or something would happen. and yet we just accept it as, oh, this is just this administration. and she didn't make trump look good. so he's angry. this is this is, frankly, to me as a journalist who has covered politics for 40 years. astonishing. >> stephanie, i want to point out that in the in the first trump administration, general

mattis, who then was secretary of defense, put some additional safeguards into how how much power the president had independently. and i think he was equally concerned at the time, and it was well reported that there were some additional safeguards put into effect. so this isn't a new problem. the problem that we have right now is general mattis is not the secretary of defense. someone who is a apologist for this administration is the secretary of defense. and that should worry everyone. >> it should worry everyone, but no one should be surprised. heidi, we knew all of this going in during the transition. howard lutnick made it clear anyone looking to join this administration, their number one qualification, the number one job requirement is loyalty to the president. if you did not think that was going to be donald trump 2.0, shame on you. nobody is going anywhere. when we return, one trade deal advances as another comes undone, and all of it has.

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are a brand the united states, the predictability of the united states, the friendship of the united states. and he basically erodes away that goodwill every day. but i don't think this is unexpected in canada. i think they've seen this before, and i think they're going to do their own little workaround. and at the end of the day, you know, and i know that if you take energy out, we have a positive a trade relationship with canada. and if you put services in we're winning with canada. but the president will never acknowledge that. >> do you think. >> it's personal. >> for president trump and canada because mark carney is so well liked by the business community, because he is harvard educated. he's all the things that president trump isn't. and when they met at the white house, mark carney was playing no games, didn't bend the knee. and when president, the president said, maybe we'll make. canada another state, he said, no, we absolutely will never do that. so do you think the president is trying to stick it to him, heidi? >> well. >> i think i think absolutely he

is. you know, if you go back and you take if you if stephanie, if you look at why carney got elected because the liberals were, were basically going to be obliterated in this election, carney got elected because trump put canadian sovereignty on the ballot. and carney cannot politically risk, you know, blinking as it relates to donald trump. and so carney was created by donald trump, and now he's his worst nightmare because he's got the chops, the economic chops to actually do what he says he's going to do, which is divest in a big way away from the united states. >> the u.s. does a lot of business with canada. you and i have talked about the impact the trade war has on farmers in your state. how does this development with canada fit into this? >> well, i think. >> we should. >> point out that one of the biggest imports. >> into iowa and north dakota is

natural. gas that's used. for to make fertilizer, anhydrous ammonia, nitrogen. >> and you need nitrogen to. >> grow wheat or corn. >> and so. >> corn costs. are going to. go up. >> which means. >> beef costs are. >> going to. >> go up. and pork. >> and. >> chickens and eggs are going to go up. >> if you can't get nitrogen. and if we can't get corn grown, we also we rely on canada for a huge. percentage of our potash, which. >> is also a vital, vital. fertilizer component. >> and i'm. >> not sure. >> if it's. >> tuesday. >> if it's wednesday, if it's thursday, what the status of natural gas and. >> potash are. >> at one time we got an exemption. >> for potash, but i'm not sure if. >> that. still exists as. >> of today. and it changes my real concern. yeah. >> it changes every day. >> and so farmers. just like everybody. >> else, would like some

certainty. >> markets are sliding sideways. >> ag markets, commodity. >> markets. >> corn and beans were up today. >> maybe they're. >> down tomorrow. based on this news. >> that he's getting into another. >> fight with canada. i haven't. >> checked in the. >> last couple hours, but. >> it's just a. >> roller coaster ride. and we've already. >> lost our soybean. >> market with. >> china to brazil. >> that was in the last. >> trade war that he started. and so everybody's. >> just. >> holding on to their. >> jock strap wondering what's next. >> john, do you think. >> there's any chance the president just finds a way to walk away from all this? right. he's now announced a trade deal with china, but the trade deal, he announced is basically an agreement of the framework that was discussed in geneva back in may. so all this back and forth, nothing's even changed over the last two months. we're not talking about any real developments. is there any chance trump says this didn't work and moved on? because people are certainly looking at other things at this point? >> well, one thing i can assure

you, stephanie, is he will never say the words, this didn't work or i was wrong. whatever he does, he will declare victory. and whether it can be put on paper or not, he will say that he won. there has been enough criticism. just like i'm not a lawyer. i'm not an economist. stephanie, you know more about this stuff than i do. but no one who knows anything about this thinks that the tariffs are a good idea in the first place. i can tell you. i can tell you our talks about the business that iowa does with canada. you know, canada makes up about 30% of the international visitors to las vegas, to nevada. and now those numbers are going down. we just had the figures come out. the gaming revenue here is down. passengers through the airport here are down. this is having an effect here in nevada. and you know better than anybody, stephanie. we're a one trick pony. this is going to end up hurting the economy. and in 2026, governor joe lombardo, who is a republican who has tried to

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