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president on why u.s. troops in combat conditions in iraq aren't described technically as on a combat mission now, and what the u.s. plans to do in iraq before we leave there. >> nothing easy about it. but we're bringing those kids home, including my son. >> more of my exclusive interview with vice president joe biden tomorrow night. "countdown" with keith olbermann starts right now. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? the 3,450 votes that changed the american political landscape? >> the united, we the people, can win back our country. >> the tea party triumph in delaware eclipsed as the republican party comes apart at the seams. its senate election committee will only do the bare minimum
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for her. >> how does she make her living? why did she mislead voters about her college education? >> i interviewed her, and i felt her explanations were far more plausible -- >> did you ask her about the people who were following her home to her headquarters and how she's checked each night in the bushes? >> everything he's saying is unfactual. >> what's going on? why is he so mad at a republican? >> and who leads those republicans tonight? another claimant steps forward. >> this 10% is going to be the shelter for the other 90%. this 10% is going to -- out of this 10% will be the leaders of tomorrow. >> and the democrats celebrating the schism, nervously, while the president tries to seize the moment and become the tax cut man. >> the tax debate is good for the democrats. >> a sarah palin clone is nominated in delaware with dave weigel on the mad excitement of the tea party.
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chris kobinis on the practicality of electing somebody who only got 5% of all registered voters last night. the play by play of the rove rave. ezra klein on the democrats practical response on taxes. the incredible whiteness of being in a backlash doomed at its birth by the demographics of an ever more worse america. all that and commentary now on "countdown." good evening from new york, she won with the votes of only 16% of all registered republicans in delaware. her nomination may assure that the gop does not regain the senate. but the marginalization of christine o'donnell ends there. in our fifth story, she is the eighth tea-party backed candidate to defeat an established republican in this primary season.
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so the vampire that the gop created in its basement is settling in its living room. and the house that might go to republicans in november could be far less beholden to boehner than michele bachmann. meet the brand new republican nominee for the senate who has so-called republican strategists in 2008 instead of then presidential candidate barack obama saying "he's so liberal that he's anti-american." that christine o'donnell. now defeated mike castle 53% to 47% for the senate seat formally occupied by vice president joe biden. but only 1/3 of delaware's registered republicans voted. which means that o'donnell's nearly 30,000 votes represent only 16% of delaware's registered republicans. and only 5% of all registered voters in the state. congressman castle would've done better in the general election according to a new survey from the democratic polling organization public policy polling. in a hypothetical match-up, castle led the democratic senate nominee chris koonz. but koonz leads o'donnell by double-digits.
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and senior aide to castle tells politico, he will not be endorsing o'donnell. and while one poll does not an election make, noticed this from the same survey, unfavorable ratings already at 50% in delaware, not leaving her much room to grow. no matter to the victor who today thumbed her nose at the republican establishment. >> they never thought that i can win this race. and i believe that we can win without them. this is about giving the political power back to we, the people. and we proved the so-called experts wrong. so i think a few of them perhaps may have their pride hurt this morning. but, you know, i didn't count on the establishment to win the primary, i'm not counting on them to win the general. i'm counting on the voters of delaware. >> if you're wondering what happened to palin red, o'donnell is wearing blue today, palin wore blue today. simplified the about cristy page and why cristy page gone today as progress notes the website may be reinvented to soften up
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the candidate like sharron angle did shortly after her victory. meantime, the national senatorial committee has today tossed out his congratulations. cornyn had called o'donnell's chances of beating a democrat a serious issue. today his statement reads in part, i reached out to christine this morning and i offered her my congratulations and let her know that she has our support. this support includes a check for $42,000. the maximum allowable donation that we have provided to all of our nominees. $42,000. the tea party express spent $300,000 in advertising for the o'donnell primary run. in new hampshire, the more establishment gop candidate there eked out a victory for the senate nomination. the northern new york republican gubernatorial nominee carl paladino. the tea party candidate infamous for forwarding e-mails full of racist jokes and beastiality,
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rick lazio. he has not looked so irrelevant since he lost to hillary clinton for the senate. finally a footnote to the possible narrative that tea party candidates would crush their democratic opponents or the other narrative that the extremism of those tea party candidates will assure victory for the democrats. 47% of registered voters nationwide still do not have an opinion about the tea party movement. 29% view it unfavorably, 23% view it favorably according to that cbs news/new york times survey. let's bring in the political reporter dave weigel. good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> we'll broaden this out to the new and devolved republican party in a bit. do democrats need to worry about losing that senate seat in delaware? if so, more than they did 24 hours ago? less? where does it stand? >> much, much less. they hoped this would happen. but they didn't think it could happen. i'm from delaware originally. and mike castle is about as
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essential to delaware as expensive tolls and scrapple. he's never lost an election until now. he's been winning since lbj was president. no one thought this could happen. and their reality, and i think the republicans' reality if you read between the lines of these statements is that the election's over. and she is going to, i think, play clips like what i said back, maybe in youtubes -- sorry to prove that she can do this after all and then we all wrote her out. >> the $42,000 donation from senator cornyn and the republican senatorial election committee, that doesn't seem like that's the maximum that they provide to the other candidates. what's he saying there? >> no, they are doing the pro forma activity they do for candidates. and they were not going to last night. last night they were very clear in saying we are done with her. you know, off the record, we're done with her. on the record, we're done with her. and they were goaded by the base and the base was people like rush limbaugh, people with blogs
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like michele bachmann viciously goaded into doing this. and with reason. because their attitude is, we won, suck it up. we sucked it up and supported john mccain when he ran for president, you support this person we decided was our favorite candidate in the world two weeks ago. you didn't hear much about her -- she's a talented candidate. i spent some time with her on the trail. she's a good pundit turn candidate. but the speed with which they fell in love with her and demanded the establishment falls in love with her says a lot about the pace of the election this year. >> obviously she had sarah palin behind her, jim demint behind her, but not senator cornyn, not karl rove, something we'll be exploring in full and goree detail later. and not dick armey's freedom works. is o'donnell and what happened is this the classic example of the sort of puric victory that the tea party is causing republican party to endure?
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it's like, oh great, you got a nominee and you've already declared her, you know, doa. >> well, a tea partier would say that new york 23 was supposed to be the puric victory. and that is the victory that got people like john cornyn, the chairman of the nrfc to stay out of primaries. if they'd been more muscular in some of these primaries, they probably would've saved lisa murkowski, not sure if it would have saved castle, probably. they met with her before her primary and hinted she should start spending money, but they didn't swing elbows the way they did, for example, when lincoln chaffey was in trouble or the way arlen specter was in trouble against pat toomey. they got scared out of this. and now, if they're serious about this, this was the nightmare scenario. taking delaware was one of the four easiest elections they had. and now it's not easy. it's not something they're going to spend money on. so this was, you know, for the movement, this is -- people who
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decide like jim demint decides, it's better to lose a clean fight than elect a moderate. they won and the establishment lost. >> and what does the gop do now? obviously there are a pack of primaries to go through yet. do they pander now to the people who -- who were successful? do they go even further to the extremes just to make sure the tea party people show up on election day? >> well, there's not much room to do that. they don't have to do a lot of that. i mean, none of these camps would be electable at all -- rand paul wouldn't be electable at all if the economy was good. the economy's not good. so the message every single day is you were only talking about this mtv video christine o'donnell was in or the story about a frat or secret society whatever sounds better, that rand paul was in. you're only talking about that because the economy's bad. and that's going to get them very, very close to the finish line. christine o'donnell ran for senate against joe biden when everyone knew it was done. it was a fluke election and she was destroyed.
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she lost every county. she's going to do better than that this year because the economy's bad. that is what -- it's -- the election is going to take a little bit more reporting than that, it's not quite that boring. that's what it's about. republicans having to spend a little more time than they would like -- i'd say making their candidates more generic. we talk of the generic republican. the problem they have. these are the least generic republicans of all time and they have to make them electable. >> dave weigel, thank you. >> thank you. and the democratic strategy in the wake of all of this. here's democratic strategist chris cofinis. chris, good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> a strong democratic turnout is far from certain. thus the tea party candidates have to be taken very seriously, even christine o'donnell? >> i would not discount any candidate. one of the most, i think, you know, frustrating factors in this election so far, you know, the context and the economy may be bad, but what is really
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making margins in some of these races where they are, there's a clear enthusiasm gap. democrats for whatever reason, some may be frustrated they didn't get everything what they want in terms of progressive agenda. some may be frustrated with the economy or something else. they're not enthused. and i think democrats need to have a wake-up call. the choice in this election in particular in some of these races couldn't be more stark and scary. you're talking about a growing wing of the republican party that is downright extreme and dangerous in terms of what they want to propose and pursue in terms of policy. and if democrats can't get excited about the fact or energized about the fact that we have to stop that, then i'm not sure what's going to energize them. and i think that is the stark choice that we face in november. it's not a question about stopping a mainstream moderate republican. this is a right wing -- extreme right wing dangerous element that wants to take this country in a very scary place. >> if the republicans retake the
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house, who's in charge? is it john boehner. everybody makes jokes about speaker of the house boehner, but could it be speaker of the house bachman? >> i don't think even the republicans would know who is in charge. here's what the tea party has done and i think what's the frightening element for the republican party. it is not just that they've clearly had an impact in these primaries and taken out some of these establishment candidates from utah to alaska, or wherever it may be. they have now paralyzed the establishment republicans who are afraid if they don't what the tea party wants, they're going to be tea party next. they become the boogyman for the republican party. so i'm not sure that anyone is going to be in charge. because boehner if he happens to become speaker, and i don't think he will, but if he does, he is going to be paralyzed in terms of negotiating making deals. from the legislative perspective, what will happen if the republican wing -- the tea party wing takes over is going to be just paralysis on capitol hill. >> can the democrats get the
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mileage out of this that one would think when somebody goes ultra-extremist in this country. at any time in history, that party that has gone ultra-extremist has destroyed itself, the republicans in 1964, perfect example of that. the wigs in the 1850s, the historical example of that. is there enough of the democrats to turn it around at this point by saying just sort of pointing at sharron angle, rand paul, and running on the prospect of obama tax cuts for the middle class. is that enough? >> in terms of november, i think you have to do two things. i think you have to paint a very stark contrast between these two parties. and i think in painting that in terms of the negative side is clearly framing these republicans that would get in as an extreme dangerous element. i think we have to go out there another part is make a very strong case in terms that we made not only the tough decisions, but the right decisions. i think if we can do that successfully over the next five plus weeks, we can minimize the losses. the republican party's problem is they now are a prisoner to this tea party faction.
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and when you're looking and thinking ahead in terms of 2012, i mean, can you just imagine what is going to happen in the republican primaries when sarah palin and the other tea party candidates fight in terms of who is -- who is the most extreme? i think this is where we have to think of both in the short-term and the long-term in terms of painting this narrative and going out there and doing a strong case, enthusing our base, but also making the case to moderate independents that we are the ones with common sense solutions. it's not republicans. >> the 2012 republican debates are one of the things that keep me going. democratic strategist chris kofinis as always, a pleasure. thank you, chris. >> thank you, keith. o'donnell's surprise victory was only the warm-up for a bigger surprise and a lot more fun. karl rove promptly savaged her on fox while sean hannity's head spun a full 360 degrees. the half governor has just tweeted pleading for conservative focus.
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i thought ms. o'donnell didn't like that. gop cannibalism next.
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everyone knows a fee is a tax. you raised some taxes during that period, particularly the property tax as well as a lot of fee increases. as you know, there's a big difference between fees and taxes. but...they're the same. it's a tax. it's a tax. it's a tax. it's a tax. there's a big difference between fees and taxes. fees and taxes are one in the same. if it comes out of my pocket, it's a tax. now he says it isn't true. we didn't raise taxes. what? still doing the same thing, paying out more money. typical politician. definitely.
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karl rove will not go gently into the tea party night. the man they all worship is studly on the s list. rove versus o'donnell again, and palin's pleading tweet. the democrats are largely sitting back and watching, but not the president. he has today attacked the republicans for blocking his tax cuts. times are tough, but these two men are willing to stick out their necks to protect the poor and downtrodden of our nation. you know, their fellow pasty white guys and the suffering tea party that protects them. fire then fired. and for once, the first amendment really does apply. why you and i must defend this koran burner. ahead in worsts. financing their fleet, sharing our expertise, and working with people who are changing the face of business in america. after 25 years in the aviation business, i kind of feel like if you're not having fun at what you do,
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as we first reported here in 2006, in his book tempting faith, david quo wrote that karl rove's office referred to evangelical christian leaders who support rove coveted at the ballot box as goofy, ridiculous, and nuts. last night after christine o'donnell's victory interfered with rove's designs to retake the senate for republicans, he went on tv, fox, and described the tea party candidate as someone with truthfulness and sincerity issues who says nutty things. in our fourth story. karl rove is the latest right-wing puppeteer displeased with the fringe candidate his party created. last night he voiced his displeasure on fox republican news and the ensuing infight has played out like a scene from "28 days later." karl rove may be out of the white house, but he still has
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skin in the game. his political action committee american cross roads is spending millions to try to elect republican senators in nevada, colorado, and elsewhere. before last night, rove's belief was the republicans could regain the senate, and then o'donnell had fun storming the castle and then karl rove went on fox and chewed up ronald reagan's 11th commandment. stuck it in a straw and shot a soing wet spitball at poor sean hannity. >> it doesn't matter. i've got to tell you, i wasn't, frankly, impressed as her abilities as a candidate. and again, these serious questions about how does she make her living? why does she mislead voters about her college education? how come it took her nearly two decades to pay her college bills to get her college degree? how did she make a living? why did she sue a well-known conservative think tank? it does conservatives little good to support candidates who -- at the end of the day, while they may be conservative
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in their statements do not prove the rectitude and truthfulness and character that voters are looking for. we'll see how she can answer these questions. she hasn't answered them thus far in the campaign. and now in the general election, she'll answer them. >> i interviewed her and felt her explanations were far more plausible -- >> did you ask her about the people who were following her home to her headquarters and how she's checked each night in the bushes? there's just a lot of nutty things that she's been saying that don't add up. >> it sounds like you don't support her. but i will tell you -- >> i'm for the republican, but i've got to tell you, we were looking at eight to nine seats in the senate. we're now looking at seven to eight in my opinion. this is not a race we'll be able to win. she attacked him by saying he'd had a homosexual relationship -- with a young aide with not a bit of evidence to prove it. >> she said in that interview that she was not making that accusation. >> she -- she -- that was the second interview. she'd already previously spread the rumor. i mean, come on.
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>> that happened before o'donnell's victory speech. and the right wing blogosphere went appaplectic. rove was in full-on meltdown and back in dover after o'donnell's speech. she handed the microphone to one of her supporters, russ murphy who had watched rove dress down his candidate. he told the crowd about his december 2009 meeting with rove. he says then bush's brain asked the tea party crowd to ditch o'donnell. >> about a year ago, karl rove came to delaware for a republican thing, and he asked for a private meeting with the tea party groups, the grass root groups. and we went and sat down with him. and he tried to convince us how we needed to get behind the party. and how we needed to get behind a candidate that was electable. what i really want to do is tell you folks how to work with a candidate and how to get things
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done. and i said, sir, with all due respect, no one is going to tell us how to take care of business. >> we're not going to do what you say anymore, carl. this morning it was limbaugh's turn to freak out. >> i've never heard karl so animated against a democrat as he was against christine o'donnell last night. you want to talk about christine o'donnell's baggage? where is this criticism of democrats? where has it been? if 51 seats was really the objective, if getting that majority is really that important, then lets go balls to the wall for christine o'donnell. >> happy thoughts, happy thoughts, happy thoughts. this morning, christine o'donnell swung back at rove and turned to the unsmooth unfactual word to refudiate rove's charges. >> everything he's saying is unfactual, and it's a shame
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because he's the same so-called political guru that predicted i wasn't going to win. and we won and we won big. so i think, again, you know, he's eating some humble pie, and he's just trying to restore his reputation. >> with the ball back in his court -- happy thoughts -- rove booked himself on fox news earlier today. rather than backing down, he basically gave the democratic candidate chris coons his next campaign ad for free. >> i think the questions about why she had a problem for five years with paying her federal income taxes, why her house was foreclosed on and put up for a sheriff's sale. why it took 16 years for her to settle her college debt and get her diploma after she went around for years claiming she was a college graduate. these and other troubling sort of personal background things. she thinks that she has explained them. i think she's got to -- i think a lot of voters in delaware are going to want more than she's offering to them right now. and we'll see. 59 days from now, we'll see if these issues matter or not.
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if she wins, more power to her. she's right on the issues. i think the voters of delaware are not going to want to know are you right on the issues? but do you have the character and background that gives me the confidence that you're the right person for the job? >> you think she's not electable? >> well, look, that's going to be proven. what i said last night was she's got to answer these troubling questions. it's not enough, she said, look, i'm puzzled as to why the irs put a lien on me. you don't have an irs lien put on your taxes you failed to pay in 2005, five years later unless you haven't paid your taxes. she said it was a technical mistake by the bank why her house was the subject of a foreclosure lawsuit that she lost and her house was put up for sale at a sheriff's sale. and just before the sheriff's sale, she sold the house on which she owed $90,000. she sold it for $135,000 to her boyfriend who was also her campaign adviser. people are going to want to know more about these. what did she do? why did she only have $5,800 in living expenses.
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why did she claim to be a graduate of farley-dickinson since the mid-'90s when it turns out she just got her degree because she had unpaid college bills they had to sue her over? >> one thing he forgot, though, christine o'donnell is a mama grizzly and when a mama grizzly is attacked, then the mamma grizzly nibbles on brains. >> my message to those who say that the gop nominee is not electable or that they're not even going to try, well, i say buck up. the cannibals, i think there are fewer of those than there are of us. and us would be just -- we the people. so it is time to put aside internal power grabs and greed and egos within the party and to fight united for what's right and beneficial for all americans. >> delores umbrage then put down the phone and tweeted. dr. freud would note that she
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president gets the message and gives it out. they are his tax cuts and the republicans are blocking them.
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that's next. first, the sanity break and the tweet of the day from third bowl of porage. o'donnell tells them they best take a cold shower. see, he made a self-abuse funny there. let's play "oddball." >> she had this whole -- never mind. we begin in india. move over crazy cat lady, we now have bird man. he has turned his home into one large bird sanctuary, the cage is large enough the trees can grow on the inside, which makes the birds feel more at home. neighbors say at first they were bothered by the noise, but now find it soothing. i'm sure the fact that he is a city councilman had nothing to do with their acceptance of this. not sure how many birds birdman owns, but he is single handedly saving the newspaper industry in india. to a galaxy far, far away, ferndale, michigan. i guess he doesn't pay as well
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tea-fueled tidal wave in november, a political movement united in its demand to shrink government debt. the democratic party is right now debating whether or not it might be a good idea to stand up against a plan to add another $500 billion to the debt to pay for a tax cut for the richest 2% of americans. our third story, senate republican leader mitch mcconnell put a bow on this gift. but it's still not clear whether democrats will be smart enough to take that gift. specifically the "washington post" reports mcconnell was asked how he would pay for the tax cut. a plan that would nearly double projected deficits over the next ten years adding $4 trillion in just the first decade and more in decades subsequent. how to pay for $4 trillion plus.
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his office told the post, mcconnell supports a spending freeze that would save $300 billion. good, only $3.7 trillion to go, mr. mcconnell. there are signs democrats are hungry to make this an issue before november, especially at republican insistence that they will block president obama's plan to extend tax cuts for every household on the first $250,000. >> right now, we could decide to extend tax relief for the middle class. right now, we could decide that every american household would receive a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. once again, the leaders across the aisle are saying no. they want to hold these middle class tax cuts hostage until they get an additional tax cut for the wealthiest 2% of americans. we simply can't afford that. >> last night, congressman chris
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van hollen, chairman of the house dem campaign committee came out of a meeting on precisely this issue on whether to vote on these issues before voters vote on them in november. and i asked him whether the house plans to do so. >> i think there will be a vote in the congress. again, this is something that's under discussion. i think there will be a vote in the congress whether the senate goes first or the house goes first, that's the kind of thing that needs to be resolved. >> with conservative dems still wavering. harry reid is considering pursuing republican support for just the middle class tax cuts by allowing republicans at least a chance to hold a full vote on whether to extend all tax cuts. let's turn to msnbc contributor ezra klein. good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> politically, why wouldn't harry reid give his eyeteeth for a filibuster for tax cuts for the middle class? >> because talking to democrats
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about tax cuts is talking to indiana jones about snakes. they're terrified of the issue. they lose on it over and over again. they're petriied they're going to grab small business people, some sympathetic rich person, get him in there, and people begin to think, you know what? democrats are going to raise taxes again. democrats have pretty much been like this largely since reagan. >> but to that point, there was a thing in the "huffington post" this afternoon about the democratic resistance which said as you did, the fear is that republicans would find a small businessman, sit him before a camera afraid it would make them to hire more people. a rising deficit makes interest rates rise and that makes it harder for businesses to borrow. and, in fact, on our news hour, we'd already had a small businesswoman who was the ceo of betty's family of restaurants. elizabeth lesner, she was on this program and she talked about how tax cuts for the rich are not going to help her out, not going to help her hire new people. weigh in on the competing views here, if you would.
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>> i don't think people have a sense of what the numbers are here. when we talk about the tax cuts, the republican plan right now. it would add $4 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years. nothing that obama has done -- even if you multiply it by itself a couple times over has done anything like that. that is five times larger than the stimulus. that is -- i think it's about 15 times larger than what t.a.r.p. will end up being, which will only be about $66 billion. so this is a huge increase on the deficit. and by the way, obama's middle class tax plan is about $3.2 trillion on the deficit. so we just went in a couple of months from everybody saying the deficit is the most important issue in american politics to should we increase it by $3 trillion or $4 trillion? this is what american politics is and nobody levels with the american people. the republicans say we don't think this is worth $4 trillion on the deficit. we just sort of swing back and forth between pretending we're concerned about the deficit and pretending we're concerned about taxes. and never ever deal as a country with the dissidents between those two positions. >> if you take it the democrats get away with that because
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they're experienced politicians and it's business as usual and the rest of that. how do people in the tea party look at themselves in the mirror under the same circumstances and say, wait, do i want to cut taxes or cut the deficit? or do they not appear in their own mirror? >> i don't think they appear in the mirror. there was a poll a while back showing the majority preferred cutting taxes compared to the deficit. i was actually looking into this today, soy went back to a christine o'donnell interview from a couple weeks back, i believe. and she said, yes, we need to extend the bush tax cuts and rand paul said yes. but neither of them said how they would pay for it. and this is the same rand paul who said he'd filibuster any budget that wasn't balanced. we have sort of a weird escape clause in american politics where you're supposed to tell the american people that you're coming to washington to make tough decisions, but you're never supposed to tell them about any of the tough decisions you'll make. and, in fact, once you get there, you don't try to make any of the tough ones at all. eventually this bill will come due. nobody's saying how they're going to pay it. >> short-term, the same question
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i asked congressman van hollen last night, and pete greenberg the pollster. are the democrats going to put the republicans up against the wall on middle class tax cuts and say, either vote for these or let's see you veto them. is it going to happen before the election? >> if it's going to happen, it'll be because their base is pushing them to do it. at the end of the day democrats and politicians in general tend to stay quiet right before elections. even though the polls are in their favor, they're a little bit nervous. what if it backfires? they tend to be more comfortable with risks they know. but there's a lot of pressure from folks like you and others in the democratic base to do it. so i wouldn't be shocked to see it happen. >> well, if it's about me, forget it. we're that bad off. msnbc contributor ezra klein, always a pleasure. >> thank you. who is in charge of the landscape of the new far right? he says he is. the nation's demographics say the far right has had it, and sarah palin has issued a new proclamation about how to deal with it.
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just put your message out through fox news, she says. fired? for burning pages of the koran. fired by the government. i don't think so. worst persons ahead. and rachel joins you at the top of the hour with a special guest. well-timed given the story in delaware. vice president joe biden. logistics makes the world work better. ♪ when it's planes in the sky ♪ ♪ for a chain of supply, that's logistics ♪ ♪ when the parts for the line ♪ ♪ come precisely on time ♪ that's logistics ♪ ♪ a continuous link, that is always in sync ♪ ♪ that's logistics ♪
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sarah palin wrestles karl rove for the control of the republican party and fox news and not necessarily in that order. tonight, palin has publicly told the new republican senate nominee in delaware how to bypass the party using fox. she said tonight "she is going to have to learn very quickly to dismiss what some of her handlers want. remember what happened to me. she's going to have to learn that quickly, dismiss that, go with her gut, get out there, speak to the american people, speak through fox news and let the independents who are tuning in, let them know what it is she stands for, the principles behind her positions." there's apparently always an authority to rebel against for ms. palin, and she is still operating under the delusion that independents watch fox news. worsts, and then we'll wrap
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what the tea party means to the future of the republican party if it has one. that's next. but first, get out your pitchforks for tonight's worst persons. to mark smith of watsonville, california. police say he walked into a bank there, said he had a bomb in his backpack and if they didn't give him $2,000, he'd blow up the bank. in passing, mr. smith allegedly
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let's finish if ms. o'donnell will let us. republicans might win the white house in two months, they might even win the white house in two years. but our number one story tonight, it might be the fear of what happens in the next two decades that has fueled republican energy in this election cycle because the future of the republican party, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of its life is a grim one. two days ago on his radio program, glenn beck suggested otherwise claiming that his fans represent this nation's political future. >> we have 30 million people in our footprint, 30 million people. well, that's 10% of the population. some people say that's only 10%,
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that's 10% of the population. here's the good news, this 10% is going to be the shelter for the other 90%. this 10% is going to -- out of this 10% will be the leaders of tomorrow. >> so who are these leaders of tomorrow? this alleged 30 million who buy whatever beck is selling? you're looking at them. this is his audience at his washington rally on september 11th. they are white people. they are christian people, they are old people, which means not only will the leaders of tomorrow die tomorrow-ish, they're not even replacing themselves in the population. beck's 10% is shrinking. out of every thousand white women, 60 had a baby in 2006 compared to 70 babies for every thousand black woman and compared to for every 1,000 hispanic women, 102 baby ppz white americans were falling just short of replacing themselves in the population. hispanics were not only replacing themselves, they were
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tossing in .96 of another one for good measure. the implications for the white/christian/male power structure is obvious for one member named bill o'reilly who feared for the future of that structure if the far left had its way. he was urging senator john mccain not to let more immigrants into this country. >> they want to break down the white/christian/male power structure, which you are a part, and so am i. and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. in that regard, pat buchanan is right. so i say that you've got to cap it. >> let's bring in a non-member of the white/christian/male power structure. arshan hasad. thanks for your time tonight, sir. >> my pleasure. >> correcting my videotape, that's bush's -- beck's rally from 8/28, not the one from 9/11.
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on the numbers, who is right here? is the future glenn beck's audience or bill o'reilly's worst fears? >> well, you lead it out, keith. any seventh grader can do this math, and clearly glenn beck hasn't been able to. this is a nation that's becoming increasingly diverse and pluralistic. and if we want to build a movement, and i think, you know, glenn beck has been doing that, i guess. you have to be able to build a broad, progressive movement that's broad based. if you have to do the math, we already have a successful model. barack obama won with enormous portion and enormous share of the vote, and that was a coalition built of young people, minorities, people of broad interests all over this country. >> how much of the enthusiasm, thus that we see from the right, particularly in the last few months, how much of that is actually coming out of fears about what it means for them -- means for them to join everybody else, basically, in being a minority in this country? fears about the death of whatever values and culture they think are unique to them? >> i think it's ludicrous to fear being a minority in this
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country. i'm not really afraid of being a minority, and i'm already one. so i think if he wants to reach out, he should think about -- or he and whoever else in the tea party should think about the main concerns in this country. people want an economy that works for everyone. and that's an issue that's broad-based and appeals to young people and minorities. >> does it boil down to something as simple as when we see people hysterically saying we want our country back, it's -- it's basically a white country that's nice to acceptable minorities? >> well, they've created their own mythology about what this country used to be. so i don't find any of that even relevant. >> the republican party, of course, gave us the southern strategy in the '70s, picking out racism against black people and ken melman has admitted the use of homophobia in the first decade of this century. and we've seen the same tactic used much more recently against
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latinos and muslims, especially. wasn't there going to be a republican big tent at one point? or have we forgotten that one? >> clearly that didn't work. and i don't think there was any sincerity behind supposed big tent. if there was a big tent, there was an effort in the '90s to reach out to muslims in the republican party. that clearly didn't work. and this decade, we've had briefly an attempt to reach out to latinos in this country. the minute that these tea party people who are clearly taking over the country. the minute that they have an opportunity to throw anyone else under the bus, they will. and that's not a big tent. >> isn't the rights quandary then that if you modernize conservatism you basically kill it? >> i think it's a bit too late for them to think about it. it's almost over intellectualizing it. you've got glenn beck and rush limbaugh going out there and saying, this is it, we're the future. when demographically, that is false. and if you're building a pluralistic society, that's not where this country is headed. >> arshad hasan, thank you. >> thank you.