Skip to main content

tv   The Rachel Maddow Show  MSNBC  December 15, 2010 12:00am-1:00am EST

12:00 am
going to die and i don't want to die. i want to live. i'm only 44 years old. i'm a young man. there are other transplant people out there that have different afflictions but are still the same. what's happening in arizona is completely wrong. >> douglas, we thank you for your time this evening and for being so forthright about it and we wish you the best of luck with it. >> thank you, keith, and thank you nbc. i appreciate it. >> more than welcome. that's december 14th, eight days since the republicans got the deal for taxes for the rich. mr. boehner, where are the jobs? i'm keith olbermann. good night and good luck. to discuss how and if anyone can fix the senate, here's rachel maddow. thank you for staying with us for the next hour. i grew up in northern california, there's relatively speaking not very much weather. for my adult life i've lived on the east coast where there is lots of weather.
12:01 am
doing everyday things like going to the grocery store have to be coordinated with the weather forecast. if you want to get your regular grocery shopping done, don't do that when a giant storm is in the forecast. when a giant storm is in the forecast it activates a primal animal instinct to hoard and burrow just in case you get snowed in or something. have all of your provisions with you at that time. learning that was an important part of becoming an east coaster in my life. bad weather forecast equals mobbed grocery store. i've also learned if you are trying to do your grocery shopping in the least possible time, if you're trying to do your shopping as fast as it can be done, one of the best ways to do that is show up right before the store is about to close. right when the store's closing. right when the store's closing? but wait, shouldn't the people
12:02 am
who work there have tons of other stuff to do at that time? yes, they do. that's exactly the point. they want to get out of there so they can get their stuff done and go home. this does not mean the people who work at the grocery stores are slow walking or slow rolling you the rest of the day. it means the incentives are all there for you, their work, you. their work consists of dealing with you in large part. the incentives are there for you to be over with as their work. for you to be done so they can do what they want to do, finish up the stuff they need to do and go home. it's a natural incentive. it probably even works in california though i've never tried it there. that phenomenon, that closing time phenomenon turns out to be the thing that explains why the united states senate looks like an episode of "benny hill" right now. ♪ ♪
12:03 am
♪ this is the lame duck congress. this is the period in washington. this is supposed to be a slow news period when it comes to u.s. politics, but there has not been more legislative action. there has not been more stuff going on in washington at any other time in this entire year than there is going on right now. >> we must complete the tax bill. we're going to move as soon as we can to the s.t.a.r.t. treaty. we have to fund the government. we have to make sure we complete work on the dream act. if the house completes work on don't ask, don't tell, we'll have to work on that. we have the 9/11 situation in new york. we still haven't given up on that. we have a number of nominations we're working on. >> if you want to find a time that there was this much, all that stuff going on in d.c., where this much important action on the docket, you would have to
12:04 am
go all the way back to this time exactly last year. which was, again, supposed to be a dead period. a quiet interregnum, a time when people in the news business had vacations scheduled because no big news happens around this time of year. what was going on this time last year, this time last year on christmas eve, what was happening? >> a lot of americans will be getting up early tomorrow including u.s. senators. they've been told to report to work, believe it or not, at 7:00 a.m. because it apparently is really happening now. a final vote on the health care bill. >> a christmas eve vote on health reform in the united states senate. why does stuff stall all year long and then this time of year it takes off like it is in fast motion? it's because the people who work here want to go home. get your stuff, get your rewards cards, it's time to go, move it. you do not have to go home, but you can't stay here, everybody out. this is not just sociology about
12:05 am
human incentives. this is political science. this is not an accident. it's not always been true that stuff got done only at christmas time in washington only at the end of the legislative washington. this is a political phenomenon now, not just a grocery store phenomenon at the end of the night, because of something really dramatic that happened to the american political system. this is the way that senate works. this is 1919 to just before republicans in the senate went into the minority in 2006. this is how the senate worked from 1919 until before republicans became the minority. then the last time republicans became the minority, what happened? boing. look at that. what you're looking at there is the breaking of the united states senate as an institution. what these are is filibusters. this is when the senate decides to take the extraordinary measure of making something take 60 votes to pass instead of 50 votes. and that's impossible. supermajorities are impossible. you cannot actually pass things
12:06 am
with supermajorities in an ongoing way. this is not the way that legislatures function. it is never the way that america's legislature has functioned. if you're going to require a supermajority it means that effectively this body has ceased to function, it has ceased to function as a normal majority rules legislature. this is how republicans broke the senate. they have turned the senate into a republican stronghold not while they were in the majority, but since they've been in the minority. since they lost the senate they have turned it into a stronghold for their own party by using power the senate minority is usually entrusted not to abuse. they've used that power to break the institution. even know they are the minority, less than 50 of them, they exert all of the leverage. they get what they want. which not only means that policies get changed to try to appeal to them, it also means that the calendar just stretches on and on and on and on with nothing ever getting done.
12:07 am
that is their preference. they are filibustering the funding of the military right now. it's on the docket. they are filibustering the appointment of people to relatively low-level political jobs at middle management levels at cabinet agencies you cannot remember the names of. people who are not famous, people who are not controversial but are nevertheless subject to this extraordinary supermajority rule. this extraordinary thing that was never supposed to be used the way it's being used. because republicans are using it the way they are, nothing gets done. and they have found that strategy to be in their political interest. to get as little done as possible. >> saturday at midnight the government funding runs out. we have to deal with that. that's the only thing that has to be dealt with. then you have to ask, is there anything that's absolutely necessary beyond that? anything that were to be done during that period of time would not have the respective american people. >> it is in their interest as
12:08 am
the political minority that nothing gets done and they can achieve that with the way they have broken the institution formally known as the united states senate. and that's what explains why christmas is so busy every year now, because the only leverage the democrats have, even though they're in the majority, the only way democrats can exert majority, pressure on republicans is using the fact republicans want to go home and the only way to go home, democrats say, is to have to do stuff first. democrats' only leverage is, hey republicans, you can't leave yet. >> we're going to complete the work we have to do here. i want to get out of here just as soon as we can, but we're not going to walk away from any of the work we have to do. christmas is a week from saturday. i understand that, but i hope the republicans understand it also. because we are going to complete our work no matter how long it takes in this congress. we have to do the work of the
12:09 am
american people. we've been stalled and stalled and stalled this whole congress. >> that is the democratic leverage. the leverage that democrats have, it's circumstantial. it's you guys want to go home so we'll keep the senate opened so you can't go home. this is not a procedure. this is not a rule. this is not a technique for bringing things to the floor. this isn't even debate. this is, you guys want to go home and that's all we have to use against you so we can get things done. the senate is broken so this is the only time and only way the majority can get stuff passed. here's what things stand right now. the big tax cuts vote could theoretically get taken up after midnight tonight, although democrats now they they're going to wait until tomorrow morning. why is midnight the important threshold? that's when the 30 hours of waiting time republicans are requiring on this thing ends. again, they are stalling something that most of them are in favor of. after the tax cuts deal passes which it is expected to do, then they'll try to get through the other things republicans are
12:10 am
filibustering. the s.t.a.r.t. treaty supported by every boldface republican name on national security. the don't ask, don't tell repeal for which there are reportedly definitely 60 votes, enough to beat the filibuster. the dream act which was a bipartisan thing, now being filibustered. the 9/11 first responders bill. i cannot believe there is any controversy about. it's your conscience, you live with it. all of those things are stacked up and ready to go. today is december 14th. there is a reason why all of this stuff happens at this time of year. why this time last year all of this stuff was happening and why we are likely to see them working on christmas eve and maybe christmas day, who knows. there's a reason the senate is on fast forward when it gets to this time of year. it's because the senate is broken. and the only means by which republicans can be moved to allow the senate to function is to threaten to make them work instead of going home when they want to go home. that is not the way it is supposed to work. the thing is broken. but it can be fixed.
12:11 am
joining us now is senator tom udall of new mexico, a man who wants to fix it. thank you for joining us again, senator. nice to see you. >> thank you, rachel. great to be with you. you made a strong case there, no doubt about it. >> do you think the senate is broken or do you think i'm overstating it? >> you're not overstating it. it's a very broken institution. right to the heart of what we're talking about, we lurch from one filibuster to the next. we waste an incredible amount of time. filibuster used to be something that was extraordinarily rare, you know? in lbj's days back in the 1954 to '61 period, he only had to cut, and this is six years, cut one filibuster off in that period. this year harry reid had to cut off 84. so you know, it's -- they've taken something that's
12:12 am
incredibly rare and they've now turned the institution into a supermajority institution. and you just can't govern with supermajorities. it's just not going to work that way. >> people get nostalgic for the arm twisting effectiveness of lbj, when you realize what he was up against, one filibuster versus 84 for harry reid, it puts harry reid in a brighter light. there is a reason the filibuster exists. the senate values the preservation of the rights of the minority for making their views known and having legislative effectiveness. is there a way to preserve that while stopping the breaking of the institution? >> i think there is, rachel. i real believe in the rights of the minority. really the way the filibuster used to work is there was respect back and forth between both sides of the aisle. republicans and democrats. and you would say to the minority side, well, if you want to take the time to be heard, to put your viewpoint out there, to
12:13 am
rally the american people, please do that and take the time that you need, but then at the end of that there was an understanding that you would come together and have an up or down vote. that's what we're missing right now from filibuster to filibuster, we vote maybe most of the time because we don't even get on to the bill. and all the things that you've named, from the dream act to the defense department authorization, to don't ask, don't tell, we could have done these a long time ago, but there was a filibuster going on. preventing us from getting to a yes or no vote. and so one senator shouldn't have the right to hold the whole institution up. you'll remember there was a senator that held unemployment benefits up for almost two or three days, singly while people were rolling off and losing their benefits.
12:14 am
that just isn't right, and i don't think the american people and the middle class feel that this is the way the senate should operate. we can fix it. we can fix it on the first day because with 51 senators and utilizing the constitutional option, we can move to a situation where we change the rules. obviously i may be in the minority at some point, so i was minority rights protected. but we can make the senate work more efficiently. that's what we're working on right now. and i've got this idea on the constitutional option that on the first day, and it's been utilized before, with 51 votes you can cut off debate and adopt rules of the senate. and that's what we're galvanizing around. >> senator udall, i asked senator reid right before the election if he would support filibuster reform. as you've said, your constitutional option, something that's structured to take a 51-senator vote on the first day
12:15 am
of the new senate. obviously there will be more than is 51 democrats in the chamber. there has been some positive noise from republicans. do you have support for senator reid for some filibuster reform? he said he would be interested in it at least in concept. >> no, senator reid has spoken several times passionately. one of the ones i remember is when he appeared at net roots nation and talked about abuse of the spitball and abuse of the four-corner rule in basketball. he said they banned those. he said, you know, this abuse is unprecedented, we have to do something about it. and so he has assigned a number of task forces to take a look at the rules and come back. we're going to meet this thursday in a democratic caucus. if we can't get it done thursday, we're going to meet again on friday, and we're going to try to hammer out what 51 senators would like to see.
12:16 am
none of that can happen, any of those changes that we come to a conclusion on, unless we utilize the constitutional option which works on the first day. 51 votes, cut off debate, 51 votes for the rules. there are republicans out there, we want to reach across the aisle and want to try to make sure the place isn't dysfunctional and they give us their ideas. but if they aren't going to join us and continue this then i think it's our obligation to govern and do everything we can do make sure that the american people have legislation that meets their needs. the middle class is hurting now. we need to get out there and legislate, get this economy going and move on all those other important matters we talked about earlier. >> senator tom udall of new mexico. thank you for joining us. appreciate your time on this. >> thank you very much. >> senator udall is talking about there i believe is the single most important thing that
12:17 am
could be done to change washington. on a single day in the legislature that we know about. it would make a huge difference for the rest of barack obama's first term as president and might make the difference between whether or not he has a second term. it can only be done on the first day of the new congress. all right. since christmastime is the new rush hour in washington, there is a lot going on right now including the nation's liberal elected officials having to decide what to do about the president's controversial deal with republicans on taxes. chris hayes helps us with that. plus we apparently started a fight between christine o'donnell and fox news. don't know how we got in the middle of that, but we did. that's ahead. gecko: good news sir, i just got an email from the office and word is people really love our claims service. gecko: 'specially the auto repair xpress. repairs are fast and they're guaranteed for as long as you own your car.
12:18 am
boss: hey, that's great! is this your phone? gecko: yeah, 'course. boss: but...where do you put...i mean how do you...carry... waitress: here you go. boss: thanks! gecko: no, no i got it, sir. anncr: geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. yeah. aww...that oj needs alka-seltzer plus. fast powder packs are a taste-free fizz-free way to transform your drink into a powerful cold fighter! there's a cold front moving in, but relief is on the way.
12:19 am
a heartfelt speaker to be, republican speaker john boehner. seriously. stay with us.
12:20 am
♪ [ male announcer ] open up a cadillac during our season's best sales event. and receive the gift of asphalt. experience the cadillac of crossovers, the striking srx. it's the one gift you can open up all year long. see your cadillac dealer for this attractive offer. backed by the peace of mind that only comes from cadillac premium care maintenance. the season's best sales event. from cadillac. from cadillac premium care maintenance. i'm bob kearn, president of coit cleaning services. these pictures are the history of my family and they're also the history of coit. we've been in business for 60 years and our greatest asset has always been our people. we use the plum card from american express open to purchase everything we can
12:21 am
and with the savings from the early pay discount, we were able to invest back into our business by hiring more great people like ruben here. how can the plum card's trade terms get your business booming? booming is a new employee named ruben. if you're a liberal or centrist and you're disappointed the president's agenda has not become law, where your sadness lives is the united states senate. the scroll beneath me is a list of thousands of things that have passed the house but not have gone anywhere in the senate. over 400 bills since the end of september. nobody bothered to update the count since the end of september. our poor researchers are trying to. with republicans breaking the senate so a supermajority is required to pass anything there now, the senate is where article 1 of the constitution has died. where the process of making law by legislation in this country
12:22 am
has died. the senate is broken. that is looming over washington at all times. what does that mean for the stuff lined up to pass in a huge big rush in the next few days? joining us is the "nation" magazine's washington editor and msnbc contributor, chris hayes. hello, mr. hayes. hello, mr. hayes. >> miss maddow, how are you? >> good, thank you. s.t.a.r.t. repeal of don't ask, don't tell. what do you think passes? >> well, you know, january 4th is the expiration date on the congress. harry reid seems to be quite serious about working through that. the new congress starts january 5th. up until the stroke of midnight on january 4th, this congress is in session. harry reid wants to squeeze all the juice out of it as possible. what's going to pass? the tax cut deal i think. i don't think it's a sure thing. it's more likely to pass than not. not a sure thing.
12:23 am
you're starting to hear rumblings from tea party types on the republican side of this about a backlash against the deal. it will be interesting to see how that plays out in the house. dadt, don't ask, don't tell, repeal is right, right, right on the razor's edge as we saw. the dream act i think is probably short of the votes it needs to pass. at least it was a few weeks ago. i don't think anything changes in the interim. the s.t.a.r.t. treaty looks like it has the votes to pass. if you talk to people around the s.t.a.r.t. negotiations, it needs two-thirds because it's a treaty. the question of whether it's going to be taken up is now bob corker from tennessee is saying we're going to push this to the next congress. that remains to be seen as well. >> i feel like the beltway press at large is particularly bad at reporting on liberals, on liberal arguments about policy. i feel you are very good at that. what do liberal democrats end up doing about the president's tax cut deal he made with republicans? you mentioned grumbling on the right.
12:24 am
what happens to the dissatisfaction on the left? >> some of my best friends are liberals. i have a little insight. al franken had this sort of very kind of frank and heartfelt post on the "huffington post" today which said this is the hardest vote i had to take. he voted for the tax -- he said it was right on the line of what i would go for and basically i went for it, but i'm not happy about it. i think you're going to see a lot of that. the question is, how do they channel that? one, there's movement in the house to attach two more things to the compromise. one is if unemployment is going to be extended and tax cuts are going it be extended they should be extended for the same amount of time. unemployment is getting 13 months in the bill and tax cuts two years. why is that the case? why can that not be the case they get extended for the same amount of time, fair is fair, particularly since it's going to be republican congress in 13 months and they're going to hold the unemployment checks hostage again and we're going to have another capitulation? the other thing that some have been talking about although i
12:25 am
don't know what's going to happen is getting a debt ceiling raise put into the package as well so, yet again, we won't be up against this hostage situation in march or april when the debt ceiling comes due. those are the ways they can operationalize their discontent in the short-term legislative sense. >> chris hayes, washington editor for the "nation" magazine. i have a feeling we'll be checking in with you for updates on the matters shortly. still ahead, debunktion junction. the long-awaited duet between kim jong-il and legal guitarist of yard birds. nonstop geopolitical rock straight ahead. >> man: diving to 4,000 meters. >> boy: go down, down, down. down. straight. go straight. no, to the right. to the right. >> go to the right, go to the right. >> whoa! >> whoa! >> what is that? >> man: well, that's a, uh... i don't know. >> whoa. >> can we call him blinky?
12:26 am
>> woman: expert teaching. deeper learning. together, we are the human network. cisco. [ coughs ] [ breathes deeply, wind blows ] something wrong with your squeegee, kid? uh, i'm a little sick. sick?! you gonna let a sore throat beat you? you're fearless! ahhhhhhhhh! atta boy! [ male announcer ] halls. a pep talk in every drop. [ male announcer ] you know her. we know diamonds. together we'll make her holiday.
12:27 am
that's why only zales is the diamond store. where you can get up to $1,000 off now through sunday.
12:28 am
♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] some people just know how to build things well. give you and your loved ones an expertly engineered mercedes-benz... ho ho ho!
12:29 am
[ male announcer ] the winter event going on now. and stay connected with three years of mbrace service complimentary. debunktion junction, what's my function? true or false. this segment, debunktion junction segment started a fight on the right. this segment we attempt to sort out fact from fiction from the daily news cycle, debunktion junction sparked a disagreement, sent out loggerheads to the forces on the right, started a fight between fox news and christine o'donnell. is that true or false? true. last week on debunktion junction, we said christine o'donnell would be doing a guest host stint on fox and friends during christmas week. christine o'donnell said that in a sit-down interview with
12:30 am
reporters from "roll call." after we reported it on the tv machine, fox news told a conservative tv columnist that christine o'donnell was doing no such thing. christine o'donnell says she's guest hosting on fox, fox says, she said what? she totally is not. fox news is calling christine o'donnell a liar. christine o'donnell will not comment not even to defend herself from fox is saying about her. we keep calling. she keeps not calling us back. we'll let you know if that changes. if we started this whole you're a liar, she's a liar, you're a liar, she's a liar fight we hope you'll be able to work it out, get together, we didn't mean anything by it. one of the wikileaks revelations, the u.s. state department considered arranging a private elton john concert for kim jong-il. kim jong-il, private concert, elton john. is that true or false?
12:31 am
false. common misconception. common mixup i should say. it is actually the president of kazakhstan who got the private concert with elton john and the united states did not arrange it. he paid for it himself. it was for his son-in-law's birthday party. the wikileaks revelation about kim jong-il was about eric clapton. a cable released, in may 2007 a wire was sent suggesting the u.s. government should, quote, book eric clapton. it said that in all caps. so-and-so person whose name is x'd out, passed on that the u.s. government arrange for eric clanton to perform a concert in pyongyang. it could be an opportunity for goodwill. he's been passed over for succession, he did attend eric
12:32 am
clapton concerts while in school in europe. two years after this wikileaked cable in 2009, north korea invited eric clapton to come to pyongyang. he did not end up going. thanks to the wikileaks cable, north korea asked our government to help book the gig. disturbing as that is, hey, it's not elton john. we'll be right back. ♪ silent night
12:33 am
♪ holy night ♪ sleep in heavenly peace ♪ sleep in heavenly peace ♪ sleep in heavenly peace ♪ sleep in heavenly peace just shake it. [ rattling ] [ male announcer ] need ink? staples has a low price guarantee on all the ink you need. find a lower price at another store, and we'll match it. that was easy. if you're taking an antidepressant and still feel depressed, one option your doctor may consider is adding abilify. abilify treats depression in adults when added to an antidepressant. some people had symptom improvement in as early as one to two weeks after adding abilify. now with the abilify (me+) program,
12:34 am
your first two weeks of abilify can be free. abilify is not for everyone. call your doctor if your depression worsens or you have unusual changes in behavior, or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens and young adults. elderly dementia patients taking abilify have an increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor if you have high fever, stiff muscles and confusion to address a possible life-threatening condition. or if you have uncontrollable muscle movements, as these could become permanent. high blood sugar has been reported with abilify and medicines like it. in some cases, extreme high blood sugar can lead to coma or death. other risks include decreases in white blood cells, which can be serious, dizziness upon standing, seizures, trouble swallowing, and impaired judgment or motor skills. adding abilify has made a difference for me. [ male announcer ] visit for your free trial offer. and ask your doctor about the risks and benefits of adding abilify.
12:35 am
all day long i've been hearing accusations we made up a story that was on our air yesterday. that would be the story about the ukrainian government planning to open chernobyl. i will admit that story sounds made up, but it is not made up. further detail for you on that. after the nuclear disaster at
12:36 am
chernobyl in 1986, they built a hat for it, a shell to cover up the disaster site made of iron and concrete. that 25-year-old shell built at a stressful time, it leaks radiation. it's reported to be on the brink of collapsing. to replace it, they're building a fancy new shell thing to cover the meltdown site. it's a huge thing. tall enough to cover the statue of liberty. all new construction to contain the radiation. this is my favorite detail of the story. the plan from the ukrainian government is for tourists to start visiting chernobyl next year. the plan for the new shell over the super radioactive part is scheduled to be ready in 2015. so visit next year, radiation guard to follow in four years. i would make this stuff up if i could, but i am neither that creative nor that insane. [ spongecaster ] we're here at the winter dishwashing championship,
12:37 am
a challenge to hands this time of year. what's this? she's hurtling down that sink with no protective gear. oh, no! her hands could dry out. [ female announcer ] don't worry, you can keep your hands in beautiful form with dawn hand renewal with olay beauty. it goes beyond dishwashing to help your hands seal in moisture while you do the dishes. [ spongecaster ] hands down, a beautiful performance. [ female announcer ] dawn does more... [ spongecaster ] so it's not a chore. [ male announcer ] you know her. we know diamonds. together we'll make her holiday. that's why only zales is the diamond store.
12:38 am
where you can get up to $1,000 off now through sunday. that'sso i take zales one a day men's 50+ advantage. as a manager, my team counts on me to stay focused. it's the only complete multivitamin with ginkgo to support memory and concentration. plus vitamin d to help maintain healthy blood pressure. [ bat cracks ] that's a hit. one a day men's. coming up i will defend tears, blubbering, shouting, getting red faced. who's going to make fun of john
12:39 am
boehner for crying on television? not me, not this show. stay with us. ♪
12:40 am
how does america get its way in the world? how do we exert power and influence? some of it is leading by example to the extent we're admired, other countries try to be like us. we influence countries by the virtue of our big economy and vibrant culture.
12:41 am
it is a means by which america gets its way. beyond that, there are two direct ways. there's the threat of force, the threat of using our ginormous military in which we spend more than almost of the other militaries in the world combined. then there's talking. talking people into agreeing with us. negotiating. twisting arms. if you care about america's role in the world and think our influence in the world is important and believe the military cannot continue to be the primary means by which we get our way in the world, then the mostly invisible people who do diplomatic work for america are doing the most important american work of all. one of the few people who did this work who was not invisible is richard holbrooke who died yesterday at the age of 69. today is the anniversary of his most important lifelong accomplishment, the signing of the date and peace agreement. we came across a time capsule of holbrooke's importance and diplomacy's importance. the importance to america and
12:42 am
the world. we found this. it is from 12 years ago. it's short. we thought you should see it. >> in kosovo tonight, there are reports the forces are beginning to move out and that nato air strikes won't be necessary just now, but warplanes will remain at the ready just in case. albanian refugees are reluctant to return to their homes just yet. they're waiting for the international observers to get into place and the begins of political dialogue with the president. today richard holbrooke, the man who negotiated the stand-down, described for me the ordeal of the deal. nine days of heated difficult negotiations, meetings with yugoslav president, a man with a bloody record, nine days that may have saved thousands of lives. >> did you yell at each other? >> we don't yell but it got damn heated. >> is he his own man? >> in the end. this cannot be stressed too highly.
12:43 am
>> he agreed to withdraw from kosovo's so-called serbian police and allow observers to see he keeps his word. >> some people are saying he got exactly what he wanted. >> in order to avoid being bombed, he let 2,000 foreigners wander about kosovo at will. verifying he's going to let nato fly at will over kosovo look down with cameras and had to move in the politics. why would he want that? >> what is he like as a negotiator? >> he's tough, smart, knows how to mix threats are changing subjects. >> holbrooke spent seven hour days, malosovitch sometimes joke, take a drink at the bargaining table, sometimes become pointed and then day four, holbrooke is joined by american air force general mike short. >> malosovitch leaned forward and said, so, you're the general who's going to bomb us. and mike short reeled back for an instant but held his cool and
12:44 am
said, well, mr. president, i got b-52s in one hand, i got u2s in the other. i'm going to do whatever i'm ordered to do but i'd rather use the u2s. >> what made the difference in terms of him finally agreeing to the terms you were laying out there, that he had nowhere else to go? >> i think he recognized the western world's slow moving democracies caught up with his outrageous behavior. the fighters were on the bases in italy and we were moving. >> did he ever say to you or suggestion, anyway, mr. holbrooke, your country is not prepared to move here? >> he did ask me several times things like, would you be crazy enough to bomb us over our security police? i said, yeah, we're just that crazy. >> you spent hours and hours with malosovitch. what drives him? >> power. >> understanding war power, understanding diplomatic power.
12:45 am
power of force. richard holbrooke's last posting was as this president's special forces for afghanistan and pakistan. it will be presented to the country by the president in two days on thursday. we'll have more of that on tomorrow's show. stay tuned. pathetic. you call this a holiday party? we need to help. these people are under-indulgers, not enjoying the holidays! together we can end under-indulgence. and if you over do it,
12:46 am
pepto-bismol's got you covered. ♪ we get double miles on every purchase. so we earned a holiday trip to the big apple twice as fast! dinner! [ garth ] we get double miles every time we use our card. and since double miles add up fast, we can bring the whole gang! it's hard to beat double miles! i want a maze, a sword, a... oww! [ male announcer ] get the venture card from capital one and earn double miles on every purchase, every day.
12:47 am
go to i wonder what it could be?! what's in your wallet? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] at&t and blackberry have teamed up to keep your business moving. blackberry torch now just $99.99. only from at&t. rethink possible. ♪ ♪
12:48 am
[ male announcer ] here's hoping you find something special in your driveway this holiday. ♪ [ santa ] ho ho ho! [ male announcer ] get an exceptional offer on the mercedes-benz you've always wanted at the winter event going on now. and stay connected with three years of mbrace service complimentary. so nancy pelosi is still speaker of the house. the house is still in democratic control as long as this lame duck session is going on. in january when congress comes back, the new speaker of the house will be a man who is known for a lot of things but specifically he's known for getting very emotional in public.
12:49 am
>> there's some things that are very difficult to talk about. family -- a lot of schools. they all these little kids making sure that these kids have a shot at the american dream. like i do. it's important. >> in a "60 minutes" interview, top house republican and house speaker in waiting john boehner put his heart back on his sleeve and got perclemped as you hear there, when he sees children like at school visits and about the fact he gets perclumped. >> you've probably found out by now i'm a pretty emotional guy. there's just some things that, you know, trigger real emotions. and i was talking, trying to
12:50 am
talk about the fact that i've been chasing the american dream my whole career. >> and that was it? >> that was it. >> john boehner is starting to get more attention for the amount of emotion he's willing to show in public. and it's true that him crying so much in public is extraordinary. he should get credit i think for showing an extraordinary range of emotions. he not only cries a lot in public, he's also willing to lose his cool and scream and yell and get red in the face. >> look at how this bill was written. can you say it was done openly? . with transparency and accountability? without backroom deals and struck behind closed doors? hell, no, you can't! have you read the bill? have you read the reconciliation
12:51 am
bill? have you read the manager's amendment? hell, no, you haven't! i am trying to refer to this maneuver going on today as chicken crap. this is nonsense. >> if john maynor were a woman, he would be hearing about almost nothing other than his emotionality. because he is a guy, i think nobody knows of what to make of this. all the other famous crying and public stories are about how the crying in public may be hurt them in some way. there is then senator, edmund muskie in 1972. he called a press conference to speak out about the newspaper publisher who printed negative stories about him.
12:52 am
>> by attacking me and attacking my wife he has proved himself to be a cutlass coward. maybe i have said all i should have. fortunate for him he is not on this platform himself. >> he maintained he was not in fact during up that day. what reporter sought and described in that press conference were snowflakes melting on his face. that has gone down in history as the beginning of the end of his presidential ambitions. about the politicians can't cry and myth that a large part was born on that day. whether or not he actually cried, whether it was snow melting on his face, he was reported to have cried today. on the day of the primary, he won. as recently as 2008, also in new hampshire, hillary clinton.
12:53 am
becoming a little bit emotional. that convulsed the democratic primary and all the country for days on end. >> i have so many opportunities from this country. i just don't want to see us fall backward. [ applause ] >> so, this is very personal for me. it is not just political or public. i see what is happening. we have to reverse it. some people think elections are a game and think it is who's up or who is down. it is about our country and our futures. >> for all the massive crisis and conviction that caused in 2008, hillary clinton won that primary. that incident had an effect, it very well may have helped her more than it hurt her. there is nothing wrong with politicians showing emotion.
12:54 am
nothing wrong with politicians crying in public. it does not hurt them. it shows us what they feel passionately about. what is wrong with that? >> when john walked out of this chamber -- when he walked out of this chamber for the last time, he will leave an enormous void. >> a true measure of a man -- >> he reached the pinnacle in government, but he defies his life by other rules. a father to give unconditional love, a grandfather devoted to his grandchildren. >> at this moment, i wanted to be home. to come to this place -- and to
12:55 am
see all of my friends. >> when i think of what kyle has meant to me over the last 15 years -- i can't help but think that is exactly what he said to me. >> a longtime staffer in february at the top of that block. judd gregg, that was just today. each of those incidents and a million others like them, which public figures become per clamped tells you a lot. we are about to get the most emotional politician third in line to the presidency. he is about to be in the headlines for all of next year and beyond. we have to get past the shock of his visibly strong feelings and the feelings that invokes in us.
12:56 am
we have to figure out how to pay attention to what he is saying even if he is crying while he is saying it. >> members on all sides of the aisle who feel differently that our mission in iraq and chances of success there -- after 3,000 of our fellow citizens died at the hands of these terrorists, we need to stand up and take them on. >> i put my -- myself through a school working every rotten job there was. every night shift i could find. and i poured my heart and soul into running a small business. >> you have probably found out by now i am in a pretty emotional guy. these are some things that trigger real emotions. i was talking, trying to talk
12:57 am
about the fact that i have been chasing the american dream my whole career. >> i ask all of you, both sides of the aisle, what's in the best interest of our country? not what is in the best interest of our party or own reelection, what is in the best interest of our country? vote yes. >> pause there for a second. what he is crying about there, there is nothing wrong with klein. it is distracting and novel and interesting, but what he is talking about is t.a.r.p. when he says yes at the end, what he is saying is vote yes for the wall street bailout. the fact he is crying cannot include our vision now he is about to be this powerful. what a politician does that?
12:58 am
the fact that he is crying is less important than the fact that he later campaigned against the bailout, that he started talking about the bailout as if he didn't only pay for it but cry and take other people to vote for it during a speech on the floor on house. >> i will ask my colleagues, have you had enough of t.a.r.p.? let's do the right thing for the american people. they are already saying enough is enough. let's pay down the deficit. >> no more bailouts. >> let's cut spending back for 2008 novels before the bailouts and stimulus. >> all the nonsense that i tried out. recently, we saw him crying about kids. it is fascinating the fact that he will cry while talking about that in public. amazing in terms of who he is as a politician. not more important than what he wants to do for the kids that
12:59 am
make him cry. he is not an actor but a politician. he gets to make laws for the country. despite the crime, part of this pledge is a pledge to cut about $100 billion out of the national budget. $100 billion in discretionary spending cuts. he wants to have no discretionary spending cuts come from defense or veterans affairs. what does that mean? taking $100 billion out of among a few other things, education. the cuts to domestic spending including education. that would amount to nearly quadruple the largest cuts in discretionary spending faced in the entire last generation nearly four times. yes, he may cry while talking about the awesome things he wants to do for children. having a positive feeling is