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than seven years ago at guantanamo. reaction today from former vice president dick cheney. >> you look at it as a great victory for the american military and intelligence personnel and for the american people. >> plus, what did pakistan know and when did it know it? we'll ask foreign relations chairman senator john kerry and former national security adviser general jim jones. >> usa, usa, usa! >> and amid the worldwide celebrations from ground zero to troops serving overseas, are we really any safer from the worldwide terror threat? >> even as we mark this milestone, we should not forget that the battle to stop al qaeda and its syndicate of terror will not end with the death of bin laden. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. new details now about how they targeted and killed the world's most wanted terrorist.
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these are just released satellite images from the cia showing bin laden's compound in pakistan. that's where a manhunt that began in the mid1990s, long before 9/11, ended in the suburb of pakistan's capital with president obama watching in real time from the white house situation room. chuck todd and richard engel are here. chuck, extraordinary tee tails, the fact this was under way, the secret was kept. and what we now is how they pursued this trail. >> reporter: well, i mean, we could -- there is -- it started seven years ago in, as far as this particular mission, though, the first tip started eight months ago, last august. and from there, and that's when they felt as if they identified this compound, identified this courier to bin laden that they believed that they were finally on the trail to where bin laden was. and then it really ramped up in
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the last six weeks. the president himself heading up five meetings in the last six weeks to decide on this plan of action. he had multiple plans to decide from. could have just sent over some fighter planes to bomb the complex. he decided not to do that. and instead approved this raid, which, by the way, andrea, i'm told by a number of senior officials, he was not getting unanimous advice that this was the way to go. there were a lot of officials warning him of the trouble that could come from trying to do this special forces operation for things that happened -- that actually ended up happening. a helicopter not being able to hover above the location and, instead, we know that they almost had a close call where they had some fingernail biting moments. this was the president's decision and it was uls not
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unanimous that this was the best course of action. >> they had not eyeballed bin laden, they only inferred he was there from what was very good intelligence. they put the pieces together, finding the courier which originally came from a detainee, getting that nickname and then tracking him for four years to this location and then realizing that this compound did not look like anything else in the neighborhood. >> right. >> that brings me to richard engel, our chief foreign correspondent. tell me what you can about the raid itself and how could this have been in a suburb of islamabad, with less than two miles from what is their equivalent of west point and nobody know it, the neighbors all around it, it is just -- it defies credity. >> reporter: a lot of people are feeling that i spent a lot of time in pakistan. i rented a nause pakistan. when you rent a house in pakistan, the police know a
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great deal about the tenant. i didn't rent the house next to any large military complex. it seems very unlikely that osama bin laden would have been able to or any of his cohorts to rent a large facility with high walls that close to a military compound without at least some of the guards on the compound wanting to know who was inside this complex. i think that's one of the most difficult positions that pakistan is finding itself in right now, how can it explain that it is cooperating with the united states, $18 billion in foreign aid over the last decade as you mentioned, and yet osama bin laden was in pakistan, just 35 miles from the showcase capital islamabad. >> richard engel and chuck todd, thanks for all your reporting. we'll be following all day and on "nbc nightly news." the united states has been pakistan's banker since 2001 alone. $18 billion in civilian, government and military aid to pakistan and still osama bin
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laden was able to hide almost in plain sight, as we say, less than two miles from our equivalent of west point. we're joined by senator john kerry. you've been to pakistan, you've met with the officials, you've helped sponsor the aid for all of the good reasons, but americans now want to know, what did we get for that, because it seems as though we could not risk informing them because we couldn't trust them. >> well, andrea, all of those are legitimate questions and i think they're going to have to be answered over the course of the next days. let me just begin by expressing my own admiration for the s.e.a.l. team six and the cia effort and the military efforts and the judgment here. this was a gutsy decision bit president. a lot of things could have gone wrong. they didn't, but all of us in america are unbelievably proud
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of what that s.e.a.l. team did and what all of the coordinating clandestine intelligence and military forces did to pull this off. secondly, i think it is really key to understand that this does have profound impact on a lot of things. and we're not sure yet exactly what all of that impact is on afghanistan, on this relationship with pakistan. it raises the very questions that you've just asked, and i think everybody in america is scratching their heads and saying, wow, you know, just north, near a military training school, how could this be? and obviously we're going to have to search that. now, it is possible that the police were aware of whoever did rent it, and whoever rented it later, you know, osama bin laden sort of comes in in some clandestine way and they don't know necessarily. i don't know the answer to that. but we're going to have to get
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those answers. >> well, the reason why they went in, why the president made that gutsy decision, as you point out, is that there was a nexus of information, that there was a known al qaeda courier going back and forth, living in the house. there were other al qaeda connections and there were no internet or telephone connections. the trash was burned, unlike anything else in the neighborhood. there were a number of suspicious facts about this. >> that is true, but -- >> that even if they didn't know, the fact that we did not trust them enough to clue them in on it, that says a lot, speaks volumes. >> well, we didn't trust a lot of people, clue anybody in. and that's appropriate. when you're running this kind of an operation, you do it on an absolute need to know basis and you really don't stretch that very far. not a lot of people in the united states congress knew. this is not a -- this is not something you run around including lots of people in. >> there was a time a couple of
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years ago where we shared more and tried to trust more, before 9/11, with colin powell and musharraf. >> yes, you're right. and i think over the course of the last year we have run into some difficulties. the relationship has been tested. we had the raymond davis incident. we had some politicians in the country, in their country, in pakistan, grossly exploiting this for their own benefit at the expense of the united states. i think that made a lot of people recoil. and begin to ask some of the questions that you're asking. and the answer is there has been a level of uneasiness in the relationship between the isi and the cia. now that said, pakistan has also allowed us to do a lot. we have been allowed to have a lot of these people on the ground who were able to do some of this tracking and analysis. we have been allowed to do a lot
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of drone strikes, which, up until now, put enormous pressure on al qaeda. i think taking out every single leader of the top 16 leaders or even 17, leaving us with one, two and three, osama bin laden now being number one gone because of the work that we were able to do. so it is a very mixed bag. and i think what we need to do is evaluate it very, very carefully. look appropriately for the answers that americans are owed, and understand exactly how we're going forward in this relationship. i was encouraged by the statement that pakistan made today, maybe that is an indicator of an awareness that the scale has tipped a little bit in this thing. and that they have to make a different set of calculations. >> john kerry on a very important day and a busy day, your first day back, we appreciate your coming and helping put this in context. the chairman of the foreign
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relations committee. and breaking coverage of the death of osama bin laden continues next with senator joe lieberman from the senate homeland security committee chair. and reaction from around the world. al jazeera's washington bureau chief joining us. ♪ [ male announcer ] in 2011, at&t is at work, building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before
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north america. but it is also one of the most important in american history. in the dark days that followed september 11th, we made a solemn commitment to the dead and to the living that we would bring to justice those responsible for killing more than 2900 innocent people. yesterday, osama bin laden found out that america keeps its commitments. today we have come to the site that terrorists atacked in 1993 and again in 2001, to reaffirm our commitments to all those we lost, to the future that we believe in, and to a more peaceful and just world. and we come to say with gratitude for the courageous men and women who made it possible that the forces of freedom and justice have once again prevailed over those who used terror to pursue tyranny. osama bin laden is dead.
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and the world trade center site is teeming with new life. osama bin laden is dead, and lower manhattan is pulsing with new activity. osama bin laden is dead, and new york city's spirit has never been stronger. the construction you see here is a rebuke to those who seek to destroy our freedoms and liberties. nothing will ever return our loved ones, but we are rebuilding from the ashes and tears a monument to the american spirit. new york's way is ever forward, ever skyward. ten terrible years ago, a terrible evil visited this place. today, the spirits that are all around us know some peace and justice. last night's spontaneous celebrations occurred here in lower manhattan, in times square, at the white house, in other places, private homes around the country and the
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world. they were a tribute to the selfless valor and dedication of our armed forces and to those who have worked to prevent terrorist attacks over the past nine and a half years. during that time, new york city's police department has built the most sophisticated counterterrorism operation of any police department in the world. today, as it does every day, commissioner kelly and our counterterrorism experts will adjust their strategies and deploy their resources based on the latest information. as of now, i'm happy to say there are no new immediate threats against our city. but there is no doubt that we remain a top target and the killing of bin laden will not change that. nor will it distract us from a mission that remains our absolute highest priority, defending our city and country against all those who use violence to attack freedom. on behalf of all new york residents, i do want to
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congratulate our commander in chief, all the men and women in our armed forces and our intelligence community for accomplishing this mission. i also want to recognize as president obama did the leadership of his predecessor, president bush, in the days after 9/11, president bush came here to ground zero and stood on the rubble, shoulder to shoulder with our rescue and recovery workers and used a bullhorn to tell the world that we would bring justice to those who attacked our city and our country. he never wavered in that mission. today we are joined by a number of family members who lost loved ones in the 9/11 attacks as well as police commissioner ray kelly, fire department commissioner sal casano and chris warden. i also want to recognize joe daniels, the executive director of the 9/11 memorial and foundation as well as two leaders who played such important roles in helping our
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city and country heal us in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, mayor rudy giuliani, and governor george pataki. i now would like to ask chris ward to say a few words. chris? >> thank you. >> we're joined now by the chairman of the homeland security and government affairs committee, senator joe lieberman. you just heard from the mayor and ground zero is a sacred place for all americans. and for people around the world. but what does this capture of osama bin laden in a suburb of islamabad after all the billions of dollars that we have spent -- sent to pakistan tell us about our relationship? and the fact that either they knew and didn't tell us or we know couldn't trust them enough to even tell them we were going in for this raid? >> well, we don't know the answers to those questions. but those are very real and important questions and they will be asked by members of
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congress with increasing intensity. >> what do you want to know, senator? what is your reaction to this? is it possible that this facility could have been within a mile and a half of their west point and all these neighbors and not know? >> it's a very perplexing question. and i think we're at a point here where the burden of proof, you might say, is on the pakistanis to convince us that they really did not know. it is possible that they did not know. and i suppose that would raise other questions about the skill of their intelligence operation. but, you know, we have had a very complicated relationship with pakistan. on the one hand, they have provided us, i know, with some very important counterterrorism intelligence and assistance. on the other hand, we have reason to believe that some elements of their intelligence service are still all too close
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to actual terrorist groups. and, of course, all along, in past years, the pakistani military intelligence leadership said over and over again, osama bin laden is not in pakistan. he is in -- he's probably in waziristan in the mountains between afghanistan and pakistan. this is a very difficult but very important relationship. the fact is that the overwhelming majority of the pakistani people are not extremists, not islamists, they're mainstream muslims and they want to live a better life. but at the higher levels of some of their intelligence apparatus are people who i think have been playing both sides. and that's got to end if they expect to continue to receive the kind of assistance that the american government and the american taxpayer have been giving them. >> and briefly, do you think that this capture of -- the killing, i should say, rather, of osama bin laden, does this make us safer?
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we have been told for all these years, not only is it in a cave but he's no longer operationally in control, he's a symbolic leaders that others are more threatening like awlaki in yemen. are we safer, are we at some greater threat? >> i think we're safer. i think the whole world is safer and better off with bin laden dead because he, after all, was the inspiration, the propagator of this ideology, that is larger than him, but is the ideology of h islamism that made it into a radical and violent political ideology. i think it is a body blow to the morale of the extremists forces that were associated with him and al qaeda. it is not the end of the war against terror, unfortunately, but it sets them back, it creates momentum for the forces of freedom, both worldwide, here at home in terms of homeland
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security, but also in afghanistan. i think it is a tremendous surge in momentum for us and afghanistan. i'll tell you, if i were the head of the taliban, wherever he is now, we have a pretty good idea of where he is, i would be feeling frightened based on what those navy s.e.a.l.s did in a protected compound, heavily protected compound, yesterday, outside of islamabad. >> homeland security chairman senator joe lieberman, thank you very much. up next, we have politico's mike alan with dramatic new details on the mission to take out the world's most wanted man. [ wind howling ]
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musharraf will not act, we will. >> that was candidate barack obama, the summer of 2007, describing what he would do if going to actionable intelligence on bin laden. after he was elected, he directed the cia's leon panetta to come up with a plan to find the terror leader. it wasn't until last summer that the critical final pieces fell into place. mike alan is chief white house correspondent with politico and has been pouring through all the details talking to your sources. what happened in august that was the critical turning point? >> well, andrea, it had been years that they had been following this courier who was friendly to osama bin laden and took years before they found his name. about two years ago. after that, they were able to follow this courier to this compound, which stuck out like a sore thumb at the end of a dirt road, inexplicable that the pakistani government was not focused on it. and in addition to the high walls and the other interior
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security measures, walls covering their terraces, they noticed this was a million dollar property that did not have either telephone or internet service. so an amazing thing about this raid is that, a, the white house had a mountain of circumstantial evidence but was not sure that bin laden was in there. they never had any telltale sign that it was specifically him. and, b, amazing what the navy s.e.a.l.s accomplished in only 40 minutes on the ground. dropping in, hovering, a heart stopping moment for the people watching in washington, in the situation room, including the president as that helicopter stalled during its approach to the compound. the people watching it started to think of blackhawk down, desert one, past disasters. but very quickly the navy s.e.a.l.s went ahead with the raid, got a backup helicopter, and blew up the one that was sick and headed out of there. 3:30 p.m. eastern time they headed in, 4:15 they were out of
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there. >> mike allen with incredible new details. and there was another heart stopping moment when the choppers were about to cross out of pakistan air space and the pakistanis still not knowing scrambled f-16s, the ones they get from us, not knowing whether they were friend or foe, but got the word and did not try to shoot the helicopters down. a lot of anxiety at the white house. >> yeah. fascinating turn in this operation as it was done completely independently. we didn't see permission from anyone. we didn't loop anyone in. it works fantastically. we can see that again in less than 12 hours, he was buried at sea off the "uss carl vinson". >> thank you so much, mike allen. great to see you, from politico. up next, former obama national security adviser jim jones. how could pakistan's intelligence service not know. and with reaction pouring in from around the world, the scene today in shanksville, pennsylvania, the site of the flight 93 memorial. [ artis brown ] america is facing some tough challenges right now.
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welcome back to "andrea mitchell reports" on an historic day. details continue to emerge about the raid that killed the world's most wanted terrorist. the initial intelligence that started all the wheels turning came last august. general jim jones was president obama's national security adviser at the time of that report and joins us now. and u.s. intelligence followed that trail as we now understand it to a lavish compound less than two miles from pakistan's military barracks. how could pakistan intelligence and the military not have known what was going on practically next door? >> well, it is a little incredible. and my personal view is that they certainly probably were aware of it, for whatever reasons they chose not to disclose it and until perhaps recently, i don't know, because i left the white house about six months ago. but it does raise a lot of
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questions, no doubt about that. >> what are the policy implications if we can't trust them enough to clue them in on this raid or if they knew about it, had their suspicions and didn't share them as we're now told, at least by the officials briefing us? >> the administration, since day one, with pakistan, i think, has really bent over backwards to be -- to build trust and confidence between the two countries. we have teaken a regional, strategic approach with afghanistan, pakistan and india. we have been good with all three countries. we have paid for our efforts with our most precious treasure, that's the blood and sweat of our young men and women in uniform and serving in our civilian capacities and our contractors and just the whole approach that we have taken has been to convince the pakistani government and especially the military that we are a trusted
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ally, we have a strategic vision, we want better days for the people of pakistan. we have been generous in our military hardware, but also generous in our humanitarian aid when required, and just seems to me that it would be a good time for pakistan to finally decide to turn the corner and grasp the hand of friendship that has been extended to them in so many ways. >> and if they don't? >> well, if they don't, it makes life a little bit more difficult. it certainly makes afghanistan a little bit more difficult. if there is another attack on our shores, in our cities, and perhaps even those of our allies that stem from pakistan and pakistan has been talked to politely, firmly, decisively, convincingly, that this is the interest of pakistan to make sure that these safe havens that
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cause so much concern for all of us are eliminated and they can do their part. i thought, actually, about a year ago in south waziristan, that they had started, but they have to do more and they have to embrace the idea that there is a much better future, not only with us, but with the rest of the world if, in fact, they join the conclusively join the war against terrorist bases on their soil. >> and they so far, have not. >> i'm not convinced. i think as i said they have done some good things. i very much enjoyed my time as national security adviser with my interlocutors over there. but there was always -- i always had the impression there was just not that -- they haven't crossed that threshold to make that commitment. we all understand some of the reasons why or why they think that is. but it really is, i think, a moment in time now where pakistan, for its own good,
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should make that decision and as i said grasp the extended hand that the administration and other countries have offered them over the last couple of years. >> general jim jones, great to see you. thank you very much, sir. thanks for joining us today. >> thank you for having me on. and while americans and many allies celebrate the death of osama bin laden, in the arab world there is a mix of relief and some anger over the killing. for more on all the reaction to this news, we're joined by abdaleen fukara. good to see you again. let's talk about the reaction. how would you assess the general reaction around the world, in the arab world? >> well, there has been a diversity of it, many governments have hailed the development as a historic one and praised the administration of president obama. remember, that al qaeda has killed people not just in the united states, but across the
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arab and muslim world. but there is also been some skepticism, remember that people have been hearing about bin laden and the chase, the bin laden chase in that part of the world since 9/11 and a lot of people have by saying, come on, be serious, it takes how many years, how many decades does it take to track somebody like osama bin laden. even before the so-called arab spring, the people demonstrating for freedom and democracy, many people started shrugging about what happens to bin laden or what the u.s. does with him. >> there is facial recognition system, the body has been buried at sea, specifically to avoid creating some kind of iconic landmark that would attract -- become a focus for future terrorists. is that persuasive or does it
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matter? >> i mean, anything that -- almost anything, almost anything that successive u.s. administrations have said about bin laden has been viewed with a lot of skepticism. remember, after 9/11 at that time the bush administration went to the muslim world and said this is the evidence that he did it and showing it. >> so many people will not be -- >> some people will not be persuaded. with this one, having dumped his body at sea that will raise more questions than settle questions. >> will there be a counterreaction where people are angry and even -- become more anti-american as a result? >> people who want to be anti-american will find this an occasion to express their anti-american sentiment or more of it. across the board, with what happened in tunisia and egypt, signs of hope that the arab and muslim world is moving in a different direction, i think quite frankly the reaction,
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long-term, is not going to be anything significant. people will continue this rushr their shoulder over it. >> thank you for joining us. leon panetta warned his team that al qaeda will almost likely retaliate for bin laden's death. ken pollock is director of the sa vaughn center for middle east policy at brookings and serves as an analyst with the cia in the past. do you think it really matters in terms of the threat who -- whether or not we got bin laden? does it matter or is the real threat now in yemen and elsewhere, dispersed around the world? >> yeah, it certainly does matter. let's not lose sight of the fact that this was a very inspirational figure, very charismatic, he had become basically the face of arab resistance. but you're also right to focus on the point that bin laden had -- his actual role, his operational capacity diminished remarkably to the point where he really was simply a symbolic
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figure head. >> are we sure of that? we were wrong about where he is. we thought he was up in waziristan. he was in a cave somewhere and he was in a suburb of islamabad in a million dollar compound. are we wrong about whether or not he was still operational? >> well, andrea, i would love to be wrong about that one and would love it if all of the intelligence communities around the world were wrong about that one. if he was the operational genius continuing to pull all of the different strands and his death is going to completely unravel the al qaeda network, we would all be better off. i think the evidence we have indicates he was actually quite successful in creating these franchises, in bringing in a whole variety of disparate groups into his wider al qaeda network, in creating cells that were able to operate independently and as a result, it all suggests that, again, while his death is not unimportant, because he was a symbol, and because it will probably be harder for al qaeda to recruit without him, never
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theless we shouldn't assume the whole network is going to crumble. >> who replaces him? >> i think that's a great question. but the obvious person to do so is ayman al zawahiri, an egyptian, who has been his deputy for many years. he's also the formerly the head of a group called egyptian islamic jihad. we should recognize that bin laden death, while not unimportant is not nearly as important as the changes going on. ayman al zawahiri spent many years trying to overthrow hosni mubarak. only when he failed did he go and join bin laden as part of al qaeda. and what that says is that if the current wave of democratization sweeping the region if that succeeds and creates stable democracies, al qaeda will wither on the vine. if that fails, if the revolutions go bad, they go wrong or if they're repressed, then al qaeda will likely get new sustenance, new resources, new recruits regardless of
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i'm tamron hall. coming up on "newsnation," jay carney is about to hold a briefing any minute from now. we may learn more about the intelligence that led to the dramatic raid on that compound in pakistan. and the eventual killing of osama bin laden. plus, new questions about how much pakistan knew about the terror leader's whereabouts and now u.s. senator among others are calling on pakistan to prove it did not know bin laden was
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hiding out 60 miles from islamabad. and more on the elite highly trained unit of the navy s.e.a.l.s who went in and killed osama bin laden. all of that and more on "newsnation." the raid has big implications for u.s. intelligence and foreign policy including the u.s. relationship with pakistan. congressman mike rogers is the chairman of the house permanent select committee on intelligence and joins us now. thank you for joining us. first of all, how many al qaeda leaders do you think are left in pakistan and how do we go after them? >> well, you know, they're pretty good about promoting. we have been very good about demoting, if you will, taking them out of the picture. but there is probably some guesses are 12 to 20 different level -- type of levels of leadership. so people who could finance, people who could run training operations, who could plan operations. so it is still a significant threat for us. specifically in the tribal
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areas, but also in other places of the world, you think of yemen, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, he's been pretty successful. so we have got other threats all going all at the same time. >> in the past, you suggested that the administration was guilty of conducting lawfare instead of warfare, you needed general patton, not elliott nest to go after the bad guys. are you persuaded that this president knows how to be general patton? >> well, today really is the day to talk about our differences. this is a day to celebrate all of the intelligence services, this information started four years ago under the bush administration, carried through through the obama administration and slowly but surely our intelligence services pieced this puzzle together to finally find this compound and take action on it. there are still lots of room for discussions about interrogation and the value of it and i argue that this clearly demonstrates
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that interrogation is a valuable tool. it is not the only tool, but it is a valuable tool to get pieces of information that end up putting a noose around pretty bad guys. we're going to have that discussion, but note today that this was a victory for the united states and our national security team, all of them, our military, our intelligence services, and the president for making the decision to go ahead with the raid, all of those are good outcomes today. >> would you consider cutting off foreign aid to pakistan if they don't start delivering real intelligence and proving that they can be trusted? >> well, listen, nobody has been harder on pakistan than me. the holding diplomat in violation of international law for 42 days may be some leaks that were going out early in the campaign, in the early part of the decade from their isi services. but we have to remember this, there is still some counterterrorism needs we have. mutually beneficial between pakistan and the united states
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that really are important to both of us. and yes, we need to be tough for them, yes, i want to know more answers about what did you actually know about osama bin laden's whereabouts and what more can you do to support this war on terror? remember, their interests and our interests aren't really aligned in this fight. so to get the things that we do is a constant discussion and negotiation and really battle amongst ourselves here to get this thing right. so hard questions, yes. i would be very careful about saying we're going to throw them overboard, given how many other targets that are really critical for us to go after. >> what surprised you or shopped you most when leon panetta called you to brief you on this operation? >> well, i was briefed as chairman. this has been ongoing. to the very first week i became chairman of the intelligence committee, i happened to be at the cia and they walked me through what we knew and what all the information we had up to that point, so this has been a long time in the making.
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and to the intelligence committee and leon panetta's credit and others, the level of certainty wasn't quite there early on in january. knew it was an important place. we had lots of good information that someone really important was there. but they built it up. when we got the -- we knew -- including, by the way, in the last couple of months, talking about the different types of options for us to go in and do something about osama bin laden. the one that was picked wasn't the only one planned. and so all of that was discussed. so with the president finally giving the go ahead, when that intelligence reached the certainty that we were all very certain that that was osama bin laden, i was clearly ready for it. and i'm incredibly proud of the men and women of the intelligence community and our special forces folks who went in and did the raid. >> and they did it in a fairly risky way. they could have just gone in with a drone and not put our lives at stake, but they got a body, proof of death. >> absolutely. that was something -- andrea, as
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you that was all discussed. what happens if you just drop the bomb versus sending our forces in? so all of that was very thoughtful, very inclusive, i have to say as a republican member of the intelligence committee and the chairman, very included in this operation and the way i think it should be for our national security. >> okay. thank you very much, chairman mike rogers, the house intelligence committee. what political story will now be making headlines in the next 24 hours? that's next right here. for pain? oh, bayer aspirin?
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so which political story will be making headlines in the next 24 hours? msnbc contributor and managing editor of chris cillizza joins us. the president has got the house leaders and senate leaders coming to dinner, so you know they're going to be talking about that tonight and we're going to be talking about that tomorrow. i'm fascinated by the fact that there was a neighbor next to this compound tweeting, live tweeting during the raid and his twitter name is@really virtual.
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and he's tweeting next to this compound. helicopter hovering above abbottabad at 1:00 a.m. it's a rare event. go away helicopter before i take out my giant swatter. a huge window shaking bang here in abbottabad. i hope it's not the start of something nasty. oh oh, now i'm the guy who live blogged the osama raid without knowing it. this is supposed to be a guy in a cave and he's in a suburban mansion. >> in the many things that have changed in our culture is twitter. and i will tell you, the thing that i was most sort of struck by in watching this all unfold last night, these real-time breaking news stories, is the influence that twitter had. the information that was coming through. this is an extreme example, someone who witnessed this across the world. it took a minute, i was with my son, i have a 2-year-old son,
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you know this, i have a 2-year-old son, my wife and i were sitting and reflecting, my son has never nobody known a world in which everything that went with september 11th didn't exist, nerves about getting on an airplane, fears of if we're safe. you know, this is a remarkable book end to that era. it's hard to overestimate its impact. politically and otherwise i would say. >> one hopes and prays that it really is a book end and that at least there is some salutory effect. thank you. that does it for us for this edition of "ana -- andrea mitchell reports." tomorrow congressman steve israel. tamron hall has a look at what's next on "news nation." >> hi there. jay carney is expected to hold a briefing where we could learn even more details on the takedown of osama bin laden. plus, details on the u.s.
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senator who is now calling on pakistan to prove it did not know bin laden was hiding out just 60 miles from islamabad. a lot of questions still lingering. "news nation" is just moments away. i can't enjoy my own barbecue with these nasal allergies.
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good day, everyone. i'm tamron hall. the "news nation" is following breaking news . we will hear from jay carney on the latest developments on the killing of osama bin laden. members of the homeland security and the armed services committee say that pakistan must prove it did not know the whereabouts of osama bin laden. we will likely hear more about this important question from jay carney. this is just one of the aspects in this breaking story regarding the killing of the terror leader. in the last few hours intelligence officials said that dna analysis proved the man killed in the raid and buried at sea was bin laden. let's listen in to jay carney.