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years a slave. in theaters friday october 18th. seriously, go see it. take the people you love. that's all for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> thank you to you at home for joining us this hour. in the 1994, nfl draft. first round of the draft that year, the washington redskins drafted a very, very promise young quarterback out of the university of tennessee. his name was heath shuler. redskins at the time were they terrible team in the nfl. picking somebody good as heath shuler, somebody expected to be as good as heath shuler was expected to be. the way the redskins were going to turn their frown upside down. heath shuler not enough to overcome the curse they put on themselves when they decided to dig in their heels and not change their racist name.
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i'm kidding. it's not actually a curse. actually, how would i know? though the redskins signed up heath shuler for a long contract. signing him up to pay him something like $20 million. he really never did anything for them of note. except that one time he threw five interceptions in one game. so never really did anything for the redskins. left the redskins. went to the new orleans saints. never did anything for them either. then he went to the oakland raiders where he did nothing for them. then heath shuler finally just decided to stuff all his remaining money into a duffel bag and washed out of the league. when he washed out of the nfl he made his way to western north carolina. and within about 30 seconds of moving there, heath shuler announce heed was going to run for congress as a democrat. interesting. his district in north carolina, was pretty centrist district. not impossible for a democrat to get elected there. more than 40% democrats in the district he got elected. including liberal college town of asheville, north carolina.
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all and all, the west, this western north carolina district. 11th district. big district. relatively rural south. for heath shuler to run there and win there, he had to run as a conservative. he ran as a democrat but as a conservative democrat. anti-gay rights, pro gun rights, anti-abortion. one of the highest profile members of the conservative blue dog democratic caucus. at one point, heath shuler refused to say he would vote for nancy pelosi as leader of the democrats in the house. asked who might be a better alternative, he suggested himself. so heath shuler got elected in 2006. re-elected in 2008. re-elected in 2010. in 2010 that was a big year. a census year and the year of the big republican takeover coast to coast. and what republicans did with the census data and control of state government in north carolina was that they redrew heath shuler's congressional district. so that no democrat, no matter how conservative could ever get elected in that district again.
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that little liberal college town, asheville, north carolina, they just carved much of it out of the district. the proportion of democratic voters dropped by 7 points in the district. they created the most republican district in the entire state. so tough guy that he is, heath shuler quit. rather than defend the seat he had been holding for six years he dropped out. gave it up. the new deep red guaranteed seat he used to represent went instead to this guy. >> you know it is interesting when the more we find out the more we realize how wrong the direction we are going. so what we are going to do is take back our country, 2012, is the time that we are going to send mr. obama home to kenya or wherever it is. we are going to do it. >> send him home to kenya! or wherever it is. that is now congressman mark meadows of north carolina campaigning there in western
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north carolina in summer 2012. in the district that used to be heath shuler's district. now the most republican district in the whole state. and now belongs to mark meadows. mark meadows elected past november. sworn in in january. by this summer, as a freshman congressman who never held public office before. benefiting from a right red district drawn for him. newb irkts e. >> /* -- newbie, congressman, mark meadows who thinks president obama is from kenya started circulating this letter demanding republicas who thinks president obama is from kenya started circulating this letter demanding republican ouse speaker john boehner shut down the government. mark meadows' strategy in the document is the strategy that republicans followed that indeed got us the government shutdown we have which is in its seventh day.
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the mark meadows letter had a demand in it. and it was, demand that was not addressed to democrats in the house or democrats in the senate or president obama or anybody else who you think would be on the opposite side of a mark meadows demand letter. no the demand was actually made to republican house speaker john boehner. the letter essentially said, i mark meadows and republican members of congress who signed on to the letter with me demand that you, john boehner shut down the government. make the funding of the federal government contingent on getting health reform. getting rid of health reform. and if president obama does not agree to get rid of health reform. if he does not agree to that. shut down the government. we demand that you follow this strategy. it is amazing to think that a brand new freshman member of congress with no national profile. no additional position of power, no influence beyond his seat could get 80 members of congress to sign on to a letter look that. what is more amazing conservative groups started running targeted advertisements against 100 other republicans who did not sign on to the mark meadow's letter. impressive, right? this guy who nobody had ever heard of last year is punching really, really far above his weight. >> you know it is interesting. the more we find out, the more we realize how wrong the
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direction we're going. so what we are going to do is take back our country 2012, is the time that we are going to send mr. obama home, to kenya or wherever it is. we are going to do it. >> send him home to kenya. turns out that -- relatively random congressman, that send obama back to kenya guy, who nobody had ever heard of, is now, an out of nowhere force in congress who is apparently leading the shutdown strategy in the house. turns out that has the less to do with him being an unusually effective member of congress than it does with the company that he has been keeping on the right. because congressman, mark meadows, may be the visible head of this effort to get the government shut down on the house side. but he is not alone. he is just the most visible part of a plan that has been in the works for a long time. with a lot of people who you will have heard of if you never heard of him. remember last spring, the robert draper book that came out about republicans in the obama era. the book made waves. led with the bombshell opening
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scene of what, republicans in washington did on inauguration night when president obama was first sworn in. the very first day that he was president of the united states, on the day president obama was sworn in 2009, republicans held a meeting at a restaurant in washington, d.c., that night, where they made their plans to block every single thing he wanted to accomplish as president. and to make his presidency a failure. even before he had done anything except become president. republicans had already started an overt strategy of opposition no matter what he opposed. after president obama was inaugurated the second time, there was a similar meeting in washington for republicans to plan their second term anti-obama strategy. and the second term anti-obama strategy meeting right after the president was sworn in, was for a government shutdown. the meeting convened at an undisclosed location some where on capitol hill. and it was led by the radical reagan era attorney general, ed
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meese. and their demand. plan from the beginning. buzz the government should be shut down. no funding of the federal government. unless president obama agreed to repeal health reform. "the new york times" reported this, this weekend. how more than three dozen conservative groups joined forces on the shutdown strategy at the very start of the second term. although that initial meeting was convened by ed meese, what the time pieces together is many of the people involved and much of the money in the shutdown effort goes back to these guys, charles and david koch. activist brothers billionaires because they inherited a company from their dad. will they be heading into the the week two of the shutdown without the $200 million the group spent, building and conservative organizations demanding a shutdown? would the civil war inside the republican party have petered
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out by now in a way less harmful to the country if koch brothers funding were not propping up all these conservative organizations that are running the ads and demanding ideological purity and telling members of congress they cannot bend, cannot wuss out or compromise or else there will be hell to pay. who knows what mess the republican party would have gotten itself into by now if it were not for the well funded conservative infrastructure fueling the fight that has ensnared the country. but that is where we are right now. with the even worse shutdown prospect of the debt ceiling looming in the next ten days. the "boston globe" on friday, the middle of all this, publish ed a nice puff piece on david koch. the occasion was a new child care center for people that work at m.i.t. at cambridge, massachusetts. with this child care center, they double the number of day care slots available for
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employees on campus. now the reason mit got this child care center and all the new slots for child care on campus is because david koch, personally was moved by the plight of these young parents. 2 1/2 years ago biology researchers were discussing their work with an outside advisory committee. what could help you in your job they were asked? one simple answer from the women in the room. child care. david koch, billionaire philanthropist and mit graduate known as much for his conservative aktism and jen rossry have attended dozens of meetings but never before been so moved. david koch said, quote, i got a tear in my eye. david koch decided there and there he would spend $20 million on a child care center for m.i.t. quote, i've never seen a group of people speak with such passion and disappointment that a problem existed and it wasn't being fixed, mr. koch said. we would miss out on outstanding researchers if they didn't have
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proper facilities for their children. so so because those particular people who needed proper facilities for their children were lucky enough to have a personal audience with david koch able to explain the need face to face in a way that made david koch cry. he opened checkbook, swiveled wrist and took care if their problem and put his name on the mit child care center in so doing. at the same time. david koch and brother and their many affiliates are spending ten times that amount to fund a nationwide network of organizations that has forced the closing of kids' preschool programs which are in fact also child care programs for those kids' parents because those kids' parents also need proper facilities for their children just like the mit employees who made david koch cry. this is not to take away from the great news, for the parents of the 126 infants and toddlers and preschoolers whose parents who work at mit and will matter to david koch when me meets
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them face to face. if your parents don't work at mit. david koch and his brother have a different message. funded at ten times the amount. on saturday the day after the david koch puff piece in the "boston globe," north carolina congressman, mark meadows talked to his hometown press. they started asking him about a starring role. and forcing the shutdown of the government. congressman meadows acknowledged demanding the shutdown. and pushing for the defunding of obama care or the shutdown of the government if it didn't happen. then he said do i ever want to be blamed for a shutdown? the answer is no. for me i picture every single person that could potentially be affected. he said it just breaks my heart. every story i get of adverse impact from the shutdown just tears at my heart. but do i want to be blamed for a shutdown president? answer is no. so david koch has a tear in his eye for families without child
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care. for specific families without child care. mark meadows the congressman that demanded the shutdown from john boehner says the shut down breaks his heart but he doesn't want to be blamed. go ahead and ask santa for that and see what you get under the treatment i'm not sure it work everywhere in the country. maybe it works for you at home. joining us the washington bureau chief for the huffington post. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> let me put the same question to you. is the strategy not mark meadows strategy, the strategy more broadly to try to escape blame for the shutdown, while continuing to, to ensure that it keeps going on? >> well, i think you have to be careful using the word "strategy" in relation to what republicans are doing right here. i think meadows and a lot of the tea partiers and ted cruz, they had a strategy. and their strategy led them to this point.
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they don't have any strategy going forward. repeal obama care is not an actual strategy. that's not going to happen. republican leadership never wanted to get to this point. so, this isn't their strategy either. that is kind of what is upsetting the political balance here. the people who now have the responsibility for getting out of this jam, didn't want to be in it in the first place. so, you know -- it's -- at this, at this point -- it's, really difficult to see exactly where this goes. because of that. >> ryan, if they did want to end the shut down. if somebody, some magic shift in the political wind made them decide that, it would be a good idea to end the shutdown. some external event or something. do you have the sense that they would know how to do it? that they would be able to put one foot in front of the other to keep the lights on or turn them back on? >> it's not obvious at this point. that they would, that they would know how to do it. they're really spitballing right now. i mean, they're, they're flying
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totally blind. the hope that, the boehner camp has at this point is that, maybe if they could do something short term that would bring, bring the white house off to the negotiating table. because they really think that the position that the white house has, that they're refuse to negotiate is ultimately. untenable. we only have two weeks left until we hit the debt ceiling. so, it is really hard to figure out how you go in practice from where we are here out of this. >> we heard president obama today, not just repeating his call for the house stew vote on -- on a -- on a -- clean budget agreement to reopen the government without having attached policy riders and things on it. he has been saying that all along. today it got more pointed with him essentially saying, listen, you said you don't have the votes. i will prove to you that you do. if you put that, if you put that
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clean funding bill on the floor it will pass. it was, it was interesting to see the white house get so overt and have the president himself say that directly today. any reaction to that on the hill you can discern? >> so the reaction from republican leadership is why are you trying to put us in this corner? boehner could put a clean cr on the floor and ask everybody to vote against it and a lot of them would. and then he could go back to the white house and say, look you asked me to put it on the floor. they voted against it. now there are two dozen, probably, actually, 25 now, republicans who have, either told reporters in the capitol or told their local papers that they would support a clean cr. but, when it actually comes to it, they, they might actually not. so, so, boehner is, is thinking then, okay, why are you trying to jam me in to this corner here? you know, i didn't want to be here in the first place. and i am not, i am not going to cave to you. i want you to, i want you to come to the negotiating table. and, and, work this out.
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so, you know, they, they feel like they're not being treated fairly. they feel like obama is partly to blame for the tea party because he is the one that passed obama care. obama care was, was according to them, an overreach. because it was an overreach. that created the tea party. therefore he needs to deal with the situation that he helped create. this is, i mean this is actually. the kind of place -- that, that that we are at in terms of the way that, that they're interacting with each other. >> how dare you obama, create my hatred of you so much. wow, amazing. asking people to account for their own enemies. ryan grimm, washington chief of the huffington post. weird, weird stuff you are covering. >> getting weirder. >> every day. long proposed house speaker john boehner is just bad at his job. doesn't mean he is a bad guy. just means he is not up to the job he has got to do. that hypothesis was fully developed on the show before he
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the shutdown would end today. call a vote. call a vote. put it on the floor. and let every individual member of congress make up their own minds. >> ever since the country entered shutdown mode, president obama has been pushing that message. take a vote. he has been calling on house speaker john boehner to bring up for a vote what everybody is calling a clean cr. that just means money to fund the government without strings attached to other policy things like getting rid of health reform or whatever. on the first day of the shut down. the president spoke in the rose garden and called for the house to hold an up or down vote on a clean budget. saw him there in maryland late last week calling, calling on house speaker john boehner, calling him out by name, calling again for an up or down vote on a clean budget. today, speaker at the headquarters of fema, the president challenged speaker
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boehner again to hold a vote. vote on it. straight up budget bill to end the government shutdown. >> truth of the matter is there are enough republican and democratic votes in the house of representatives right now to end the shutdown. immediately, with no partisan strings attached. the house should hold the vote today. if republicans and speaker boehner are saying there are not enough votes. then they should prove it. let the bill go to the floor. let's see what happens. just vote. >> just vote. prove it. the reason the president keeps asking republicans to just hold a vote on the budget, a budget that aims to just be a budget and not legislation defunding health reform or something, the reason the president wants the house to vote on a clean budget is math. very easy math. there are 232 republicans in the house. they are the majority. there are 200 democrats. there are three vacant house seats. altogether we have 432 representatives in the house. so, the math. 432 divided by 2, carry the 1, 216. in order for something to pass
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the house it need one more than 216 votes. it need 216 plus 1 which is 217. it need 217 votes. 217 a majority in the house. what you need to reopen the government. president obama says the clean version of the budget has that majority. he is arguing that all the democrats would vote for it and republicans get it passed to reopen the government. john boehner said that is not true. he said the math doesn't work. he said he doesn't have enough votes. >> i take it from your answer you are not prepared to schedule a clean vote on government funding right now? >> there are not the votes in the house to pass a clean cr. >> what he is saying there are not 217 members of the house who will vote for a budget. who will vote for a budget without trying to get rid of obamacare or something. he says he cannot get to 217. let's help him count. over the weekend. 195 democrats signed a letter
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asking john boehner to schedule a vote. we know. they would sign their names. 195 votes to start with, just from democrats for a clean budget. need 217. start at 195. so, we're going to count this up for the speaker in case it is helpful. start with 195. we have 195 democratic votes. a bunch of republicans in the past few days would vote with the democrats to end the shutdown and pass a clean budget. starting with 195. let's add representative pat meehan. he put out a statement saying it was time for the house to vote for a clean, short-term funding bill. that gets us to 196. very civil congressman, scott rigell tweeted. time for a clean cr. that's 197. new jersey, john runyan supports that as well. congressman, mike fitzpatrick. said, kwoeft, i was sent to
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washington to solve problems, not shut it down. up to 199. remember these are all republicans in the house who would vote with democrats to pass a clean budget. lou barletta of pennsylvania told his local paper he would absolutely support a clean bill. 200 already. peter king told national review he would not vote for anything but a clean budget bill. 201. congressman charlie dent told the huffington post he was prepared to vote for of a clean cr. one more on the list. congressman, frank wolf of virginia said, "it's time to govern." that brings us to 203. and congressman, michael grimm confirmed he supports a clean budget vote. that is 204. eric paulton said he would vote for a clean budget. and frank lobiondo supporting a clean budget. that brings us to 207. randy forbes of virginia said he would vote for a clean bill.
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jim gerlach, a statement said the same. congressman leonard lance's office told the "huffington post" he was not opposed to voting for a clean budget, which is another way of saying he would vote for a clean budget. florida congressman bill young told a reporter that he support aid clean budget. congressman, mario diaz barlart also of florida, told the miami herd he'd happily vote for a clean bill. 217. richard hanna is for it. 214. tim griffin of arkansas 215. representative don young from alaska said he would vote for a clean budget. that means 216. and florida's own representative. dennis ross, who wrote an op-ed in the tampa bay times explaining why he supports the government without trying to end health care. congressman ross brings us to -- ♪
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breaking news on the impact of the shutdown. not very much clarity how specifically members of the military, military families and veterans would be affected. a lot of worry, but so many moves by the congress around the issue it hasn't been clear. well we have news tonight from the spokeswoman from the veterans affairs department. it is bad news. the va announcing tonight that veterans regional offices will be closed starting tomorrow morning and nobody will answer the phones at veterans regional offices across the country as of tomorrow. this is due to knew furloughs of 7,000 employees of the veterans benefits administration. there were an additional nearly 3,000 furloughs tuesday at the va office of information technology. the va is also warning that if the government shutdown doesn't end through the last two weeks of october that could result in
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delays of the next round of benefits payments including disability compensation, gi bill living stipends and survivors and veterans and families starting with the november 1 payments. so we have not had clarity on military families, active duty troops an veterans and their families, but this news tonight from the veterans affairs department spokeswoman is bad news. we'll keep you posted. when does your work end? does it end after you've expanded your business? after your company's gone public?
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website not from online attack, experts say. they really were just getting so much legitimate traffic that it looked like somebody was hacking them. nobody was hacking them. by the end of the week, conservative republican texas congressman decided yes maybe there were traffic on the different exchange websites, but he, congressman michael burgess had figured out the reason why. >> i'm convinced the affordable health care law is a bad thing, and if so, why are so many people jamming the websites to get more information to find out if they qualify for this care? >> i think if you subtract out members of congress and their staff and reporters who called in those first 48 hours the numbers will be considerably lower. >> ah, see if it wasn't hackers it was members of congress and reporters. that's what explains all the traffic. millions of people went to the health exchange websites on the first day they were open something like nine million people by friday. by this weekend the main federal
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state covers 36 states and others had been taken down for maintenance in the off-peak hours, adding additional capacity to deal with unexpectedly high volume and also fixing some design issues that made the site glitchier than it need to be. this week, health secretary kathleen sebelius promotes the rollout, to encourage people to sign up for insurance coverage or learn what their options are under newt law. the rollout this week will include an event at heinz field in pittsburgh with the steelers owner and some retired players, and other steely mcbeam, they're doing enrollment fair at heinz field people can learn about their options and sign up for health insurance. this thing echoes the rollout effort in massachusetts from five years ago when the boston red sox and fenway park were a big part of the publicity effort in that state to get massachusetts residents to seen sign up for health insurance under romney care. nobody really calls it romney
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care, but in massachusetts it is a version of obama care and it's working very well, thank you very much. republicans are doing everything they can to make this current effort at national health reform not work. republicans in the senate even wrote to all the national sports leagues trying to tell them to not do what the red sox did in massachusetts five years ago. senate republicans threatened all the sports leagues that they had better not get caught trying to make this health insurance thing work. they better not get caught encouraging people to get health insurance. the republicans would hold it against the teams and the leagues. but the rollout is happening. the law is in effect. the exchanges are open. opening. and every glitch, every delay, delights the republicans. but it is happening. joining us now from the interview, kathleen sebelius, secretary of health and human services, implementing the affordable care act, thank you for being here. >> nice to be here with you, rachel. >> in your own terms, from your own perspective. how would you assess the rollout of the exchanges?
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>> well i think the exciting thing is that we are having a rollout of the affordable care act. the final piece of implementation is here. what we are seeing is -- unprecedented interest across the country. people calling on, the toll free hot line which is open 24/7. we have had over 600,000 calls. we have had, over 10 million hits to the website. we have -- thousand of people setting up accounts and, shopping, simultaneously, so, there is clearly a lot of pent up desire for the website. you are right, we have had some issues about volume, driving a difficulty of people getting in. so we are taking it seriously. the -- wait time is down -- today over where it was yesterday. and the day before. we wanted to be as easy to use as possible. as seamless as possible. and we are confident that every day is getting a lot better. but the interest is there. the product is there. we have companies for the first time ever in the history of the
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united states, competing for the business of individual policy holders. they can't block them. because of the pre-existing condition. they can't medically underwrite their condition. can't put a lifetime limit on their benefits. they have to play by a new set of rules. that its a brand new day for millions of americans. >> seems the volume issues are heartening. it means there are pent up demand and people want this. it also seems to me like it should have been expected you. guys did actually do a pretty good job of publicizing, what day one was going to be and what to do on day one. and so that initial flood, i feel like if you want to try to get over people's suspicions that government can't administer anything right and that's why they're suspicious of health reform because it has something to do with the government administering the exchanges, having the exchanges be glitchy day one, not just growing pains, not just a problem of volume, but a messaging problem for the law overall.
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>> would i have liked a much smoother rollout, you bet. i think the great news is we have 26 weeks of open enrollment. and this is -- in some ways like the kayak of health plans which has never been together before. unlike kayak, we won't sell out of the product. and the price doesn't change. so, day one, the prices are the same. as the end of the rollout. march 31st. we are eager to have people come take a look. lots of folks need to learn about insurance. they have never had insurance. they need to see what is a available for themselves and their families. six out of 10 eligible folks are going to find a plan for under $100 a month. very affordable coverage. and for the first time have the kind of health security that many of us take for granted. >> in terms of the way this is rolling out, and obviously, every state is different. there is, three dozen states that have the federal government either running their exchanges or running some part of their
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exchanges. like 14 states. d.c. are doing their own. >> 17. >> 17. >> okay. is there -- are there additional challenges for you, in trying to make sure this -- this new law works for the country? to be having to simultaneously deal with states embracing it. states that are rejecting it and fighting every step of the way. what are the challenges in the state like texas for example. >> again, a lot of the states. were running federal marketplace. some of the less -- enthusiastic states at the governor's level. haven't embraced it. given a lot of misinformation. people get up every morning not sure the law applies to them. one of the reasons we have been heartened by the flood of people to the website. because somehow that information is getting through in spite of the best, you know, efforts of the opposition to stop it. i think what we have seen though is incredible support on the ground. mayors in cities across this country are wildly enthusiastic, are mobilizing outreach
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enrollment effort. we have faith leaders. we have health care providers, disease groups, parents, health care advocates. so there is a -- mobilization on the ground. and that's another point that, yes, people can go off to the website. health again, it is getting faster. we are done to very low wait times. we are building capacity each of the nights. more hardware. more engineers. but there is also a toll-free call-in number. open 24/7. answering in 150 languages. enroll on the phone. there are people in neighborhood, around the country. every federal health center has outreach and enrollment people. there are trained community volunteers who are able, one-on-one, to walk folks through an application. so we anticipated that people would need help on the phone, on line, in person, and -- and are building that into the process. >> to get coverage by january 1, the deadline is november,
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december 15th. by which you have to be signed up. >> government coverage. >> the soonest, is january 1st. that requires a december signup. >> kathleen sebelius, our nation's secretary of health and human services. good luck with this, for the task that you have at hand the faster this works the better off the country is going to be. >> i agree with you. >> thanks very much. we'll be right back. ♪
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>> on may 1, 2003, the president of the united states put on a flight suit and got into a navy jet. they had him sitting there in the plane as the jet did a tailhook landing on to the deck of an aircraft carrier sitting offshore off the coast of san diego. they painted the president's name on the side of the plane. showing where he was sitting when they did that landing. and they let him play land the jet on board that carrier. then the president hopped off the plane and he walked around the place for a while. showing off the flight suit with his helmet under his arm. he took a lot of pictures and stuff. before he went to change into a regular presidential suit and tie. so he could deliver a speech standing under a banner that said "mission accomplished."
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>> my fellow americans, major combat operations in iraq have ended. >> that was six weeks into the iraq war. when then-president george w. bush declared victory and said the war in iraq was over. the war this iraq went on 8 1/2 years after. that one interesting note about that day on the uss abraham lincoln and president bush dressing up in the flight suit, one interesting note lost in history is on the day that president bush was making the highest of all high-profile, terribly wrong pronouncements about victory had been achieved in iraq and major combat operations were over. on that same day, a few hours earlier, he had his defense secretary also declare that major combat operations were noefr the other war, in afghanistan, same day. while george w. bush was fake landing a jet in san diego to declare we won the iraq war, donald rumsfeld was in kabul
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simultaneously saying we won the afghanistan war. it too was over. that was may 2003. a year later, president bush declared victory in afghanistan. this time they had the president do it himself. >> coalition forces including many brave afghanss have brought america, afghanistan and the free world its first victory in the war on terror. >> victory declared by the president. major combat in afghanistan declared over in may 2003. that declaration of victory from president bush was june 2004. of course now we're still there. the longest war in u.s. history is still going on. it was 12 years ago today the first u.s. forces launched the initial invasion of afghanistan. that means that today is day one of year 13 of the longest war in american history. day one of year 13 of a war that politicians declared to be over
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almost a decade ago. more than 50,000 americans are serving in afghanistan right now tonight. the worst recent attack on troops in afghanistan in terms of loss of life is this past weekend when four american soldiers were killed by an ied. secretary hagel recalled hundreds of thousands of civilian employees of the defense department back to work. they had been furloughed baze of the government shutdown but he called them back to work. we have had political skirmishes and fights in the past including shutdowns of the federal government but before this one we have never, ever, ever as a nation had a government shutdown at a time of war. yes, bush and rumsfeld declared the war over a decade early but the war is not over. it is 12 years old today and counting. thanks to the shut down. the soldiers fighting in afghanistan tonight are rewarded
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him as the anti-abortion, anti-contraception, super anti-gay social conservative action activist. the supreme court had to go out of its way on the first day in session today to remind everyone that he is the guy who's been fighting all of this time to save virginia's sodomy law. sodomy. google search his name and you will find sodomy is the first thing that pops up. then the supreme court quashed his save the sodomy laws campaign today. that is earning new headlines about him and sodomy. it is not just good for him in the election. also not good for ken in the headlines is ted cruz. he used to love ted cruz. used to sound like a great idea, i'm sure. wow, ted cruz. think we can get him to come virginia and get him to do an
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event with ken. that would be so cool until ted cruz became the guy that kicked off the federal government shutdown. consider that virginia has 170,000 civilian federal employees and don't even get me started on the number of military families and veterans in virginia. the new poll out of virginia just out tonight shows the percentage of virginiaens who oppose shutting down the government over obama care is 62%. 62% opposed to the shut down in virginia. who do virginians blame for the hitdown? congressional republicans by a 15-point margin. perhaps not surprisingly they therefore do not like the foremost symbol and instigator of the shutdown who is ted cruz. cruz may be a tea party hero but virginia cannot stand the guy. the proportion of virginians who view him unfavorably is 20 points higher than the portion of virginians that like him.
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so you sure you want to do an event with ted cruz this weekend? apparently not. he avoided being photographed on saturday night. he left before the texas senator rose to speak. he did not acknowledge the nens presence of cruz in his sport public comments. would you? >> ted cruz about how much he loved the shut down. the last terrible, horrible, very bad political development for him today is the same "politico" poll out tonight which shows how much virginia hates the shutdown and blames republicans and does not like the ted cruz shutdown guy who's been appearing at ken's evens. the same poll shows he is losing the governor's race by 10 points. if you factor in the libertarian, he is stilt losing by nin


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