tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC October 10, 2013 4:00am-5:00am EDT
>> i don't know if there are a enough worried about voting for a budget that includes chain cpi -- >> that is why i worry about the grand bargain. sam sedar, from the majority report. >> i loved joy reid talking about the magic sword of pain. >> that is in article two of the constitution. >> it is actually deuteronomy, come on. all right, this is the gallup poll over time over the last 20 years, showing the favorability rating for the two main parties in our country. red for republican, blue for democrat. over time, big picture as you can see, the democratic party has sort of been broadly, more well liked in the country than the republican party is. the second term of the george w. bush presidency, in particular.
way earlier than that, though, the republicans do have this one big problem area, one big plunge, more than a dip, right? they kind of fell off a cliff right there. what exactly was going on right there that made the country hate the republican party much more dramatically than they ever had before? that was the vote to impeach bill clinton for stooping an intern. the republicans saw it as a great opportunity. they had finally impeached a president. but the country hated them for it. over the last 20 years, the country has never hated republicans more than they hated them at that moment until now. the new gallup polling on the american public's view of the republican party is now the worst it has ever been in modern times. it has even gone lower than it was during the clinton impeachment era. and that apparently, is the reward you can get if you can stretch your government shutdown to be longer than hanukkah. it is more than eight crazy
nights now, we're into day nine, and that is i guess, when the wheels start to fall off. things really did seemt like they started to break apart today. it started with today's newspapers. the fact that republicans no longer believed blowing through the debt ceiling would not be a big deal or defaulting on the debt would have catastrophic consequences, it has been a story brewing a while now. covered extensively in places like the national journal and places like talking points. it is a known story that has been increasingly reported out over the course of the crisis. but today, for whatever reason, today was the day that this story about the republican denial of the debt ceiling being a big deal, today was the day it finally landed on the front pages in places like "the new york times" and politico.com. it is kind of hard to believe
that wall street has to actually read it in "the wall street journal" before they leave it is true. in fact, the main stream press finally waking up to republicans being in lala land about whether or not the debt ceiling is a big deal, that finally seems to have woken people up today, finally with it on the front pages, seems to have gone off like a particularly loud and jarring alarm clock, because today, washington freaked out about what is happening on wall street. today, you would have seen things like the vicks, the fear index going up since the shutdown crisis has been upon us. on ezra klein's blog, you see how it spikes on the graph? today was the day that the signs got bigger, today was the sign
that we got bigger and much less subtle signs that the ground is shaking underneath wall street. the big shutter today was when fidelity dumped u.s. treasury bonds, the biggest market in the country on the treasury bonds. they announced they sold off all u.s. government bonds that might come due at the time we are hitting the debt ceiling. they told the associated press somewhat shakily that just in case, they responded, but they are taking steps to protect investors. eek, and they are just the mutual fund people. if china does that? we'll be living elsewhere, milking goats. wall street today decided to
finally essentially rattle the cage about what is going on in washington. and inside the cage, inside washington, they did get rattled. the republican politics around the shutdown and the debt ceiling and what this is all about and where they ought to hold the line and what they're supposed to be fighting for just collapsed today. the narrative just collapsed. two of the most aggressive conservative groups who have been pushing for the shutdown all along, who have been hounding any republicans who wouldn't go along with the shutdown, today, two of the groups essentially bowed out. the ceo of heritage action, which is the political part of the jim demint group, the heritage foundation, they target ed republicans with ads, they ran ads against 100 different republicans demanding that they take a hard line on the shutdown. well, they said republicans should pass a debt ceiling.
also, freedom works banging the drum for a shutdown for months now, today, freedom work's ceo told the huffington post that yeah, we think they ought to pass the debt ceiling, at least get that part taken care of. the same ceo for freedom works a week ago said we will go past the deadline for the debt ceiling, and i don't think that was a bad thing. that was a week ago, with wall street getting freaked out a week later and politico freaked out about it, now he changes his tune and says yeah, we need to pass the debt ceiling. both the heritage action group, they're trying to save face saying the only reason we don't want to blow through the debt ceiling now is we don't want it to be a distraction on the focus of obama care, but at the same time they made that declaration today, paul ryan said the republicans need to keep up the
fight for a bunch of stuff that does not center around obama care. paul ryan did not even mention obama care about what it is that the republicans need to keep fighting about. so if you're looking for cues from washington about what exactly is going on and why we're still shut down and what it is all about, you can take your pick. they're only fighting about obama care and forget the debt ceiling, or they are fighting over the debt ceiling and forget about obama care. okay, whatever the strategy was before, it sort of evaporated today between the conservative groups and the members of congress who supposedly are doing their bidding or vice versa, absolutely no coherence as of today. that was all before the coke brothers freaked out today, the koch brothers and their partners spent nearly a quarter of a billion over the last year
funding all the groups trying the shutdown fight. the creepy paper mache head that says they are trying to not get the college students health insurance, heritage action, running ads against republicans who are insufficiently hard line on the shutdown, funded by the koch brothers. the de-fund obama care tool kit, funded by the koch brothers. they spent $236 million over the past year to fund nearly basically every single component to shut down the effort. shut down the government to stop obama care, brought to you by the koch. well, today they wrote a letter saying really, we have no position on the shutdown, sure, they're are against obama care but are not actually doing anything about it, they're just funding all the groups that are trying to fund the shutdown.
as the letter said, i am sure that is true. but they have funded the entire organizations that demanded the outcome and forced it on the country. who else? don't blame us? so the wheels are coming off here. the republicans don't agree on what they are trying to get and how they're trying to get it. and they are clearly moving into the phase where people are trying to make sure they are not getting the blame for what happened. it sort of feels like it is ending. an important question about how fast it ends, because the practical question about the shutdown is not just becoming politically untenable, the way they handled the shutdown, was
sliding money, essentially hoping the shutdown would be short and by moving around they could maybe ride it out. that strategy all over the government and basically all the government agencies is now resulting in new stuff closing down every day. because the money is drying up. they could make it work for a couple of days. but now it is just long enough that it is not working. we had for a few days the people on the veteran's staff, to process claims for the benefits. we don't have them now. we had enough people to keep the nuclear regulatory commission going, the people making sure no fukushima, they announced they had been using carry-over funds that they had been using to keep the regulatory commission open for the last few days. but no more funds, the spokesperson said today is the last full day that the commission will operate normally.
there was a fatal train incident, because of the shutdown the ntsb has stopped investigating what caused that accident. the west texas chemical plant, apocalypse, that blew up 50 buildings and killed multiple people, that is being investigated because of a staff of 41 people, 37 of the 41 are now on furlough. the investigation into that explosion has now been put on hold. do you have a plant like that in your town? the cries of outrage yesterday coast to coast over the families of the service men and women not being able to fly to dover to greet the families coming home from the war they are fighting in our name? congress and the white house and the office of management and budget and the pentagon and private organizations all running today to try to make that better, to piece things
together for those families, to try to at a least put that back together again. but every day now, this piece by piece rescue effort, the respond to the laws outrage, fix this thing here and here, this piecemeal response, is not going to work. with something else having to shut down, that will be a huge outrage or grave danger to somebody who will then try to get it fixed. but there are more of these things every day because the money runs out every day. and it gets worse every day. because ultimately, all the kings men are not going to be able to put humpty dumpty back together again. the way they are trying to work with the rest of it is becoming more impossible. it will be more impossible tomorrow, and even more impossible after that.
and so the pressure of the shutdown itself, the political pressure of republicans not knowing why they're doing this, and how long they will do this, the rattle of the financial markets, they may actually blow through the debt ceiling today. the continuing pressure is breaking this thing for everyone. but if this is in fact breaking apart. what happens next? joining me now, ryan grim, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> what is the capitol hill manifestation of the kinds of shifts we're seeing around the arguments about why they're doing this, about what their strategy is, how is this manifesting among house republicans? >> you're totally right, the way this whole thing has broken apart, but that has been a gift to republicans. because as i said earlier they didn't really have a strategy. they were just kind of waiting for something to happen. so the tea party putting the
debt ceiling off the table is a gift to them in the sense that it at least allows them form a semblance of a strategy. if you think about what is the republican coalition if you can even call it that at this point. if you have wall street and the tea party and heritage together, that is pretty much the republicans telling them not to blow up the debt ceiling. that means they're not going to blow up the debt ceiling, so they're talking about a 30-day, 60-day clean extension, once they extend it once, it is extremely unlikely they will bring brinkmanship before the holidays, that leaves you with the shutdown. they believe they can keep it with the cr. we're noticing what you notice, more things are shutting down every day. they have seen the statistics out there, saying 86% of the government is still running. so this is okay, we may
represent this in suburban dallas, or wherever they might represent. >> ryan, what do you think about this sorting out the debt ceiling limit? obviously any ceilings worldwide, that this is going to get fixed are going to have an immediate calming effect. what do you think about the procedural timeline in order to get that squared away? >> according to harry reid's office they have heard nothing from the republicans in terms of moving forward on the debt ceiling. so that part is not hopeful. but they have an absolute awful relationship with the boehner staff and personally. so even though it happened i think it will move pretty quickly. they don't even need to talk about it. because if boehner puts a clean debt ceiling on the floor and it passes with democratic senate vote, the senate will have to
take it up. there will be no excuse for them not to. the president will have to sign off. i see it as happening relatively quickly, especially because of what you alluded to. >> i am seeing the future, six months from now. and on every television screen, i see democratic ads whaling on republicans who voted to shut down the government. actually, you don't even need to see in the future, it is a dry run, they're doing it right now, for the 2014 election, are they doing a good job? that is coming up, stay with us. i'm christina caradona, i'm a fashion blogger, so style is my thing. and i'm not gonna let my period get in the way of what i want to wear! [ female announcer ] tampax radiant protects 30% better and comes with a resealable wrapper for discreet disposal. mix and match your protection with the whole radiant collection.
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>> we're about to put on screen what the governor said in response, and some of our viewer s who may find it distasteful may want to hit the mute button. the governor told reporters senator jackson may be for the people but he is the first one to give it to the people without using vaseline, when asked if some people may find it offensive, he said good, they ought to, because i've been taking it for two years. >> you know, if you had had to guess you probably thought it would have been governor paul lapage, he made the most unexpected political response yet to the government shutdown. governor paul lepage of maine declared a state of emergency,
issuing a unilaterally proclamation of civil emergency, which to some extent expands his power of the government. because of the shutdown, he has proclaimed a civil emergency and given himself new powers in order to "minimize the financial impact of the shutdown." now, there is nothing about him yelling emergency that will give him any authority he does not already have to spend state money. the maine constitution is very clear on that. so who knows what this really is about? i mean, with paul lepage, you never know what it is really about. but he says he is here to use his authority to suspend strict compliance with laws or rules. because why not? one man's shutdown is another man's opportunity to proclaim himself the king of maine, the king, i tell you. i'm sure the long-suffering people of maine cannot wait to see how this works out.
we have new polling tonight from the great commonwealth of virginia from the governor's race, with less than a month ago for the race, the polls show that the republican governor ken cuccinelli trailing by several points, the day before that, same deal, cuccinelli losing by nine, the last time he led in the race by a single poll was
july 14th, when one single poll, that is a bit of an outliner, had him up by six, since then, though, terri mcauliffe has been leading, at this point, the virginia governor's race is going bad enough for ken cuccinelli, they are wondering what is striking him down, maybe the shutdown, the national republican party's woes that are dragging down ken cuccinelli, at this point he is far enough down in the pollings and has been for so long that nobody is worried about what caused it. now the worry is whether cuccinelli is going to cause other republicans to fail, too. the new dynamics that the republicans are trying to exploit in this case is that ken cuccinelli could be the anchor that drags down the others on the ballot with him.
case in point, the democrat running for the job that cuccinelli is leaving, the democratic candidate for attorney general released this new ad this week, banking on the idea that the best way to get people to vote against mark obenschein, is to show him riding around with the dreaded cuccinelli. you know, vote for me, because my opponent is just like ken cuccinelli, who is just riding around looking for votes. nobody thinks that this virginia's governor's race will be a historic blowout. everybody thinks it will be closer than the last election, for example, which really was a blowout. bob mcdonald took the last election in virginia by a walk, winning by nearly 18 points. here is the interesting thing, though, even though bob
mcdonnell won by a mile, it still didn't mean he won by that many votes. virginia is a big state with a big population but they hold their governor's electionings in s in off, off years, bob mcdonnell got elected in 2009, they are not election years and they have low turnouts. even though bob mcdonnell won in the election year, the total number of the guy he beat, there were fewer than 350 votes in that giant state, even though it was a blowout. well, this race will not be a blowout. everybody thinks it will be closer than the last. at maximum there will be a couple of 100,000 votes between these two candidates. if you are heading into that relatively close election, if the polls say you're behind in this election by a couple of 100,000 votes, max, what kind of
things could you do with just weeks before the election, here is one thing you could do. how about voter purge, voting thousands off the rolls immediately before the election. in a huge blowout race, the margin between the candidates is only 300,000 votes, you get rid of 16,000 voters, yeah, they will make a dent. now, in virginia, the current governor, governor mcdonnell is of course a republican, under state law that gives the republican party control of the state elections board. they give the republican party the county elections, in their hands, the whole thing. ahead of this race that ken cuccinelli is slated to lose by probably not that many thousand votes it is the republican-controlled state
elections board that issued this order to kick 60,000 people off the voter rolls. interestingly, though, they are getting pushback from the republican local officials who control voting at the local level, they may be republicans but are not down with this. in loudoun county, the legislator tried to purge the list after she found that 400 of them were on this by mistake, she found so many names on there she wanted to proceed with the election so it could be done carefully and correctly. the state board rejected that decision and urged her to start to purge people off the rolls immediately before the election. that local registrar told them "i will do in best." in chesterfield county, he said just into his initial dive into the list he found more than 170 names on the list that were in error.
he told the richmond times dispatch, what will i really find when i start to dig? the registar wanted to put off the election until the state governor's race. in chesterfield county, his local board is standing by him in his decision. so that means the voters there may not get purged off the rolls in the election if they can hold out. so less than four weeks off from the governor's race, the republicans in virginia are running into some trouble with their attempted voter purge in some counties. not everywhere, but in some counties. also, there is the matter of the suit against ken cuccinelli, he is the lawyer for the counsel of the state board of elections.
for the first time in almost 30 years, this time they decided to not step down because of the run for governor. if this election for governor ended up close or ends up in court because of the way it is so close, you want to know who the state officer in virginia is, who will deal with the conflicts? all right, that guy, elected to monitor the legal disputes over his own election. excellent planning, you guys.
do you ever just feel like you need a good cry? [ crying ] >> i want my -- >> oh, god, that is cathartic. it is still a little unsettling, you have to admit. it helps to see it in context. because that sort of annoying baby close-up footage is actually part of an ad, wait until you see the rest of it. it explains how democrats are trying to use the shutdown to frame the shutdown that will work for them, particularly next year when the whole country goes to vote. that story is coming up next.
the pennsylvania congressman lou barletta said he wanted to fund the government, but after telling the local press he would absolutely vote to fund the government, now he changed his mind, he said he is not for that anymore. he says "i'm past that." and now lou barletta is waking up to ads like this in his district. >> lou barletta joined with others in shutting down the government, putting seniors at risk, denying cancer treatment for kids and halting food inspections. economists said that it could weaken the economy and devastate middle class families. call congressman barletta and tell him to do his job, end the government shutdown.
>> you got the idea, that is ran in the home district of republican congressman lou barletta in pennsylvania, and also like other congressmen like him. it is run by a group called "united americans for change." who tend to support democrats, and organized labor movement. but they're not alone. others are running ads trying to capitalize politically off the shutdown votes. >> irresponsible. >> obama care hurts this government more than any government shutdown. >> people are realizing they can live with a lot less government. >> this is the happiest i have seen members in a long time. >> the government shutdown is hurting seniors and veterans and our kids. now the tea party is threatening an economic shutdown, refusing to pay america's bills, endangering american jobs, tell
them to stand up to the tea party, enough all right. >> the white house group, organizing for america. that follows this, the long web video posted on line from the liberal american bridge pack, which shows republicans crowing about how great the shutdown is, and thereby taking the blame for it. and then there is the house majority pac ad, which is really quite epic, running this weekend during some sunday nfl games. watch. [ crying ] >> i want my -- [ crying ] >> speaker john boehner didn't get his way on shutting down health care reform. so he shut down the government and hurt the economy. house majority.
>> not subtle. what you are seeing here, what this looks like at least is the play book, essentially a dry run of the democratic playbook for the mid-term elections next year, testing to see who works and what sticks and packs a punch. in normal times nobody would expect the democrats to have a prayer in mid-term elections, the party usually gets clobbered. and with the gerrymandering, they are out there saying if the 2012 election were rerun today, the democrats would take back the house, john boehner would lose his job and nancy pelosi would get the gavel back. the democrats are crowing like they have a real shot at it. they sent out this e-mail today boasting about their chances next year.
the subject line of the e-mail is the words "speaker boehner," but with the word speaker crossed out. is this just trash talk or is this something that the democrats actually think they know how to pull off? joining us now is bill burton, executive vice president at global strategy group which i'm sure is less terrifying than it sounds. >> don't count on it. >> well, there is less confidence on the side of the republicans, by the way they have handled this politically. is that just trash talk? is there reason for them to be so confident? >> i was running for rahm emanuel, and in the process of winning the house for democrats, making nancy pelosi speaker, was building a case over the course of would years. and i think what you're seeing
democrats do right now is they're building a case. there is a talented staff. they have recruited very great candidates across the country. but this part of the case they're building, which is that republicans are at center of this dysfunction, you have to get them out of power, is a very important part of getting to the next piece of the case, which is here is the real life consequences of the dysfunction in the lives of middle class americans and all over the country. because i don't think you can get to that place, you can actually get to election day and control the change of congress. but what they're doing is building a very important part of it right now. and it is getting to the place that we could actually win a whole lot of seats. but we'll see if the republicans will really fumble the ball enough that democrats can take advantage of it. >> i see the republicans denying that the debt ceiling is the big deal. you see guys like richard burr and other people like that who
otherwise sometimes sound like they know what they're talking about. when you hear these guys expound that the debt ceiling is not that big a deal, you are looking at them saying what are the odds that people will blame obama for that? the democrats are trying obviously to make political hay out of what the republicans are doing, aren't the republicans going to do the same? >> look at what we're dealing with, people who are not just denying what default would be. they deny global climate change and evolution. they deny that barack obama was born in the united states of america. these people are not driven by facts, but by much scarier voices they hear. although watching the ads, there is far more scary than those ads, that we all may be living in yurtz.
>> i live in western rural massachusetts where people live in yurts, you don't want to live there, don't go through the debt ceiling. are there places where you see the shutdown maybe having a bigger impact? >> i think the races, where they work for the federal government and depend on it. i saw this, because i'm kind of a nerd about the politics. there is a story about west branch, iowa, where the library was shut down because of the shutdown, and as a result, local businesses which depend on the people who come through town and stop at the library, like the local coffee shops, everything like that, they have seen the revenues drop 75%, places where there is a lot of government jobs and other places that depend on the government jobs, those will be affected. you have places like colorado,
or tennessee, where they're just already competitive districts where people are so sick of what is happening in washington. this is the sort of thing that sends them over the edge, we just need to change what is happening that so we don't have to live in yurtz one day. >> even though the goat milk is delicious. >> that is right, the people, the goat milk people are all watching the show tonight. >> we're goats, goats. >> former white house press secretary, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me.
there is a bit of a dramatic update for you tonight on a story that started dramatically in the first place. a couple of weeks ago we reported on a confrontation between russia and a ship, green peace is protesting against drilling in the arctic, they sent a ship up there to try to have their activist get up on the platform. well, russia decided to meet them with guns drawn, knives drawn, they fired shots at the
green peace ship. they arrested journalists on board the ship covering the confrontation. they impounded the ship and forced it into port in northern russia. the entire crew, including the captain and journalists have been held in prison ever since. they have been charged with piracy, which carries a sentence of 15 years in russian prison if convicted. the group is 28 crew members, two journalists including one from the united states. russia is refusing them bail. they're languishing behind bars. and now russian officials say they're still considering adding charges of "more grave crimes" on top of the 15 years in prison piracy charges. so, this is a story that started off very dramatically. but it is getting more dramatic and draconian over time. we are watching this closely to see how it resolves. it feels like it is getting close to the point where there
has to be international diplomacy to resolve this situation. mean while, there is also another story in russia that is following that same trajectory right now. it started off as a bad story but escalating quickly now into something much, much worse. and that story has at the center of it a bunch of american conservative activists who apparently are egging russia on. russia is now trying to start taking kids away from their parents if their parents are gay. and american conservatives are helping make it happen. we have got the story here exclusively on tomorrow night's show. we'll be right back.
north carolina's voter suppression law has been called one of the worst voter suppression laws passed in any state since 1965, since before the voting rights act was enacted to put a stop to literacy tests, poll taxes and the like. we want to north carolina to cover the story of a college sten year at elizabeth city state university, montravius king, trying to run for city council in elizabeth city which is where his school is located. he has lived there and voted there since 2009. but when he tried to run for office, the chairman of the local republican party turned up and challenged his right to run. he told the board that king shouldn't be allowed to run for city council because he lived at college. that meant he couldn't be a real resident of that town. he said going to college in that town doesn't really count as living there. now, the local elections board, republican dominated agreed with him and said, yeah, king can't run.
and the really deep thing about that decision, its that the residency requirements for running for office are the same as the residency requirements for voting. so if republican activists and republican elections officials are going to start blocking college kids from running for office, that lays the ground work for them also blocking every college student in the state from voting in north carolina. well, montravius king in elizabeth city would fight for the right to run for office, to vote, and for himself and every college student in north carolina whose voter rights had been put in danger the way politics turned in the state. we want done to north carolina to talk about the impact of the law and cover king's fight. and, once getting down there, driving around with montravius talking about the fight he insisted to me against skepticism that he was going to win this fight. >> i can tell you have the appetite for the fight. i cannot tell, from talking to you, whether you are just
spinning me by saying you think you are going to win. ha-ha. is that just like, oh, yeah, i am confident. like really do you think you will win? >> i am completely. everything is against you. >> i am sure i am going to win. >> the local board is against you. state board is republican controlled appointed by the governor who just rolled back voting rights further than any other state in the country since the voting rights act vuz passed in 1965, everything is stacked against you. you are like, i am going to win. >> oh, yeah, i am completely sure. not only do tie know the students are behind me and supporting me, i believe a large number of people in the fourth ward are going to vote for me. i am really sure about that. >> you are a man with great optimism. >> yeah. >> yeah. yeah, you are really optimistic for no reason. right. he did, he did not seem worried. he did not seem concerned.
and, i have to say in that moment i really admired that he seemed so cool and given that i thought he had no chance. it also has to be said i'm not from around there. i didn't totally have my bearings. so then this happened. this was so embarrassing. keep an eye on the front windshield up in the sky. watch this. >> the voter suppression bill as i have been calling it. wow that thing came in low. oh, it was crop dusting. >> welcome to -- to the countryside. >> i was like, okay, then we filmed a plane crash on the highway. crop dusting. very nice. >> that was nice going, maddow. it's like a crop duster. look, an amazing special effect. there is montravius, cool, calm, collected i am freaking out about the crop duster and freaking out about his chances of making the ballot and saving north carolina student voting rights in the process. last month the state board of elections, republican dominated heard montravius king's appeal.
at the hearing, the same local republican party chairman showed up to say that king should be ineligible. the board voted that day and sided with king. they voted that he should be allowed to run for city council. and i'm not going to lie, i was surprised. the deck was stacked against him, right? that was, me being wrong. the first time. wished him well on the race, of course. nobody was really sure how it would play out. after all he had been through. his chances of winning seemed slim. then last night happened. last night, king won. he won a seat on the city council. he became the first elizabeth city state university student and youngest person in the history of elizabeth city to when a seat on the city council and he was the top vote getter in the race. he swept up 38% of all votes cast in a race in which 1 million people were rung, the best vote getter by far. there you have it. he won. he beat the odds to get on the ballot.