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president a t the foreign adversaries, where patriotism could bring this country to the forward leaning government we want. the rich stories are in my new book. that's "hardball" for now. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. it is day 11 of the government shutdown, but tonight, it may be nearing the end game in which enough republicans have been skrared straight by polling and realize more than ever they need a way out. republicans will lose this and now, they're trying to figure out the best way to lose. meanwhile, the white house is communicating with them just enough to provide republicans with some kind of exit, even if they insist on calling that a negotiation. >> we negotiated it. if we had done this a couple of weeks ago, we wouldn't be where
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we are today. i think you'll see something come out of the house in the next 24 hours to reopen the government, to have changes to obama care, i think you'll see an effort by the house to raise the debt ceiling for a period of time. i hope the president will accept these geisstures and we'll get this behind us. >> that's right. you just did hear a republican senator talking about changes to the obama care that will not destroy the program, but make it better. comes on a day when republican defeat is becoming more obvious. here's republican congressman peter king sharing how he really, really feels about ted cruz. >> this is the strategy of ted cruz and i have gone back to mid-september, i was ted cruz was a fraud. that there was a dead end to this policy and it would make no sense to follow it. unfortunately, we have three or four republicans in the house who basically threaten to bring the house down if boehner did not pursue this policy.
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he never had a plan. fraudulent from the start and we have to cut this guy off now. >> on the other side, here's willie ngomer of the shutdown caucus referring to john mccain a day after mccain said the house gop effort was a fool's errand. >> when it comes to the shutdown that's going on, i heard just before i game, some senator from arizona, a guy that like gadhafi before he wanted to bombing, a guy that like mubarak before, he wanted him out. a guy that's been to syria and supported al qaeda and rebels, but he was saying today the shutdown has been a fool's errand. >> any doubt about the source of the overall republican frustration can be put to rest when you consider the senate doh of mccain graham have now grudgingly conceded the obvious. the gop is getting annihilated in the polls.
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>> as you know, there was a gallup poll today that showed the favorable ratings of republicans at an all-time low, 28%, so certainly, there is more pressure on republicans. >> it's not helping the president. overall, his numbers have gone down, but it's certainly hurting us. >> the latest numbers are amu amusing and frightening. reportedly a six-week extex of a debt creel, but not a reopening of the government. today, it seems to be something along the lines of a short-term extension of both along with a framework to conduct negotiations. also various reporting about replacing sequestration cuts with entitlement cuts. the white house is rejecting a key element from the latest gop proposals linking an extension of the debt limit to negotiations. according to jay carney, president obama and boehner talked on the phone today, a
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good conversation that should be ongoing. meanwhile, senate republicans met with president obama this morning and offered a deal that would include a reopening of the government and a debt limit extension until january. a repeal or delay of the obama care medical device tax, income verification for obama care insurance exchanges and greater flexibility for government departments. >> the president listened carefully. he said that some of the elements were issues we could work on, but he certainly did not endorse it. it was a good exchange, but it was an inconclusive exchange. >> senate democrats prefer a deal that would extent the debt limit into 2014. joining me now, democrat from california, a member of the house funded committee. my first question is about the medical device tax. here we are, d11 of the shutdow. hundreds of thousands of people are not getting their paychecks. women and infant nutrition
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programs have been cut. the nuclear oversight regulatory body has furloughed workers. is the salvation for all of this a repeal of medical device tax? >> chris, the salvation of all of this is opening the government up. as we have said since this government has been shut down by the extremists, the republican tea party, that we need to open the government back up. put people back to work. keep our economy moving forward. this is bad for the economy, bad for people, so we have to do that first. >> i agree, but reports today indicate that we are now, no matter what people are saying about negotiation, whether negotiation happens before the government opens or after, there are discussions now about what the republicans will get in change for passing this. isn't that already an indication they are going to win something out of the fact they have brought the nation to its heels? >> chris, there are discussions
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taking place, but the president has said and we continue to say that we have to get people back to work. we must open up the government, pay our bills, then we start talking about the negotiations and where they come and a framework for the negotiations. also, chris, let me just say, we have a budget bill. it's at a funding level which i detest. so many members of our caucus detest and we've negotiated that. all we have to do is put that up for a vote. and if we get the number of votes that it takes to pass, 217, 218, then we can open up the government. that's what we need to do first. >> i was feeling today that perhaps i was not paying careful enough attention to what was going on capitol hill because i was confused about the latest. what the game plan out of republican congress was, the offer on the table. i was happy to see byron york tweet the following. gop congressmen, most of us have
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no idea what's going on or what to expect because that made me feel like maybe it just wasn't me. do you you said what your colleagues are asking for? >> chris, they started initially saying that they wanted to repeal the affordable care act. they wanted to deny millions of americans health care. that's wrong. that was holding the affordable care act, the law, hostage. so, we don't know what is going t on in terms of the negotiations they want, but the discussions are taking place, that's a good thing. but what we have said and continue to say is that we have to get people back to work, we must open up the government and pay our bills. that's a requirement of this government. then we can sit down and start negotiating. that is, i believe, where the president continues to be. and that is where democrats are and many republicans want to do that.
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we want to pass the budget bill lee, thanks so much.over joining me now is ezra klein, the just launched new so, you and i i think would describe ourselves as structu structurisstructure lists. the daily tracking polls during a campaign and basically feel a lot of stuff is baked in. but with what is going on in washingtoni feel like it's genuinely uncertain. from minute to minute, i don't know what deal is on the table, how this will end, what will happen. do you feel the same? >> absolutely. although i would say that what you're having is a structural breakdown. you have having the structural breakdown of the normal systems of american government. of the two party system, what is fascinating about the republican party's side to this is that you have two parties of war.
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it's not just peter king. it's john boehner, eric cantor. they don't want to be here and they lost and it's never been clear why they lost or how they win to get back out of that. >> the things that people are being discussed, it seems to me like the trickier sequences that allows both sides to kind of save face, not that i think the republicans should be given an opportunity to save face because they got themselves into this mess, but they're going to pass something and then negotiations quickly after. >> there needs to be some quantum resolution. it needs to be, it looks like it will be concessions in on the one hand republicans are sable to say i think correctly they got through the shutdown, the debt ceiling negotiation. democrats are able to say had nothing wito do with that, they were negotiating over sequestration, other things. the two big components of that,
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i think in the first -- if you will, medical device tax. and then on the, in some other way after that, some negotiations over how to delay or replace sequestration for a couple of years. >> there is nothing in the world more perfect than the narrative arc of the ending on the conclusion of a medical device repeal. not what liberals wants, not what the white house wants, not what the american people are clambering for. the only thing we're saying is that it is a farley nonimagining concession. on the other hand, policy merits is not the worst thing. >> it's 2. million a year. >> i think as you think, there's not a pressing reason to be reducing the debt dramatically right now. they're going to off set it and the question is, if they choose
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an off set that is better or worse than having a medical device tax. >> you have covered the first few weeks. your reporter has done an amazing job on this. you and i have both talked about the fact they have stopped, in the absence of a shutdown, have been a brutal two weeks of press. >> this should have been -- they've actually managed to make obama care, when i was talking to white house people four months ago, if i would have said to them, you're going to for two weeks, nobody can sign up. they would say, that would be a disaster. they would begin shaking at the table. that's what they had and instead, all anybody talks about is a shutdown and obama care is -- >> that's the best part. in the nbc news poll -- msnbc policy analyst ezra klein.
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joining me now, senior adviser for communications and strategy. david, i was in the first two days, it's two weeks into a law that's going to roll out and people have until january then march to sign up on these exchanges. i'm not predicting that obama care's a failure or anything like that, but can we agree that the first two weeks of the rollout have been bad? it's been a disaster. >> so, chris, i think what we can agree on is that we would have preferred that these first 11 days would have been a much smoother process for folks going through and it hasn't been. it's not acceptable and from the get go, 8.6 million folks, visitors, came in in the first 72 hours and overloaded the system. president was very, very clear. identify the problem. isolate it. fix it and work through it and that's what our folks have been doing 24/7 and i can report to you folks are getting through
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it. people are getting insurance and 11 days down, 171 left to go, but absolutely. we said from the beginning there were going to be glitches because this is an amazing and unique tool that's been constructed and developmented and we need to improve it so everyone can enjoy it. >> i want to read something from you from a health industry analyst, a fairly knowledgeable guy who works in the health insurance industry. not a huge fan of the bill, but not some kind of crank. he says he's done a survey of health insurance plans and his estimate is that 5,000 individuals and families total have signed up for health insurance in 36 states run by the obama administration. do you have a number? >> i'm not going to speak to his methodology in the survey he conducted with insurance companies. let me first speak to what the insurance industry is saying is that after the slow start and the shaky start, they've been seeing improvement on a daily basis. in terms of numbers, we're going to do with the numbers from the
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affordable care act what we do with medicare, medicaid, monthly jobs report. in a release the numbers in november. >> so, is it more than 5,000? >> chris, i'm not going to get into is it more than 10, more than 15, more than 100. we made a decision early on we were going to release the numbers in november. benefits begin in january of 2014. when we took a look at enrollment and what to expect, we expected that october was going to be a lighter month, ramping up in november, escalating in december because that's when benefits kick in. it wasn't really an expectation as was the case in massachusetts when they went through this, that people would be doing a lay away plan for insurance. a little bit of a leveling off in january. in february, the spike in march at the end. but i can assure you, chris, that folks throughout the country, not only in the federal states, but states that were handling, but also in the states
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like kentucky, connecticut, california, new york. people are signing up. folks who never had insurance before and folks who lived on the individual market. >> i would love to have you back here when you release the numbers in november. i'd love to check in on the progress of this. i definitely want to see this bill succeed because i want people to get health insurance and so, let's hope that these problems get fixed. >> white house deputy senior adviser. coming up. >> at home, we balance our budget, but typical politicians in washington think they don't have to. they just keep spending and spending, putting us deeper in debt. i'm not a politician. >> congress has enough of those. >> i'm a conservative and i don't want my son growing up in a bankrupt nation. i approve this message to balance a budget. >> like we do at home. >> his household budget is nothing like the budget of the united states federal government, which is just one of the reasons he has earned himself a place in the series,
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remember ted cruz? he is back on the national stage today. >> the other thing we don't know about is the fact that there is an ex gay movement. septemb . >> obama care is really i think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. >> this agree system that will be known as death care. >> tell me now, will you stand with ted cruz?
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does he deserve our gratitude for his magnificent devotion to liberty? does he deserve our prayers for continued success? tell me now. will you stand with him in his crusade to save america? >> a funny thing happened today. someone tried to pop the conservative bubble. >> that's what we're defending. that's what we're defending. ma'am, i look forward to you at the town hall. we'll poll together. >> but that did not stop ted cruz from preaching the gospel. >> it is because of you that the house of representatives has been standing strong because the house has been listening to the people. >> when cruz wants to show the popularity, he points to one number. >> in matter of just a few weeks, over 2 million americans signed that petition on don't fund it.come.
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>> that's just 3% of the nearly 66 million people who voted for barack obama in 2012 and just 1.5 last year. a figure who believe shape shifting rep till on people control our world. in fact, since ted cruz orchestrated the government shutdown, the latest news polling finds the republican party is at its lowest favorablety on record. by the highest margin since 2009, voters prefer a democratic controlled congress. in may, ted cruz pulled a dick morris and said the nbc news numbers are skewed. >> an awful lot of obama spoerters. >> cruz doesn't buy the nbc news poll even though it lines up with his own poll. even his own found that most
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people blame republicans for the shutdown, but that didn't stop cruz from touting his pole in a meeting on wednesday and arguing that the campaign he led to defund obama care has bolstered the gop political position in dealing with the government shutdown. meanwhile, cruz' own approval rating has doubled since june. >> we have been roundly criticized for our actions in the attempt to defund obama care. we make no apologies. we stand with you. with the people. >> lee now has a net unfavorable rating in the very conservative state of utah. ted cruz and mike lee had a great day at the value voters sum, but they are the coyote paddling their legs at the end of the cliff. they can only paddle for so long before they fall. joining me now is matt welch, editor of libertarian reason
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magazine. matt, what do you make of the return of the unskewed poll mean in response to last night's polling? >> they don't have a lot of choice out there. there aren't very many good polls if your name is ted cruz, especially and also mike lee. look, they made a choice back in the summer. even the late spring when they went on this defund obama care strategy instead of the strategy of trying to get a conference committee to hash out a budget for fiscal year 2014. the calculateded strategy was if we show that we will do anything we can and even things that we cannot do to attack obama care in a way that shows more grit, it won't matter if we are rou roundly criticized by most of the people because we will be articulated the frustrations of a long frustrated and for many
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good reason, gop base and particularly tea party base, so they've known it's a losing minority strategy for a long time. they've chosen to do it any way, thinking down to their personal benefit and also let's keep out there they think it's legitimately the best thing for the country. >> so, what i am seeing now and because you're from reason and reason is covered ron paul a lot and ron paul was a very important figure, is a kind of creeping ron paulism that's take b over the republican party. what really distinguished him from his followers was death of commitment. the people that cared about him and his message, cared deeply, 100%, but it was not a broadly popular message. and that kind of approach is death for a major national party, but it seems to be what's guiding ethos of ted cruz and
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mike lee. >> ron paul's primarily interested in philosophy and ideology, not really about tactics. what we're seeing with cruz and lee is a question of tactics. sort of demonstrating spine and backbone, which is a little bit different. the contrast with ron paul's son, rand paul, who has been in a lot of these fights as well. but he's been kind of quiet the last couple of weeks because the things he's been trying to do this year have involved broadening the party. finding ways where suddenly, he gets a positive hearing on msnbc and among democrats when he talks about drones and surveillance and some of these other issues ch he knows that the republican party is doomed if it doesn't expand. mike lee and ted cruz are rallying a base, but they're not increasing the base right now. >> final question is about obama care and pureicism.
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i've been saying to conservatives for months on the program, it's an open question on whether the affordable care works. i think it does, i hope it does, but it's an open question. why not just run the experiment? if it's as bad as people purport it to be, it will backfire. if it's really the disaster everyone thinks it's going to be, i just don't understand why you wouldn't let the law go into effect. >> this is the great discussion happening in the gop right now. a lot of people are making that point. this could have been the october of the obama care rollout and then a debt ceiling debate, which is more favorable to republicans than democrats because that's widely popular to attach a spending cut on to the debt ceiling, but they chose to do this because they wanted to demonstrate their depth of passion and because obama care uniquely is something that excites the base on the republican side. >> matt welsh, thanks so much. have a great weekend.
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our latest installment of these are the people running the country, we profile florida's own. actually, something in common with the congressman. first, the three awesomest things on the internet today. a heartfelt apology to one of our guests. he was on the show last night talking with me about the most likely outcome for republicans in washington. >> your prediction is just a
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complete -- declaring complete total abject defeat and just passing a hike and just talk about the budget. >> i think that's exactly what's going to happen. >> as jim mentioned on twitter, the polls have given a strong signal. at least one person took issue. tweeted gee, think you could have helped out the party line more? that was really awkward because she is a mother to seven kids and their jim's kids. he can forget about even talking to me when he gets home tonight. appears to be all in good fun. jim wrote later, don't worry, gang, my marriage is fine. he's a fire cracker. will do and we're sorry if you had to sleep on the couch. you thought the fall was cool in america. in japan, fall brings a rice harvest, which means straw, giant animals made out of that
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bought -- criticized by his opponents, but said hey, i'm a business guy, i bought all sorts of domain names and he believes in things like capitalism. >> what else? >> me as a lover of hip hop like so-called gangster rap to big daddy cain, a huge affinity for. that in listening to some of this music as musicians and artists have done for generations, what they do is open the eyes of people from maybe different walks of life. ♪ >> he is the self-proclaimed hip hop conservative. it's on his twitter page where he tweeted rave reviews of the magna carta album. he wrote an essay about his love of hip hop. ♪
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what is fight the power's hidden tea party message? >> in many ways, having a heavy handed federal government. >> he began his career fighting the power by voting against san diego. remember, he represents florida. follow that up by the reauthorization of the violence against women act, to cut billions from the food stamp program. but a letter to defund obama care, shut down that has left a toxic kcanal just a few short miles from where jay-z grew up, he went to support as a cosponsor and that's how he became one of the people who is running the country. >> special shoutout to nt progressive who guessed the congressman. up next, i'll tell you what the
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do you feel like -- does it destroy the institution? >> just like cars sales men, everyone got tainted.
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that broad brush is striking all of us. >> that was on this show last night, pointing out the similarities on being a member of the united states congress and a priest in the wake of the sexual abuse scandal in the catholic church. harsh. congress had an approval rating of just 5%. even the last few years. look at the trend in the poll. congressional approval was as high as 30%. nearly one in three approved. designed to be the corner stone of the republic. now, it is 1 in 20. congress is hated. it's a laughing stock, but it's doing too much damage for anyone to laugh. that's why the nbc news "wall street journal" poll showed that 60% of americans want to fire every single member of congress. perhaps that's why other polls show congress is less popular. >> what do you have a higher
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opinion of? congress or witches? congress, 32%. witches, 46%. what do you have a higher opinion of? congress or hemorrhoids. congress, 31%. hemorrhoids, 53%. congress or dog poop. >> that poll found congress is less well liked than the irs, wall street. on the plus side, it did hedge out miley cyrus and twerking. congress seems to be the most hated institution of american life and there seems to be something almost -- house gop's suicide caucus has hijacked the political process along the way. but there's also something disturbing about this. this is the branch of government with the power of the purse. the one that's supposed to
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declare war and oversee the executive branch and it's now seen almost universally as a bad joke. at this point, they just hope congress stops making them worse. with each day, the shutdown drags on. the each threat, the full faith and credit hopes grow different. joining me now is dan kildee. i imagine most of the people in your district know who you are, but you must occasionally find yourself in a circumstance, at a baby shower, out at a restaurant, and someone doesn't know what you do. i'm a member of the united states congress. what is the reaction when you say that? >> i don't know who the 5% are because i haven't met any of them yet. most people are completely fed up. i'm proud of the work i do. i'm proud of the work my staff does every day. these people work really hard
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with me. the frustration is that there is a segment of the congress and our society that benefits from congress being des pized because who checks out of the process when our political institutions are used for these sort of clown shows that the republicans are putting on. some people get angry and they act, but an equal or greater number check out of the political process. i'll guarantee you, it's not wall street and it's not the big multinational companies that are checking out. when average citizens feel like congress is to be irrelevant, that empowers the narrow special interests that have been clawing their way back into control of this government. >> i deeply agree with you and i think there's something insidious and reactionary about the troeps of disgust we've seen circulating about congress and ipg that it's something that if
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you don't check it, it can have a very kind of conservativetizing effect. almost like a right wing effect. i want to talk about that with a couple of folks if you'll stick around right after this break. [ tires screech ] ♪ [ beeping ] ♪ may you never be stuck behind a stinky truck. [ beeping ] ♪ may things always go your way. but it's good to be prepared... just in case they don't. toyota. let's go places, safely. but it's good to be prepared... just in case they don't. hall we do is go out to dinner.? that's it? i mean, he picks up the tab every time, which is great...what? he's using you. he probably has a citi thankyou card and gets 2x the points at restaurants. so he's just racking up points with me. some people...
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speaking of congress and how much people hate it, i want to introduce you to a website. it's called let's go with fu congress. it's a pretty darn satisfying way to review some of the lows of the last few months. joining me now to talk about those lows, founder of cultivated also joined by melissa harris perry. the site cracked me up. why did you make it?
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>> first of all, we were shocked the domain name was available. i thought it would have been claimed in the 1940s or '50s et cetera. we teamed up with a design firm and the idea was to capture the frustration that's out there. we didn't create the name. it existed already and then try to give some kai that are cyst with a purpose. we encourage you to tweet at your representatives and then connect you the voter registration. >> it has real depth to it. not just this primal scream. you're talking about oh, people are are getting kicked off wic in north carolina. but here's my question for you. are you playing into what the congressman just said? which is by saying fu congress, you're playing into this kind of conservative idea that like they're all crooks, they're all trying to screw you over. i don't know if you've ever
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gotten the e-mail forward, about the way to make laws passed, they don't have to pay back their student loans. >> i have to filter on my g-mail. >> are you worrying that you're enforcing the idea? >> i think it's a valid concern. i also think the idea of good people being tainted by a broad message is something, anyone who traveled as an american during george bush, you've got to explain yourself. i didn't do anything. i was just there when it happened, but it reminded me that i had a responsibility -- >> to make it better. because you own it whether you like it or not. >> exactly. there are republican members of congress who caused this moment, but congress in general also bears this responsibility of a lot of action over the last few years. the division, the gerrymandering, there's a lot going on besides just the shutdown.
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i want you to quickly to put in the context as a political scientist by trade, how do you understand this 5% approvapprov? here's what we know in general about what people know about congress. not much, right? so, folks tend to like their congressman and when we say like them, they tend to return them to congress. the easiest way to get lekked to congress is to get elected the first time and folks tend to be returns. so even when people hate congress, they tend to like their member of congress just fine. they don't know much about what congress does. about how it can operate. people don't understand how their city councilman impacts their lives. how their mayor, their governor. but congress often feels removed, so in a moment like this, when you feel how congress can harm your life, that becomes
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the one piece of information. >> 5% approval rating, you know, 60% want to fire you, but melissa just said is really important. re-election rates in the last congress dipped down to around 90%. i think between 90 and 92%. that was lower than it had been. how can you, can explain this paradox to me. >> a lot of it has to do with the fact these districts have been drawn in such a way that members of congress have been encouraged to pander. my district is more centrist. it really comes down to the money. it's not just a way we draw the maps, but the fact there's so much money that is really taken over and contorted our political system that as we deal with that, we can talk about all this and we can get people reengaged,
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but unless we deal with the fact it is those who pander to the extremes, not so much pause it's what the district wants, because it's what the narrow voices with lots of money want to hear them say. unless we deal with that, i don't think we're able to fix the problem in the long-term. >> i think sometimes when we go from good government reforms, we end up doing harm in ways we don't mean to. earmarks sound like there's something bad. money for the individual district, but actually, if you had earmark, we might have a speaker of the house who could actually move his majority, which he currently cannot do because it is captured here. sometimes, the things we think of as good government can mess with how congress gets things done. >> what i love about this medical device, if the shutdown is on repealing the medical
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device tax, at one level, it's this committee, the group of sort of rapid extremists in a small part of the republican caucus that's holding hostage, but the solution isn't some broadly popular thing like social security benefits being increased. it's repealing this small thing as a favor to one special interest. it's everything that's bad about congress all in one place. >> there is no 90% approval rating. there's a limitation of choice that draws lines. >> what do you think? >> did you ever think six months ago we'd be looking back talking about the medical device tax shutdown of the government? >> one of the great noble principled battles in the history of american politics. the time they brought the government to a halt to save medical device manufacturers from a 2.7% tax. >> our forefathers foresaw


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