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hardship endured by millions of americans relying on government and paychecks. it came at a steep price for the republican party which saw approval ratings plunge over the multi-week debacle. speaking this morning president obama outlined the cost of this very high-stakes exercise in absurdity. >> some members pushed for the shutdown say they were doing it to save the american economy. but nothing has done more to undermine our economy the past three years that the kind of tactics that create these manufactured crisis. >> while members of the gop spent their final days in battle attempting to kneecap staffers in their own congressional offices, this morning president obama did the very opposite. >> i've got a simple message for all the dedicated and patriotic workers who either worked without pay or forced off the job without pay these past few weeks, including most of my own
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staff, thank you. thanks for your service. welcome back. what you do is important. it matters. >> so with crisis momentarily averted, the president outlined three areas of focus. >> passing a budget, immigration reform, farm bill. those are three specific things that would make a huge difference in our economy right now. >> at the top of that list, those charged with the task paul ryan and patty murray have begun talking and are hoping for the best. >> i want to have a bunl agreement that gets this debt and deficit under control, that does right by future generations and helps us grow the economy. we're going to try to find out if we can have an agreement that does that. >> chairman ryan knows i'm not going to vote for his budget. i know he's not going to vote for mine. we're going to find the common ground between the two budgets we can vote on and that's our
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goal. >> in the next 90 days optimism will be critical. discretionary spending in the budgets is $91 billion apart. no one understands better than the president who acknowledged congress will need more than just a positive outlook. >> all my friends in congress, understand how business is done in this town has to change. >> joining me mark halperin editor-at-large and senior political analyst for "time" magazine who has a cover story this week explaining how texas is our future. i need to read that. syndicated columnist kathleen parker, host of hardball, new book, tipping the gipper. no more timely read now. and host of disrupt, karen finney. and joining us political director and chief white house correspondent chuck todd. chris, i want to go to you first on this.
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the book has come out at an important and pivotal time. listening to the president, i know you're a fan of the speech, do you think the white house will have any partners to work on three priorities outlined. >> immigration is tough and the president has a credibility problem. nobody believes democrats believe in enforcement. they know they have done tough stuff with deportation. we saw the failure last time in '86. i think what he did today, what i liked about the speech, he put the cost of this thing. it wasn't street theater, showing off, it was hurting the country. then he said we have to change the way we do business. it's not about values. it's not about philosophy or partisanship, they are all good how we run our country. it's tactics and respect, what the small part of the republican party, maybe a third of it, showed no respect for who was president, the voters that
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elected him and a weird we they referred to. we, the people. why do they call themselves american people. do they still count blacks as three-fifths? is that the way they count it? come on, why do you say we, the people when the president keeps getting re-elected. you keep saying we don't like him, we don't like him. how does that work? who voted for him. we should get a higher weighting to what we are. it goes with the birther stuff and all the rest of it. >> chuck, lets talk to the point chris was making, the republican party and the lessons they may or may not have learned. from the vantage point of the white house, are they convinced things are different today than they were yesterday vis-a-vis the republican party? >> well, we'll see. i think what they are watching closely is the same thing that i'm watching as a political analyst and reporter, which is how republicans are pointing
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fingers at other republicans. that's the day after going on. orrin hatch unloaded on heritage. he even accused some of these groups, conservative groups, and i prompted him, i said you mean heritage, and he said yeah. he said they are not even republicans anymore. he was critical of them. he was critical, other n nonpolitical republicans using heritage as the symbol taking them down the path. they were the ones that organized town halls that ted cruz was the face of. so the question, what the white house is wondering, does that mean the orrin hatch's of the word, graham always wants to make deals but orrin hatch, the next level over of republican in the u.s. senate says, you know what, i'm tired of the tea party folks. i'm willing to try to come to a larger deal on the budget.
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if they are more comfortable publicly criticizing these guys on the right, does that mean they might cut a deal with tax increases and entitlement cuts paul ryan has been advocating for. so i think that's what the white house is waiting to see. do they have new dance partners in the republican party that's not just the usual suspects. >> new suspects, moderates, can they come out of hiding, is the water safe for them. on some level you would think, yes. it is actual coming out day, extends to folks on that spectrum as well. 62 voted against this. erick erickson has a piece called "ever advancing." whether they like it or not, republicans in congress will find their names on ballots in 2014. they cannot hide or escape fate. conservatives must advance ever advancing against the republicans who have folded in
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the fight against obama care. that is scary stuff. >> it is. erick is consistently scary. chuck is right. there's a significant portion of the republican party who feel heritage acis the enemy. they are taking down the party, by forcing purity tests and challenging incumbents. there's a school of thought as to the new dance partners that the republican house has learned a valuable lesson. in fact, this was ultimately a good thing because there were so many republicans, many newcomers who felt the fight was everything, fight, fight, fight. they had this sort of brave heart delusion going if they just fight, that's winning. i've had some conversations today that suggest there's been a conversation. there's still a few dissenters, a few that will go down no matter what. many have said, gee, i guess speaker boehner was right about
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that after all. maybe there are new dance partners. >> mark, i want to ask a question about immigration reform. adding that into the mix before a deal was gone. the suggestion the white house we're going to go for immigration next seems incredibly shrewd, also take no prisoners. if the republican party, a schism going on a war between factions, immigration only exacerbates that. >> we know what he won in the short-term, a political victory and put himself out of jeopardy for the economy. if you look at remarks, emphasized a talking point on this fight, which is germane for immigration, farm bill, lots of other things. will john boehner keep turning the floor over to nancy pelosi. if john boehner would let there be open votes on senate immigration bill, it could pass the house. i think the president while most people think when boehner has
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done this on occasion, it's been a one off, i think if the president can have a successful second term, reimagine the possibility of john boehner working with nancy pelosi and enough republicans and most or all democrats to continue to pass legislation. that could be a huge development. that's what he was emphasizing today as far as i was concerned. lets get the votes, solve the problem. >> let nancy pelosi -- a tweet, nancy pelosi controls 198 votes in the house. john boehner controls 87, ted cruz controls 144. how is that for the makeup of the power. >> i have to say we're all being optimistic here. you do have several members of the tea party out today saying the problem wasn't our message. we didn't communicate the message to the american people. when did we hear that? after the election. >> the 2012 election. >> all our lives. >> when chris talks about this we and we represent the american people, there is still a faction
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within the republican caucus that is gearing up for the next fight in january. and the question will be what will the moderates in the party do? are they going to let them take us down this path, all of us down the pathogen or sit on it and say we're not going to have this craziness again. >> it seems a little bit restrained. i think somewhere in the middle. i think they have decided not to go after the debt ceiling. that's anti-american in a sense because you're hurting us. i don't think they have been burned by the stove, that red image everybody uses on government shutdown. i think they thought that's something we can do again. when sean hannity, who is pretty much in sync with the tough crowd, 90 days, lets go. we have a fight coming up. a shot already. we're going for that. which means the fight, by the way, very optimistic statement by patty murray. >> just $91 billion. >> and one doesn't want anything to do with revenues, the other wants start of revenues.
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in they have differences that aren't going to be sold by christmas eve. >> another argument over what the 2012 election was all about. >> kathleen, and i would go to you on this, i think this is really a fight for the soul of the american party. i don't mean to be grandiose. frank rich wrote a piece, the furies never end. one-third in rebel hands and electorate it represents are no more likely to surrender than a third of the states that seceded from the union for the same ideological reasons from 1860 to 1861. that's tough stuff but i think there's some truth there. when lou at demographics of certain parts of the country, they are not going to let this go because john boehner had a couple bad weeks, right? >> there's a certain part of that that's true. i can only -- i base my own opinions on my own reporting.
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my understanding, many of these folks who have been insurrect n insurrectionists wanted the vote. not that they wanted the outcome. they needed to go back to their districts and prove they fought the good fight. when john boehner said that, we fought the good fight and lost, my translation of that is, didn't i tell you? his objective is to get things done, accomplish things. he doesn't want to prove he's this great warrior and he doesn't need to do that. the point is p convince them they need to play ball to the end. >> i kept hearing older guys saying regular righter. they are basically saying cool down young turks. i've been here 50 times before and it ends the same way. now you've learned.
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lets move on. >> you were about to say something about john boehner. my question is ted cruz and his enchilada -- you mean -- >> that seems more sinister, enchilada. >> lets have a secret meeting next door. >> red sauce. >> no green sauce. where do you think boehner's power lies here? >> all republicans, john boehner, paul ryan, has decide if they want to be the party of entitlement cuts. that's the trap the president will lead them into. he wants to smoke them out the way he wasn't able in 2011 or 2012. you guys are for this. you ran against me in 2010 saying i'm the guy who favors entitlement cuts. if you want to be for this, lets have you talk about it. if he smokes them out and offers to bail them out i think finally that may be a deal boehner
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takes. it's time if they want to run and be anti-obama, a party at war with themselves or restore fiscal sanity in the long run making a deal because they are not going to get harry reid to sign onto a deal that has a lot of things democrats want. that's where john boehner is going to have to be a leader. how can i build a coalition that will make a deal. that deal between murray and ryan is really going to have to be between boehner and reid and the president. >> chuck, to that end, how easy is it to, quote, restore fiscal sanity in an election year. the president isn't running for re-election. certainly there's a thinking there's a chance democrats could take the house. how much are they going to dance around the edges of the question of earned benefit, social security, medicare and so forth. >> here is the thing. you're having less than a year before an election, midterm election that will be dominated by senior voters because midterms are and seniors turn out in greater numbers.
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remember what happened in the quick float when you had boehner and the president agreeing on the change and the way social security is done and the leader of the house republican campaign committee greg walden say, you know what, we're going to run against the democrats. president obama is the party of cutting social security. >> right. >> this is where it gets tricky. mark is right, this is sort of -- it's a little bit of a trap. what boehner and mcconnell would like to see in their -- the type of things they have been talking about, this is not good politics, not good low cloud torl politics, reforming and changing the way it's going. it's easy to demagogue in the campaign trail. there's a lot of trepidation here. on the other hand, this is their last best chance. >> exactly. >> obama is a democrat. this is a nixon to china moment. harry reid is not going to do
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this deal. certainly you weren't have democrats ever do the deal if republicans are sitting in the presidency. this is a legacy moment for boehner and mcconnell together. do we want to do this? if we really believe in it, obama is our only hope finding a democratic party that would do it. >> john boehner once again offered a legacy moment. we will see if he actually seizes it. nbc political director chuck todd, thank you as always. you can catch chuck weeks days at 9:00 a.m. on msnbc. after the break, they have been called everything from obstructionists to extortionists. we will discuss deniers and defaulters who starred in the shutdown finale as soon as mark halperin answers his phone. next on "now." mike rowe here at a ford dealer with a little q and a for fiona. tell me fiona, who's having a big tire event? your ford dealer. who has 11 major brands to choose from? your ford dealer. who's offering a rebate? your ford dealer.
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>> i just voted no. i could not in good conscious vote to raise the debt ceiling by hundreds of billions of dollars. >> explain in an instagram selvie why he joined with 62% of his party to oppose reopening the government. most telling is the fact the smart vote for gop 2016 crew and those looking to fend off primary challenges was, of course, no. marco rubio voted no as did rand paul, paul ryan, as did the number two in the senate john cornyn who happens to be running for election. the man of the hour, the man who cannot stop, will not stop, senator ted cruz who thinks the whole thing would have turned out way better if not for the
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cowardly senate republicans. >> the house republicans marched into battle. they exercised tremendous leadership, tremendous courage. it should have been the senate republicans riding like the cavalry to support them. if senate republicans would have stood united with the house republicans, that's how we won the fight. they were divided and became an air force dive bombing conservatives. >> america did not just see chris matthews doing his impression of ted cruz. >> the hand gestures, so assertive. >> is it real? ted cruz is a very educated man who when it comes down to it will vote against his own talkie filibuster but last night voted no it's very hard to understand the mind of ted cruz and yet he does it quite convincingly. >> i think without making any judgment about it, it's short-term. he's very hot.
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we've watched political figures that are very hot. it's hard to sustain the heat more than a year or two. he's insistent, now, urgency. that might work if he runs next time. i still think he's too hot for a republican presidential run at this point. rand paul is much more credible to me. his behavior and tactics, his filibuster worked. this fella ran a faux filibuster that didn't work. it's hot like a roman candle. i don't see anybody sustaining that kind of hot nor pulling back. if he gets cooler and thaws out. >> the fire brands that have given him millions. >> he's only been around six months. obama is like in the seventh year of his presidency. obama seems so late in the term but it's been a little more than a year. >> i'm concerned you switched
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from enchilada red sauce to roman candle. >> the thing about ted cruz, he's very popular with his constituency, his little tea party base. but again, you have to work within the institutions. when ted cruz enters the room, everyone looks at their huge. >> a huge problem for the republicans. they are not going to have a presidential nominee for three years. john boehner and mitch mcconnell will never be the public face compete with the president. you're left with governors occasionally competing. the problem for the party is ted cruz is right, maybe the shelf life goes on. he can get on fox, the press conference covered live for the foreseeable future and that becomes the face, sustained face of the party. some other leaders, orrin hatch need to trump him and say you're not going to be the face of our problem. >> i wan to run what orrin hatch
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said about heritage this morning which in some circles verges on heresy. >> heritage used to be the conservative organization helping republicans, helping us to be able to have the best intellectual conservative ideas. there's a real question in the minds of many republicans, i'm not just speaking for myself but a lot of people, is heritage going to go so political it doesn't amount to anything anymore. i hope not. i'm going to try and help it survive and do well but right now i think it's in danger of losing its clout and power around washington, d.c. >> is it indeed losing its clout and power. >> i don't think so. i take his comments to mean last week we have business leaders say we might try to primary tea party people, which means you might have air cover against heritage action folks. with ted cruz he does have this
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small base. think about it, we would not talk about a freshman senator if he did not have genius, mad genius, to pull together an opportunity, that sarah palin crazy wing of the tea party. it has given him -- he gets on fox. he's got the popularity. he had the house members had to meet with him to decide what they were going to do. >> the top of our show is will ted cruz block the american government from being reopened. >> remember, when the tea party first came on the sena lot of republicans were anxious how to talk to them. they are the energy of our party. they are still a fraction of the republican party that knows it doesn't want to anger those voters or alienate those voters ted cruz appeals to. that's where his power lies and he knows it. >> what happens to mitch mcconnell, chris? >> i was impressed. everybody is a mixed bag in this business, even our business. >> definitely. >> he did recognize his role the last week or so. he realized he had a role to
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play, blow the whistle, the game is over. it's time to vote because we did not dare default. sometimes have you to do that. i want to make one point about entitlement reform. there is a precedent for getting together, '83, very difficult. alan greenspan put it together, finally choreographed but reagan wanted it off his back. a progressive solution. what does each party need. if one party says we're not touching it, that may be a problem. if they are willing to find a way to do it in a progressive way, raising taxes, some way they find a way for democratic solution the fact these programs are totally out-of-bounds they might do it. it's going to take real intense politics, good partisan politics, not bad partisan where you figure out we've got jim baker over here, shrewd political people who know their politics and get things done. i'm not worried about a government shutdown, i'm worried about political shutdown.
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i'm worried about the ability to move dynamically and put problems and decisions behind them. all we do is accumulate problems. they have to make a decision on immigration one way or the other, decide what's doable. maybe not citizenship, i know it's tough enforcement on jobs, that kind of thing. i think you have to move forward. the idea is just going back to work every tuesday and thursday, that's not going to solve anything just being there. they have to do stuff together. that takes leadership. that was a reference to my book. >> tipping the gipper on sale now. >> i love that book. hearing so much about it. >> didn't know who wrote it um now. to the point of leadership, mark, the fact that mitch mcconnell, who is getting primaried actively from the right could come out and do what he did is a testament to the fact that, a, he's been around a long time. >> he's going to win. he did the right thing and they know it. >> he raised $2.3 million in the
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third quarter of this year. he has netted $10 million on hand. his competitor, challenger has about $600,000 in personal funds and $822,000 in the bank. setting the money aside, mcconnell took a politically risky position and survived. >> default candidate. here is the guy who said we should have defaulted. >> we should be urging citizens and journalists, we should be urning people on the ballot in 2013 risking their jobs to do thins the next year. as chris says problems keep accumulating. if immigration reform is going to pass, people have to risk losing their jobs, both parties. entitlement reform. people have to risk losing their jobs. mitch mcconnell did that. he's a behind the scenes guy. we're not going to see him at a signing ceremony with the
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president. people have to risk losing their jobs. we should welcome that. as chris suggested he probably won't lose his job if he does the right thing. >> he did display great leadership which is what americans are starving for. by the way, lets put him and ted cruz in the same frame for just a minute. when mcconnell was giving his remarks about why he decided to vote in the direction he did, ted cruz stepped up to the bank of reporters and tried to inject himself. the reporters said, just a minute, we'd like to talk to you. we'd like to hear what mitch mcconnell has to say and cruz stepped in and made his remarks. that wasn't smart. >> that will come back to bite him. i risk losing my job every day. you can catch chris 7:00 p.m. and his new book "tipping the gipper chl is the must read of this mom and every moment h
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henceforth. >> at least until the holidays. thank you, chris. coming up, as much as it was a defeat for republicans, yesterday's 11th hour debt deal was a boone for democratic optimism senator heidi heitkamp joins us just ahead. so if you have a flat tire, dead battery, need a tow or lock your keys in the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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let me be specific about three places where i believe we can make progress right now. first in the coming days and weeks, we should sit down and pursue a balanced approach to a responsible budget.
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number two. we should finish the job of fixing our broken immigration system. number three, we should pass a farm bill, one that american farmers and ranchers can depend on. >> the deal is being described as a fool's errand or worse surrender. yesterday's deal to open the government for three months and raise the debt limit until february, was it a victory for democrats? democrats seemed to think so. senator schumer had nothing but praise for the commander in chief. >> every time i saw the president, must have been 10 times during this fight, you could tell he was a different man with his body language, what he said. he made up his strategy just as he told you when he started. he never, in previous times, well, maybe we should compromise a little here, didn't budge once. >> house minority leader was effusive about her counterpart
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harry reid. >> i never saw anything like what harry reid did. to watch him was watching a master at work, superb, politically astute and stamina. >> one thing all democrats agree on, the fight ain't over. joining us democratic senator from north dakota heidi heitkamp. senator, thank you so much for joining us especially on a day you must be tired given all that has transpired on capitol hill. i want to ask you first, how are these negotiations different an here negotiations. as a woman, i ask you did the presence of strong women change the dynamics of this conversation? >> that's been a lot of the talk here. the bottom line is, moderates came together and said we cannot tolerate continuing to cost this economy $24 billion. we can't tolerate $160 million every day getting spent. we have got to resolve this
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impasse because we've got bigger issues ahead of us like resolving the budget. not just picking out time lines but actually resolving this budget going forward as the president said. >> senator, i agree with you that moderates came out. some part folks would argue the reason moderates were able to come out, democrats were such a wall, so united in the fight against negotiating over the debt ceiling and the government shutdown. do you think that's going to be the new move in the democratic playbook? >> i think when you look at it, and i get asked the question a lot. people thought that was those who want to side with the idea we're going to use this process to delay or really object instruct the health care law. and you know, the reality is that when i ran, there was $10 million worth of advertising saying she'll support the health care law. what i said, there's good and bad but i'm never going to vote to repeal. i don't know where they got the idea we would take this as a strategy that was at all right
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with public policy. so for me it was, i love a farm bill. i didn't stomp my feet and say you better give me a farm bill or i'm not going to vote to open up the government. it was amazing to me as a member that one or two people could actually cause the american economy $24 billion. >> let me ask you a question about the affordable care act. i think a lot of folks said the democrats in the white house lucked out they had the smoke screen of republican chaos to turn the national attention away from what has been in some folks' minds a disastrous rollout. now that the crisis i see over, how concerned are democrats about rollout, aca, next six weeks, next six months. >> i haven't waited for the crisis to be over to be concerned about it, i'm concerned whether people -- my state elected not to do their own exchange, so we're on the national exchange. so this has got to work for people who desperately need
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health insurance. we're going to be asking serious questions. we need to understand, any of us who have run big agencies, done conversations and done computer processes like the one we're talking about, understand that there's going to be some initial problems. i think that i'm more concerned on the back end that products be affordable and people actually be able to for the first time in their lives, a lot of them get health insurance. >> senator, i'll open this up to folks quickly. karen, the president alluded to in his remarks today, it will be interesting to see how much they own this problem. as of right now, i do think they have had to talk much about the rollout, other than referring to the glitches. now that this is going to be the focus of the country, some folks are saying, and robert gibbs is on the show, someone needs to get fired. this is a disaster, we are owning it and fixing it. >> absolutely. they definitely need to come forward with this is our plan. i agree with robert in that somebody gets fired, here is the
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new plan, here is how we're moving forward, here is our metrics for success. clearly there's been a smoke screen. day by day you read this many people are able to sign up. more than glitches. people want health care. the sheer number of people who have gone to the site tells you this the right idea but base it on "saturday night live," 1-8 - 1-800-flowers not ready for valentine's day. they have about a week to get their act together before this becomes what we're talking about. >> senator, i also want to ask you about the farm bill. you mentioned it before the president picked that as his third priority. i think a lot of newsrooms were scratching their heads, put it on that level, which is not to say it's not critical and very, very, very important to the country but it certainly had not been discussed a lot in the national dialogue. are you confident we can get something done here?
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the house bill cuts $39 billion to food stamps over the next 10 years. the cuts in the house bill are 10 times the amount proposed by the senate. is there some ground for compromise here? >> well, i think what you have is you have a senate bill that proposes $24 billion of real reform. that's a pretty attractive thing for a budget committee to take a look at. i think the other reason why the president listed it, we've got a farm bill that has expired, september 30th, along with the government being shutdown the farm bill expired. we have people planning for crop year, american agriculture 16 million jobs, bright spot on the economy, why would we rick that and not get a farm bill that gives certainty to our producers and certainly creates certainty in our food security. >> we will certainly have our eyes trained on the senate and lower chamber to see what happens in the coming weeks. north dakota senator heidi heitkamp, thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up while paul ryan was busy being gop's center.
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wisconsin congressman and former republican vp candidate paul ryan is used to name calling both good and bad of he's been called delusional and a clown by the left and dubbed
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the intellectual center of the house republicans by the right. what ryan is now used to, however, is a challenger. when he runs for re-election next year, he won't be running unopposed, probably. amar kaleka whose father was murdered in the sikh temple shooting outside of milwaukee plans to challenge him in 2014. he said there is a fever and specifically in this district for leaders to stop playing politics and do their jobs. i want to bring democracy, a government of, for and by the people to america. kaleka says he will formally announce his candidacy next month. joining me amar kaleka, a filmmaker. thanks for joining the show. i have to ask you, you are a documentary filmmaker and set to run against one of the most prominent republicans in the country. what is bringing you into this fight and do you think you can win it? ?
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>> i absolutely think i can win it. a lot of people can win it. i think paul ryan has taken 13 years and done his best to demolish the middle class and his home district is feeling it. me being from middle class descent, immigrant, know it best. i've seen people go through hardships his stances and party stances have caused. >> lets talk a little about your personal experience. you mentioned your immigrant background. your father was slain in the sikh temple shooting, our condolences for that. how much is that going to be part of the narrative and how far can you push gun laws. 47% want them to be more strict, 43 stay the same. >> my father, absolutely has he on my mind, heavy on a lot of the community's mind. when he was murdered by a
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neo-nazi, white extremist who formerly served in the army, it opened my eyes to a number of missteps our nation is making, one of them being gun laws. 100% background check is nothing that should be debated, it should be a mandatory thing if we want the guns out of the hands of criminals or people clinically insane or in this case the person who came into our temple and shot it up. he had multiple duis, kicked out of the army. a background check would have effectively kept that gun out of his hand. >> i'm going to bring in our pan here. mark, paul ryan, setting aside the gun safety issue for a second, paul ryan has an interesting history in wisconsin. he did not win re-election by as wide a margin as previous years. in 2008, he got 64% of the vote. in 2010, 68, 2012, 55%. do you think he's vulnerable?
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do you think more he's the face of gop in washington that helps or hurts him back in wisconsin rainfall it's a balanced district, kind of a purple district. his leadership role cuts both ways in the district. he's not a prominent member, obviously on the ticket, he's not a prominent member who forget his roots. he goes home a lot, travels around a lot. he takes a leadership role taubs about changing entitlements that could be an issue with a lot of voters in that district. it's going to be interesting if congressman ryan is going to risk his job to do what's right. the president will give him cover if they strike a big deal. i think he's also got to consider whether he wants to run for president. it may be that calculus gets tied up in 2014 when he thinks about whether to run or not. >> kathleen, could paul ryan be a serious challenger in 2016? >> yeah, i think he could be, i really do. he's got strong support within the party, even though he's been
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sort of on the margins in the debate strategically. >> marco rubio. >> exactly. he's highly respected. he does, as mark says, he's done a very good job of keeping up with his constituents. he has a warm presence, a well run home office, those kinds of things. the sense within the republican party of him is he's matured and seasoned as a result of the vice presidential run. i think he'd have a good shot, i really do. >> i want to ask you about wisconsin and constituents you're talking about potentially representing. what is the view of washington at this point? i mean, i don't want to denigrate public service, i think a lot has been done to vilify people who work in government but at the same time how much do you think this whole shutdown and debt ceiling fight that's going to play into house races and specifically the one you're entering into in 2014.
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>> i mean, with paul, i've met him put pell times and his office multiple times. everything you're saying, he's a lot more out of touch than you guys are saying. a lot of people walk up, he was picketed at a factory that was shut down in the area. everything going on in government right now, people are sick of the politics and games going on. they are seeking leadership. essentially because toddler the ones losing money. the people in the middle class are losing job opportunities. the people that are in washington and i've been there plenty, i think they are very much out of touch. >> amar kaleka, potential challenger to paul ryan. thanks for your time. we look forward to the latest developments on your end. thanks to our panel here, mark, karen, don't forts to watch karen on "disrupt" at 4:00 p.m. saturday and sunday.
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