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on the perception that the u.s. may be an exploiter of terror. if they already say a russian businessmen victor boot will not be extradited to mediately he's wanted in the u.s. on charges including arms smuggling in terrorism. the mastermind behind the double suicide attack on the moscow metro in march had links to international terror and at worst the evidence was uncovered after mega bed bug was killed in a special operation by russian security services. time after the alone a show picking up on one of our top stories the alone it takes a close look at the new wiki leaks release and what if anything it says about cia operations stay with us on r.t. . welcome to the loner show get the real headlines with out of the mersey we're coming live out of washington d.c. now today the much awaited new leak from julius onj and wiki leaks was unveiled
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kids details about americans who are turning to terrorism and then taking it abroad so we'll speak with jane where you're from the young turks to get his take on how this leak might affect the u.s. and their foreign policy next we're going to tell you about the case of troy davis he's been on death row for years accused of killing a police officer in georgia but there is no physical evidence on which to base his guilt and international leaders of all calls for his release so how does this story make the u.s. judicial system look what discuss the case with georgetown university professor christopher chambers then a disturbing report reveals that rwandan forces invaded the town in congo destroying homes and raping women and children and all this was just twenty miles away from u.n. peacekeeping forces so where were these forces when the congolese are the most we'll speak with an international security analyst for the united nations and we all know that americans are getting fatter and fatter but who do we blame for it
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some are saying that it's about more than just how much food you consume it's also about what's being paid and put into your food before it gets into your mouth so have a debate on the issue to find out if the government needs to get involved and what americans eat also we'll bring you an update on the long battle with blackwater and its former c.e.o. eric prince recent reports say the prince has fled to davi but we're going to speak with a law firm that followed him there to get in the deposition that's going to be at the end of our show but now let's move on to our top story. as promised we get leaks released a fresh set of documents on their web site today and this time the cia was their victim the red cells special memorandum outlined in a very concise three page document examples of american grown terrorism that targets not american citizens in the u.s. but rather non u.s. persons in other countries have examples range from the five muslim american men who traveled from virginia to pakistan to allegedly join the pakistani taliban as
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well as a pakistani american who conducted surveillance in support of the two thousand and eight attack on a hotel in mumbai also on the list jewish americans who supported and engaged in violent acts against perceived enemies of israel and irish americans who have long provided financial and material support to the irish republican army now the biggest concern here for the cia was questioning what this would mean for the u.s. to be seen increasingly as an incubator and export of terrorism and what impact that would have on foreign affairs so what do you make of this latest release earlier i caught up with jane from the young turks i first asked him what he thought of the cia central question as to what will happen if foreigners begin to see the u.s. as an export or of terrorism. i don't think much will happen i don't. think they're coming from the u.s. instead of germany or yemen or somalia i don't think is
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a big implication there i mean if you're an american citizen i think you're slightly thankful that they're leaving the country you know just went to somalia to go fight well you know better than doing it over here i suppose if you're an american citizen. better they are on our soil but it doesn't seem what they're worried about now is that the way other countries are going to view america and you know one thing that i found interesting too is that the cia to me and you know just from this. very three pages here didn't seem so concerned with the idea that you know homegrown terrorism is becoming something that's more prevalent to me it seems like they are worried about some of the legal ramifications that this might have for them if other countries you know really take a look at these documents like all of a sudden oh my god we're not going to be able to bully other countries into cooperating with us you know letting us go in there and extradite people and having to cooperate on interrogation and detainment and oh good lord what if they are make
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the us join the international criminal court or do you do you see any chances for more pressure now to bill. well you know the extradition thing is a real it's serious you need to have cooperation from other countries to be able to work with one another whether the intelligence services or our justice departments in prosecuting folks so that's a legitimate concern of course the reason that we don't want to be part of the international criminal court is because we're afraid we would buy a little out of a lot of international laws and we will be held liable so if the cia's worried about that it's probably for a good cause they probably should be worried about that now of course you know i think we should obviously be part of the initial international criminal court so we don't break those laws in the first place and we understand there are consequences to our actions i completely agree with you on that one now ok so they're afraid about the negative effects that this might have in any way especially in regards to
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perhaps al qaeda do you think that this kind of report could benefit in the sense that while i hate you know now it's obvious this is this isn't just america's war you know that needs to be fought abroad. but it's interesting you know i too could be in a slightly different way i took at the. p.-p. people here have a lot of leeway and freedom to do things and that's part of the reason that some terrorist cells are growing here and then going abroad. you know you could make the case that hey isn't america great in some ways and we're so well. sometimes obviously sore disadvantage and sometimes two wars of the peace sells wind up going somewhere else to other people's disadvantage but on the other hand it's not like we're clamping down on all muslims despite all of the you know the ground the so-called ground zero mosque nonsense etc it is so proud to say are you see how
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much america hates us when we seem pretty open well i don't know if i can live with you there because you know what yeah it hasn't happened yet perhaps i'm not clamping down on at all muslims in america yet you know that's the irony here is al qaeda is using this head isn't america great if you have a u.s. passport you can travel freely around the world you know if you're a white guy then you can travel more easily than perhaps an arab looking guy thanks to these american inventions like facebook and youtube al qaeda can you know chattaway on the internet and you know that's where the irony lies is now they're using are exploiting i guess these great american freedoms to you know using them to their own advantage to help them recruit and to help them plan you know some some of these projects so i kind of worry that information like this might end up backfiring in the sense that the cia would say see. how they're using our own freedoms against us and in that sense maybe try to clamp down on civil liberties
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even more. well of course i worry about that too but the way i see it is freedom isn't free you know that's what it is a slogan that conservatives love and i i love to do because look of course everything has consequences and so for example we let people drive really and it leads to a tremendous number of car accidents where thousands of people die every year does that mean we should take your freedom away from driving no it means i'm forcing this was the price we pay for having the the ability to travel in that way the same is true of you tube and facebook yeah i'm sure it can be used for evil. in general it's part of our freedoms and that's part of the price that we pay on that and but i think ultimately even if al qaeda or other groups might use it in the short term to their advantage in the long term it becomes our advantage because they're ironically doing a walking billboard for america so they're telling even their own recruits is that
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the america lovely with all their freedoms let's use it eventually some of those recruits might go. maybe sort of attacking then we should join them there but that's so weird you know that that's the odd part about the fact that american citizens that are to live here are the ones that are now perhaps you know resorting to terrorism like clearly it didn't work on that ledge and let me ask you this and i think i'm either you know the answer you know compared to some of the other leaks that we've seen from wiki leaks compared to the u.s. afghan war diary as compared to the collateral damage video do you think that this leak of a release today. is you know as powerful. you know i don't because it and we largely knew this i mean it's not a surprise we just found out you know how long ago it was but a month ago or so the somali group went to somalia. to do we're training over here so we knew things like this were afoot. so i don't see it as very damaging in that
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sense for how you know it's resonating if this is looking into things like this and has this red cell group but i don't think it does much damage in terms of a leak or new information we are let me ask you one last question very quickly you know just in general about wiki leaks there's a lot of debate as to whether they are really being you know heroes of journalism here or whether they're criminal but i think it's clear you know from the prevalence of from wiki leaks that something is missing when it comes to the mainstream media and so you know what is what do you think it is that's missing what do you think it is that you offer since you yourself have such a large following and get great ratings when you go on cable news channels. but well look i think the rest of the media is taking what the government says too much at face value and you know the view of government press release is something that's authoritative and hence you can trust it whereas if it doesn't come from the
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government and it's something like wiki leaks or whatever else it might be you have to look at it was skepticism because it doesn't come from a quote unquote efficient source and i really think their lips journalism on its head you should look at what the government says with skepticism and you should be looking for other alternative new sources that bring you real information dead is it wedded to power we're supposed to be challenging the government we're supposed to be challenging power that's supposed to be the whole point of reporting in journalism and i think a lot of this stablish or media has totally forgotten that so they're great disadvantage indeed you are unfortunately very correct thanks so much. thank you. so to come on tonight's show has the hate surrounding the planned mosque near ground zero led to a brutal attack of a cab driver we'll have more in a suspected hate crime against a cabbie who was muslim and we'll look into the death penalty the case of troy anthony davis is this georgia case an embarrassment for the u.s.
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justice system we'll speak with georgetown journalism professor christopher chambers in just a minute. for the full story we've got it's. the biggest issues get voice ceased to face with the news makers. tonight we have a wake up call on the islamophobia sweeping new york and the rest of the country new york city police say that attacks the cab driver was stabbed in manhattan last night by a passenger who asked the cabbie if he was muslim to
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a cab driver called nine one one and locked the suspect in his cabin till police are right in the capital cavity suffered stab wounds to his neck and arms but he is expected to survive and the driver has lived in the u.s. for twenty five years he has four children born in this country and he's driven a cab in new york for fifteen of those years and police have charged twenty one year old michael and right of brewster new york in the case but their right doesn't really fit the type of description of somebody who would commit a hate crime he's an aspiring filmmaker who had recently been to afghanistan working on a documentary on a marine unit this high school buddies served with their reports that he was drunk at the time of the attack but this all brings me to the point of my story this so-called ground zero mosque has brought out the worst in people in this country we've seen politicians we've seen every day americans make hateful and despicable comments about muslims we've also seen fox news a with their audience into
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a frenzy on this issue and my question to all of those bashing muslims for political gain and for ratings is what happens when one of these people actually get killed will you have blood on your hands. now the case of troy anthony davis has gained worldwide notoriety davis was convicted for the one nine hundred eighty nine killing an off duty police officer and is currently on death row the thing is there was no physical evidence to prove davis is guilty and seven of the nine witnesses who originally identified davis as the murderer have since recanted some alleging police coercion and intimidation in obtaining their testimony of the likes of pope benedict jimmy carter even desmond tutu of all called for justice in this case and a new court ruling may have been that hope again last year the supreme court instructed a federal court judge in georgia to consider significant evidence of davis is in a sense that surfaced after his original conviction but now
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a federal judge in georgia has rejected all those claims of innocence so what does that mean for the u.s. justice system we're here to discuss it with me is christopher chambers georgetown university professor and author of the blog that turner's revenge or thanks so much for being here. you know what do you make of this case do you think that this is an embarrassment for the u.s. justice system or think so i mean what's going on here is a supreme court playing ping pong with a man's life i mean not just troy davis is but officer macphail sues the who is the victim i mean you know he's waiting for final justice in a way to family and his family and they're playing ping pong here i mean they sent this back to this judge with this weird you know assignment to have him prove his innocence i mean that's something that only heard of it's new and it shows that there are the liberals and the conservatives on the court are really going to come together and bash heads on this and now you have to obama appointees on there it's
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really going to get wild and in the meantime you have this man who's on death row who's dealing with evidence of people recant thing testimony if that doesn't create you know if the jury had heard that. would there have been reasonable doubt very likely would be having this conversation when i was there i originally i think the notion in this country that you're innocent until proven guilty and again you know this case is just so unbelievable like you said seven or nine witnesses have recanted they've even admitted police intimidating jackley here and there is no physical evidence so it's just it's amazing you know how do you fix this kind of a system i don't know i mean they because usually when this goes up to the supreme court they say yea or nay as a death row appeal there's some civil rights issue be implicated here here they went through this weird these weird machinations and sent it back to the court not for a full new trial but just for the judge to say hey prove to me you're innocent what
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the judge actually is supposed to be doing is saying what would a reasonable jury do if they heard this you know this new evidence. they didn't tell him that they said tell the defendant the guy was about to get a needle stuck in his arm to prove that he's innocent well when you're about to take a life and i know i mean there's another side to this there is other evidence there's officer macphail to think about but when you're about the state's about to take a life you've got to have all your t.'s crossed and i's dotted there are people in supreme court now include you know clarence thomas and justice scalia who basically said well if you put innocent man to death you know sailor gare is as the french say i mean if certain if you can check off a certain list you know that's too bad well you've got them on one side another group on the court and the other and there briley bashing heads on this and the result is going to be bad for trying to dance what's so amazing to me too is why the supreme court in america has never ever ruled on
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a case as to whether or not it is constitutional to put someone to put an innocent person to death well. the judge in this case actually did say it's against the eighth amendment to put innocent person the to death but here troy troy davis is an innocent so he's playing a little game here and i think the federal judge in this case i don't blame him because the court put him in the middle of this now they're going to have to kick it back to them and they're going to have to really fight it out they don't want to do that because the conservatives obviously they want to keep the integrity of the system the liberals on the court either want to do with the death penalty entirely or make it much more harder to put a man to death it should be hard to put somebody to death i agree and i think that's probably why this case has gained so much international notoriety as well because essentially you know my view you know looks like our system just plays games with people's lives i mean this man has already had three different execution
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date sat exam one time he was two hours away from lethal injection you know so that shows you how we treat this lease on life. mean this case is so convoluted in that regard that it's hard to cover it i mean the mainstream media kind of pulls back and puts it in the box of black man kills white cop and it's been going on for twenty years but there's all these weird legal issues going on and part of us because we're here for sure it's about our system but i just wonder why do you think that the fact that the pope that jimmy carter former president has been to the truth all these people have called for justice in his case. in a way that holds no bearing because there is no physical evidence because it's based on eyewitness testimony which is the most notoriously bad form of proof and then these people say well you know what i did maybe i didn't see him that maybe isn't enough to say look you might not be guilty but at the you definitely were not going to put you to death and people like the pope are saying if you're going to
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respect human life due process and things like that if you have eyewitness testimony is being recanted hey i didn't see him or the cops made me say that you have to let him go or at least give him a whole new trial it's a murky case but it definitely shows you know that there are issues that need to be addressed in our system especially when it comes to taking lives chris thanks so much for being here you are coming up the t.s.a. is getting very personal when they hat you down at the airport security check lines will tell you what's behind the move ahead and a new report from the u.n. a disturbing picture about the effectiveness of u.n. peacekeeping forces in the congo we give you the details as they return. every month we give you the future we'll do you understand how we'll get there and what tomorrow brings the best in science and technology from across russia and around the world. join our technology update on our.
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you know wasn't all that long ago when only police would skew the times are changing the transportation security administration as the t.s.a. has started performing what it calls enhanced pat downs at two of the country's busiest airports in boston and last las vegas now if you decline to pass through those revealing body scanners that are up for debate will then be screened by a t.s.a. agent or the enhanced pat down it almost sounds kind of sexy though during the old pat down searches screeners would use the back of their hands on certain sensitive areas of the body but that is not the case anymore now when you get the new pat
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down screeners will use their palms and they're not worried about those sensitive areas several people have already told newspapers in boston and vegas that the search is a little much one guy said that his screener kept probing and pushing to see if he was concealing something in his general area and another woman said that her screener lifted her breasts to see if she was concealing something underneath them now i don't know about you but that sounds like it's a little over the line to me sounds like groping or fondly sounds like something that you should be able to be arrested for you see i'm all for airport security you keep everyone safe but there has to be a compromise do you really want to get felt up and getting on a plane we're already being robbed of the ticket counter well all the extra add on fees in the airlines and now have to be sexually assaulted at a security checkpoint it really just makes you want to take the train or stay at home all together now the a.c.l.u. says that they have concerns about these enhanced pat downs and so do i the t.s.a.
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isn't exactly known for its competence and effectiveness so does anyone else out there feel like they're just simply grasping at straws without any conclusive evidence that these invasive measures are actually increasing our safety and you know i can just picture exactly who they'll be enhancing their pat downs on so good looking people out there be aware of the t.s.a. . a very disturbing report came out this week which has reignited questions about the effectiveness of u.n. peacekeeping forces according to this report rwandan rebels occupy the congolese town of for four days looting local homes and gang raping more than one hundred and fifty women and children all this despite the fact that less than twenty miles away two dozen soldiers from the un peacekeeping force were completely unaware and even made mobile patrols through the villages surrounding the town itself but failed to
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notice the rebels had simply run into the woods to hide so how could this have happened and will this be the final nail in the coffin for the un's credibility as an international peacekeeping force well joining me to discuss it from our new york studio is decks torie barton an international security analyst for the u.n. thanks so much for joining me you know has there been any kind of an official explanation from these u.n. peacekeeping forces that were there as to how this was going on for four days just twenty miles away had absolutely no idea. well the territory around the least six all the villages that were attacked is extremely inhospitable it may sound like you and peacekeepers were right next door but this is twenty miles of some of the most rural infrastructure and some of the most the destroyed territory imaginable in the congo this is an area that's been wracked by violence you know not just through the civil war but throughout the aftermath and the idea that u.n.
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peacekeepers knew about the attack but then failed to act is absurd what we are seeing is the result of the shattered civilian and social infrastructure in the congo why don't think of the idea here is that the un peacekeepers knew about the attack and ignored it quite the opposite it's what is the effectiveness of the un peacekeepers if they're there you know i mean let's get a few numbers out there this was at one point the un's most expensive peacekeeping mission twenty thousand peacekeepers in the country what point four billion dollars was the budget for the last year here and yet you know murder and plunder clearly continue here so i mean do you think about proves that the u.n. peacekeeping forces here are not effective. well let's talk about numbers for a moment the the budget for this year's operations in congo is actually one eight hundred twenty three billion and of that less than four hundred billion has actually been received by the united nations countries have yet to actually put their money where their mouths up india or congo we've seen troops in the same
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province going into action throughout the period where they were allegedly neglecting their duties on august first they were free hostages in north kivu province on august second and they were working with me forces in the exchange of fire with the same rwandan rebels who attacked these villages i think peacekeepers have demonstrated their value and they've also demonstrated that they are able to project security when the infrastructure in terms of development accompanies the gains made in security obviously there's going to have to be changes made after this it is not acceptable that violence on such a scale takes place out this. level especially coming up to the end of peacekeeping mandate in congo probably next year but we should all say that the u.n. is the villain here the real villains of the rebels who attacked these villages well i think the question here is not whether the u.n. is a villain or not again is whether the u.n. is effective whether somebody else could do a better job and as you said obviously now there are going to have to be some changes after this grave tragedy occurred but what kind of changes you know what
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are they planning to do. not only in terms of action but also in cleaning up this horrible p.r. story. well first of all the real action will not take place at the p.r. level whatever p.r. consequences there of the u.n. or the organization will shoulder that the question is how to strengthen the forces as he said what we need is first of all greater numbers of troops on the ground twenty four troops in an area patrolling three hundred square miles not acceptable more than that the villages which were attacked out of the seven villages there was one working telephone line in those villages before the attacks and that probably played a critical role in preventing villagers actually contacting the authorities when the attack began subsequently after the attack villagers had several days before they could actually get to the main roads which were all quite by rebels or to contact the un forces so those kind of changes strengthening the communications infrastructure immediately following this attack will go a long way to avoid preventing further attacks ok my last question here is as
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you're right infrastructure strengthening that communication is one part of it but it's also knowing who your friends and who your enemies lot and who your enemies are you know there's been a lot of questions questions lately about allegiance and about intentions you know certain people that have been absorbed into the army that may have been warlords now there have been army commanders a huge have supplying the very forces that they're supposed to be fighting against with weapons and humans rights watch even says that the un might now be risking becoming complicit in atrocities against civilians so how do you fix what's to be done. when we choose partners to work on the ground in these conflict areas we need to choose them carefully that's a lesson i was emerged out of every single conflict which the un has been involved with since the second world war in congo we have on reliable partners often we have people who you can always determine their exact allegiances all the motivations that's a fact of life it will go on we have to ensure that the monitoring mechanisms in
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place are strong and that the outside world including organizations like human rights watch or listen to inside the united nations and i think in terms of the progress we've made in integration partners into the u.n. structure the results speak for themselves and frankly a jag noted that in i'm sorry we're running out of time i have to wrap it up but this is definitely a region that needs more international attention thank you so much for joining us absolutely. all right still to come the glenn beck tea party rally is here this weekend so we're going to give them our tool time award for the safe zone and visiting the nation's capital when that minutes and we'll look at the through the week here in the u.s. could the chemicals in the additives in our food be making us that artie's you when have these we'll have more coming up. online whistleblower wiki leaks leaves again but as its latest revelations felber search the war about.


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