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get basic necessary supplies. the allies here aren't he'll be back at the top of the hour with more dates in the meantime aldred off asks a u.n. representative in darfur whether southern sudan's referendum can bring peace to the country devastated by civil war spotlight is next here in r.t.e. . hungry for the full story we've got it fixed the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers on r t.
hello again the welcome to spotlight the interview show on r.t. i'll bring alban today my guest on the show is it i him. on the ninth of january the people of southern sudan are expected to vote on the future of the region that referendum since it has gained independence fifty years ago it has been torn apart by ethnic and religious conflicts that you regions of the country darfur and southern sudan are the biggest headache for the government these days while the violence is still raging in darfur southern sudan is making an attempt to find a peaceful solution but will this referendum bring peace to the region we'll ask him gun body they join special representative of the african union and u.n.
mission in darfur. the ethnic conflict in darfur has left hundreds of thousands dead millions of victims were forced to flee to neighboring countries but another regional government and the local people seem to have come to terms with their future in sudan is going to hold a referendum it will decide what the region agrees to be a part of sudan to become an independent state a positive result could give added impetus stronger succession claims by sadanand darfur and in other countries like nigeria and south africa. how mr gambari and welcome to the smoke pleasure to be on thank you very much thank you very much for coming well the referendum on january ninth in southern sudan well the people are expected. to come to the. poles and to make.
their valves do you believe that it will pass peacefully then that everything will be according to the law the sofa will say so good my responsibility is. limited to a therefore of course vote my colleague from in carriers is in charge of helping the parties to implement the comprehensive peace agreement c.p.a. or with the referendum is key nonetheless in a very supportive way you know media walks with. my sister organization armies to sure that all the logistics support needed for the registration which is has been concluded including in about sixteen centers in the four where about one hundred fifty thousand people registered out of a possible voters of three hundred thousand went very peacefully. and if that's an
indication of the rest of of south sudan and the rest of the of the country so far so good well let's take a look at the history of the skulls that in sudan then reported by spotlights you enter the middle of. the sudanese civil war has been described as one of the longest lasting and list was of the late twenty's same cheree it went on for twenty one years and could only run two million lives the war between the muslim north and largely christian south ended two thousand and five peace deal but peace between southern and northern sudan has always been volatile when sudan was a british colony the two provinces were administered separately after decolonized ation the two areas were integrated and the arab new with received most power which led to one arrest in the south since then the history of sudan has been that of endless insurgents is what adds fuel to the conflict. is that the noose wants to
dominate the south which is reaching resources including the well to two thousand and five comprehensive peace agreement has given the south twenty six years and the promise of a referendum on. the time the referendum is approaching the southern sudanese vote on very little. mr mr gambari is there still a possibility to maintain the unity of the country will will a federal state be created ever in sudan well the compressive peace agreement actually provided for it time between when it was signed and the referendum on january deny two during which time to make unity attractive and vote the government in the north and the government of southern sudan were to walk to make unity attractive but the option of war was always there for the people to exercise their
right of self-determination to choose whether to remain part of a united sudan or to go their separate ways i think. we'll find out of cause after the friend on what is the choice of the people but the good thing is board the government of sudan and outsiders today and most of the african countries endorsed by the united nations have said we must all respect i said and respect the decision that will be made as a result of the referendum but to make the unity attractive after the referendum both sides have to agree on such issues as the future of oil sharing assets liabilities security international agreements border there are occasions citizenship and water who will maybe a the resolution of these of these issues right now the african union has set up a panel high level panel led by president bakiev the former president of south
africa. to war with the parties even before the referendum one of the issues to which you're a fire actually meant to have been resolved before did a friend but. several include a big a which you did not which was the mission very contentious issues but. i believe the parties will need. others to walk them through this. or poor sort of random issues which are very can including the status of southern sudanese who be in the north and another sudanese who will be in this up by to kill issues the people of south sudan of oppression but what is clear is that they all remain sudanese who are linked by history by tradition. and you're graphically next to one another and as they say you can choose your friends but often you cannot always choose your neighbors in international relations well here's how
president dmitry medvedev described russia's attitude to the referendum in southern sudan. it is my firm conviction that no matter what this referendums result is it will not only determine the future of sovan sudan its people who also have a substantial influence on the general political situation in the region i hope that the referendum will produce a result which will make it possible to establish the conditions necessary for continuing the post conflict settlement process and ensuring sudan sustainable development. is there a risk that in order to prevent the session our southern sudan had to could withdraw from the two thousand and five conference of peace agreement now how would the african union and the un react in this case i sincerely doubt that that is likely i think both sides have committed to implementing the c.p.a. the contras if there is agreement the african union have come in support of the
implementation of united nations particularly secular mr banking one has made it a priority of his administration to help the parties to a sure a that the reverend goes well and also that the outcome is reflected by the international community so i think the international community should look. beyond the referendum and try to help the parties. address a lot of the issues that will still remain even after a disease choosing one way or the other is there a possibility that certain sudan can declare independence unilaterally and if this happens made lead to military conflict like we witnessed say between ethiopia and eritrea i doubt it again i doubt it very strongly because there is at this point and as i said i'm not really a principal irresponsible for the implementation of the c.p.a. but for what i can see because in darfur that there is not that likelihood because
if you look at the enthusiasm with which the people of south sudan have registered for the vote. the interest of the huge numbers and even in the north of sudan where the turnout is not as high think people wanted a friend on today please they want to exercise their right to vote and to exercise their right of self-determination. of the independence of southern sudan may lead to a necessity to review the. grievance on the status of nadal is this is this pretty dangerous to to start reviewing these agreements. once again this is not an issue which is principle irresponsible but i think your denial is of such critical importance to all the neighboring countries that i would defer to their judgment as to how best to do to proceed but i have seen that air force base by egypt by
its your peer by uganda to ensure that the waters of denial is truly something for the benefit of all the people you know you know the point of view of your colleagues our politicians another african countries there are similar maybe not great but similar problems in many regions of africa do you think that the neighbors and and other countries on the continent are afraid to see a precedent happen in sudan that can perhaps be a precedent for the for the separatists in their countries believe that that is so however in need to succeed for the heads of states i mean of the african leaders in cairo reached a decision that i thought is very wise and has been held up which is to say that the clue nearly heritage boundaries however the future they may be separated people who want to be united and offer uniting people who perhaps would be better if they
were separated does do but boundaries should be respected and if there should be any change then it should be by mutual consent only one country is european nutria has actually gone. outside of that parameter so clearly the african leaders recognize this problem in many ways in many countries in africa have a southern sudan possibility. but nonetheless the african union which is a successor to the organization of african unity have said let's abide by the united sixty four declaration and try to address. problem so that this is not a dinner option says even to him govern body joint special representative of the african union and the u.n. mission in doubtful spotlight will be back shortly stay with us.
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options that i saw at that moment either i'm going to kill him i'm in jail or he's going it killing me. welcome back to spotlight of in just a reminder that my guest on the show today is a brahim body joint special representative of the african union and here in a mission in doubt for. missing america what the does the international community and mostly the african union do for the refugees from southern sudan is there a chance that they will be able to return to the house anytime soon well the
refugees mostly. dead would be by the united nations high commissioner for refugees and of course the africa you know supports them one is open and that the outcome of that of random will not lead to a massive movement in either direction and therefore there's been some contingency planning on the part of the united nations board united nations mission sudan which is committed to helping the implementation of the c.p.a. and the referendum and also you know me which are beyond not to lead which is of course concerned with therefore making some contingency planning on how to address that as we heard earlier on the show today russian president shows special interest in the situation in sudan and he hears his own represent special envoy to sudan mr mr margelov and he was a guest on the show and spotlight is what he said a quote there is a liaison between the desire for rebels and the authorities of southern sudan and
well what consequence will the in the pens of southern sudan have for the situation in darfur complicated but they are the same time is a call also. be resolve some of the issues that is the equivalent of you feel of course we want a peaceful relationship between war and southern sudan whatever the decision may be as a result of the referendum because as you know right now there. in southern darfur they have there are some bunder issues which are sudden there for southern sudan that sudden sort of become independent then this will become international borders so the problem will be accessibility secondly as many of the opposition groups in india for seem to be moving to as jim is believed to be their. minimum now we believe not only believe he said it is in in juba and right
now there is. a conflict between the government forces and that of s.l.e. we who live there is in juba so there is the the danger that. this spillover effect of the the outcome of the of the referendum who have negative consequences for for the for what we are working on this we are talking to all the leaders of the movement talking to the authorities in khartoum to really make this in win win situation well your predecessor mr dowd they came pretty unpopular in western governments and western capitals by the end of this turn after he said the following the conflict and therefore is over and degraded to low intensity violence what's your point of view is a confident of it's not over but it was a right in that up to the first six months of this year more people getting killed
as a result of criminal activities as a result of tribal into arab conflicts in there for than the open confrontation warfare between the government of sudan and the our movement but six was the second part of this year with the religion of the. conflict between the government of sudan forces and that of jim the just isn't a quality. movement led by a leader brand and opportunistically joined by hazily up to where he'd and now with the direct confrontation between the government forces and those of used to be aligned big government clearly more people are now dying from this conflict than than previously so i cannot see that the conflict is is over years ago by the south african president mr tabb mbeki he drew a report by african union panel on darfur and in this report he wrote i quote once
again on the key dimensions of justice and reconciliation and security and peace and political process progress has been less than i had hoped what is the biggest failure and therefore what would you say i think the biggest fear is really of the biggest challenge is lack of trust and confidence between the government of sudan and not only the armed movements but also the generally displaced persons and the and the refugees saw there is the need to rebuild trust and confidence there is the need to address the root causes of the conflict in there for which is about power sharing about wealth sharing about land about composition and about about justice and the end to impunity. earlier this month
a military attack. on the part of the sudanese government on the very full rebels. yes prompted you to demolish the government well what was hard to miss reaction when they listened because what i did but they didn't listen but because we have two primary mondays you know me first protection of the civilian population and the facilitation of the delivery of humanitarian assistance. to those in need so windy as conflict we often feel is restrictions by the government and often by the arm movement themselves which prevents us from. delivering on our common is all we have to demolish the government but our dissent and also demands or those who are of structuring the free movement of our patrols and. undermining our ability to fully deliver on our common good or protection for civilian population and of course delivery of humanitarian assistance ok well speaking about speaking about the
african union peacekeeping missions does it lose lots of soldiers itself from determining how many how the law for the time of him is that is african mission sudan which is exclusively clue civilly african union mission to the time that i speak nigeria which is the biggest true conduit a country has lost twenty seven soldiers who wonder which is the next biggest contributor has lost seventeen. killed so really quite quite a number to too many because this peacekeepers and we keep mission in their attack on international peacekeepers is a war crime is is a violation of international law and has to be of probably investigated and those who are as possible need to be punished ok investigations the most important aspect i think of mr mbeki is recommendations and therefore was the establishment of a hybrid court consisting of sudanese and foreign judges to try the the
therefore work crime suspects which international body can help implement this proposal of mr mbeki first of all the proposal to be accepted fully by the government of sudan adding i don't think so and that there's a lot of discussion as to what should be the composition of this court how will this be integrated with the laws of the land of sudan so there are still as he has said in there. the report to which you referred that this is an area which is reported to the africa you know meeting the peace and security council meets in tripoli a few weeks ago that has really achieved less than he would have wished so there's still a lot of work that needs to be done for the agreement by the government then by all the other stakeholders and they will come to the issue of who are best able to support this but the need is there to create a body in which all the major stakeholders of the four will have confidence because
when for good people have left their homes one point eight million one point nine million internally displaced and to go back they need to have a sense of security but also a sense of justice the information coming from her to makes me as person mistake as you are because you see well for example the president has said and bashir he rejected the idea of mr mbeki saying the following we have an independent judiciary and the judicial is to tuition has the final say in forming any courts inside the sudanese borders do you personally believe in the independence and efficiency of the sudanese judiciary is really not for me to express when i believe it is of the people of therefore and of sudan and that's where i've needed another person mystical an optimist but it really is to suggest that it is up to the people of sudan particularly of the four where there's been
a conflict in two thousand and four two thousand and five and if you want to have the one point eight million internally displaced not to mention refugees to return to their home then you have to have sudden conditions including security what they say is that impunity will not continue and a system of justice will be there that enjoys their coverage so i would suggest there's a lot of work that needs to be done to convince. the forty s. and. of course the authorities to move in the direction of a system whatever it is in which everybody would have confidential let's get back to the politics on the continent do you think that hard to now may may may risk losing the support of african nations. i i don't i wouldn't group that conclusion now because it would but there is a risk as there for there is always there solace a risk but but the african leaders they have set up this african level after you
have a panel of three former heads of state prison because the chairman president we're of burundi president. of nigeria and they're working very closely with the authorities in khartoum to actually minimize those risks and so there has been. a member of the african you doing good standing from the point of view of the africa you know has tremendous opportunity to talk to and listen to the wise words of their colleagues in the african union well thank you thank you very much for being with us and just to remind that my guest on the show today was he but i have got a body joint special representative of the african union and human mission in dar food and that's it for now from all of us here if you want to have your say and spotlight where someone in mind who you think i should enter the next time you drop me a line at albert enough at r.t. t.v. dot our year and let's give spotlight interact movie that with more first hand