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welcome back here with our team here's a look at the top stories british m.p.'s accuse a government of brave misjudgment over the selling of weapons to arab regimes now using their hands to their own people the u.k. sold over three hundred million dollars worth weapons to colonel gadhafi shortly before the libyan uprising began. a priest in finland finds himself under attack for speaking out against chechen terrorists ilke remarks that sterling said borders and also the film child person extremist islamist website work mark make statements
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about terror rushed. them breaking the news breaking the budget u.s. networks count the cost of covering disasters and war but still find the billions needed to pay their star anchorperson some outlets have spent most of their annual budget in just a few months. now our special report on the infamous guantanamo bay detention center is coming up next as filmmakers expose what's really going on there. tor nelson is featured as a witness in an investigation about the photos apparently he also worked at guantanamo when the request for tougher methods was sent. he agrees to meet with us and explain the methods used there. between one thousand change of scenery out and change of scenery down this is where you take a person out of the environment that are used to and if you put them in a change of scenery out there you put them in a nicer area change or scenery down i mean if you're going to put them into an
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isolation chamber cold conditions face lab stomach slap if you can hit them enough so that it shocks them especially if it's allowed slap but you don't actually break any bones cut them bruise them then that's an effective technique because it's the way that they would usually referred to as putting is actually placed over their head. and the interrogator. chops their questions at them through the through the hood a pro longstanding if they were to do it for five seconds it would be too much of others after five ten minutes it really starts to to wear down their physical resistance increased anxiety by use of aversions if they had phobias of heights or . of certain animals you might introduce that to make them uncomfortable you could use these techniques if you got ten people to maybe give you a little bit of information using these techniques i guarantee you i could get one
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person to give more information if i was to convince that one person that we're the good guys and that we're their friends. throughout. time that i was there there was pressure from the results. they were worried about are you abiding by a chain of command such that wasn't on a daily requests from higher command. requests that were coming down the pipeline or what information you got cooperation which sources have become key sources and that's what they're worried about results because their mentality was well under that we've got them in detention the more people we're going to break in just
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a matter of time it is just. one time will become a testing ground for interrogation techniques which are then exported to other places. it can't be a coincidence that the same things we see in photos from abu ghraib in iraq are described in documents from guantanamo in cuba. but what is the connection and who exactly sent the request to use tougher methods . it appears to be the same two star general who baucus had problems with. and if you look at the date the request was sent october eleventh. only two days after barca's left. and one month later neither barcus nor the two star general are still at the base. a new man has taken
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command general miller. the interrogation techniques that we use in j.t. ikhwan tommo are approved by the senior leadership of our government. shortly after miller took command rumsfeld personally approved the request for tougher interrogation methods he had only one objection to the inquiry requested permission. force prisoners to stand in stress position for up to four hours. in the margin rumsfeld himself. i stand eight to ten hours a day why is standing limited to just four hours was it like that when when backless left he was soft. and then short beer and then ken miller who really. sort of
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started the harsher techniques. i believe had no difficulty with pushing from his own office to get more results and that was that was. no decide this man wanted everybody to break. and believe that the only right that people there. was the right to give us intelligence it was the only right we're in the business of winning the global war on terrorism we also conduct ourselves as americans always do everything that goes on in camp delta is a representation of what we think makes america great. we decided to come about because again this time he was more cooperative. yes rick back you know i called you actually long time ago i thought time you didn't want to.
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talk. i'm not at liberty to give any of you to the point. there are so many rumors. that i bow to that we don't want to end. things. in it wrong way but what is the timeline for your story. was in order to speak freely with permission from the pentagon ok and if the ok give you permission to participate will you be available for an interview then i would make myself available correct ok really good we would it by the former commander. talk about it i mean. this case you can you basically deny it to even to do i can't tell them what it is for he said ok. we approve it in other words we. write it it will do it.
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why does the pentagon want to silence about us. who fired him and why. and who was it the took the interrogation methods from guantanamo cuba to another great. maybe the answer can be found somewhere else. after the scandal not too great when the photos came out command of the prison camp was taken over by none other then general miller. miller was sent to have a break to clean up the mess after the scandal. the person miller replaces is general janis karpinski many consider her to be responsible for what went on in the prison in iraq since she was the commanding officer at the time and it was her
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soldiers posing in the pictures. jedi. enemy yes that is an echo this could be a cultural sweden hire a car you know. the kicks pick. i mean i know the stocks. maybe your area of interest but. you heard about the dispute between that concept out of it because of the turkish and techniques. i think that that white activists were fired. it takes up yet. and see everybody down it kuantan a moped under miller they were all required to sign a form of statement from the government which is called a non-disclosure statement and that means when they leave guantanamo bay they can't
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discuss anything that they've seen or heard or participated in i have to meet you when you live in it about i live in south carolina which is right on the coast. rumor has it become pinsky is now in an open conflict with the army as they're being demoted and relieved of her title as a general reason for the abuses in the prison she's been found not guilty but because three years ago she said to have shoplifted a perfume bottle richie's even said to heat general miller and that she accuses him of the abuses in abu ghraib. like baucus she was chief over the military police and like him she also came in conflict with the interrogation leaders and just like baucus she was replaced by general miller could she know something about how
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interrogation methods developed at guantanamo could show up in photos from abu ghraib prison iraq it's not a coincidence if the request for more aggressive take me a memorandum was forwarded after baucus left here's a guy who is trained as a military police officer knows geneva conventions knows crossing the line and knows the limitations and is forced to command the military police detention operations in guantanamo bay that he discovers or maybe in the process of his assignment there they determine the geneva conventions no longer apply there if you met him no i have not and he has been silent. it's almost eerie silent he's been with him and supposed to mean they're fired first baucus and then he fired you why do you talk because i didn't sign a non-disclosure saying number one and number two i know the truth
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i don't know all of it obviously but i know the truth and i know i didn't know what was going on in cell block one a and i know that they didn't let me know because they knew i would have screamed about it and i know that the m.p.'s that were there were directed to do what they did now someone senior to them made them to believe that it was ok. somebody who claimed to be an interrogator from up there he said ma'am the real purpose of those pictures was to make the interrogations easier. we all agree that. we'll feel like we were doing. things that we weren't supposed to because we were told. we think everything was justified because we were instructed to do. you know alice. hoglan carrying any regrets let me. talk
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to secretary of defense about this just morning broke away specify the truth and then tell the iraqi people in the world the truth we're with we have nothing to hide and we we we we believe in transparency because we're a free society that's for free societies do. they intend to take any and all actions as may be needed to find out what happened and to see that appropriate steps are taken the investigation went quickly and the only ones prosecuted was the seven soldiers pictured in the photos. and the miller was sent in to clean up after the scandal yes i would like to personally apologize to the people of iraq for the purpose of the cording to karpinski general miller had already been in abu ghraib earlier before the pictures of abuse came out. he came from guantanamo on
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a secret mission and general miller never mentioned it but we found out later that he actually came on the same plane and secretary of defense rumsfeld he did this in brief with the all of the interrogators and the commander of the military intelligence brigade and general fay austin and people from her staff that were involved in interrogations and he started out by saying that he was there to assess their operations. to help them get to achieve more actionable intelligence he said but i think you're you treat the person well if you gentle with sid you really need to treat them like dogs because if you treat them any better than that you've effectively lost control of the interrogation and before that meeting was over he said. with. the lessons that they've learned and their take techniques from guantanamo bay and in other locations he was going to get no audience.
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this is the report of the general miller and his seventeen experts from left after their visit to abu ghraib just one month before the scandal broke out. here you can read his suggestions on how he would like to make the interrogations more effective for example he wants to use the military police who previously were only used as prison guards to prepare the prisoners for interrogation. and here is an overhead found. that no one wants to take responsibility for the interrogation methods of the same developer kuantan them. and here is miller being questioned by a senator about his visit to abu ghraib before the documents came out it your team specifically greece that these methods could be used in that prison that are contrary to. no methods contrary to the geneva convention were presented by the system stream.
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everything started to change. his defense mechanism as i was only there. if i had been in control of that prison and knew what was going on out there it wouldn't have gone out. even though karpinski and barkus lost control they both kept quiet as the new methods were introduced maybe there are no real heroes in this story only people with more or less control and some people who seem to be outside of any control or regulation. when we read the documents we discover strange little detail.
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in the scandal surrounding abu ghraib it's not just soldiers in the investigation. and there were also civilians involved in the abuse against prisoners so-called contractors that for some reason were never brought to trial. what exactly is a contractor the man in the red tie is paul bremmer. he was generous karpinski his boss in iraq. the man walking beside him with a machine gun isn't a soldier he's a contractor from blackwater we're talking here about a mercenary we're talking about a hired. gun. and when you have in iraq. a man with a gun. who is hired to use that weapon you're talking about a soldier without the battle group there are no rules regulations governing the use the people. we wanted to get in touch with someone at blackwater who can explain to
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us what exactly a contractor does. irony. trying to reach mr burt success and i want to ask talk to regarding the press issues. calmly blackwater so many times that we've lost count but they don't seem to want to talk to us. but it appears that the coalition doesn't just use blackwater. the fact is there are over twenty thousand private contractors in iraq they constitute the second largest force after the american army and hundreds of firms around the world around private contractors. have. one search for eastern romanian security companies. were in
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bucharest where did you have to live show us what their services include. the world like a private company in all other countries best and worst. with me decide. to write. in the private system of more mobility. away because. or over the old me this is to. have the rules it's not the left not the right. only. so what we've got is a situation where we have a thousands of armed arrests and those in iraq using their weapons without any rules without any rules of engagement have any law behind it that is no role for the.
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forty first marine who killed in one week not a single story appeared in the paper the coalition need these people because they want to ricky said casualties. in a sense we're using freelance. mercenaries as sound bags to protect not only our soldiers thought the casualty figures and the purpose of. that's one tunnel do you think there were contractors there to contractors just started to be used rated towards the end of my tour. one time up and there was only one or two that i saw one when i left when we're talking about a grade the percentage goes from maybe five or ten percent of the overall force up to fifty percent of the actual interrogation and analysis force there you you were a grade as soldier no i don't grade i was
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a civilian contractor. and you listen to this way think of it i'm confident unconventional war think of a conflict for example the one in iraq think of the balkans think back to world war two when you take. people captive to corral to hold it or not most of us to these there's a legal basis for that this is the same principle that is being applied the only difference is that we are in an unconventional war where the world is against a private organization rather than a state and you would see this way think of a. comparable unconventional war whether it is against me privatization of. the state. to get anywhere is no. good it is nigeria we have here does not belong to responsible. is not going to.
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be earning of an unconventional war the war is against the simon organization. in essence taking many people who don't do leave this to you just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. not can you tell them. the nonsense the question she doesn't believe the one they don't believe the. what do you want to tell those who don't believe in you and your story. i hope other detainees who will be released later i hope that they will be able to explain in a stronger way. i mean this thing would have noticed and why were you there if .
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ok basically in the serial here we have camp for chant for open and in march beginning of march in the camp for is for detainees who are cooperating in detainees that are that are on getting closer to be released or sickness or. just left. plays it is as we can hear from here ok the voices they hear are around the voices of detainees in the camp. in one reason why you can hear him so well because in the nighttime it's very quiet out here though not as many vehicles moving so because it's so quiet in the series you can hear the voices of the detainees. what are they. they are units eight by eight with a certain what do they see what do they say they have the they have the opportunity
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to speak to one another so often. you know also i would imagine that you're talking to one another some of them may be praying some of them are just just talking and they may be talking to someone farther down the yelling yelling toward stamps or just normal conversation and sometimes you do hear prayer to call the prayer or just chattering in a prayer prayer . what happens to the prisoners still counted one time among and what happens to those who are released. they're going nearly four hundred
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separate rehab this is to watch all of the by more than one files and trials additionally some one hundred eighty congressional representatives have just sort of the facility. arguably no to change and facility in the history of warfare has been more transparent or receive more school boards from. us we've been at one time or more and we still don't know what really happens inside them. but maybe that's not the most important thing because what we do know is enough. we know that there are still prisoners held inside their last of their right to remain silent. and who don't even know if they are ever going to get out. john miller knowing it won't
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tolerate it's been reported to delta seventy two point nutritionist schlessinger arrests later types of question escalating levels sprinkled harshita called withholding full putting for days at a time naked isolation and called ourselves is that correct or they're scared or clear and correct ever have to carry correlate in the correct. eleven immediately. limitless.
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the. machine would be soo much brighter if you knew about someone from finest impressions. who for instance hot seat dot com. they faced this is not a provocation but more of. a form which it should be scary for you sure to support you trish because they have no idea about the hardships to be faced. by one it is this is it is open to new systems for any army the life of abusing them is the most pressure.


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