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hello i'm john harshman to washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight the big picture of the g.o.p. presidential run for the white house is quickly becoming a run for the wall of shame how much longer will perry romney and bachmann continue to make fools of themselves before they seriously commit to take down president obama in two thousand and twelve and billionaire warren buffett feels the country's wealthiest should pick up the slack by paying higher taxes so will my conservative analyst back his opinion we'll see in tonight's lone liberal rumble.
you need to know this it's beginning to look more and more like the republican field is not a race for the white house but instead a race to the bottom the bottom being the most radical far right policies you can wrap your head around first there was rick perry earlier this week accusing federal reserve chairman ben bernanke he of reason. socially now in the a life. free . training course.
he followed up those comments today by accusing climate scientists of manipulating climate change data for many. one of their views i do believe that the. issue of going to morrow as to the size of yours for scientists who have to do a gaffe so. severe. and i don't think reminders for america to be engaged city much. still a scientific theory has proven i guess risk rick perry is just doing his part to make sure america remains the only developed nation in the world that doesn't acknowledge manmade climate change is actually occurring but not to be outdone by the newcomer from texas the republican front runner for president mitt romney unveiled this new camp campaign platform to create jobs fire public workers
federal employees to get to many of their patients much and the many cases they do a good job we respect the work they do it's important work we just have too many me also attacked president obama for planning to take a vacation to martha's vineyard later this month even though mitt romney is hosting a twenty five hundred dollars person fundraiser at martha's vineyard on the same day the president will be there which brings us to michele bachmann the third of the top tier republicans in the race if you are counting ron paul was the mainstream media's not side from having to defend her husband's gave therapy clinic bachmann is now trying to defend her position against government and outs at the same time collecting almost three hundred thousand dollars in government handouts for her family farm she also dusted off the old obamacare death panels argument yesterday at a town hall meeting in south carolina. saying this about the president's health
reform well. his plan is there's a fifteen person board of political appointees this year points how do i pay our board this board people will need making the be magical decisions for over three hundred million americans when in doubt go for death panels right so who's going to come out of this rat race and take on president obama next year it offer his take on the republican field is democratic strategist karl frisch syndicated columnist the crawfish partner of bullfight strategies here in town for a welcome thanks tom. several a day in a circus circus yeah. coming out of the i was struck first of all what's your take on the g.o.p. field well i mean far be it for republicans that i would ever try to improve their sanity coming out of a straw poll it's as if every four years or every years when they have a straw poll they try and find the most electable you know that they can and to
give them a little lift coming out of this you don't think given that you can buy balance that thirty bucks apiece michele bachmann bachmann got six thousand of them and supporters and about forty two hundred of them turned in. given that you can buy ballots you think the mitt romney would be like way ahead in this i mean the guy's got for him on the last especially he bought the last straw poll one thousand made and he won it and i worked on the two thousand straw poll that george w. bush won in george w. bush is the only republican to ever win the straw poll the caucus the nomination and the presidency i think he might even be the only person to have up or won the straw poll and won the nomination but he bought it to i mean it's just a real beat fundraiser for them and to say that he won the presidency is you have to have a conversation or a supreme court that's their. thoughts on the blue republican group there's this group that has sprung up that is arguing that in close primary states democrats should we register as republicans. so they can vote for ron paul in the primaries
because there's like this general sense of outrage i mean when the when the straw poll results were announced i was sitting on the right over there and my phone being so i you know we turned on the t.v. to see what's going on c.n.n. wasn't covering it wasn't doing news news anymore and i seem to see it wasn't doing it was a prisoner show but there was fox sure rest of america turns to fox right and for the next forty minutes they would live in iowa nobody mentioned the name ron paul i mean literally they were talking about the first place in the third place and fourth place and you know so any of what you think of this phenomena and what do you think about the whole the whole thing of the media ignoring ron paul particularly republican media sure when it comes to fox news you would think that rand paul ron paul's son was the product of immaculate conception because you rarely ever hear about ron paul on fox news i'm not a paul fan and i'll tell you why he's got a lot going for him politically he raises a good amount of money he has a lot of ardent excited supporters and he's read only
a couple issues and it's far as i'm concerned but the man's career is one checkered with racism it's checkered with positions such as not supporting the one thousand nine hundred sixty four civil rights act so i'm not somebody who would support democrats voting for somebody like that he's extremely homophobic he only let the libertarian streak run up so far that being said for the republican party to continue to ignore him i mean if we did that on our side you can only imagine what people would be so i think actually we have to dennis because senate has been marginalized although there haven't been pay for play kind of operations like the iowa straw poll for democrats i think people take paul more seriously i mean grease is a significant amount of money but he did really well most wonderful lyndon la rouche of the republican party and he's got these these followers sure almost as i don't know we're both going to get hate mail from them but but what he should do with that money is run compelling tell. visionaire this is just
a political strategist let me run compelling television ads on his issues and do real scientific organizing on the ground to get his voters out when he doesn't do that he comes in sixth he comes in seventh and you know i don't know where the money goes that might go to winning straw polls but straw polls don't matter the only straw poll that matters is the one election there are ok and so if ron paul is way out here and mitt romney is way over here as moderate ron paul libertarian you know more than extreme in republican circles you've got this this far right which is basically a tea party sure and all these tea party candidates the new york times came out today and said that the tea party is number twenty three out of twenty three they're least they're less light than atheists and muslims who in republican circles it's not politically correct to openly hate you know so if the tea party is doing so poorly with the american public and yet the republican base is pushing all these tea party candidates in are they going to end up with another barry goldwater
situation i think it's very possible i mean with rick perry and michele bachmann in particular. the tea party if we all recall those poll numbers of the tea party love to push back and you know two years ago a year now to go sixty five percent of americans approve of the tea party that's what sixty five percent of americans thought the tea party was what they read about in their high school or you know junior high school or elementary school textbooks right now they know what this tea party really is and they don't like it a bit carl on the democratic side is joe biden is considerably older than barack obama and it was four years that we've been over that and i think a lot of democrats think that he's a little bit of a loose cannon to be president. or maybe have characterized that run but whatever he's not generally considered to be the guy who's going to run in two thousand and sixteen is a possibility f.d.r. did this three times picked a different vice president is it possible that obama might do the same thing to pick somebody who could run strongly in two thousand and sixteen i don't think so.
a i don't think you need somebody who is sitting in the white house or as vice president to run in twenty sixteen b. they complement each other very well i mean in the places around the country that the president needs the most help. are the same places that he did the most help in two thousand and eight places like ohio places like pennsylvania. and the boy done well from scranton vice president joe biden continues to offer the same type of help he offered four years ago i can't imagine that will be replaced i think could be on the campaign trail before we know what yeah i suspect you're right karl thanks so much for that thanks tom it's. the republican primary is all fun and games until you realize one of the people could actually become president of the united states and so president obama is paying attention. it's time for a daily poll your chance to tell us what you think it was that is question the founder of pay pal is funny in a floatin utopian libertarian city no rules no building codes no minimum wage will
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view who would have lowballed machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called sasha's when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more. it's wednesday then i went on the lone liberal and go up against two expert political commentators to debate the week's biggest stories so far on our panel
tonight daniel helper the deputy online editor the weekly standard and jamie weinstein senior editor at the daily caller jane great i would us ok here's the very first set up here rick perry is the man of the week at the jump into the race last weekend right he's been talking about all his job creation here's what he had to say. since june of two thousand and nine texas is responsible for more than forty percent of all of the new jobs created in america and i think about that we're home to less than ten percent of the population in america but forty percent of all the new jobs were created in that state. well you know that sounds great but there's a little fuzzy math here take a look at this graphic this is according to the bureau of labor statistics it turns out that texas is actually last in the country for job creation if you count for
population growth to the way it worked out four hundred thirty seven thousand people moved into the state many of them from mexico or from nearby arizona where a lot of hispanics are feeling increasingly unwelcome only one hundred thirty six thousand and found jobs meaning that texas has across the nation the most rapidly rising rate of unemployment period i just i have unemployment increase in the nation not only that most of the jobs perry's claiming credit for were created by government as government jobs thanks to obama's stimulus project a graph on that as well so rick perry's job creation record really a sham right unless he wants to either credit president obama for a couple hundred thousand illegal immigrants who were fleeing s.b. ten and eighty and arizona or coming in from mexico i mean i don't i don't have to here sit here and defend perry i'm not a perry booster but a fact of the matter is he actually created jobs you could give the same things obama stimulus in other states people were coming to the state because they saw an environment where jobs are being created people going to the state you can as they
saw an environment where people will speak spanish is a second language proudly instead of eight when arizona the state next he came from all over not only just arizona and other places and they weren't worried in arizona about all of those hundred thirty six i guarantee you the minimum wage. argument could be made between low paying jobs but you know what's better worse than a low paying job no job ok so did i hear this right daniel the genie and i'm wonder if you're going to back him up is now officially taking the position that government creates jobs i never said anything you just said me created jobs ok so what i can do for you to use nobody's disputing that the stimulus created jobs through this deed create jobs the question is was the most effective way to create jobs in that it created enough jobs and with that create lasting jobs created as many of them i can rick perry. sure it created them and now they're now they're teetering out so it creates them in short amount then you stop spending the money then you must have jobs but that's not mean that's how economics works that's the keynesian view the keynesian views of course then keep on spending and and but i
don't recall anyone in their pockets in their bio you disagree you would disagree because i want to hear it was very i put it was he was a magician the government can create jobs and so far it reduces regulations i have allows the entrepreneur class to expand expand the sum of rick perry by taking obama's stimulus money everyone took off and spent most most government most governors that obama's stimulus money you could make that case promise every government america he still has more job rick scott he stood up and there's very few that you can say that easy but portable point is that he how he struggles to spite despite taking the governor everyone taking it he states the group more jobs in other states you also good more unemployment huge you didn't dispute the fact that rick perry state of texas created forty percent more you just said when you sent up forty percent of the jobs of this country all in all the statement everybody had those and i see if you go back just six months the numbers change quickly if you keep if you're here you should bet is picking their interest better if you go back ten years from when he first became governor it's actually more
astounding now you have to divide by the population rates and other states that have higher property and job after you look at these eyes of the present order between texas and mexico and the number of people coming across that border which is lower are of course on guard and i could wish california arizona where they are now and people not texas and there are a lot of factors the question is who has created a better jobs growth environment rick perry or is or is democratic opponent president obama and i don't think there is any dispute that rick perry state has been far more successful in the united states. as we know about the job better order and reserve operated out of this out of your and that's that's the central tenet of the of the next election so we need to we need in order for her critics and. and more i think you realize he'd rather be working had no job at all warren buffett has made big big news this week he wrote an op ed the new york times saying his tax raised and seventeen percent taxes is a billionaire and secretaries pain twenty some odd percent people in fact actually
here's this quote he said while the poor middle class fight for us in afghanistan and while most americans struggle to make ends meet we mega rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks my friends and i have been coddled long enough billionaire friendly congress it's time to get our government to get serious shared sacrifice box news call up followed up i call it an ice socialist take a look at this. warren buffett one aka the new york times today said we should be i think you mentioned earlier we should be we should be taxed more i guess for the people who are going to live up to because you've got the ones who create or you're not getting any of these job creators tax them a little bit more because they're not doing enough already what is this i mean is he completely a socialist so very simple question there is simple question for both of you is it socialism to ask millionaires to pay the same tax rates as their secretaries in their job and he is not he is not a socialist warren buffett no discussion that's what he but he's not necessarily
right in this issue for starters you know you can tax the ultra rich where you want to over what if you were over one million over ten million dollars in the way he suggested it's going to raise a minuscule amount to deal with our long term fiscal problems is almost irrelevant secondly when the republican tax reform is at almost it is very very close or hundred four hundred individuals the united states have more wealth than one yet if you have the need for the right person at more than what you're suggesting that every other image is not then why is it that when when clinton raised taxes three percent on those on the very rich people that we saw a balanced budget and it was the entire deal of us that he didn't he didn't and he didn't pick for long term drops of three percent in and it could also be in order of the entire event and so that we even when it when it was moving towards a balanced budget it didn't account for a long term fiscal problems. on our social security and medicare problem there is you know there is a past what do you do to live by the story my question is not am neither of you answer answer my question here is it socialism a good way as for millionaires to pay the same tax rate as their search i say that
you have socialism in the fox news clip even fox host did not call him in the fox news group that you just played he did not call me a social asked whether it was whether he was a socialist there is a difference a small difference about what perhaps gets him on but the larger point is that why doesn't work buffett who is not a socialist i agree and i think i believe is a capitalist and it's a very successful one at that why doesn't he write a check to the government and give proceeds give a lot of his money like he wants to without forcing other people to go that's a cheap shot but it's not a decision to shot if it was not achieve what it is or a completely irrelevant to the issue he said so that's like that's like you know you saying well you know i'm opposed to government regulations my saying well why don't you go out and write some different i mean i think that is nothing quite a lot it's not because they actually has a child who is the resident who is ready to lead but not socialism to as billionaires to pay the same same tax rates as their secretaries is it not un-american to defend the idea that billionaires should pay half the territory that average work week when we went what would your the matter is there's
a pattern that republicans are trying to push that lowers the rates. loopholes that was going to increase the amount of taxes he pays and if you ask warren buffett one buffett has had a hidden some of his tax revenue in foundations and when they ask him well why don't you put that up for taxable. bigots foundation and my kids who are running these foundations can handle this better than the government why does he get these foundational breaks and he's asking for more tax but the tax rate is this is what i want to you want to do away now you're talking out of both sides and i'm saying that he was the one to him so you said as he wouldn't we shouldn't have government funding for things like health care and charities and all those people because private foundations should take care of that on the other hand you just said but when rich people give money to foundations they should you know that's i don't know we should be just sort of this i want to you know i'm just. he wants people to pay higher taxes if he is himself you're trying to hide his hat you're hiding it accorsi is just some small part of of course he is the problem with. seventy percent he's paying seventy percent as most of his incomes tappan capital gains which is taxed at fifteen percent what you make you live in sydney and you bought
around the pool waiting for the dividend check to return to back for them as as as we normally love it says for you his piece is that the total number of people that we're talking about here is something like four five hundred the problem is that the prophecy that the president has on the table which warren buffett is supposedly supporting it does not affect four hundred people in fact it affects much much more and not just millionaires and billionaires but also thousand there's they don't call it that because it sounds it sets right because it's a laugh hundred thousand years one hundred whatever dollars whatever else is there's always like you milliners the point is they're not super rich people so are it's so if warren buffett says it's not coddling me write a check do it ourselves but but i'm just i'm really glad to hear that you guys all see that you supported something great the organization seems standing institute is going to create libertarian communities that float around the ocean i'm really curious to get the thoughts on this they're going to go way out in the ocean so they're even free of law and see trees i mean truly lawless territory pay pal
co-founder peter thiel has put this thing together here's a quote he says we're going to this is from him he says we're going to create a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians stymied by indifference at the voting booths have been unable to advance no welfare loser building codes no minimum wage and few restrictions on weapons. ok no building codes no minimum wage i think it built by the cheapest way i mean it is the businesses that were like the b.p. oil spill what's wrong with people going there they want to go there i'm just i'm just i think it's most important he said is no structure that's not weapons because last time they tried to do this in the one nine hundred seventy s. the island of minerva took over an island in the congo near the congo to tonga thought it was their territory and cade said they. obviously a very low tech flotilla and forced the the libertarians off the island so one hopes that they have a bigger military for this new approach because right now i question if the libertarians create this little village and libertarian decides that he wants to
build his apartment building three stories higher than all together and they all kind of like the sunlight they were getting what happens. that's part of living in a libertarian utopia we'll see what kind of people are say rude they're not screwed there's no bill no there's no place no actual consensus. moving very well. well here's a quote yours only very moving to the island you want to see having a social contract or essentially i'll be a social contract so i'm the social contract is whoever gets there first wins i guess and so you know one of the big things i call libertarians republicans want to smoke dope and get laid because you know they want to decriminalize pot they want to and the laws against prostitution are taken so where where are the where these guys going to get their hookers from are going to take turns take a look at but it will probably be a probably good market out there for a hooker to go out but that's not really the so there's always that are they going to import all of their cheap labor is that is going to run honestly i think he will be and i think will be more akin to remain in the city where all the entrepreneurs
go well in an iron man's real life i mean they were they were having sex parties all the time peter to us maybe they are going to take turns peter tools worth several billion dollars he's an exceptionally successful and wealthy businessman and entrepreneur that also means that some of the things that he's invested in have not worked out and have not been money making opportunity sharing my skepticism you know i'm curious just as you are but but but him giving one point two five million dollars to this project is like the quick one of somebody else that ravitch american going to disneyland it could be fun with another housing or another house of justice should be built on a gesture i'm going to like it should be noted that big the person running this project is the grandson of milton friedman well that's interesting because of the last rushing the city but if they're going to import a bunch of labor because somebody's got to do the work and they don't want to do the work they're going to bring in a bunch of labor and they're not going to offer a national universal health care we can bet on that what do they do if somebody gets a contagious disease what happens if somebody shows up with the per kilo sensor or you know some people are really virulent no no already there i mean what you know
here we have you know he knows nations have national health so innovative because of public health purposes but they were so innovative in this island because they have they have no restrictions on people developing faith they will have. as you have been here out of manitoba you when you go and you do prevent disease by just isolating yourself yes and isolated out of the ship them off unless i'm. trying to please everyone i risk comes in and then ok here's our guard quote for a question this is where to go here where if we learn one thing coming out of iowa it's that the candidate for president needs to be careful about eating corn dogs michele bachmann and rick perry learned this lesson the hard way and back in two thousand and six so did president obama with a hot dog so they're good for a question well put a bullet will political consultants now take lessons learned and for big future presidents or candidates for meeting phallic food don't ask don't tell policy. i want to look i want to see what the fried butter looks like. butter on the stick
wow that was great thank you very much jamie dana great to have you with us. coming up did the bush administration cia withhold vital information that could have prevented the september eleventh attacks i'll speak with a journalist who's been following the story very closely as reporting a shocking new development on the tragedy of nine eleven. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right here and. i think the bombings beautiful and funny well.
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