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come before us and made it excuses for continuing the war there's only one reason while the war is to win and that is to protect the reputations of politicians our soldiers of the as human shields for ministers reputations what they're trying to do is to keep a war going on to the best moment that will reflect on the reputation of politicians so we do the same position the end of first world war when it was said that this war is being prolonged by those that have the power to bend the canada that brought their troops home two years ago so the netherlands fringe new zealanders are coming out early absolutely no reason why you shouldn't bring our troops home now the only reasons that we're tied in with the politics of the united states we don't live in the pendant state we have to remind ourselves that we can
take our own decisions and what we're going to see in the future is deepening trouble will be more slaughter because of this whole of this fictitious fictitious aims of the war was seen to collapse emmett's happening now there is no possibility that we can train the afghan people and army and police the poor will fight their own people will kill brother afghans for for a corrupt election read election rigging dupré of president or to defend the interests of a foreign country it can't happen you say that ministers are keeping soldiers in afghanistan to protect their own reputation but how does the deaths of more soldiers protect anyone's reputation the official attitude is we must protect reputations against our previous mistakes and end the. war so that history will
judge the politicians made the right decisions in fact we've been making the wrong decisions for many years you maintain that what britain is doing is arming and training its future enemies and i suppose there's a historical precedent for that there is a very powerful precedent that the americans trained and armed the mujahideen and the mujahideen are the worst government that afghanistan is hanged in one hundred years the taliban were a great reforming improvement to move but we've done this in the past and we are going to do it again there is no way that a taliban army or police are going to risk their lives kill their brother afghans in the service of a foreign country when we've gone or in the service of a corrupt president they going back to their tribal loyalties the. and the passions will be divided as they always have been divided and the likelihood is that there
would be disorder when we leave we went a civil war was going on the country was bitterly divided when we after we leave after we've left a few years the situation will be very similar they'll bill be more civil war and it likely future rulers will be the taliban what lessons then should have been learnt from both britain's own colonial past and the saving union's experience in afghanistan in two thousand and one in strasberg a very a bubbly and member of the duma tapped me on the back and said you british i'm going into afghanistan and you captured it in a few days and saying that we russians did that and we were there for ten years we killed a million afghans we spent billions of rubles and we lost sixteen thousand of our own soldiers and when we came out we left a puppet government there but there were three hundred thousand. in the hills who
eventually took over and he initiated to me it will happen to you and he's absolutely precisely right we deluded ourselves we told ourselves fairy stories about what was going to happen we could change things and we couldn't there was a benign cause that the russians were taking up in afghanistan of taking people into bodden life giving them a chance to improve materially i mean nothing really happened in the end in we went in decided we're going to get rid of the drugs trade we were ending corruption we were going to give women a better deal and nothing has changed the corruption is exactly the same possibly as drugs trade is is ninety percent of the drugs in britain come from afghanistan tony blair told the house ninety percent twelve years later ninety percent of the drugs still come from afghanistan it is a different there is more of the cheaper of the street so more people corrupted in
two thousand and one the afghanistan was the second worst place in the world for a woman to live no it's the second worst place in the war for been to live but the object it was of the war was a hopeless were utopian and we've we've wasted lives in a huge sums of money and we end up in two or three years' time with the situation just as bad as the one. before we invaded and let's talk a bit about the logistics and message that pulling out now would send what about the soldiers who are serving in afghanistan at the moment those who have already served and the families of the soldiers who've died when pulling out now send a message that everything they've done has been essentially for nothing but it's certainly a tragedy those families must go through this trauma of realized that this was a war in which nothing has been achieved but sadly that they have to face that
eventually. what it would be immoral and cruel is to tell other people the same lies and the people more lives should be lost in order to comfort the bereaved or to comfort politicians who made the right decisions at the moment there's no conceivable reason why you shouldn't start telling the truth to people and say that there isn't this mythical threat. of terrorism in britain somehow ending by being the afghanistan if we say to the taliban why are you killing our soldiers when they say well we've killed all your soldiers we're coming over to newport and to cardiff and look into we're going to blow up your streets no interest in that the rule reason the taliban is a killing british soldiers is because we are the foreigners we're the in for bills
with the for the rainy and we're occupying by force of arms their country it's this sacred religious duty to kill us if we're not there they don't kill us i mean to for the simple argument to understand so what you're saying is that pulling out of afghanistan right now wouldn't affect the security situation in the rest of the world nor not not in the slightest there's security threats they come from pakistan they come from the yemen big come from somalia i mean they come from bradford we have a an attack by al qaeda that was from english people brought up in england is it not there better to have the us as friends rather than enemies what kind of message would leaving now send to america which at the moment is a supposedly a trusted friend and ally we have a claim that we are an independent country and we spend billions on an independent nuclear weapon we should be an independent as far as afghanistan is concerned we've
already seen countries that we greatly respect and my. are similar to themselves pulling out of the conflict quite rightly on rudely they've given huge contributions in blood and treasure we should take our own decision we know that at least eighty percent of the population are same for goodness sake bring our boys home by christmas or at message received no troops what about trains drones that are an enormous problem i believe in that they've altered the rules of war that for the first time ever there's an ability to kill with minute accuracy enemies in other countries borders don't exist there are hideous problems in the future. a few days ago and eight at least eight innocent afghan army women in civilians were killed as collateral damage a slight error by
a drone that's a problem in itself but the whole morality of warfare as the as drones are affected is an unwritten page nobody is wanted there are no rules for this but we're in we're in this position where we have the drones and none of the enemies have the drones and it's a totally unequal battle and i believe that the world has to think very seriously about the morality of using drones in warfare and the problem is is that the policies we've been following for so long in afghanistan and iraq is the belief that you can win hearts and minds with bombs and bullets you can't and the battle of the day decades will be willing hearts and minds of making sure that we're building some trust in the world community that's been destroyed by part of it by the belligerence and foolishness of our own military operations how do we then turn
that around is there a political solution we try to build trust in between ourselves. try to convince the muslim community of the world who who instantly believe any fiction about western society who want to persecute them we've seen the riots that have taken place because of a foolish piece of film the soda but the most of the muslims out there were prepared to believe that because they've seen we have double standards we see that we're not being fair in the israeli palestine situation and that we've got a mean and attack muslims in in iraq and afghanistan so of course they don't trust us imagine the riots that we're seeing because of this film about the prophet mohammad obviously there's a large muslim population here at home do you fear that a section of it will be radicalized by what we're seeing throughout north africa the middle east is i'm sure that the great danger the world faces is that the roads are irrational they're based on nothing really there but the myth is believed
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the headlines on r c opposition megaupload giorgione dream with the rules i had in early elementary results i made reports of election fraud and ballot stuffing in a bagel president saakashvili there really being a. serious foreign minister pointed the finger of blame at rebel friendly favor that the fans are backing terrorism his country than hey fight by criticism i think you are. also nato secretarial considers an early troop withdrawal from afghanistan following a spate of insider time and lugging around. that headline for you time now for the latest poll thought i had with poll.
thank you very much you're welcome to the sports headlines here's what we've got coming up bravehearts spartak moscow prepare for game with to win the champions league as they welcome scottish champions celtic. over and out england's defense of the t twenty cricket world cup comes to an end as they lose by nineteen runs to host. the fighting back alexander your million lenka continues his rise back up the mixed martial arts rankings with a dominant display in moscow. but starting with football and spartak moscow had injury concerns ahead of tuesday's a champions league clash with celtic at the newsmaking stadium the moscow club are still looking for their first points in this year's competition after a three two opening day defeat in barcelona which of important reports. also one of the strong favorites to win group g.
the race is firmly on for second spots of the spot side will be looking to gain all three points in their bid to make the knockout stages tuesday's match will be a proud moment for a particular he played two hundred fifty one games. sells him before moving to spartanburg and the good news for him is he's overcome a potential injury worry there's likely to start against his former club spotlight more unlucky last time out against barcelona where they last for you too however he says his team is going to a lot of confidence from that game after the defeat to barcelona last time out this game against celtic is of massive importance to us no one really gave us a chance at a new campaign but we've very well and that gave us a lot of confidence niki stadium is going to be a fortress for us and i'm fully expecting our fans to get try behind us and i'm sure this will give the team a massive boost spotlight warmed up for tuesday's encounter with a comfortable forty one win a dumb car however that victory came at a cost goalkeeper i'm ready to come was forced off in the first half juicer
shoulder injury and he will not be out for a month the muscovites of a ready last influential midfielder romelu to injury waived any marquee of kerio combat of a nicholas party rule doubts however spot as head coach won't be using base as an excuse but. we have prepared well for the star i even though we do have some injury worries however we call a tease that's an excuse if you don't manage to get all three points celtic are a good side and we need to be at our best if you want to get the win that we need this is a very important competition for us and we also need to be prepared both physically and mentally. the marcels are coming to the match having never lost on russian soil however they have a miserable record on the road in the champions league they've not won in the last twenty games away from home and manager neil lennon knows his side will face a tough test on tuesday for the very top spot in law school.
next and coach. forward. in very could construe. skilful. very vigilant in. but you know we are kind of human in good form or with form. in europe has been pretty good recently it is a real step the first assumes of class and competition for scottish champions do have a few injury worries about rome however frankly very not on the scale of spotlights problems that have been some concerns about the artificial pitch of illusion in the stadium but celtic have been quick to play down its importance aside from glasgow will start as the underdogs but they'll be trying desperately to get my first point in the champions league away from celtic park since two thousand and four spots that will be desperate on tuesday to pick up their first points in this season's champions league campaign while most of whites do have injury problems and they'll be facing a celtic side always tough to beat the scottish champions we boyd by picking up
a credible draw in their first game of the competition against benfica last time out for fleet r.t. moscow meanwhile the other teams in group g. barcelona and benfica go head to head in lisbon on tuesday the catalans are on top after that three two win over the muscovites. shared the points with celtic in their opening game as you heard richard say because by that past manager tito vilanova says his men will have their work cut out in portugal. so take a nice little bit of you i know this will not been easy match in the two previous visits here barcelona could not school in a girls and this means that it will be a tricky gauge for us i think that up front the very dangerous play very well aren't wide and as i said really they're going to make things really difficult. meanwhile in group h. manchester united will be looking to put the weekend's home defeat to tottenham behind them as they travel to remain here to take on c.f.l. kluge midfielders michael carrick ryan giggs paul scholes and antonio valencia are
all missing from the squad hoping to avoid a scare in transylvania in the other game portuguese side braga travel to turkey to take on gala tussle right. to see the performance of kush in the ask amy and brian. and the no two of us will beat him twice and we knew from only experience of basel last season. so i think that gives us. over the respect for can give to a cause. elsewhere in group a current leader shouts are down yet from ukraine visit you venters anatomy while defending champions chelsea take on danish side have they not just one. in a group party but a soft. joint leaders munich valencia and french side played in spain both sides lost a fixture. that's the t twenty cricket world cup where england's defense of the title is over following
a nineteen round defeat to host ryan cup now this went into the super a stage much knowing defeat would see them eliminated from the competition captain stuart broad winning the toss and elected to field but bowlers were unable to contain the hosts mahela jayawardene led the way with a thirty eight ball forty two and he was given able to pool by andre matthews and. he contributed fifty four between them off just thirty five balls one hundred sixty nine for six the school for america twenty overs in reply england fell to dig in deep at the crease and found at last it may linger in a lethal form he finished with career best bowling figures of five for thirty one is england fell nineteen run short. for joining in the last four with the west indies they qualified second from the group are two big winners new zealand in dramatic fashion both sides scored exactly one hundred thirty nine meaning a super over was needed to separate it seems the windy scored nineteen from their
six. one more than mickey. and finally to make martial arts where alexander yemeni and anchors rise up the rankings continues the russian known as the grim reaper claiming his fourth win in a row in moscow after one of the most brutal events in m one challenge history rob about the young has more. still one of the best pair of hands in the mixed martial arts heavyweight division on sunday night alexandre remediating proved that in style the main event of the one chilled. tournaments held in the russian capital so the thirty one year old days the dangerous striker constantin the lot this world and european key boxing champ then may be much less at depth in the ground game though you million incl was far from teasing it take down. like the fact that he showed so much heart and courage at every opportunity he was looking for a big punch and missed it always takes
a lot of energy from so i got him exhausted toe to toe and what is important i showed him i was even better a striking then took him to the ground which was also tough for. when it comes to this weight division every single punch can be to the side or. simply outclassed his opponent in striking reminding everybody of what he's known for fast and powerful hands and a surprisingly easy going at it was often on the edge in this fight you saw all those have to punch a swing over my head didn't i even got the sniffles you see if he was like i'm going to start off and tomorrow. powell would wish to take me through it was the least of his problems. will be giving him a chance to survive in the fight and make it to the final bell for the us this piece is clear before that they'll have a unanimous decision victory for a son who have built what gave him an extra edge into having fodor in my corner is
great it helps a lot in all respects you want to know why i was so much better than constantine tonight that's because there were two of us fighting against everybody my elder brother was with me. i'm sure alexander can do much better sometimes he was a bit too cautious just taking chances sometimes vice versa and he was too risky in the fight so his performance was not flawless he can do great things in the ring but his best lies ahead. it's already the fourth consecutive win for the sunday million and continues he's come back to the enemy summit on the fifteenth of the member he will face one of the world's best wrestling specialists jeff monson a true test of how for he has come. for the new york city moscow. and that is all from the world of sport for now but i'll be back with more in our just under two hours time joining that.
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