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are soldiers of the as human shields for ministers reputations what they're trying to do is to keep a war going on to the best moment that will reflect on the reputation of politicians so we do the same position the end of us will war when it was said that this war is being probed long by those that have the power to bend the canada that brought their troops home two years ago so the netherlands fringe new zealanders are coming out early absolutely no reason why you shouldn't bring our troops home now the only reasons that we tied in with the politics of the united states we don't in the penn state we have to remind ourselves of that we can take our own decisions and what we're going to see in the future is deepening trouble they'll be more slaughter because of this whole of this fictitious fictitious aims of the war was seen to collapse happening now there is no possibility that we
can train the afghan people and army and police the poor who will fight their own people will kill brother afghans for for a corrupt election read election rigging the previous president or to defend the interests of a foreign country it can't happen you say that ministers are keeping soldiers in afghanistan to protect their own reputation but how does the deaths of more soldiers protect anyone's reputation the official attitude is we must protect our reputations against our previous mistakes and end the war so that history will judge the politicians make the right decisions in fact we've been making the wrong decisions for many years you maintain that what britain is doing is arming and training its future enemies and i suppose there's a. circle precedent that there is
a very powerful precedent that the americans trained and armed the mujahideen and the mujahideen are the worst government the afghanis are as hand in one hundred years the taliban were a great reforming improvement to mujahideen but we've done this in the past and we are going to do it again there is no way that a taliban army or police are going to risk their lives kill their brother afghans in the service of a foreign country when we've gone or in the service of a corrupt president they going back to their tribal loyalties the backs. and the passions will be divided as they always have been divided and the likelihood is that there would be disorder when we leave we went a civil war was going on the country was bitterly divided after we leave after we've left a few years the situation will be very similar they'll bill be more civil war and
it the likely future rulers will be the taliban what lessons then should have been learnt from both britain's own colonial past and the soviet union's experience in afghanistan in two thousand and one in strasberg a very a bubbly and member of the duma tapped me on the back and said you british i'm going into afghanistan and you captured it in a few days and saying that we russians did that and we were there for ten years we killed a million afghans we spend billions of rubles and we lost sixteen thousand of our own soldiers and when we came out we left a puppet government there but there were three hundred thousand. in the hills who eventually took over and he really said to me it will happen to you and he's absolutely precisely right we deluded ourselves we told ourselves fairy slow. it's
about what was going to happen we could change things and we couldn't there was a banana cause that the russians were taking up in afghanistan of taking people into a modern life giving them a chance to improve materially i mean nothing really happened in the end in we went in decided we couldn't get rid of the drugs trade we were ending corruption we were going to give women a better deal and nothing has changed is corruption is exactly the same possibly as drugs trade is is ninety percent of the drugs in britain come from afghanistan tony blair told the house ninety percent twelve years later ninety percent of the drugs still come from afghanistan it is a different there is more of the cheaper of the streets and more people corrupted in two thousand and one the afghanistan was the second worst place in the world for a woman to live no it's the second worst place in the wall for we're going to live
with the objectivity of the war was a hopeless were utopian and we've we've wasted lives and huge sums of money and we end up in two or three years' time with a situation just as bad as the one. before we invaded and let's talk a bit about the logistics and message that pulling out now would send what about the soldiers who are serving in afghanistan at the moment those who have already served and the families of the soldiers who have died when pulling out now send a message that everything they've done has been essentially for nothing but it's certainly a tragedy that those families must go through this trauma of realized that this was a war in which nothing has been achieved but sadly that they have to face that eventually. what is would be immoral and cruel is to tell other people the same lies and the people more lives should be lost in order to comfort
the bereaved or to comfort politicians who made the right decisions at the moment there's no conceivable reason why you shouldn't start telling the truth to people and say that there isn't this mythical threat. of terrorism in britain somehow ending by being the afghanistan if we say to the taliban why are you killing our soldiers when they say well when we've killed all your soldiers we're coming over to newport and to cardiff and we're going to blow up your streets no interest in that that will reason the taliban is a killing british soldiers is because we have the foreigners with the in for little's with the foot of rain and we're occupying by force of arms their country it's this sacred religious duty to kill us if we're not there they don't kill us i mean to for the simple argument to understand so what you're saying is that pulling
out of afghanistan right now wouldn't affects the security situation in the rest of the world nor not not in the slightest there's security threats to come from pakistan they come from the yemen they come from somalia they come from bradford we have a an attack by al qaeda that was from english people brought up in england is it not there better to have the us as friends rather than enemies what kind of message would leaving now send to america which at the moment is a supposedly a trusted friend and ally we have a claim that we are an independent country and we spend billions on an independent nuclear weapon we should be an independent as far as afghanistan is concerned we've already seen countries that we greatly respect and my. are similar to themselves pulling out of the conflict quite rightly on rudely they've given huge contributions in blood and treasure we should take our own decision we know that at
least eighty percent of the population are same for goodness sake bring our boys home by christmas or at message received no troops what about drain drones that are an enormous problem i believe in that they've altered the rules of war that for the first time ever there's an ability to kill with minute accuracy enemies in other countries borders don't exist there hideous problems in the future . a few days ago and eight at least eight innocent afghan army were mean civilians were killed as collateral damage a slight error by a drone that's a problem in itself but the whole morality of warfare as the drones are affected is an unwritten page devoted there are no rules for this but when we're in this
position where we have the drones another the enemies have the drones and it's a totally unequal battle and i believe that the world has to think very seriously about the morality of using drones in warfare and the problem is is that the policies we've been following for so long in afghanistan and iraq is the belief that you can win hearts and minds with bombs and bullets you can't and the battle of the day decades will be willing hearts and minds of making sure that we're building some trust in the world community that's been destroyed by part of it by the belligerence and foolishness of our own military operations how do we then turn that around is there a political solution we try to build trust in between ourselves. try to convince the muslim community of the world who instantly believe any fiction about western
society who want to persecute them we've seen that the riots that have taken place because of a foolish piece of film the soldier but most of the muslims out there were prepared to believe that because they've seen that we have double standards we see them that we're not being fair in the israeli palestinian situation and that we've got to be in an attack muslims in in iraq and afghanistan of course they don't trust us you mention the riots that we're seeing because of this film about the prophet mohammad obviously there's a large muslim population here at home do you fear that a section of it will be radicalized by what we're seeing throughout north africa the middle east is i'm sure that the great danger the world faces is that the riots are irrational they're based on nothing really there but the myth is believe because opinion among muslim communities has been crying need to believe that the west is against them and i'm afraid we dangerous situation the tinderbox could go
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thank you kyra welcome along to the sports headlines here's what we've got for you bravehearts moscow prepare for game with to win the champions league as they welcome scottish champions celtic. over and out england's defense of the t twenty cricket world cup comes to an end as they lose by nineteen runs to her sure lanka. fighting but alexander young millionaire continues his rise back up the mixed martial arts rankings with a dominant display in moscow. but starting with football and spots at moscow have injury concerns ahead of tuesday's champions league clash with celtic are the new sneaky stadium the moscow club are still looking for their first points in this year's competition after a three two opening day defeat in barcelona which of important reports. with
possible owner of a strong favorites to win group g. the race is firmly on for second spots of the spotlight they'll be looking to gain all three points in their bid to make the knockout stages of tuesday's match will be a proud moment for aiden mcgeady in particular he played two hundred fifty one games for celtic before moving to spartanburg and the good news for him is he's overcome a potential injury worry is likely to start against his former club sponsored were unlucky last time out against barcelona where they lost forty two however when amory says his team's gained a lot of confidence from that game after the defeat to barcelona last time out this game against celtic is of massive importance to us no one really gave us a chance at the nou camp but we've very well and that gave us a lot of confidence because nicky stadium is going to be a fortress for us and i'm fully expecting our fans to get try behind us and i'm sure this will give the team a massive boost spartak warmed up for tuesday's encounter with a comfortable forty one win a dumb car however that victory came at
a cost goalkeeper i'm ready to come was forced off in the first half truths or shoulder injury and he will now be out for a month or muscovites are ready last influential midfielder romelu to injury. here kitty of combat of a nicolas but it all doubts all of us apart as head coach won't be using this as an excuse. we have prepared well for the star i even though we do have some injury worries however we call it doesn't excuse if you don't manage to get all three points celtic are a good side and we need to be at our best if you want to get the win that we need this is a very important competition for us and we also need to be prepared both physically and mentally. meanwhile celtic come into the match having never lost on russian soil however they have a miserable record on the road in the champions league they've not won in the last twenty games away from home and manager neil lennon knows his side will face a tough test on tuesday for the very little. sport of law school. excellence.
an excellent coach. very constrained. skillful. is a very rigid in. but you know we're kind of the human in good form or with form. in europe has been pretty good recently it is a real step of for us and seems of class and competition for scottish champions do have a few injury worries about rome however frankly very much on the scale of spot tax problem there have been some concerns about the artificial pitch of pollution in the stadium but celtic have been quick to play down its importance beside from glasgow will start as the underdogs but they'll be trying desperately to get my first point in the champions league away from celtic park since two thousand and four spot i will be desperate on tuesday to pick up their first points of missy's and champions league campaign where most of i do have injury problems we're facing
a celtic side are always tough to beat of the scottish champions we boyd by picking up a credible draw in their first game of the competition against benfica last time out rich man poor fleet r.t. moscow. while the other teams in the group g. barcelona and benfica go head to head in lisbon on tuesday night the catalans are on top after that three two win over the muscovites but benfica shared the points with celtic in their opening game as you heard richard say despite their boss a manager tito vilanova says his men will have their work cut out in portugal. and i was little bit of the i know this will not be an easy match in the two previous visits here barcelona could not school in a girls and this means that there will be a tricky gate for us i think that up front very dangerous they play very well arts wide and as i said they're going to make things really difficult. meanwhile the group h. manchester united will be looking to put the weekend's home defeat to tottenham behind them as they two. ramel to romania to take on c.f.r.
pollution midfielders michael carrick ryan giggs paul skulls and antonio valencia all missing from the squad hoping to avoid a scare in transylvania in the other game portuguese side braga travel to turkey to take on gala taso i. do see the performance of kush no ask amy and brian. on the no two of us will beat him twice and we know from only screens the buzz so last season. so i think that gives us. every respect for can get to because. elsewhere in group a current leader shut down yes from the ukraine visit the event just the second day today while defending champion chelsea take on the danish side f.c. not just laugh. and a great bath party but a selfish bellerive sized joint leaders by munich palencia a french side lille meet in spain both sides of last evening fixture. now out of
the t twenty cricket world cup what angle is defense of the title is over following one thousand one defeat to jai sri lanka the holders went into the super a stage much no defeat would see them eliminated from the competition captain stuart broad winning the toss and i lexing to field things but i'm able to take the heights ohio would lead the way with a thirty eight hundred forty two and he was given a will support by a. seattle. to just thirty five goals one hundred sixty nine for six schools from at least reply and failed to dig deep at the crease from lasith malinga in lethal form he finished the career i was thirty one as england for nineteen runs sure. well joining sri lanka in the last four will be the west indies they qualified second from the great after beating winless new zealand in dramatic fashion both sides
scored exactly one hundred thirty nine meaning a sleep over was needed to separate things when these poor nineteen from six players one more key words. now finally some mixed martial arts well xander yemeni an anchor's rise up the rankings continues the russian man is the grim reaper claiming his fourth win in a row in moscow after one of the most brutal events in m one challenge history bubba daniel has more. on the marriage still one of the best pair of hands in the mixed martial arts had to wait division on sunday night that x. on the remaining cup proved that in style the main event of the and one challenge tournaments held in the russian capital so the thirty one year old face the dangerous striker constantin. blood test world and european kid boxing champ them may be much less at depth in the ground game though you million incl was far from teasing it take down. like the fact that he showed so much heart and courage at
every opportunity he was looking for a big punch and missed it always takes a lot of energy from you so i got him exhausted toe to toe and what is important i showed him i was even better a striking then took him to the ground which was also tough for me. when it comes to this weight division every single punch can be to the side or. simply outclassed his opponent in striking reminding everybody of what he's known for fast and powerful hands and a surprisingly easy going at it was often on the edge in this fight you saw all those hefty punches swing over my head didn't you i even got the sniffles you see it feels like i'm going to start off in tomorrow. how i would wish that it take you through it was the least of his problems. will be giving him a chance to survive in the fight and make it to the final bell for the outcome was
crystal clear before that there was a unanimous decision victory for it's on those who have built what gave him an extra edge in the about having floater in my corner is great it helps a lot in all respects you want to know why i was so much better than constantine tonight that's because there were two of us fighting against him my elder brother was with me. i'm sure alexander can do much better. sometimes he was a bit too cautious just taking chances sometimes vice versa he was too risky in the fight so his performance was not flawless he can do great things in the ring what is best lies ahead it's already the fourth consecutive win for xander a million who continues he's come back to the enemy summit on the fifteenth of the member he will face one of the world's best wrestling specialists jeff monson true test of how for he has come. or to mosco that
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