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do is to keep a war going on to the best moment that will reflect on the reputation of politicians so we do the same position the end of first world war when it was said that this war is being prolonged by those that have the power to end the canada that brought their troops home two years ago so the netherlands fringe new zealanders are coming out early absolutely no reason why you shouldn't bring our troops home now the only reasons that we're tied in with the politics of the united states we don't independent state we have to remind ourselves that we can take our own decisions and what we're going to see in the future is deepening trouble they'll be more slaughter because of this whole of this fictitious fictitious aims of the war was seen to collapse happening now there is no possibility that we can train the afghan people and army and police the poor
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to fight their own people who will kill brother afghans for for a corrupt election read election rigging dupré the president or to defend the interests of a foreign country it can't happen you say that ministers are keeping soldiers in afghanistan to protect their own reputation but how does the deaths of more soldiers protect anyone's reputation the official attitude is we must protect our reputations against our previous mistakes and end the war so that history will judge the politicians made the right decisions in fact we've been making the wrong decisions for many years you maintain that what britain is doing is arming and training its future enemies and i suppose there's a historical precedent for that there is a very powerful precedent that the americans trained and armed the mood. diem and
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the mujahideen are the worst government the afghanis are as hand in one hundred years the taliban were a great reforming improvement to the mujahideen but we've done this in the past and we are going to do it again there is no way that a taliban army or police are going to risk their lives kill their brother afghans in the service of a foreign country when we've gone or in the service of a corrupt president they going back to their tribal loyalties the. passions will be divided as they always have been divided and the likelihood is that there will be disorder when we leave we went a civil war was going on the country was bitterly divided when we after we leave after we've left a few years the situation will be very similar they'll bill be more civil war and it the likely future rulers will be the taliban what lessons then should have been
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learnt from both britain's own colonial past and the soviet union experience in afghanistan in two thousand and one in strasberg a very a bully and member of the duma tapped me on the back and said you british i'm going into afghanistan and you captured it in a few days and saying that we russians did that and we were there for ten years we killed a million afghans we spent billions of rubles and we lost sixteen thousand of our own soldiers and when we came out we left a puppet government there but there were three hundred thousand. in the hills who eventually took over and he really said to me it will happen to you and he's absolutely precisely right we deluded ourselves we told ourselves fairy stories about what was going to happen we could change things and we couldn't there was a benign cause that the russian. as we're taken up in afghanistan of taking people
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into boston live giving them a chance to improve materially i mean nothing really happened in the end in we went in decided we're going to get rid of the drugs trade we were ending corruption we were going to give women a better deal and nothing has changed as corruption is exactly the same possibly as drugs trade is is ninety percent of the drugs in britain come from afghanistan tony blair told the house ninety percent twelve years later ninety percent of the drugs still come from afghanistan it is a different there is more of the cheaper of the streets and more people corrupted in two thousand and one the afghanistan was the second worst place in the world for a woman to live no it's the second worst place in the wall of we're going to live but the object of the war was a hopeless were utopian and we've we've wasted lives in the huge sums of
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money and we end up in two or three years' time with the situation just as bad as the one. before we invaded and let's talk a bit about the logistics and message that pulling out now would send what about the soldiers who are serving in afghanistan at the moment those who have already served and the families of the soldiers who've died when pulling out now send a message that everything they've done has been essentially for nothing but it's certainly a tragedy that those families must go through this trauma of realized that this was a war in which nothing has been achieved but sadly that they have to face that eventually what is would be immoral and cruel is to tell other people the same lies and that people more lives should be lost in order to comfort the bereaved or to. i'm for politicians who made the right decisions at the moment
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there's no conceivable reason why you shouldn't start telling the truth to people and say that there isn't this mythical threat. of terrorism in britain somehow ending by being the afghanistan if we say to the taliban why are you killing our soldiers when they say well when we've killed all your soldiers we're coming over to newport and to cardiff and we're going to blow up your streets no interest in that the rule reason the taliban is a killing british soldiers is because we have the foreigners with the infidels with the photo rainy and we're occupying by force of arms their country it's this sacred religious duty to kill us if we're not there they don't kill us i mean to for the simple argument to understand so what you're saying is that pulling out of afghanistan right now wouldn't affect the security situation in the rest of the world nor not not in the slightest there's security threats they come from pakistan
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they come from the yemen big come from somalia i mean they come from bradford we have a an attack by al qaeda that was from english people brought up in england is it not there better to have the us as friends rather than enemies what kind of message would leaving now send to america which at the moment is that supposedly a trusted friend and ally we have a claim that we are an independent country and we spend billions on an independent nuclear weapon we should be an independent as far as afghanistan is concerned we've already seen countries that we greatly respect and admire similar themselves pulling out of the conflict quite rightly on rudely they've given huge contributions in blood and treasure we should take our own decision we know that at least eighty percent of the population are same for goodness. bring our boys home
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by christmas or at message received no troops what about train drones that are an enormous problem i believe in that they've altered the rules of war that for the first time ever there's an ability to kill with minute accuracy enemies in other countries borders don't exist there is hideous problems in the future. a few days ago and eight at least eight innocent afghan army were mean civilians were killed as collateral damage a slight error by a drone that's a problem in itself but the whole morality of warfare as the drones are affected is an unwritten page nobody is rooted there are no rules for this but when we're in this position where we have the drones another the enemies have the drones and it's a totally unequal battle and i believe that the world has to think very seriously
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about the morality of using drones in warfare and the problem is is that the policies we've been following for so long in afghanistan and iraq is the belief that you can win hearts and minds with bombs and bullets you can't and the battle of the day decades will be willing hearts and minds of making sure that we're building some trust in the world community to be destroyed by part of it by the belligerence and foolishness of our own military operations how do we then turn that around is there a political solution we try to build trust in between ourselves we try to convince the muslim community of the world who who instantly believe any fiction about western society who want to persecute them we've seen that the riots that have taken place because of their foolish to. some film the soda but the most of the
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muslims out there were prepared to believe that because they've seen that we have double standards we see them that would not be in the israeli palestinian situation and that we've got to be in and attack muslims. in iraq and afghanistan so of course they don't trust us you mention the riots that we're seeing because of this film about the prophet mohammad obviously there's a large muslim population here at home do you fear that a section of it will be radicalized by what we're seeing throughout north africa in the middle east is i'm sure that the great danger the world faces is that the riots are irrational they're based on nothing really there but the myth is believed to be called as a pretty among muslim communities has been primed to believe that the west is against them and i'm afraid we dangerous situation the tinderbox could go up at any time and it's mainly. knighted by the foolishness of our
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military adventures in the last twenty years pull fled thank you my pleasure.
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georgia's president saakashvili had needs defeat for his party and parliamentary elections despite reports of massive dilatory and ballot stuffing in its favor. un members once again failed to find common ground on syria when the final day of the general assembly marched by damascus blaming rebel friendly countries for backing tower and sidelining peace. and rest on noticed continues its crackdown on anti-government protesters with medics jailed for taking part in their uprising which is largely ignored by the. next as sport with.
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turn in fines for joining us this isn't being sports today plenty ahead over the next ten minutes or so including. home hope spartak moscow prepared to take on celtic as they seek their first points of this season's champions league campaign. over a night into the friends of the twenty twenty cricket world cup comes to an end as they lose by nineteen runs the whole shrilling. take your pick we recap the strikes but mother during the latest russian premier league season. on that one was quite a goal wasn't it's far from an injury free spartak moscow will take the field shortly for their second champions league clash of the season the red and white at home to celtic with a number of first teamers injured for the visit of the scottish champions. with barcelona of a strong favorites to win group g. the race is firmly on for second spots and for spartak they'll be looking to gain
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all three points in their bid to make the knockout stages of tuesday's match will be a private moment for aiden mcgeady in particular he played two hundred fifty one games for celtic before moving to spartanburg and the good news for him is he's overcome a potential injury worry is likely to start against his former club spartak were unlucky last time out against barcelona where they lost three two however when amory says his team's going to lot of confidence from that game after the defeat to barcelona last time out this game against celtic is of massive importance to us no one really gave us a chance at the nou camp but we've very well and that gave us a lot of confidence niki stadium is going to be a fortress for us and i'm fully expecting our fans to get tried behind us and i'm sure this will give the team a massive boost spotlight warmed up for tuesday's encounter with a comfortable forty one when madame car however that victory came at a cost goalkeeper i'm ready to come was forced off in the first half truths or shoulder injury and he will now be out for a month or muscovites of
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a ready last influential midfielder romelu to injury wave gaining marquee if he or come by out of a nicholas but after all doubts however spartak head coach won't be using this as an excuse. we have prepared well for the star i even though we do have some injury worries however we call it doesn't excuse if you don't manage to get all three points celtic are a good side and we need to be at our best if you want to get the win that we need this is a very important competition for us and we also need to be prepared both physically and mentally. we want celtic come into the match having never lost on russian soil however they have a miserable record on the road in the champions league they've not won in the last twenty games away from home and manager neil lennon knows his side will face a tough test on tuesday for the very top spot in law school. coach. forward. very constrained.
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skillful. is a very rigid and innovative. but you know we can live human in good form. in europe has been pretty good recently it is a real step of for us and seems of class and competition for scottish champions do have a few injury worries about rome however frankly very much on the scale of sparks problem there have been some concerns about the artificial pitch of illusion in the stadium but celtic have been quick to play down its importance this side from glasgow will start as the underdogs but i'll be trying desperately to get my first point in the champions league away from celtic park since two thousand and four spots i will be desperate on tuesday to pick up their first points and missy's and champions league campaign where most of us do have injury problems and are we facing a celtic side are always tough to beat the scottish champions we boyd by picking up
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a credible draw in their first game of the competition against benfica last time out respond forcefully totty moscow. now the other teams in group g. barcelona and benfica go head to head in lisbon later the catalan said top after the three two win over the muscovites while as richard also mentioned benfica assured the points with celtic in the opening game despite some other tito villanova says his men will have their work cut out in portugal. second article but i know this will not been an easy match in the to prove this visit here barcelona could not school and girls and this means that there will be a tricky gate for us i think that up front the very dangerous they play very well on its wide and as i said they are going to make things really difficult. elsewhere in the competition in group h. manchester united will be seeking to pub the last weekend's home defeat to top them behind them when they take on clues midfielders michael carr ryan giggs paul scholes and until new valencia are all out though for the transylvania clash for
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portuguese side braga are in turkey for a gala tough to write test. over in group b. current leader shakhtar donetsk from the ukraine because if you bent this while finding champions chelsea take on danish side f.c. georgia. unprepared for the table we saw from belarus so strong to leaders fire munich while valencia french side legal and in spain both sides next. to the twenty twenty cricket world cup we go where england's defense of the title is over following in one thousand run defeat to host sri lanka the holders went into the super eight stage much knowing defeat would see them eliminated from the competition cup ensure broad winning the toss and electing to field but in this polish were unable to tame the hell are you leading the way with a thirty eight ball forty two and he was given the able to port by angelo. sora for a tribute fifty four we wean them off the thirty five balls hundred sixty nine for
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six the score from their twenty first in reply england crumbled the crease finding less in mullingar in little form he finished with career best viewing figures of five from thirty one saying it. is. i'm. and finally let's head back to football revisit all of the strikes that find the back of the net in the tenth round of the russian premier league goals glory brings you all too doesn't take your pick why don't you. live. live live.
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