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they go the wrong way and you get a sense that public opinion is an obstacle to overcome rather than a reason to change direction it is an extraordinary and sad paradox that twenty seven countries each of them a liberal parliamentary democracy in its own right have come together and accepted a system that would make zimbabwe look democratic and how did that happen exactly was its kind of creeping takeover by technocrats i think the origins actually go back to the very beginning of the european union. the founding fathers had had a very mixed experience of democracy is specially of the referendum plebiscite re kind of numb ocracy that existed in the one nine hundred thirty s. they sort of mock or see as opposed to i would go so far say they were anti democratic but they saw it is a potentially dangerous force that could lead to demagoguery to fascism and to war and so they were quite open about deliberately investing supremum power in the hands of why technocratic experts who wouldn't have to worry about public opinion
would be able to take the tough decisions and of course you know there is no such person as the wise disinterested expert they all have their prejudices they all have their assumptions and freed from the constraints of public opinion they were able to get on with creating an almost autocratic system which has stayed in large measure in place to this day which is why you know when people vote against it that is seen as the beginning of the argument rather than as as it would be in a proper democracy the end of the argument you've recently released a book under the title a dim marriage which is about the relationship between the e.u. and the u.k. why did you decide to use the subtitle is britain and europe is not a is not a marriage. piece although well it's an interesting one i read the review of work by a marriage guidance counsellor i didn't read the book but i read the review said something fascination. it said that a relationship can take a lot of arguing that rowers are not
a bad thing because if you are arguing with your husband or wife it suggests that you care enough about his or her view that you want to change it it's when the rowels give way to contempt when the stormy sessions fall silent and give way to scorn the relationship is over and i think something similar has happened even in the time that i've been an m.e.p. when i was first elected constituents would write to me very angrily and say outrageous that the budget is on approved outrages that all the money is being spent on these agricultural and foreign aid boondoggles outrages that the system is so undemocratic and now. what you get much more often is a kind of you know what you expect the whole system is rushing and that's when you realize that the marriage is over and i think it's just a question of time and how we how we negotiate the most amicable divorce you have even gone as far as to call the relationship between your a craps and ordinary those is abusive yes in the sense that the ordinary voter if you like or the voter i mean we're not going to the ordinary voter is seen as an
inconvenience is seen as a problem you know when i think back to the way in which the french and dutch referendums were greeted six years ago every single speaker with two exceptions and in the entire european parliament stood up to say how do we get around this problem you know why did they get it wrong how do we how do we really educate voters you know i was reminded of those that eerie poem by bertold brecht where he says wouldn't it therefore be easier to dissolve the people and elect another in their place and that it didn't occur to anybody that the people have spoken and that therefore the politicians should listen talk to me about your assertion that it was brussels backed coups that toppled george papandreou in greece and still there there is going e in italy what proof do you have of that well in two countries a elected prime minister was removed from office and replaced with a technocrat who had never stood for office in his life not just a technocrat for your account in greece it was the former head of the euro the
former vice president of european central bank in italy it was a former european commissioner mario monti who as well as appointing yourself as prime minister appoint himself finance minister giving a whole new meaning to the phrase the full monty and didn't have a single elected doesn't have a single elected politician in the italian government right now both in the case of the property most administration in greece and the monti administration in italy we were told that these were national governments that was the phrase used. and yet the whole purpose of these governments was to push through a program that would be rejected by the nation in a general election so if you like the the the last shreds of pretense were said to the velvet glove was taken off in the iron fist underneath which i'm sure you then have what was always implicit but is now explicit which is apparatchiks in brussels ruling directly through apparatchiks in rome and in athens with the people and their elected representatives cut out altogether i saw last week that mario
monti said he might seek a second term i don't remember him saying in the first from your description it sounds terrifying easy for brussels today that what steps see your across have to take these were civilian jumpers ok it is true that the letter of constitutional propriety was observed in the sense that the parliament in both cases indorse the new government that's the case with every dictatorship starting from the podium they always manage to get the parliamentary vote in their favor the reality is that we're dealing with administrations that have been imposed on countries because keeping those countries in new york was thought to be more important than allowing them to vote for the policies they want we do appear to be drawing nearer to a referendum on whether the u.k. should stay in the european union what would it take do you think for the government to take that final step well politicians in my experience feel the heat before they see the light i don't think any political party likes referendums to be honest because politicians are instinctively mistrustful of
a process whose outcome they can't control nonetheless they all see that there is big public demand people want to be consulted they feel that it's a huge issue you know what country you want to belong to and that it's insulting and wrong not to allow people the referendum which all three parties were recently promising and all three have managed to draw back from i'll go so far as to say that the party which gets there first will probably win the next election the people who feel strongly about this may be a minority but they are not an insignificant minority and it's a vote determining issue for a chunk of the electorate. and so. it's almost as opposed like a kind of game theory like a prisoner's dilemma neither party desperately wants a referendum but neither can afford to let the other get there first what kind of referendum dean support is simple in or out or a more complex construct i think ultimately they will have to be an in out referendum i think it's the only one that makes sense you can't offer people something that you haven't yet negotiated or something that isn't in your gift to deliver i mean if you had
a referendum and said wouldn't it be great if we opted out of all the following areas but remained in the free market will you know idea whether the e.u. is going to give you that and so you that that's a meaningless question unless the renegotiation is already being completed by then and that's how i think it it should happen let me be is generous as i can do people want to stay in and is fair about this is like and. if the problem is timing and what is going to emerge from the eurozone crisis because that's what we're told no one now admits to being against a referendum in principle what they will then i was saying is now isn't the right time we've got to see what emerges fine if that's the case then pre-announce now and pretty legislate now for a referendum to take place in let's say twenty sixteen ok that's plenty of time you've then got four years you supporters of membership to come back with a deal that you reckon you can sell to the british people. and the fact that you preannounced that referendum means that all of the other member states also understand that if you don't get the deal that you can sell to the country the
alternative is that we leave and we negotiate something differently from the outside i think if you did that then it is even possible that you could succeed in getting something along the lines of the swiss deal without calling it leaving i mean if it then becomes a presentational question whether you call it associate membership or whatever but what is absolutely certain is that if our own civil servants and if the other member states do not understand that it's either a renegotiation or exit there will be no significant improvement in our terms of membership what about what's all three parties saying and they which is you know we've got this crisis going on our main priority should be to reduce the deficit we don't have the time with inclination now to talk about having me referendum is wonderful isn't it we were told for twenty years that now was not the right time for a referendum because europe wasn't an issue and now we're told now it's a wrong time because europe is an issue you know the eurozone crisis and all this i mean it's the ultimate yes minister argument you know a perfectly good idea in principle minnesota perhaps now is not the most propitious
occasion if not now when you know the eurozone crisis has wrecked the premise on which we joined it's falsified our membership terms europe is collapsing as a share of our exports the rest of the world is increasing almost by the minute as a share of our trade. the reason that we went in in the first place in the early seventy's in the argument has been deployed for nearly forty years has now been made redundant by the collapse of the eurozone economy and the mulish insistence of the euro zone governments on accelerating all the policies that have created the crisis that now is the time for us to raise our eyes to more distant horizons and reimburse the wider world daniel had on thank you very much thank you. even in the autumn of the years. it's never too late to start
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a three two win over metal ignores because nets while scarse unpaid is burger up to third after coming from two down to win six five in a thriller bottom side to maybe least the home side with a fast broxterman to see the lead after eight minutes of just needed less than five minutes to spoil the for this coming. this second but soon provided for the tour he can offer to pull back. before scoring himself late in the opening period that are saying to them puts him front and early in the second couple shoot fed he cannot be netted his second to make it to the games far from a with a quick goal sought after with the least tie the match for all midway through the second period like the simak of scoring both both sides then netted again to make it five five thirteen minutes to go swedish forward pony mortensen got scars when
it was raining goals glory. and i have four points from the top spot in the west with two games in hand. now mark webber will start sunday's korean grand prix in pole position with teammate and formula one champion sebastian vettel alongside him on the front row webber enjoying a flying finish and qualifying vettel mclaren's lewis hamilton will start in with the nando along so you are just behind him the spaniard tops the overall standings at the moment by four points from battle with five races left while webber is six points back. most qualified to be very tight here very very happy to. get the job done today at the pole position in it was a reasonable lap where you did when it counted obviously so well that's what qualify is all about it's been a tricky last few wins for me but. really happy to start on paul elsewhere moto g.p.
leader your gaylor enzo has pole for the japanese ground rider pipping honda rival danny pearl in qualifying at the treasure trails renzo by just thirty three points in the standings with one hundred still up for grabs. meanwhile andy murray is preparing to defend his shanghai masters crown against novak djokovic what will be a repeat of the u.s. open final murray beat roger federer six four six four in the semi to continue his record at least championships the scot getting the better of the world number one just like he did to bring in. mary remain unbeaten over three tournament in shanghai. however djokovic says he's ready to end murray's winning streak he trying to beijing last week and that muscle tone is of the chip the public interest rate sets to reach today spinal. you know so far so good and i haven't played many. long matches so i haven't dropped the said. in this tournament so far and
that's something that obviously helps me physically before before it's more charlatan. that switch to go for john milling is feeling the pressure of base at the frys dot com open in california the american remains on course for his maiden p.g.a. tour title but soars four shot lead to two on the penultimate day melinda carded eight shots worse than his course record equalling sixty two just the day before although this effort on the thirteenth was pretty impressive but breathing down his neck is sweden has blix has shot a sixty six to move within two shots off the lead and just a further stroke back a child and jason i want to play for was just one round remaining. in contrast are these the burger showed a steady hand to move in front of the portugal masters he hit a second successive sixty five to move a shot ahead of overnight leader ross fisher the englishman englishman hit a sixty nine and is still without
a win since his ryder cup debut two years ago. now there are just under sixteen months to go before the sortie twenty fourteen winter olympics get underway but it's already a safe bet this will be a games to remember according to zhang called killie the chairman of the international olympic committee's co-ordination commission and he was on an eighth official visit to the city where he spoke to our own rabbit down yet. a great challenge for a big country in twenty fourteen this russian city of sochi will host the first winter olympics in the country's history. it is to be a well known seaside town but now with massive olympic preparations the future of the city itself is under construction benefits of having had the games will be there for ever in my opinion so it's a it's a bitter child for this region today everyone in the world knows where searching is
on the map i believe it's almost unique in the world because you have trees where the hockey tournament is going to be played and then twenty five minutes later by train a. fabulous ski resort this is very specific it's the sounds of russia it's very comparable to a place like this in france where you swim in the morning you wear your skin the morning and swim in the afternoon after. arriving. in the world with nobody. holding the winter olympics in so the climate is what makes the sochi games so special and so challenging three time olympic alpine ski jumping around and currently the chairman of the olympic ordination commission is one called killie is sure winter will be there as soon as it's needed even despite the fact this could be the hardest winter olympics ever the snow is going to be made whenever it's possible. but today you can stall the snow
protection during the summer but then use it for example you ski jump you can use it whenever you you want or need it. obviously that's the missions. they source the games are also said to create some brand new experiences in olympic history something to make them through a year. nick the most compact games ever most athletes skills we could own out of the chalet put their skis on and they are hockey player will walk to the ring as. those. which is incredible. i don't think we have we have ever had that before while the sochi twenty fourteen official slogan was also revealed only twenty fifth of september hot to us i think it is terrific absolutely terrific because it's. it's
a winter summer. yours it's north south it's. snow ice and yours and it's. i think it's one way to say the rest of the world is going to be welcome. to for a change in yours that's a gift form of worship to the rest of the world and the best present would be for russia to turn their first winter olympics into the best games ever robert brilliant party. and will finish the kickboxing because moscow has hosted the seven thirty five fighter tournament where despite one victory being claimed by men's world champion it was two female fighters who stole the show was nick like shells reports. keep boxing fans were in for a treat as they got to witness the seventh edition of the international w five
fighter series with the first of the three main events beginning dramatically as abortion. demonstrated how to put on a show with fellow entrants so she won them more loci for it by beating slower working. on point decision despite not fighting at her best. i wasn't really focused on the fight so i didn't really push my limits i think it performed about fifty to eighty percent of what i can do i'm not very happy about it because you told me what to do but for whatever reason i didn't i just paranoia act because i didn't start the fight the way i was planning to so i just lost focus but stealing the limelight was world and european my time champion you could say to you know one. as she also proved dominance in this john against slovakia nuclear you a bunch of the better russian was in control from the start but despite heavy pressure
her opponent managed to hold on until the end of one birdie for one all three rounds on the score card to add another victory to her name which i'm just ok it's really hard because i'm strictly might a fighter that's why i have claimed all my wall in european winning records but in this fight i can use my elbows or a kick that i'm used to it i use the last three weeks you can please me guys my tactics overall i work. only the beginning and there is still a lot of work to do. and in the last fight of the night former world champion register of course so blitzed dutchman tom who was. saved by the bell in the first round but the ukrainian finished the job early in the second inflicting a first defeat in russia on his opponent while clinching of confidence six when out of two from his visits to the country. in the first round i felt he was scared so i started to pick on him and also he didn't keep his arms up high enough i noticed that he does this when i watch videos of his fights so i focused on this and it
seems to have worked out so another victory for the twenty year old fighter the many were left waiting in anticipation for their next bout on what could probably have been called ladies' night nucular chose. ladies' night so that's all a sport that i went. up last time. and download the official publication to choose your language stream quality and enjoy your favorites. t.v. is not required to watch on t.v. all you need is your mobile device to watch on t.v. any time of the.
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