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on the run n.s.a. whistleblower edward snowden off the radar with no sign of him aboard a flight bound for a q.b. he was reportedly booked in on after spending a night in a moscow airport. here's our footage from our correspondent of the airplane seat snowden was meant to be sitting in a few hours the flight will enter u.s. airspace for america might have a chance to intercept the aero float jet. julian assange telling the world snowden is safe and healthy but the exact whereabouts of one secret he's not going to reveal wiki leaks did say that ecuador has given him refugee status. watch in a peer's desperate to corner a former intelligence agents criticizing the countries he passes through and demanding his immediate deportation.
seven pm in moscow i matras are good to have you with us here on r t is we're following our late breaking end daylong developing story here on r t the search for edward snowden where is he where is he headed to next said to be in moscow but we've had reporters and reporters from around the world to camped out for him on the airplane and more but no sign of the whistleblower let's take a look at a map of where he was supposed to be and supposed to be headed says pows italy edward snowden was here in moscow and then he was supposed to board this error a float flight bound for a flight pattern going across the north atlantic down the east coast of the united states where potentially it could be intercepted or requested to land by u.s. officials so he could face justice there east coast of the united. it's around new
york and also in the miami area a hot spot for the potential of that to happen of course we spoke with a professional pilot who said that it's possible that the pilot of the aircraft could divert his judgment at any point but more on that later for now on the search for edward snowden and the continuing developing story under liabilities to bring might say a life outside share metro airport with the latest from there. right mad for. definitely continues he's certainly pulled who dini on all of us are maybe a little bit of good news might make him come out of hiding reuters has just reported that aghadoe has indeed wanted him that. now of course we still have to confirm whether it is indeed a cheat but reuters they saying that ecuador has certainly gone ahead and accepted that asylum now this is the truth is whether we all started we were here this morning this all waiting for him to board that plane bound for cuba which he
checked into yesterday on sunday when he arrived but oh no reports that inside of that airline you got he paints a different picture. there's so much media on the screen but for the last three minutes i'm sure that the plane expecting which told him to show up there will be increased security. for the police when we move the passengers sort of away from the teacher to leave it up to continue west point even important issues themselves understand. that we're not sure whether or not it was entering the plane or not. right to say the whereabouts of edward snowden inside of their plane away no way to be found in fact my colleague you got to be sort of also tweeted and said that the seeds that he was meant to be sitting on. and to the seat
of the representative who's traveling with him we're all empty that was a scene that all the journalists up on that played a way to see by the way you know the plot thickens what did it all begin really let's take you back to sunday wake up. call announces that a statement saying that indeed a snowden has decided that he's going to leave hong kong on his own accord to us third abounding country forces to us tell us that he was bonded to moscow on a plane and to follow it up we come to airport to find that he didn't he may have checked into another flight bondo for cuba another lot of speculation as to where his final destination would be a four o'clock moscow time the ambassador of ecuador arrives at the airport sparking speculation that could in fact to be ecuador that rules house of this new world famous was to play or rather the ecuadorian ambassador walks into the airport and whether he did indeed speak to snowden oh see him with that information and
cannot verify now of course it's been a really a will wind of a. journalist journalist all over trying to really find out where indeed it is edward snowden we're hoping that with the news that if indeed the average government had given that asylum to him that perhaps this might be the one thing that gets him to come out of hiding to his final destination back to you matt thanks very much. outside sure metro airport for us live with. well it should snowden turn out to be on the route to have an aviation expert a christian believes that there are several possible outcomes for the flight including every attempt by washington to force the plane to land take a listen. at the moment the u.s. government seems to be waving a big date and saying this way or any flights carrying this to snowden shouldn't be allowed to pause now want to that mean a could mean that any plane that he's
traveling the nation's might well prevent it from entering that space because they don't want to be caught up in this particular spot now the united states government intercepts the aircraft if it were to enter u.s.s. space possibly they could instruct to land somewhere in the united states i would think that would be unlikely. and of course the pilot himself how's the ability to divert once an airplane takes off of course it's entirely down to the pilots to choose the best route dependence upon. all of the prevailing operational conditions at the time if the pilots would choose to fly a route for example just outside u.s.s. space close to it that he be entitled to do that of his own volition provided that it didn't have any impacts upon the safety of the flights and the
safety of everybody else on board it ecuador says it's going to sit on asylum request for edward snowden a plea reportedly organized by wiki leaks ecuador's foreign minister currently on a visit to vietnam appear to be sympathetic to the whistleblowers plight during a news conference artes of the france has more and more ecuador stand in a matter. where in the world is edward snowden that is the question on the to every journalist tongue it's the missing piece of this puzzle we all want to put together it's a question that was put to the foreign minister ricardo patino over and over again by journalists at that press conference and those are questions that he successfully evaded now journalists like myself have been staked out here since early morning some even staying overnight just to catch a glimpse of this latest whistle blower on the run from the united states government we've had cars coming in and out of the embassy official embassy vehicles wondering is he in the trunk is he underneath
a blanket in the back seat definitely definitely wanting to catch a glimpse the possibility that he could have been taken away from the airport and would have perhaps sought refuge here it's part of what makes this whole sort of detective stories that interesting is that he is being given guidance very heavily by wiki leaks whose leader is really no songes being sheltered within the walls of the ecuadorian embassy there in london it makes ecuador the obvious choice obviously for seeking asylum and then if if mr snowden were to need a place to stay while in russia it would therefore make sense that he would be here but alas we have not been satisfied we are still on the watch for mr snowden to come rain or shine so it's just a very intriguing story that i'm sure will be keeping a very close eye on all the journalists here at the embassy for quite a while now we're clearly expounder julian assange saying that edward snowden is in safe hands but not revealing his actual location up to this point he was speaking
via phone from his location at the ecuadorian embassy in london in london that's where our team is polly boyko joins us now live with the latest on that so tell us more about what we can leaker in chief so to speak to say about all this. signs was on the phone to john the less just now talking about edward snowden he did say that edward snowden various edward snowden and the wiki leaks representative traveling with him are healthy and safe and in very good spirits he would not disclose where they are though he said that for their safety because of the very very brilliant behavior of the u.s. administration they couldn't disclose edward snowden the u.s. millions limitation but the wiki leaks legal team were also on the phone they said that they would confirm that they have been assisting in edward snowden's asylum request to ecuador but also to two other countries which they also wouldn't disclose but it wasn't just
a political asylum request made to ecuador there were other countries involved as well and julian the songs was also talking about the fundamental right of every human being to political asylum and the fact that that fundamental rights trumps any other countries extradition request so he's calling on all the people of every country to call on their governments to secure the safety of edward snowden and not to succumb to what wiki leaks called the very bullying and threatening behavior of the obama administration in requesting the extradition of edward snowden from a number of countries that he's been traveling through including russia it seems like and as i said the main sort of result of julian assange enjoy he's been saying is that they are in contact with edward snowden he is safe he is healthy he is well at a secret location and despite the fact that the u.s. secretary of state has just called him a traitor despite the fact that there is
a world wide wild goose chase going on for the n.s.a. whistleblower wiki leaks is saying that it shouldn't just detract from the essence of what edward snowden has come out with and the groundbreaking revelations that he's made about the u.k. and the u.s. governments in particular invading the privacy of their citizens. from london with that update thanks very much for that report. well washington has been lashing out at the countries that snowden is passing through during his bid for safety for more requests for china and russia to arrest the whistleblower were accompanied by some criticism artie's gaiety chickie on the details from washington snowden is slipping away and u.s. officials express their frustration by verbal e. attacking the countries that do not hurry to put him in handcuffs and send him to the u.s. russia says he does no legal authority to arrest them secretary of state john kerry
said it's deeply troubling take a listen you know we would be deeply troubling obviously if they have adequate notice not withstanding that they make a decision willfully and if there was adequate notice there would be. without any question some the fact that impact on the relationship and consequences the u.s. they department has also sent out warnings to the states that may accept such as cuba venezuela ecuador asking them not to do that and to turn him over to. to his destinations lowden is of course choosing countries that would not be easily pressured by washington in the meantime u.s. politicians and pundits on television use what seems like a cold war rhetoric when they comment on the story presenting russia and china as the enemies that snowden is helping one form of fishel said russia and china are going to use this to embarrass the you was one should argue it's not as revelations that embarrass the u.s. not russia or china but that's exactly what's happening now u.s.
policymakers are doing everything possible to divert attention away from snowden's revelations and certainly one way of doing that is to present it as a cold war style cat and mouse chase that way you have us media now almost cheering for his capture although just a little while ago some of the same journalists were grateful for greater public awareness of the fact that the u.s. government is spying on millions of people who have done nothing wrong snowden of course has no illusions as to what lengths the u.s. government will go to catch him here's what he said shortly after he broke this story i could be you know rendered by the cia i could have a people come out after me or any of their third party partners you know they would they work closely with a number of other nations and that's a fear i'll live under for the rest of my life however long that happens to be you can't come forward against the world's most powerful intelligence agencies and be completely free from risk because they're such powerful adversaries the no one can
meaningfully oppose them. if they want to get you they'll get you in time soon also said it's not government persecution that he fears most he said the greatest fear that i have about the outcome of these disclosures is that nothing will change from how it's developing doesn't look like things will change for americans anytime soon but for the world the implications of his revelations are significant now for example the u.s. can't accuse china of cyber attacks without being accused of hypocrisy. china allegedly one of the major victims of washington spying protocol but the u.s. still felt it could demand snowden's arrest in hong kong martin jakes author of the book when china rules the world tells r.t. that the u.s. is trying to get away with being the world's big brother united states presume that it can be the global spy without any kind of accountability to the world whatever the chinese would be doing the united states of be doing it on my far far
far greater scale so i think i am i expect ation in this is that the united states will go quiet in relationship to china on these questions and you know the europeans are very unhappy about it because european countries because they the american americans have been spying without any kind of commission on. major european institutions and of course many many individuals and no one will believe that they've stopped doing it i mean how do they know you know how where did they go from being in any case they're justified i mean they've been saying well it's legitimate for us to do this and so on so you know it used to be if you remember that the united states was the global policeman now it's the global spying or updates and expert analysis i want to be next for edward snowden in a couple of minutes here on our t.v. stay with us.
thanks for staying with us seventeen minutes past the hour a plane a packed with scooping journalists heading for cuba but without the star of the show aboard seems like edward snowden's latest a vase of move to avoid extradition to the u.s. he's wanted there on espionage charges but what exactly has he done to outrage the u.s. so much let's take a look at the data that he disclosed now snowden revealed documents showing the n.s.a. has access to huge streams of internet data including emails chat rooms and video from large companies such as facebook and google in a program called prism and the u.s. government used the secret foreign intelligence surveillance court to gather an extensive range of information from the phone service provider of horizon he also revealed how both may. and china and hong kong have been victims of hundreds of cyber attacks by u.s. hackers and according to his latest leaks the u.k. is collecting and storing vast amounts of sensitive personal data from online and
telephone traffic and sharing it with the states norman solomon author and co-founder of the civil action group roots action since snowden's revelation uncovers the us people's fundamental struggle for civil liberties well he's really a hero to so many americans but rather than the labels the cheap crime is that he has brought truth to the necessity of the democratic process and is a curse people in the white house and many in congress are not happy about the illumination of they have been engaged in survey analysts which is direct violation of civil liberties of the citizens of the united states as well as a violation of the privacy of people around the we're all so naturally the obama administration and the vibe harness and security state fans on capitol hill want to grab it works no so it is
a fundamental conflict between those who are dominating the us government now who want to suppress the bill of rights and resistance not violent resistance from many of us who say no way we do not accept the suppression of our rights. not everybody thinks snowden is a hero or about his revelations will bring fundamental change r.t. sophie shevardnadze spoke with former cia director general michael hayden who thinks washington's espionage program isn't going to be cancelled anytime soon you can catch the full interview of our new show sophie co on our website r t dot com take a listen. but i think in programs like the ones that snowden made public this prison data collecting tool are they being wrapped up right now where is the n.s.a. going to go ahead with it and when in your opinion now i would see no reason why either the programs that he revealed the metadata program or the prism program why they would be stopped there lawful they're appropriate they're affective but the
effectiveness may be the element that's most harmed by these revelations again adversaries now know what we can do and also know what we won't do the boundaries of american law and policy and that gives them a higher probability that they'll be able to protect their communications from united states agencies trying to intercept them. new york based attorney chashma dar has written a book about bradley manning another well known u.s. whistleblower and he joins me now live to discuss edward snowden's possible fate thanks for joining us here on our t.v. so snowden has allegedly gotten a refugee status in ecuador what kind of legal guarantees or rights does that give him now. well that would be entirely up to the ecuadorian government like many
nation in the world their record free speech of freedom of the press is not to maculata however they do have very good record for hard here and people who have suffered persecution in other countries julian sun shoots holder the ecuadorian embassy in london. now his u.s. passport has been revoked officially by u.s. officials does that mean he's a limited from traveling anywhere other than places where he can get official sanction our county still travel now he can't travel with his room to maneuver his stuff that we limit to it it's interesting to note that it was the week you leaks organisation that provided the legal support that gave him this special kind of. traveling papers for refugee status which is fairly complex but they were at the ready they knew what to do and it's takes two weeks you weeks that he was able to
make it to moscow. what do you think edward snowden next moves are or should be from your perspective. he his options are very limited he could go to aqua go and go to venezuela he could go to cuba not one of those three latin american countries is a long term place that he can count harbor and him in cuba fidel castro is not going to live forever in venezuela it's six years from now a center right government that easily be elected that's easy to imagine and it's easy to imagine a center right government see creating a president of edward snowden told washington and in ecuador again if you don't korea was reelected by a very comfortable margin very clean elections next election cycle could be different but he can only go to one of these places the way that out maybe things will cool down in the united states other options will become available so is there
another place that you think would be a better option for him to hide out or is laying low right now the best thing he could do i don't think he has any good options available to him period and i don't think it's a bad thing that he is staying away from the united states instead of facing a very probable wife in prison term here those people who head unfavorably compared snowden to martin luther king jr and rosa parks had been forgetting that the civil rights activists in the u.s. forty to fifty years ago faced very short prison sentences they were not facing light sentences for their ass of civil disobedience snowden is and he will be so he can justify this time in a place that's temporarily safe but he does not have a stable life to look forward to especially not in next few years in comparison prospects them with those of say bradley manning or julian assange. he has more
room to maneuver than now and then a son just signs his in this kind of. oh mate being trapped in the ecuadorian embassy in the u.k. and it's in the fourth week of his court martial and he could very easily spend the rest of his life in prison so i think snowden from his own perspective he first of all he did the right date that leaked this information it's very crucial and like a majority of americans i'm glad this news is out there it's a very very important state break and its effects all of us but i certainly can't blame him for looking for a country that will not throw him in jail how do you interpret this kind of disappearing act that he's pulled do you think of just a way of evading the press or do you think this was more of a form of self-preservation so to speak i think it's both you know the world media is definitely not on his side especially not the american media. majority of
americans do approve of his act of leaking and telling the truth so it's quite a caper it's happening right now i don't want to distract too much from the real issues the real important questions raised by the content of his leaks for instance has this massive dragnet surveillance accomplished any of it security goals of the us media and even politicians are starting to ask that question more aggressively and it seems anything but clear that the intrusive surveillance methods have yielded the kind of security results that their supporters say they have we also have a new debate about privacy about state intrusion into our individual lives that as long as we are all right lawyer and author chase but i thank you very much for your time and insight thank you. well snowden's revelations have earned him a place in
a very exclusive group among whistleblowers in the united states let's take a look at some of that on a roll right now so to speak but actually first before we do that let's take a look at our online poll on our t.v. dot com where we're asking what you think would be the next move for edward snowden and where he should go next so far the majority twenty eight percent say he had a better chance of staying in a russia and finding refuge there twenty six percent saying he will be able to make it to ecuador but that will be the only way for him to actually seek a kind of final refuge twenty five percent saying if he doesn't get near u.s. airspace veni he may make it to an asylum based country like it or for example twenty one percent saying he probably will make it to his final destination but he should be in hiding along the way like he is apparently doing well what do you think log on to our team dot com and cast your vote well stay with us here on our
t.v. up next our special report on the conflict in chechnya. if you live in the u.s. knows that the i.r.s. does not play around one honest or dishonest mistake could get you in a lot of trouble even a longtime friend of mine got his entire life savings destroyed due to some simple honest error you think that workers in an organization that could punish you for your financial failings would be very sharp with their own money but that's sadly not the case according to an audit report from the treasury inspector general for tax administration at the very least one thousand iris employees have abused the charge cards they were issued to cover their official travel. expenses some of these people are very high on the ladder including an executive level official
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