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it would be very misleading but nonetheless. the social media can direct you in in various ways to where major stories are occurring so that it is easy to alliances a factual basis but as. an indicator of important things happen that sound legal over outreach you think is ations have because arguably you know your name your visibility is something that is very important in the media that's why people ultimately trust you and if again we have. media figures like yourself dedicating your time and your life your efforts your passion. opinionated programs more than again that. job of just reporting that some would argue that it's not having that much of an impact both for you. greatly exaggerated my role in our journalism and i'm not saying that how to different moderators island and say has
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a fight but secondly. the focus that we have on the progress i do on now on the journalist and the right way to do is is an equality of focus and look at things from the perspective of equality and look at things and ask questions from that perspective identify stories that are important from that perspective or those who don't have that perspective and have another perspective identify different stories and have different interpretations interspersed now since but this isn't something new this was always the case and we were we were we were insufficiently aware of how subjective news reporting was all along and props being more aware of it now it is a good thing i can point out what matters does a you know relatively minor incident involving a celebrity matter or draws something in africa for instance in the democratic republic of congo huge war fight. million people killed aaron in the war between
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one thousand nine hundred eight and two thousand and one for hardly got any media attention around the world to tall so not that much has changed and that the subjectivity that you have of dental fide was always present but at the same time as far as i know from your own biography again you made an important contribution not only to the print media also to the investigative journalism and i want to mention that historically the term fourth estate refers to the print media and it is the print media that print is the most consequential pieces of reporting that we know the watergate some of the pentagon papers and so on isn't it the case that it is broadcasting and television that is ultimately driving the quality of journalism down i don't just take you up on the great print media exclusives reported. and you mentioned watergate at the same time to forget happened president nixon
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along with henry kissinger as secretary of state were secretly bomb in cambodia and they murdered it certainly three hundred thousand people died got almost no attention at all by people for our focus our mortgage on the break in a democratic party headquarters and lies being told by now which was the more important story by far more important story was what was happening in cambodia and yet hardly anybody. bothered about that story at the time and people now remember watergate as a high point in print journalism has and i think that it was a low point in print journalism in that it distract attention away from a hugely important issue and it was by comparison with a trivial issue but it's still that significant very profound political change and it happened because of the reporters if you look at the recent revelations of the government's wrongdoing i mean i'm talking about disclosure. by bradley manning or
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at what snowden you know they didn't require annie journalistic participation toll so isn't it the case that we journalists this century have given up on that very important function that you mentioned earlier of keeping the governments in check it is people of other professions who are now are doing that and you say given up in prize if we did it at any stage that we know what the big issue is i'm just giving you an example but come portier we nor that there was a lot of good reporting in america on the vietnam war and certainly did have a an important effect but it was television actually dutch. that most influenced american public opinion on vietnam or it was in print journalism though there were some outstanding print journalists involved in reporting on the war so things aren't just clear cut as you you are presenting them well let me bring up an example from again in your own biography i think you reported quiet substantially on the iranian and that. very profound scandal in your country when the government
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was tapping your phones the government later on so i would suggest that at that time many journalists still considered themselves the watchdogs of the government but nowadays it looks like we are more like the dogs who keep barking while the caravan keeps moving and i think your own country's a very prime example of that because you keep criticizing the government you say that you keep it in chad but the policy itself successive governments don't seem to be changing that's true because we have a very thin democracy that's what's called parliamentary democracy is very it's very shallow democracy. and really does no sense in which people are self-governing there's no sense in which people are sovereign and. it is almost is regarded as a. almost to make the point that it is the people in the sovereign if they do to begin. decisions and yet are alienated from politics because they don't have any
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role there no no no central italy. so nothing changes because politics is too large extent about which crowd which group hold the office at the same time and they do exactly the same as was the case previously and they're also infected with exactly the same ideology and the other crowd so that nothing important changes and going back to this perspective equality there's no sense like for instance we have gone through with the serious financial crisis in this country in the last five years but we still remain one of the richest countries in the world and we. we could have and gone through that crisis with far less pain had we distributed the pain but also had we distributed the world a good deal better than we do instead we have a afflicted people who are already disadvantaged in really cruel ways in many instances and although to some extent the richer. segment of society has taken
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some of the pardon they still are largely and troubled by what has happened done by the adjustments that have been made and i know that again you've been very vocal on all those points throughout the crisis bread for some reason many of your points fell on deaf ears don't you think that one of the reasons for that may be that this proliferation of critical opinion in a something that allows petitions and the public to not pay attention to what journalists like yourself are saying quite taken by a marxist flass for. gramsci and he had the idea that part really rules the world was mindsets was he the ology and in order to change things you needed to change mindsets he call it hey community and i thought that that could be dealt with only through party called contract money. and to
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a large extent we are we are irrelevant we are just. the wind. but if we see ourselves as part of an ongoing counter had to many against the prevailing ideology of neo liberalism then over time if enough people do it things will change and i don't think there's any prospect of that happening of any imminent change it will be a generation you say it's going to change but is it going to change for better or for the worse because again if we take up your personal example of the government tapping your phones and you know you're seeing them later on thirty years later the governments you know some governments cannot afford to do that not only in or against some prominent journalist but also against them has a state and they don't have anything to fear i mean i'm sure you're aware of the recent n.s.a. scandal isn't that ultimately reflective of how disproportionate those roles of the
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media and the government have become we are no longer the watchdogs at all. but where we have their watchdogs and we've always operated within the confines of the prevailing hate money and diet. and we have very little influence we we in too far as we have any influence to target change or only things at the very at the margins and but with regard to the profound issues like for instance the equal distribution of wealth and power in respect to new and and educational that we have on most no effect at all. and incidentally my telephone nine hundred seventy five to ninety three eight years and i was allowed to see the find the surviving transcripts of those conversations and only two of them had any connection at all with the irate arrest they were in for more of the other eighty two entire. if you do it was pretty trivial matters largely political and i
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remember thinking at the time how i discovered all this that if they were tapping my phone for this also in consequential information there must have been tapping thousands of telephones here in ireland and it's not believed true that they were and could have proceeded edward snowden by thirty years when i was unable to find out he was in the privileged position he was able to tell the poor and the scale of the abuse of our modern technology by the american government and i think he is to be congratulated as i think russia is to be congratulated for giving him thanks very well but it's only temporary so. beside that we don't know the extent of the russian surveillance program at this point and we don't but i suspect that the russians would do doing their best in that regard i suspect that american take america is technologically ahead of them and in that but maybe i'm mistaken well mr brown we have to take
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a short break now but when we come back critics usually have last responsibilities and those who are being criticized when some brown seem to have a very clear vision of how things are supposed to be by why doesn't he try to implement that himself that's coming up in a few moments on worlds apart. oh it is women are. weapons although brits extremists. thinks. bill press likes the straight.
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destroying what our founding fathers once told to us by job market and on this show we were to feel the big picture of what's actually going on in the world we go beyond identifying the problem to try rational debate real discussion political issues facing the. bill ready to join the movement then welcome to the big picture . welcome back to worlds apart would be a discussing arlen's many woes with the country's top journalists wentz and brown mr brown it's difficult to find another country where the top two public personalities have a such long history of public disagreement i think you're a few to bit the country's prime minister and the county goes back decades when you
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first criticized him for his performance as as a member of parliament and i know that later on the you tried to make inroads into politics yourself do you think you would have made a batter politician first of all my it is true that i criticised him at the beginning his political career. but i've forgotten what it is and i suspect he'd forgotten about it well he didn't actually every interview with him earlier today and he said that. he made a point that you are trying to enter politics and were unsuccessful so obviously he stuck. by his mistake and that is well i i was invited by is his party leader at the time john bruton to contest the european elections in one thousand nine hundred four and i gave about an hour's consideration decided i would not i subsequently when there seemed to be general election imminent but again asked by the leader of of his party john bruton at the time to consider standing for the
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party i gave the consideration after i decided not to for. two main reasons one is i felt that i would i disagreed on every important issue with the party and it would be foolish of me to go ahead is just a standard bearer for the party or secondly i thought that my personality and by focus was really outside of my personality would be suited politics and my focus anyway was in journalism i did want to remain there but i don't see there being that sharp distinction between journalism and politics i think that all citizens. our should be involved in politics and certainly journalists are involved in politics now and in the party political sense but in the sense of i going to beijing analyzing political issues and commenting on them you know as i said i had a chance to interview him early in the morning and he was actually very
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complimentary if your are in assessing your contribution to this country i just want to use to hear that vincent is an institution in our country and we respected greatly for his opinions at different times so he calls you an institution in this country and i know that you know when he started expressing critical opinion of his political performance he once and made an offer it's here to expand one week and his constituency to see what the life of a public official entails and he says that battle for is still on the table ok tell him i'll take him up on. spend a week for them ok well i can bring television cameras along as well do you think that could create some i don't know some synergy that would be able to break this for out of the irish politics because it seems that. your petition seem to go round the circles in implementing various policies and again they are continuing on
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your path of criticizing that doesn't seem to change minds do you think that could lead to any significant change if you put your passions together you know they. come from different perspectives and that's it i think you're making too much of a discreet. i don't matter a damn and the disagreement is trivial it is of no consequence but for there is consequences a disagreement. on etiology really. to himself no need to logical he would seem so if not bored by etiology but everybody is and we all know. really strong perspective. on life and if. given examples like for many a lot of people thought slavery was ok and some with the some of the most respected people of of history like the people who founded the. america.
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jesus and out of a list told slavery was ok but over time things change people look back maybe in two hundred four hundred thousand years time and wonder how did people put up with such vast inequalities between an elite at the top hugely powerful who had massively lavishly wealthy and control the lives of so many others and others who were really nothing miserable. powerless belittled two lives now you mention me being or rather me overestimating the extent of your disagreements with their prime minister but i think you're all also underestimating the. your performance on an on camera i think your criticism can be quite ferocious and you know there are a lot of commentators who are sad that appearing on your show may make a break career and what i would like to ask is. whether or not you
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have a somewhat privileged position here because obviously criticizing is much easier and being a subject of criticism and the state of affairs in your country is so precarious these days that you don't feel a need to think twice to come up with critical points while being you know a public official even the prime minister is probably the hardest job in the world these days i mean. who would want to be the prime minister of ireland this time around because it's it's pretty hard to know about two hundred people who want to be prime minister of really i mean it's not paid that well i mean why would they would. as it is they are a joy power they enjoy we perceive the perks of the office and all that and no i disagree with you i don't i don't think that is the the the really the reason that there is friction between. people like me and people who
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who. come for interview is because our culture is such that numbers of political party feel they have got to defend everything the political party does particularly when it's in office and even though they themselves would be would share the criticism that there is they get into difficulties. surprisingly and it's the culture of obedience to the two party leadership that is the problem and it is a very serious problem because it means that our parliamentary democracy and even the even in our parliament drugs which was said earlier was a friend forward marcus it doesn't work doesn't it the theory is that governments are responsible to parliament that is not true because governments controlled parliament so there is no accountability and that is one of the major features of our. major defects of our political system but i mean what's the point of doing
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that anyway because regardless of which political party is in power the the policy still seem to be the same don't you feel like your job is essentially a waste of time a waste of your own precious an agenda that doesn't seem to move the policy one way or now doesn't but i think there's a function in drawing attention to the fact that we discover meant promise before we got into office that there would be a profound change in politics and the way we run things and approach and they led people to believe that we change in policy and that there would be change for instance with the cards placed and insisted that we pardon sharing on the buying type that europe would bear some of the burden but they came into office and not. change the tolerance is the former government to just stay down and i think that it's fair to to challenge members of the government or members of government parties on that how com you made these promises and nothing changed by that challenge people i think become more sensitized to the hypocrisy of politics of our
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politics to the. the unaccountability of our politics to the pointlessness of a lot of it and i think that's useful because only when people become fully aware of that pointlessness and angry about it will there be change but at the same time for example if we look at the track record of the current prime minister. it's true that what he said that he made a lot of promises on the campaign trail but when he came to power one of the first things that he did was to. give public finances to the banks to prevent them from going bankrupt and to keep them solvent so even after that he is ratings his popularity ratings continue to increase and so. isn't it ultimately true that people get the leaders that they deserve to create appeal because the policies they deserve are the political system they deserve but people are caught
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in the constitution traps people in our present political mode and it's very difficult to get out of it the only way i would see harvard would be if there was a provision in our constitution prayer by say one hundred thousand electors could demand a change in the constitution and demand a perfect particular law go to referendum and that might change things and people would feel empowered that they could directly change change things but one of the depressing feature is that that can't happen because the government of the day can't control straight any initiative such as that that would deepen debacle. so you're so it's not that people dissolve the politicians they get they're trapped in a political system that doesn't work i know that one of the shows that you did not so long ago was on the news that despite oldest era to measures members of parliament approved additional funding for p.r.
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purposes and you were very critical of the fact that it would expand mining on spin rather than some other very pressing needs but my question to you is whether you thing journalism is still entitled to that privileged position that it claimed for us itself a couple of decades ago i mean i don't know what you mean by criticised funding of p.r. spin but. i journalist do journalists have privileged position yes they do and to a large extent people don't have a voice and journalists do have a voice and therefore they have a privileged position and i think there is an obligation on those of us who do our voice to use that for us to express the interest to defend the interests of the voiceless and there may be an arkansas natural hooter my to think that i can you understand that this power could also be abused for political purposes do you think the journal is the watch dogs should be
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a wash themselves oh absolutely and journalists themselves should be held to account and media institutions should be held to account and there's reason to be apprehensive about the can be concentration of media ownership but also about the fact that the media here and i think in russia is controlled by a very powerful and very wealthy elite and inevitably the media is going to reflect the interests that wealthy elites and again that's something that we should be drawing attention to mr brown thank you very much for your time and if you like the show please join us again same place same time here on the walls of. this is the place that has been consecrated to god for almost
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a pleasure to have you with us here today i'm sure. the olympic torch is on it's a big journey to structure. one hundred twenty three days. through two thousand nine hundred two cities of russia. relayed by origins ocean people for sixty five thousand killing to pin a record setting trip by land air and sea and others face. a limpid torch relay. on our chief march to daku. take up your personal example of the government topping your followers and you know you see them later on to me years later you know some governments cannot afford to
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do that not only you know prominent journalism and so again some has a status i remember thinking at the time and i discovered all this if they were tapping my phone so this is also an inconsequential information demo spin tapping. telephones. little. terrorists are simply a bad groups of people located throughout the world no different than say a motorcycle gang or what have you that are involved in bad activities you're not
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going to solve that problem by invading countries overthrowing governments and occupying countries that's the solution that's in saying that you're going to win it with good police work and intelligence gathering that's how you'll defeat terrorism they are just simply little pockets of bad people throughout the world you have to deal with and creating an empire or an occupying nations with your military is not the answer.
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in picture a for diplomacy after days of tense negotiations tehran and six world powers clinching breakthrough nuclear deal bringing an end to a decade long standoff but divisions remain but on the end. enrichment program will continue this first step does not say that iran has a right to enrich but mixed messages so what exactly did the sides agree on. this being. the war has started three mpg anything. to be grueling for another six months experts warned that the deals vagal language could see all sides interpret the deal to suit themselves. and other news police think tear gas on a crowd of protesters trying.


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