tv Cross Talk RT December 23, 2019 6:30am-7:01am EST
hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle but democrats in their pliant friends in the corporate media clamor to have trump in peach for months now they are determined to slow walk it a winning strategy and the dangers of historical revisionism. talking some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst and editor at me internet media project and in nicosia we crossed alex course before oh he is the director and writer for the duran dot com crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always
appreciate let me go to alex nicosia well it is the holiday time and st nick hopefully you'll be visiting your home i have a question for you alex is that nancy pelosi been nadi or nice because i think her stocking at the end the end of the day is going to end up pretty empty or maybe just a rock go ahead alex oh i think it depends who you're asking peter i think that without a doubt if you're looking at the hollywood elite new york wall street elite if you're looking at the squad and the radical left they yet are going to probably you know feel really good about what nancy did because you know they got their twitter as j w points with the whole impeachment thing but if you look at the whole rest of the united states everything else i think people are absolutely upset with it i think it's going to harden trump's base that's that's without a doubt it's going to hard to trust base we saw that when he went to battle creek and did the rally i mean trump did even. i care about a piece we talked
a total of about 45 seconds about impeachment and the rest of the time he was typical trump and i think you could look at the independents who are going to say what is going on and he looks he was in a rush to get this out and now she wants to stall and delay it. you know diminish the very interesting thing is here is that i mean from my perspective my opinion every single stratagem they've tried to use against this president and i'm not i'm not carrying water for trump here but every single stratagem they've used to tear this presidency down is only made him stronger now as alex christopher just said you know this rush to impeachment and. right to the line you back off i mean there is a possibility that those articles of impeachment may never be delivered to the senate and on top of that nancy pelosi we're watching the process in congress after all she's the speaker with jerry nadler and adam schiff how they played. their own very
biased game nancy pelosi now wants to control the game in the senate that is that is unheard of and of course the senate isn't going to react well i think they're drunk himself also made mistakes which made these pathetic situation possible you know i tend to agree with stephanie cohen steven cohen who basically said that when trump felt you know these russia gay do you agree again things directed against him say he strategy was to appease them he surrounded himself by the rules for forbes. sure you know vain hope that that will be there. when the democrats we know that there is a huge outre liberal i do or we just standing behind it it's not just the us democrats it's by a hard as a it's my being and it's a lot of republicans these are people who basically do not believe in the united states as a separate country who believe in their you may get all the whole world. very very
dangerous grounds but i think trump is right when he is saying this you know in his letter to pelosi 19 minutes after i took all of office the washington post said that i would be under investigation no after 3 years of unfair and warranted investigations $45000000.00 spent 18 angry democrat prosecutors the entire force of the f.b.i. you follow nothing nothing if they go back to alex and these men didn't. for years and this entire presidency the interesting thing here is that the articles themselves are very unclear they're very murky and they were get were given the situation where palosi and company want more after they've gone to impeaching him with articles now they want more time to investigate i mean this
is completely upside down this is an investigation in search of a crime when it should have been a crime has been established and the trial should go forward i mean the american people aren't dumbfounded by this and i have to agree with you are very frustrated either you impeach or you don't but you can't do anything you can't do in what they're doing in between go ahead alex. yeah i mean the whole process was based on feelings wasn't it pure i'm elaine even the main witness sunderland the only evidence that you had in the whole process was trumped telling him no quid pro quo that's a fact everything else was just based on feelings on assumptions and things like that ed now you have palosi saying ok based on these feelings we find you guilty but now we need to wait a little bit to find the evidence in order to justify our claim of guilt they are playing games no one likes games in any relationship nobody likes it when the other party plays games and nancy pelosi has taken this thing way too far and people are
going to be very very upset and frustrated by it because she's simply playing games with the american public it's an except alex it's actually even worse because if you delve deeper into it not just the simple minded mainstream media it is it's it's unclear if trump actually is in pete speak has it hasn't moved to the senate i mean we really are in this never neverland right now and you can't that is a status quo that cannot remain i mean either you move forward or not this is what the mainstream media and therefore their democratic friends have told us you can't stop at the goal post even one of the lawyers that testified i forgot his name no i forgot the guy's name but he even said he even penned an op ed that said trump is not impeached until those articles are delivered to the senate and this guy was was testifying against trump you actually wanted trump impeached from the very
beginning of his presidency so even he's saying nancy pelosi you gotta get the articles to the senate in order for this impeachment to stand but nancy pelosi is hinting that she's not going to do that she wants to keep this thing hanging over the head of trump the only thing that i can think of peter is the cherry on the cake to this complete clown. show is hillary clinton coming out and saying you know what i'm going to run for presidency that's going to be the cherry on top of this in a year 3 years ok i said in my introduction davis it would any other g i think we just got the answer go ahead well i think that the most pathetic thing would be hillary clinton saying since trump is not the legitimate president and that's what he said no no he's not not only is he not a legitimate president he's not legitimately put in p.j. ok. and consciously again made his out well you know after 3 years of his rule she suddenly found out that she would that he was not legitimate but this is all lawful
you know and again i'm coming back to mistakes you know there you dear there these people would somehow be pieced by forbes like the only heel james major. don't bolt on their idea that they would be a beast or simply wrong because there is no limit there is absolutely no limit to their actions you know they can go to great lengths in making their i think your reality well i mean i mean the fact of the matter is if you look at the facts trump has been far more hard on russia than obama ever was. on ukraine than obama ever was let the weapons for the ukrainian regime something that i still didn't dare to do then just recently you know trump simply. company all ceased to proceed with the north to project and this is against all
rules because the united states could not order a sweet company and to cooperate on all corporate with a perfectly legitimate project and you know the americans have been saying that this is against ukraine russia has just signed an agreement we're hearing so it can all be longer used as an excuse but these people they don't need excuses listen again trump is right in his letter. and he is 100 percent right here president silastic a repeat that he declared that they did nothing wrong that it was a good form call that nobody pushed me but they don't believe zelinsky their own man they believe they were all even a feeling that someone who is growing intimidated to try to intimidate everyone alex let me go back to you nicosia at the end of the day this whole stratagem helps trump it helps him ok really what it does it closes the ranks of his base we have said on another venue on the on the duran then you know it brought out the
best however you want to look at it the best of the g.o.p. and it's brought out the worst of the democrats and the media go ahead. yeah you saw that in the vote ok that the house stuck with trump 100 percent the senate's going to do the same maybe just maybe you have a romney type of situation one guy but i even doubt that's going to happen peter nancy pelosi wants bolton she wants more they need to be witnesses and all the stuff she thinks she did is just sit there on a truck she doesn't run the try she has no right to do that let's let's see steel let's see chalupa hunter let's see hunter biden let's see brennan let's see clabber let's see hillary clinton let's see you debbie wassermann schultz let's see them all take take paul to you know what has people i want to see them maybe maybe you're you and i'll be the only one that would agree on this maybe nancy should hold on to those articles let's wait for the durham report to come out let's wait for that ok that would be
a nice. ok because the way the pliant media is in backing the democrats they are only pushing one narrative the other narrative is the obama administration was deeply deeply corrupt and used the levers of power as political blackmail and smearing 40 seconds this was the 1st time for that 25 years i think that i felt myself a soviet person i was trying to find the taxed of the left at the end of the american media and they couldn't i want to find a big article in the new york times which. like to hear a little bit more a lady is all what is the only thing you need to know ok 22nd statement and so i think that shows your you know when people have no access to information when the media dominated by the liberals is not providing even facts that people can use
that smacks of the soviet union much more than russia today. in this day and age facts are not important it's how you feel and it's something. me here alex thank you for joining us on this part of the program very merry christmas and i'll be in touch if we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news stayed with r.t. . what politicians do. you put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president and you. want. to go right to be close it's like them before 3 in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters about how. there should be.
brothers see through i do in the room light of them so little. my name is drawn more than i was for this to die in prison by the expression love my life. the case to grab some media attention i mean it's a shooting in a 16 year old's 16 birthday party south side and the police tell a lot of pressure to. close the case. before he is. just it's like i couldn't believe those. you know so far they are all more than the shooter and i want basically with this that all of the shooting because i was standing right next to. me for is because you got to keep in mind one thing doing those 1617 zone so.
these clues monday night was just wondering to his peers both lunchroom. formers is. going to go down to true. as the night before christmas and all over the world people are mining back on seeking individual sovereignty so they'll probably just when you think. welcome back to cross talk were all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real names. and now to london where we're joined by marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics 1st magazine our idema let's talk about historical revisionism because
it's something that's very very important to this country where we reside in russia here a lot of here putin had an informal gathering with members of the c.i.s. the jury is going to bring you know and they talked about he talked about historical revisionism particularly about how the west is changing the interpretation of the origins of the 2nd world war that's not a monday in topic it's very important to go ahead well i think there. of course the reaction to the speech by portion which continued for more than an hour the reaction of will be negative in the well what did he say. well 1st i would say that they will say that he is close to start in that he's interpretation is very much like the one that we've had in the soviet union and that simply is not true because fortune made an effort to rican side. russia and the rest of europe he went to call it meeting you know that polish office where indeed the executive
that one starred in sold us he went to investors bought in 2009. even though he knew they had to point to russia but he has lost patience in this situation because these resolutions by the you of be in parliament or in their name of preservation of historical memory for the future of europe which in fact which in fact puts on equal footing right now to germany and the soviet union and when these people talk about the soviet union they talk about russia they never say. it but they don't talk about other countries are they going to have any knowledge it's only a russian wouldn't would not just by the way go to markets here i mean it's very very interesting. i look at the origins of the 2nd world war in europe as a failure of the western designed system security system collapsed in the most glaring example of that is munich but if you look at the historical record it
wasn't just the soviet union and nazi germany that side degree mintz we go back to 1934 germany in poland the u.k. in 1935 with the of the anglo german maritime agreement then we have munich itself then you have the franco german declaration. in 1938 i mean and it goes on a lot be it is well and then when we had munich when we saw czechoslovakia being carved up poland is a part of that partition as well and it's a very hungry as well this is such a myopic self-serving view of history instead of trying to understand why the system failed what they want to do is legitimize not taking responsibility for what happened go ahead marcus. peter let me clarify something 1st of all the commonwealth of independent states is a family all sorts are no peoples peoples who live in the same country so many centuries 1st of all the russian empire and then the soviet union and let's not forget that in march 90 knots you want
a national referendum that's right now it is you in which 77 percent of the soviet people voted to preserve the union of soviet socialist republics and in the ukraine the figure was about 80 percent now it's turned into the historical revisionism in the west regarding the origins of quote will to what happens following will it will suit in my opinion page this is the most offensive aspects of the west's attack demonization of russia because as we know as any what less hostile brain notes on outsourced and lightsome and noticed it was the soviet union sacrifices that ensured guaranteed the defeat of nazi germany for at a fire german soldiers died fighting the red army 88 percent of total wartime casualties were incurred on the eastern front against the red army and the guard in the origins of well it would say well peter you've already cited many references to
to demonstrate very closely but there are other countries that play their very important growth net the cards in the account in the non-aggression treaty between the survey you nazi germany well that was not a genuine pats of friendship and now there are signs yet col so i'd like to give him to give him a free hand to deal with frost that was signed by starling to buy more time for the soviet union to prepare for an inevitable conflict with nazi germany now that is something that is not going to be told in the west and we have to remember it's a day. because to me it is again a superpower and this all has to be taken down by any means necessary it's not means holding it was. so big that means inclusive actions on the russian economy sort of big but i can only say this is the greatest affronts of the soviet we call
what the west is doing at the moment well it also you know you know came of the thing instance that the way to the reason they can get away with this because you have the political leader stalin and you have an ideology communism easy from that for the west to demonize but if you step takes take a step back and look at the geopolitics of it all any entity at that time whatever political regime was in russia would have done more or less the same thing this is what states do to protect themselves ok it's not that you don't look at an interlocutor as a person as a country with virtue it's all about your own security here and this is why the west is romanticizing it and itself exactly in romanticizes itself but it it is a little bit what they do is they go through this process of dehumanization because
of a system that they created where the soviet union was not allowed to be a participant of and it's their system they collapse they're the ones they destroyed czechoslovakia not the soviet union and not stone well there is a moral aspect to it all. i would remind our viewers that the soviet union itself in $1809.00 there was a special decision by the soviet bottom we should declare. it back to morrow and we denounce the secret protocols to it so the soviet union had the moral and that raises that was in the new russia that was the soviet union under gorbachev you know but this was never going to see pretty. that unfortunately all of gorbachev concessions you know meeting there in. fact they were all view by the european union by the united states especially by war and ass science a weakness that needs to be used you know the all sort the pressure became
greater with the russian concessions so in these talks you know basically all the cards on the table he's talking absolute is in syria he said what would happen to the jews in the east important if the soviet union did not take that part of the country in september 1031 they would share the fate of jules who stayed in warsaw he said absolutely clear and putin said in his speech. you know when i see what is going on in certain countries of europe with 4 bit within 370 ism and other things that reminds me of something and he is right you know if you think these not only writing let me go back to marcus i mean i find this. so bizarre marcus because when you look at the you know it's go past the 2nd world war and the behavior of essentially nato member countries going traipsing around the world
forcing regime change against international law illegal occupation illegal bombing and they want to go back to 939 and to make themselves look virtuous maybe that's exactly why they're doing it because they lack so much virtue on the international stage since then go ahead mark. and let us not forget as well pizza that in the early 19 fifties or in the creation of nato or the soviet union asked to be a member of nato and nato said or america said no now if we have a look in the mid 19th frets he's right up until the son of 19 for tonight is soviet leadership stalin so collect social security or france and britain but paris and london dismissed stalin's play for collective security why because they felt the red army was offensively in nets they also had this fear
is hysterical fear of communism at least there was some sympathy specially were going to british establishment towards nazi germany yep absolutely there is this this story korea that russia can barbarism could france and western europe and let me say also peace and i can hear hysteria in our west minutes that will i'm about to say was the cardinal factor in the soviet union spicher and nazi germany it was the stalinist system why did the russian imperial army collapse in world one because it did not have an industrial base capable of supporting it in world war 2 the red army had a massive industrial base that was able to sustain it and especially outstripped the output or to the german industrial or see certain stalin ism which we can never forget the state since a start with his in the early 19 thirties but the greatest test that stalin innocent was faced leave it at an has it well i am god i'm glad you brought that up
marcus because that's why we need to study history because it's far more complicated than most people want to admit or even understand that is a very interesting and very difficult not to untie but you're absolutely right you know demon i'm glad marcus brought up the summer. 939 because when you had the soviet union sending out feelers for some kind of collective security with the west . you have a juxtaposition you have a have a british delegation they set off to go to moscow but they take a slow ship and they go through the baltic and the but the nazis were picked up he got on a plane and he flew there immediately stalin knew the soviets knew that they were no good will from the west and at the last 2nd they made a decision you could talk about the morality of it that's fine but the geo
political political aspects of this very make sense well seconds from a moral point of view it should be admitted that almost all european countries between 10331941 corporators with nazi germany. was one of them unfortunately but it was not the one that won and the big lie now is that in the west we hear that it was all of the soviet union the ones who were clean no almost everyone with the exception possible exception of czechoslovakia and that's a huge lesson. because the western powers allowed it to be broken up against international law they were not supported sovereignty and that is the crisis of the interim national system that they bear responsibility for their demands all the time we have marcus thank you very much merry christmas to you we'll see you in the new year many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t.c. next time remember rostock rules.
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