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well you still because you recently sophie shevardnadze mold is great actually rolling back lockdown measures as a coronavirus today shows sort of easing off well to talk about this are joined by paul turner rachel carson professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at yale university and professor of microbiology at yale school of medicine. paul turner rachel carson professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at yale university professor of microbiology at yale school of medicine is really great to have you with us so much. all right so 1st bank 1st countries are gradually lifting lockdown measures which is understandable as economists sort of falling apart and people need to get back to work but it is this is still with
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us there are new cases all the time look at germany look at south korea would you say it's too early to start looking dollars frictions oh 1st thank you for having me it's a pleasure to be here and i think the concern that you raise is a very important question when exactly to reopen how aggressively do we reopen because people are getting understandably anxious either from. being unable to work just being at home mental illness is you start to kick in and yet at the same time we know as you mentioned there are plenty of asymptomatic cases there's plenty of spread yet to happen and it's a very delicate balance between when should we reopen and when can we go ahead with many antivirals vaccine research everything that we can do to help those who are afflicted as the disease spreads so this is a very unique time in human history and
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a very difficult one to make these decisions but if you were actually let's say here in charge here head of w h l r if you are present when they push it well would you say it's time to sort it ease up down my preference would be if we could to ease up on the lockdown after 2 or 3 more months if we really start to well if we embrace the need to continue to not see. nixon large groups the way we had become accustomed to in so many years not to do as much travel around the world as we had done in prior years we know this is going to help in this fundamental epidemiology there's no huge mystery but this would help as we continue to grapple with the problem so the issue is in others if we're to be as patient as i seem to be willing to be this patient and the answer is clearly no and that's why this is an issue is how quickly can we go
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forward as well as how prudently can we wake. so delhi a share earlier said no reason to believe that polemic will come to a close in summer but russia has authorities places their scene at the barracks because there are patches at air temperature over 30 degrees celsius. what's your view do you support that you will hot summer days may call it larry king live it's great because my view based on the evidence that i've seen is that we would probably be fortunate this summer and any places experiencing warmer climates we're going to be benefited by this probably with reduced transmission and it's important i answered with a probably because of course we don't know what we are dealing with a new problem however i have to say based on the evidence about i've seen the experts who i've heard from the literature and i've read is that we should benefit from this so the idea of moving forward in opening reopening prudently with the expectation that we're going to get the benefit of reduced transmission i think is
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a real possibility and that would be my hope is that we navigate that properly are we all of our of those who say that yeah we will probably get it at the end of the summer but come autumn and start it shares drop we are going to be great for a 2nd wave out to greens that or we could actually not be having this kool-aid i agree with that because we don't know yet how much of the benefit of herd immunity is going to kick and i know you've discussed that earlier in your show with experts so if we do business it from herd immunity helping to reduce the cut off the chains of transmission so that people have never seen the virus or won't be as likely to be infected by it because these chains of transmission will be broken then in that case we would benefit from the herd immunity keeping in around the time that we would expect the cold time seasonality to also be problematic so i try to be an optimist but i also believe the data and i read as many of the papers as i can and
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i'm cautiously optimistic i really get some benefits from herd immunity that really gets benefits from the summertime seasonality reduce transmission before the inevitable return in the colder months. so then you heard about iris shares learning to 6 percent of the genome to a back or virus discovered in china in 2032 and this cyrus was considerable low risk and not really thought back then that it could mutate translate to humans causing pool demick like these you study the ways viruses adapt and evolve so tell me it's hard no way at all to predict how a battle school mutate i think there are ways to predict how a virus could mutate there are ways to predict how it can evolve and it seems like an insurmountable very difficult problem but it's more about which of the genes that are most important for that are as a disease as it evolves and sees a new post as a thing that we can key in on and i'm not revealing some history of
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a people as well but what it shows is that evolution is very hard to predict especially from the point of organismal interactions so you now have a virus it's entering a new host of humans we don't know enough about our in our own immune world immunity reaction to this iris we don't know enough about its interactions with immunity and reservoir host such as bats so i think what's emerging now let's use that term too lightly but what's emerging is that we need a lot more study of virus host interactions and wild animals more to get a greater understanding of how do you work i think that would allow us to make a better prediction about how any iris that could emerge in humans would interact with us but that is such is that it's like other animals to who all are potentially arafat but is there a place of fire siskel spread out to rats issue upsetting all the animals their
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potential e. you know hosts to dangerous to risky viruses to last few minutes i love that question because it recognizes the scope of the problem and i think you you may know this your listeners may know this was a really. in a world of viruses they are the most common thing on this planet the effects also human or life including humans as well as all the animals that live on the planet so it's pretty much impossible to do a blanket surveillance and all that biology became you're not well we can't c.n.n. on bus seemed to be almost. for us in countering them in the lyles as eating them as food that's on in the wild so this is what's going to happen in the next few years for sure to the next decade is going to see a lot more. basic research on these interactions and humans have with wild animals what we consume for food is a big task but i think we are up for it there are
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a lot of people who study by rolla gee of other organisms not just in humans and that's really what we're talking about here are the viruses were for their interactions with organisms that are not humans what can we predict about what we careen they jump into. so that i was talking to a very young russian virologist a couple of days ago and he was sort of proposing the same idea as you. know like out of all the viruses that are out there a potential viruses and they could be hundreds of thousands we only know about 6000 out of the 6000 i 3 or 4 are plant based viruses so where to get a database of all the no viruses a study that would really help us go forward with you know coming up with medication and coming out with the facts seem to know that if that were to happen how long would that take that you actually study all the potential are still we know are out there. good question i think unfortunately the study of all the
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viruses that are out there will take centuries essentially unless our methods for studying them improve radically timbs of the high throughput ability to do it. a better way to you know in my opinion is to. c n n specific virus. so we know corona virus is a problematic we're a bit complacent about mers from the virus sars front of virus one other corona virus issues that have happened in this century and we were a little late to that game we didn't we worry a lot about flu and understandably so but now so much attention is going to be paid to prone to viruses the key is what else is out there there's certainly other viruses that might have variants particular species there in some family of viruses that we consider to be a night for humans and yet you see very. easy ones to protect ourselves against but what if we don't and this is the problem with studying pandemics you don't know and so you know it's easier to be reactive than proactive but i hope that we are
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entering a new renaissance here i don't think we need any more evidence to show us that this is a vitally important problem facing we're talking about carotid viruses because this is the burning question now and from what we know there are around 30 types of coronaviruses known to us would you say it is more important to work on a universal vaccine that would actually be excellent to all of those they're occurring viruses are suing me working for a vaccine that is at fit to each one of that i think currently the goal is probably for those who are chasing the vaccine to work against this corona virus and the reason is that we are fortunate in seeing that it's not changing very much at the genetic level over time it's not like the flu problem or we have to really come up with a new vaccine each flu season because the virus is changing so quickly and what worries me about it a universal vaccine against all coronaviruses is that universal vaccines are just
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so difficult to establish and prove that they have safety and efficacy across that group that's a tall order worry about bad is the goal in a more realistic goal would be. that seems are being this current coronavirus problem that doesn't seem to be changing very quickly we will face the issue of waning immunity and i'm sure you've heard of that in others as well as we have no evidence yet and if somebody is infected with this current corona virus and it recovers from it they're protected long term through immunity if they were that would be wonderful but there's just no evidence to show that in my opinion at this point so we will be faced with perhaps in the back scene and then getting it again just unity but i don't see we're at the point right now where the strategies to create a universal vaccine against all corona boxes fortunately the other ones that affect us are varied but not. quite so i'm sure you heard that tell top that
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irrigates cable 2015 everyone's talking about right now it was about how unprepared for that it was for an epidemic following the ball outbreak and he actually proposed dealing with future badasses like we do with horse head of those who are so stand by trade that have infrastructure in place costly trade practice to restart and they may not have enough to have all of what we'll be able to see something like that after they sit at it. and i think that's i think that's very likely is that the global economic problem is altering from this i think of course only is as big or a big driver as the health issue so there are many people are unfortunately getting sick and dying and yet we don't even know the extent of the global economy. problems that have resulted from this and demi so what bill gates and others might
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be going for it if you can sort of prove idea that she taken seriously prepare ourselves for the future we know this is going to happen again being highly we're very population dense. and many areas species were highly vulnerable so this from just fundamental epidemiology what one should expect were hurt and we certainly could be better prepared about in the future we're going towards that as just a terrific goal. that effort or that idea just very quickly i want to go too deep into that what do you make of that possibility out immediately past choice that some countries are tolerate. i think that we have probably sufficient knowledge you that we can pull it off. i worry that it's going to contribute to a lot of what we already see in the world is how does an app not who has access to brown the planet from an economic standpoint that's clearly the case that everybody
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can travel as easily it's because they can't it's i'm to move away from their job or just take a vacation etc there's all sorts of restrictions that adding a layer of restriction to it sounds like a pretty daunting and not a very fun way to move forward if you know at the time or since i'm a realist so if this is a short period of time when i feel like humans are maybe inconvenience or good purpose this seems like one of those times and if there has to be a reduced ability to just move freely around the planet and if we're better able to track who has been exposed to the virus was recovered from it i can't say that that's a bad idea where we'll be right back with turner professor of ecology law miles at yale university talking about what's going to happen to lessen the nearest teachers say this.
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we go to work you straight home. the dropping of the f.b.i. case against michael flynn reveals what so many of us have long believe russia gate was a crude and sloppy invention undermine the outcome of the presidential election.
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how do you feel about the current occupant of the white house it was an attempted coup tellingly the corporate liberal media side of the conspiracy. and we're back with professor paul turner president microbiology and ecology at yale university paul iraq back to sorry parapet searching sorry for it he meant our president a virus of generations and generations ago so our game to remember is how to fight certain factions and then we as spaces grow more resistant over time and then it
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got me thinking how can some people go through chicken pox and their kids go through chicken pox as well. so this is the interesting thing about interactions between humans and certain passages so you said many things that are very intriguing in your statement one is that you see and genomes the ghosts of infection so in the long long ago evolution of our predecessors on this planet if they were interacting with viruses and being infected enough those viruses got it once all the germline so if they are asked for generation to generation through gametes then they become part of our genome and that's what we can recognise really when you do human genome sequence it interesting recent listenings there was a lot of then a social good so part of it for example leaves the proper formation of a sense and the inability of the mother to reject the child is something that seems like it's parasite rowing within the human body experience treating that's a viral gene that allows an interaction to work well in all placental mammals
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analysis go fast forward to more of the current day yes there are virus genes that might be in our genome that help us in a way express these genes and prevent us from being attacked by other viruses as vigorously so i take your questions i mean would if we've passed already had so many hundreds of years or thousands of years into the future the viruses of today are shaping up or we should future definitely the case. and the ways of avenues very unclear and we haven't. see how that happens or still trying to decipher have occurred asked what is undoubtedly happening and. i was also i was training asked is that how our immune system evolved kill out over time and become to it so that iris is more have to develop meaning taisha is to get its limits. yes that's a an intriguing question so the immune system to me as fascinating and i should say
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very transparently i'm not in any alts i try and read up on the topic as much as i can it's lots of other immunologists so the interesting they are immunology is one of the few things that's me reflects increased complexity over time in evolution so evolution doesn't always have this increasing complexity and it's only a single cell organisms around today there are around billions of years ago for example and they're doing quite a few but the point of increasingly complex system is prone to breakdown and breaks in the armor so the thing about immune response to some pathogens in ways that we don't entirely know it could be too big a risk right you're seeing this in the current and to make some individuals are being infected in their immune systems are in a way seemingly overreacting to the problem creating a worse problem maybe hastening it becoming a mortality ship and i don't think that this is very well understood but it's certainly very real so what i'm getting at is the unfortunate consequence of an
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increasingly price immune system is that yes it creates vulnerabilities because it is a complex immune system it works very well to protect this and i'm very happy i have it at the same time this is the root cause of auto immunity the mis firey the immune system to solve problems and actually turn the immune system on you and even korea worst problems as a result i think that's what you were getting at. was let me know. yes i know you've also said that viruses are immensely deborah hersman. plentiful on their planet so we could be in fact with a ton of different viruses and serve as a host to them and never even knew where they and that we also see what kind of ice island south people asil to that day they don't even know they had corona. you know put aside the 19th our most viruses harvest to humans there you know harmless to
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humans or me amounts enough of the exponent innate immune barrier to then that we didn't have to wait for him by used it we just have barriers against the infection and there's lots of ways that's built in to the geno so he had about 30000 level way for me to answer your question is it is a bit like swimming in a sea of viruses on this planet they're in the air we breathe the water we drink the suit we and by and large a lot of them are incapable of infecting her cells but interestingly some of them will strike syria so they may be in fact a plant matter and you eat salad and you and just a plant virus and it exits the other end tags and it can go on and infect a plant after that so fortunately we never know when some viruses enter and leave our body because they do us absolutely no harm and we fight them off successfully and the ones we do care about are at the so-called top of what's been referred to as a pathogen pyramid at the base of the pyramid are very many microbes including this
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is that you see every day as you marge upwards. you know as you traverse the top of this germinate you have mentioned gets at those that are of epidemic potential work and any attention and they get the most attention deservedly so and the unfortunate consequence is that we pay so much attention to them for all we know coronaviruses might be interacting with other viruses that are already in some people in some way in the directly or indirectly and this might be a clue to why the corona virus might be especially deadly and that person so that's a number. some of what you call partly microbial disease that's a big phrase just to say multiple microbes contributing to disease and i would have to say the best a very under study problem because it's a difficult problem to study it's not as a scientist i think nor good it's just a difficult one to grapple with is just a variety of data to sit there and what's making him say for persons 1st day could
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be due to some virus that's lurking in there that has not been described at all inside it's so i think we need to march in those efforts as well the secondary infections i come in with around a virus even non viral bacterial infections and seem to be contributing to secondary pneumonias and deaths and some individuals this really has to be examined from a poly microbial effort. to. do we have any essential lattices that live in us there are important actually good for our well being kind of like to carry that material well maybe so the residents of our micro biome are diverse and includes viruses and that's something times or birds you know as the viral so just like the micro biome that most people have heard about they're familiar with it different parts of your body you'll have different types of viruses that are characteristics residing in that part of your body and exactly what they're doing there is not quite clear are they so-called free riders of these
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is there in we don't have any benefit or detriment to having them there are they interacting in some circumstances with the residents of our micro biome to synergistically keep us healthy i think that's plausible i don't know of any very strong direct evidence for it but i think i like your question because it's also a great one for future effort viral has not been as well characterized from person to person. and interaction with things that we do every day but our diet much as a. vegetarian diet does. non-vegetarian knight in tribute to your viral in it it might just because anything seems to be possible because it's with micro biome so i i think i don't have a strong definitive answer yet because i don't believe science has found a definitive answer here yet the positive versus negative consequences of interacting with these viruses that are with us every recycle day is a great possibility for future work. so when
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a virus later said to sort of hijacks cells to replicate and he have an experiment with liberated virus into that rock has cells they want to sustain a virus they send that it would eventually die out before it is essential harm could this ecology work with a colleague not until just in question has we really looked into this with hiv infection and as you develop cheaper in a way hiv. approaches the so let me back up so somebody who is infected with h i c is typically never cured they are simply at best we can create antiviral combinations that keep a load of virus down in their body and city live a long life without viral load increases one point that they become in 8 mission so the in this yes we looked into this idea that you could take some cell type in
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the body that is less precious than your immune cells such as blood cells could you generate was something that was attractive. to inspect those cells instead in the case of a study that might be a good strategy because there's no i'm new cletus and red blood cells so therefore there's no way for h.p.v. enter that cell actually rappel it so machinery hijacked because there's no d.n.a. in a nucleus so that was a fun project to work on we we moved to the law and we didn't advance that research very much but i think that you raising this issue of time that we're living in right now i believe is a special on we'll look back on. when it seemed as if far out there or left field service new ideas were little too much for biomedicine another were scrambling to find ways to solve the endemic in a way i wonder if we're going to enter into what's for when there's a little more. within the realms of safety to examine ideas that are pretty atypical ones for bias can we bridge and engineering principles other realms
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of science biology to come up with you know is this really an idea that might be a game changer in a day put a little bit of effort towards doing it over several months or even years we might just develop something that is so new to the world and so biomedicine it will be a major transition and to me that is my hope that once we know what this problem i mean that the other side of it whatever the other side may be is that we're really trying to head straight mind you with some very out of the box think of what we might do just so you know by tomorrow. i hope we humans get a chance to see based out of the box a face that could be a stellar new mazing for the whole humanity thank you very much it was wonderful interview for his insight it was keep all the past stay safe and hopefully we'll talk soon a.j. we're terms are better and the president is our thank you for having me michel us.
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and you have a lot of people. are going to remember. at least. the problem. in the. earth and i was really. mean you. ask yourself how are you going to how are you going to protect
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yourself. using technology where they've been able to name x. people's private information on the cell phones and see what you mean if you have crossed off somebody who is positive. and if you are if you had a meeting. somebody wasn't a tease you must be in aren't. interesting . or are in the same situation.
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welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is r.t. u.k. . the coronavirus infection rate is shown to differ drastically around the u.k. as one study claims around $17000000.00 people could have already contracted the virus. police across england for better dispersed until long time protests for this weekend bounce as the crown prosecution service rules that all charges under the coronavirus act are on mournful. but one for says it will not treat british and irish citizens in northern ireland as emu citizens are thrown out my court case i'll be talking to the woman behind the legal decision. and charges report an
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increase in elderly people struggling to put food on the table during the last down with food banks reporting a tripling in demand. welcome to our 2 u.k. the growth of virus infection rate has revealed to be markedly different across the country as the government admits the lockdown could be eased that's as police prepared to break up planned i'm t. lock down protests across the country over the weekend well. the latest on this. by the recess so how does the situation look across the u.k. . well the situation today in different parts of the country tells a very different story depending on where you are now and all of this is of course based on all right which is the of the rates of infection will the average number 'd of people who are infected by those who already have the virus now in order for
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the government to be able to ease some of those not down measures but needs to be below one but of course in different parts of the conjuror as i mentioned the story is markedly different now we've seen moderate by public health england and cambridge university and it shows that in london for example the right is a report for so for every 10 people 'd who have the virus they positon to the full you go to the midlands it's just under there point 7 in the east of england slightly higher than that same again in the south easily england but in the north west the figure has reached 0.73 that accounts for a little lower than 2000 infections a day you go to the southwest the infection rate is on the our range is 0.76 yorkshire and the north east now that's considered to be the epicenter of the outbreak it's standing at 0.8 so in other words for every 10 people with the virus
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that infecting 8 people in and out takes the whole of the case rate to 0.75 and we've also seen researches from the university of manchester suggest that a significant number of people have already been sharks the virus over 7 tane 1000000 that's one in 3 people in the united kingdom and government spokespeople saying that depends on where you are in the country but they could be easing those lock down measures in different ways and at different rates again depending on the severity of that locked down right but also not just the regions as well the place that having a tough time they don't like. absolutely we see. so the coronavirus act passed a piece of legislation that was prosperity quickly getting police different powers to deal with the lock down of people who are seen to be violating it but we've been seeing from the crown prosecution service at c.b.s. $44.00 charges of people who are arrested under the act being overturned or been
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drawn and that includes one lady who was arrested $5.60 pounds hanging around a train station and so once those pills got into the media once those cases got into the media people killed them c.v.s. and reversing them and saying that actually this wasn't the correct to use all of those laws. we are expecting to see a number of protests this coming weekend against the law a group calling itself the u.k. freedom movement of released a number of flyers on social media inviting people to 60 protests across the country and they claim that the lockdown is unlawful of course according to the legislation it is illegal to gather in groups larger than 2 so for that reason the police say they will be at cracking down on any protests which take place across the region which it hit at 2 social distancing or locks groups there are some who
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claim that these protests to the far right there is no evidence currently to suggest that that is the case or that it is anything more than people who are have had enough of those lockdown measures now involves or had at the death figures coming in for that today and they show that across the united kingdom that in the most recent 24 hour period $384.00 people have sadly lost lives 'd that takes the total number to just under $34000.00 people who have died sadly in the united kingdom tested positive so cut it 91 since i think it's been said thank you for joining us. opposition under said to dr atran heels told me they are rate is a good measure for infection but it would be challenging to lift restrictions based on each region what we found is that our value is actually very significantly relates to the number of cases already in the population and it's interesting that
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the figures that you've quoted say they do in a very simple way bear that out and we know there's been a very significant number of cases in london that the proportional cases per 1000 people in london has been high and that they are value is actually now quite low and it's that we based this modeling on the differences between local authority areas and the fact that our values this transmission coefficients is different between different areas and also that the number of cases is different the or was at that time different between the different areas and then kind of extrapolated forward into figures for the whole of the u.k. into another study let's look at that are right also in london they're saying it's dropped to not point 4 so therefore do you think the prime minister should start lifting measures in areas where people are less likely to get infected. i assume a difficult one because you know in theory yes it's a great idea but we've already heard about the difficulties in policing the lock down as it is and restrictions as they are the notion that i sitting in manchester
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would have a different level of insult would have a different level of restriction to someone living in central london is maybe good in theory but actually making that work in practice is very hard and certainly in other parts of europe generally the restrictions have been lifted across the whole country realize in that city that hasn't been the case i think what we're saying in this study is that actually far more people than was actually thought may actually have had some exposure to the virus we certainly feel as physicians and i've spoken to general practitioners in the northwest that actually many people have had that what we call a mild dose of this virus or may not notice that they've had it and that's what we're picking up through the findings of this study. the home office rule change means british and irish citizens born in northern ireland will now be considered a z e u citizens when it comes to immigration it follows legal action taken by dairy woman
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emma to say is there after her american born husband was refused a residency card because she applied with her irish passport until the change that was born in northern ireland were considered legally british under u.k. immigration even if they considered themselves irish citizen was told she would have to renounce her british citizenship and reapply for her husband as an irish citizen which requires a faith the change finally brings into line a provision of the 998 good friday peace agreement which recognizes people's right to identify as irish british or both were discuss this i'm joined by the liberal case and the decision has self and the thank you for joining us you must be delighted with the home office decision what does it mean for you and your husband . thank you for having me absolutely we are delighted to get this concession from the british government after a 5 year legal challenge not only because personally this will affect your family but also because of all the other families in northern ireland that well nigh
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directly benefit from this change hearing that these families will no be reunited some that have been separated for up to 18 months comes as a huge relief for us it has been quite emotional to get the news i can imagine you've been back in the home office for 5 years as you say was it worth it. it was worth this to see the change come through and i whenever we look back over these past 5 years whenever we got married we never set out to find ourselves and snared in a 5 year constitutional test a really good friday agreement we were just starting our married life together but that's what we find ourselves in and we made a conscious decision a number of years ago that no other family should have to go through what we went through and we are delighted to see that change happen now so that no one in northern ireland will be forced or an expertise that isn't ship or a doctor citizenship in order to access the rights well these changes as i gather will only started or guess and last until the end of the rex a transition period to it which is at the end of the sheer isn't it well the fact that transition period for the e.u.
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settlement scheme which is the route they have opened up actually goes on to gen 2021 but you're quite right this is time limited and that's the disappointment that we have been that this is only a temporary arrangement but on one hand it is on par with all of the e.u. citizens in the united kingdom it will also be losing access to that right come june 2021 and it does for me open up a route to continue to get the government to go the extra mile when it comes to the good friday agreement because whilst this address is one aspect of our case there is still wider concern or compliance with the go to friday agreement and we intend to continue that challenge well the argument is on the other side that it all boil down to semantics though it wasn't supposed to be about getting your husband his status wasn't him. the application was always there by getting my husband to stay with me in the country the good friday agreement is an international peace treaty rest recognized at the u.n. and whenever we uncovered this legislative gap 5 years ago we discovered that the
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british government has never actually implemented the birthright provisions of the good friday agreement into domestic u.k. law and as a result continues to compare british citizenship automatically and all the people of northern aren't now it's worth noting that ireland did a man and it's nationality was after the good friday agreement whereas the u.k. has not so really there is a gap in legislation that we quite accidentally fell into whenever we apply for my husband's these are so whilst it was not our intention to go into a long running court case that's where we find ourselves the endgame has always been to stay together as a family without having to compromise who i am what i finally what do you plan to do now. we will be discussing with their legal team the next stage is over case and we'll be looking at how we can help families in northern ireland many people have already read once british citizenship in order to access rights i am of the view that those people are an answer is that ship was right having to do that they
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should never have had to do it in the 1st place so i think that i would like to see those people that have been forced or ninth's reclaim their citizenship if they would like it and on top of that i would like to further cement the good friday agreement birthright revisions to be accepted as irish. across all paper balls in practice in the united kingdom ever d'souza many thanks for joining us thank you thank you. and let's take a look now at how coronavirus is affecting the 4 nations of the u.k. and h.s. england has confirmed an additional $186.00 hospital deaths since the stay while the scottish 1st minister reported 46 deaths across or settings whilst reported 9 and northern ireland 15 well wales has published its locked down exit plan including proposals to introduce a traffic light system but no firm dates as yet a poll says over 2 thirds of scots have more confidence in the scottish government to contain the corona virus outbreak than westminster and garden and recycling
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centers are set to reopen in northern ireland on monday as the country begins to ease its lockdown now let's turn to the global figures on the pandemic according to johns hopkins university which collates worldwide data over 4400000 people have been infected more than 300000 people have died and over 1500000 africa covered. well schools across france started to reopen this week many parents remain divided on the issue citing concerns about the virus meanwhile french drug giant sanofi which is working on a covert 19 vaccine is facing pressure over which country will get priority it previously provided anger in france after saying it would give the u.s. 1st access and cases of children suffering from an unknown inflammatory disease have risen sharply around the world which is thought to be linked to corona virus. so to come as our charities warn the elderly are struggling for food here in the u.k. lockdown leading to
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a rise in the nutrition. of the parliamentary committee finds 1000000000 pound flaws in the u.k.'s nuclear weapons plant will be talking to a disarmament campaign up. is your media a reflection of reality. in a world transformed. what will make you feel safer. tyson nation or community. are you going the right way were you being
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there's a rise in numbers who don't have food or the necessary support to cook by themselves but has also been an unprecedented rise in calls to its advice line seeking help with stress and i desire see where i'm to poverty campaign and author a wolfish told me some people have been dealing with food shortages for up to 8 weeks. they're not just isolated but they're going hungry because they will ask for help many of them don't have internet or smart phones which makes our isolation even more tough to address and the process of getting food to people through the government is still not working the government admitted that the 1st 6 weeks of the food paul so initiative nobody got any food for the 1st 6 weeks and weeks 730000 deliveries to 1500000 were made last week the government 1000000 food parcels had been just delivered that meant by even the government's
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own figure a further 500000 pensioners and people the vulnerable and isolated are still waiting for food that's 8 weeks can you imagine how most households would cope with the food shortages for 8 weeks already got to be honest and looking also at the whole issue of food bank use as well it's also not just the elderly is it's also a food bank use is also thought to be up but is a case of there will be pressure off resources particularly food banks when everybody starts to get back to work when you make the situation easier well a week ago we all thought food banks we would occur in the groups would be winding down but in the past week we've had the crisis with the self employed where many of the self employed thought they would get their growth secluding myself i was self-employed writer and i charge to get on line my application for my grant this week and i was declined and the reacts so we're getting a whole new sway vote the self employed that been waiting 3 months for the great day in june when they would get this money from the government and it's not materializing like much of the other pledges much of the other money trees we've
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been promised. well in addition to those suffering from food poverty there also appears to be a stark divide between the haves and have nots when it comes to those returning to work after u.k. sharjah everest actually has this report this is what unlocking the lock down looks like a stone houses of brits head back to work in a bit to get britain moving again while the virus is still out there boris johnson the prime minister seems to believe it's safe enough to try and get the economy back on track we said that you should work from home if you can. only go to work if you must. we now need to stress that anyone who can't work from home for instance those in construction manufacturing should be actively encouraged to go to work from home when you can it's still the masses because the risk remains some can say higher than those in higher paid managerial roles in. the lower paid jobs that
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can't be done remotely and that's not something food is wonderful for the haves and another for the have nots logically speaking we're all in this together we know know best immunity but when you look at day to day. you know the facts of the disease how much we're exposed there's a greater risk so there is really no sense in which we're equal in the face of disease there is a choice in fearing if workers are afraid to go when they can stay at home but the company doesn't actually have to continue to follow them if the fan tells them to come in they either have to go into work of i don't get paid. it's not an option it's not i need you know i don't. think you know what the other option you know do you take the risk you know not what i'm. trying. because you have a lives but it's not an option it's not even something they think they need because
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they've got lung also ran their. children that needs the government advises avoiding public transport but follow up without cost there was no other choice on day one of the return london underground numbers up almost 10 percent on the very same time last week businesses have been given advice on how to be covert secured with social distancing its greens there simply no guarantees and to some working has continued throughout the crisis long before such measures were even considered scientists say the virus itself doesn't. everyone is at risk but the statistics tell a very different story working class men in low paid jobs are more likely to die of coronavirus than anyone else between the ages of 20 and 64 most at risk are security guards taxi and bus drivers charism chefs all of whom are encouraged to go back to work if they haven't already and they're up to 4 times as likely to die as
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middle class graduates working as lawyers teachers accountants and engineers so whoever can afford to stay warm stay secluded you know who can control their interaction with others will be you know less risk is really something that depends all. right some of us cannot they have all need to go to work and be still exposed to the wire so in that sense i think we're not equal and when it comes to returning to work parents who can't afford a child can also struggling probably schools were open back classrooms for around another 3 weeks and the government at the moment only says businesses should take this allowance it's a real concern for many people least childcare i want to quote a mother of a young child i pull a joyous but it's a little but it reflects the curse that lead members of this house live to get it she says this is boris certainly speech people are encouraged to go back to work
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meeting my partner as he works in construction my partner has explained to his boss this can happen because we've got no childcare you also run the nursery but then i put on my work as well but my boss is having none of it i hope i can get some advice made my partner has been so stressful. what advice would the promise to give while the government just plays college try to protect all who are in the early days of the virus when it comes to retirement while the virus itself might not discriminate the financial cost and the possible risks sadly does drive a wedge between the haves and the have not tried to address dusty r t u k 9. talk you know mistakes have been found in the british government's nuclear weapons plan resulting in years of delays and costing taxpayers over a 1000000000 pounds well the findings were made by the parliamentary public accounts committee it found the ministry of defense is contracting system on
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nuclear projects has led to added cost of over a $1000000000.00 the report also found delays of over 6 years to project completion across nuclear sites it comes as a separate report published by the international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons found a global nuclear spending was almost 60000000000 pounds last year while the u.k. made the top 3 in terms of biggest nuclear spending after the us and china the u.k.'s public accounts committee chair criticised the ministry of defense for failing to take action on the overspend. to utterly fail to learn from mistakes over decades to spectacularly repeat the same mistakes at a huge cost to the taxpayer and at a huge cost to confidence in our defense capabilities is completely unacceptable the department knows it can't go on like this it knows it must change and operate differently. well for more on this alleged killing by the chair of the s.n.p. as campaign thing you can to sell a pill around say bill thank you for joining us is it
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a case that these projects have always i've spent i mean it's not unique in the defense industry is it well far from it i mean there are there are 2 issues one from each report who are related am in terms of the i can report the international report the quoted a the issue there is were government considers a priority. to give an example in the i can report the point so than 2000 and 'd 19 u.k. government spent 8900000000 on nuclear weapons yet the king's fund a which is an organization which sent expenditure in any chance sure the government and 7100000000 on it yes equipment and build buildings was more money spent all in all grading the nuclear weapons a system than or in buildings and equipment for the n.h.s. and in the 1st quarter of last year of course i see who will get through in europe today in an economic crisis since the 2nd one is about how the money spent so badly
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i'll use an analogy it's supplied a knowledge is what someone who buys a business from the present only buys or comes from a business and they find out of the fault and if they know not only that they get delivered late and not only that anybody could don't they break their own often and when you're going to refill repeal a takes. longer to get and libya and in top of all of that you're sticking with the same do. caligula and you feign don't you know coming to as a brother of the do it you car dealers are you on. your are and as of course reality i mean the incompetence of the. last couple of the military industrial complex but they are 2 very security is the other provided the news graphic street fighter jet that 7 does the government that needs
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to be more transparent and it's also look at the fact that as as it is a case of we are one of the top nuclear power is an upgrade it is a long time i've chosen it you know how good it is not a long tail of a jew am i always lay actually n.p. this question national party feel there is no need for a scotland got you into indeed there is no need for the united kingdom to have it down you clear weapons it brings nothing to the table in terms of you have defense and security i'm a bit of the. the u.k. always like independence even as a u.k. citizen a operating the nuclear weapons as a as a waste of money which generally get rid of them bomb gating them and not course as it's a waste of money and in a safe consider the sums involved consider the needs of the real human security needs all of the public a are the moment and can send up with some spent on you could weapons it's it's
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a recent money about what would you spending us as you know the argument on defense would leave the u.k. more vulnerable to future threats because other people are still spending on head to fence and they know it a day and it wouldn't actually am if you look at a they had the defense that the city supports a government that its community kingdom was in 2015 there was a there was a doctor published by the ministry of defense and it listed for threats on the force one which terrorism and relates it as and then the 2nd one which supported that answer is sergeant powers are supposedly the russians and chinese and there were there were 2 others leslie as well and there they had already gotten 2 more crime which i go in and the very bottom was able to believe it busines i owned a and dealing with any disease and even the cygnus report so i didn't cygnus exercise it was conducted by the any chance point you don't that there were gaps in
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needed to be to film so even if you take the government and its wind in terms of it's all in such a things to set tradings are meant to be we'd call it a formulation one of them was a deal with newsies prevention and control and not was signally failed even after the evidence that the structure when working so not only can't we can't even spend the money properly on what we want to do to office we should be spending the money on nuclear weapons and 4th wait around the many thanks for joining us thank you. a more news in just over half an hour including the u.k. government staley coronavirus press briefing ago. alan.
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