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major migration crisis, why you guys are waiting, make up around 10 percent of asylum seekers. the 2nd largest group off the syrian and for a continent still scarred by the migration crisis of 56 years ago there was a feeling of deja vu, a feeling of having been they before. that has your opinions worried. they might be on the verge of fish refugee crisis. those people who are here from a gun is time. they are not my they're a few g, 's and asylum seeker. and that is why it is very important to remember that our best in countries have signed humor right? convention, a few convention. and they are duty bound to has anyone, not only of guns, but syrians are anybody who come to the, to their country, and as far as them, because you are in the country, are any conflict personnel tech to,
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to the life. so i think than the western countries say, oh, we don't care if a one or if you just go home or you for them. i think this is a violation of human rights and we should do that kind of thing. more regional reaction. now let's talk to cyber hammond veranda is a politic professor at tech university. professor miranda, welcome back to r t. what's the view from where you are? then, how's the iranian leadership view and what's happening in its neighbor? iranians believe that these this region has been destroyed by the united states and b 19 mate, 970 is the 1980 is the united states created the taliban along with the saudis and their european allies. then they also created out al qaeda group as well. after
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$911.00, they went and attacked us on the sun and they were brutal. they constantly bombed ordinary people. 90 percent of the casualties from drawn strikes. according to some numbers were all civilians over the last 2 years, the hatred towards the united states increased as time went by. and the united states, the same thing and syria, they wasted dirty war and the country using the very same extremist groups. they use them and they look at maybe look at syria in yemen with the saudis, they've destruct, they've destroyed so much of the country creating hunger. and of course, iraq, one day, the support saddam hussein, they give him chemical weapons to use the military intelligence to use the political cover to get away from it to get away with it. and then they invade the country and, and destroy iraq as well. so this is a pattern and now the americans have been humiliated. i think the human nation is
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greater than vietnam. because in vietnam, rival powers were fun being north vietnam and b at time. but enough fun assigned that you just see a few groups with on motorcycles, with clashing costs and weapons. and they've human humiliated a superpower that has spent trillions of dollars in the country and, and wasted so many so much money of the assets of the american people for the imperial war. that nothing ultimately. what about the wealth, the african citizens who are left behind the taliban is now in control and everything but the capital that's going to happen in the next few hours. we're pretty sure about fast. and although we've been hearing from a number of people in cobble that the taliban is changed, it's not as severe as it. once was at the end of the last century. few people are
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really buying that though. but if one country is in a position to be able to maybe influence the taliban to ensure the welfare of civilians, it's around what they're going to do. well, that is a major problem in iran, the iranians are trying to coordinate with other neighboring countries, especially to the north about on the sun, as well as asian powers. to make sure that the extreme and don't control the whole of the country. and that the majority of the country is not marginalized. we have to remember that there is no majority, and i found this on this holla on this mostly as soon. and there are others like the tide seeks that has as it goes, backs and other minorities that combined actually make a majority. so the taliban has to be both through political walk ration among major asian powers and central asian countries. they must be convinced to
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be more inclusive and to put aside their more extreme, the more extreme elements of their ideology. but we have to remember this, this ideology came from saudi arabia, the americans and the saudis, created this. what hob ism the palace system that has destroyed the fabric of so much of west asian society. so there has to be a constant push to make sure that solomon is moves moves further away from it and pass extremism. i'm glad you mentioned all those various elements because when everybody mentions just the term tell about it's such an overarching tab, but it's significantly more complex structure than that. so you've just been outlining. so how possible is it really to make sure that those moderate elements remain in control of afghanistan for the sake of the people who live there rather than being overtaken again by those rogue elements. and that brutal for maria law that they imposed so viciously 20 years ago.
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well that is going to be a major problem on the one hand, the taliban is divided. it is fractured, they're more extreme elements. the mess extreme elements on the one hand. on the other hand, there are the different minorities the taliban is going to need. international recognition is going to need the cooperation of the neighboring countries to get the economy moving. if they don't have that unrest will gradually increase. and of course neighboring countries all have an interest in preventing extremism from becoming complete. the dominant it's, it's a threat to central asian security and thus rush and secure the chinese from security iranian security. so, these countries together, after so keep cooperating, beth increased their cooperation with each other and they have to, you pressure the taller on through different, different means. and they also have to,
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i would assume support. the more moderate factions within a month to weaken the more extreme factions. and also there has to be an effort to prevent money from coming from the persian gulf. because these are just like isis and arcadia were supported by reactionary regimes in the persian gulf. in the past, the taliban and archived in on, in pakistan were supported by these reactionary regime. so there has to be a major power agent powers in particular, have to be careful not to allow these, these regimes to keep funding these groups. and especially it's dangerous because now that the americans have left, it's quite possible with americans would like to see chaos in order to we can asian powers. the americans said that before the whole rise of the tyler bond was an american western. so the project to create chaos in this region,
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and they could do it again. but of course in the united states as the decline, it's going to be more difficult asian powers on the rise. and also, i think china, iran, russia, and others must push those pockets on away from supporting the more extreme elements within the taller how does the stabilize task, understand effects things regionally them because i've kind of sounds neighbors are more stable and wealthier. how does that the stabilize, what's happening across the region? well, when, as the global economy, the theory, as we see the corona virus making life more difficult across the board, then more people are disenfranchised without jobs. and that, that, that came back can create an opening for these extreme. of course we asked to keep in mind that the central asian countries today, they are more stable than they were 2030 years ago after the collapse of the soviet
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union. so them better equipped to deal with their and protect their borders. iran is much stronger russia, china, these are all much stronger countries than before. india as an interest in its own way to prevent the rise of extremism and the united states is, as i said earlier on the, on the decline. so be capabilities to contain to call upon are greater than before the taliban. as you pointed out in the eyes of many has changed. they've become more pragmatic. although the ideology hasn't changed that much. and that may be that may created an opening to push the taliban further away from this extremist and also extremism. and also the minorities, as i said, it's all about doesn't and they have to succeed otherwise as the minorities or other minorities because the passion of on or not the majority,
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they will become more angry. and so, but the taliban is not exactly in an ideal situation right now. there are, there are you for it. but after a period of time they're going to have to run the country. and that is going to be increasingly difficult if they don't have the cooperation of, of asian countries surrounding the local to us not alliance, high tailing it out. right now as we speak, the world can just sit by and let this happen. and i'll just sit by helpless, you mentioned about countries working to get together for afghanistan, future, but even just regionally, there's half a dozen disparate interests going on there before you even extend the radius beyond oceans. how are these countries going to work together to help us understand after all it's been for while except for pockets on none of the countries in the region are happy with the taller bonds. many are very happy to see the u. s. fleet. that is, without a doubt,
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the iranians are very happy to see the americans go. the american presence enough on the sand has been nothing but a great minutes for the whole, for the region as a whole. and in fact, that's their occupation of our on the sun and their brutality and fun fun and their support for crop leaders that has led to the rise of the taller bond. again, the american created the taliban in the 1st place and there they are. mismanagement in food talent in the country has led to the re emergence of the taller pop, but but neighboring countries do have an interest in preventing extremism. while how business fell. f s m x 40 from saudi arabia, among other countries. they have an interest in preventing this from rising. and as i said, the countries are stronger today than they were before us. i'm. i'm not pessimistic, but we have to be very cautious about the taliban and their intentions. and especially when we asked to be cautious about those why have you received that have traditionally funded it on and the intentions of the united states. but the
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southern withdraw, us forces cannot be benign if americans had withdrawn. gradually, their regime wouldn't have collapsed in this way. and in the eyes of many of the americans intentionally did that because they decided that since they can't have a bond on them, it might as well be chaos. what about the people left inside afghanistan? we have been talking to people in various parts of the country over the past few days and they've been explaining to us what it's like on the ground there, but i have picked up in recent days. if not, i was speaking. we hope candidly, but it feels like with a certain degree of reticence. so you in touch with anybody and cobble or beyond. are they telling you what it's like that right now. while there it differs in different parts of our fun. some people in pockets on and friends were in contact with people a sorry people in our fun, fun and friends who are in contact with people enough on the phone saying that the
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behavior of the taliban, so far as it is different from what it was 2030 years ago, but it also differs in different areas in our, on a some, but since it's all of on hasn't fully established itself yet. if it's unclear, if it is going to be a pattern, that is the thing. so we have to see what was the taliban is in charge. are they going to continue to be a bit different from 2030 years ago? are they going to go back to what we thought so far? there are some very worrying fines about women, chilled girls going to school universities and the workplace. that's a very worrying fine. there are some who are moving towards the iranian border. iran has huge numbers of refugees from are on the sun and the fear that there will be much more the iran is also believe that the americans are and their, and their job and their people. and i found this on trying to provoke tension and
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violence between iran and the color bond. but the iranian policy is to try to bring the taliban and the other political parties and the different minorities together or to, to create a solution. and the iranians are not going to fall into the fact that the, that it and tag in this are fighting for it. okay. and in your expert opinion, because you've looked into this far more than many others. do you think the taliban has changed enough? because one suspects that in cobble things might maintain the life that it's roughly had over the past few years. but that might not be the case in the more remote regions, as you were alluding to some of those civil rights that have been brought in in recent years, being wound back and some of that brutal sugary law re emerging in your expert opinion. how much is the taliban change? how long will it hold out for while the while
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hobby chevy, a law is very different from mainstream as far mac or satellite, the chevy laws, very different from mainstream it's bomb a lot. it's. it's very brutal. and the have connie faction in the taliban is particularly food all among the follow up on. so as you rightly points out at different, different parts of the country, there's a deep divide in iran over this issues. some say that the taller on the chain, some say that it has not changed at all in some believe that it's somewhere in the middle. but there is a consensus in iran that we should not we should not allow violence to spread. we should not allow a civil war to happen in our funding. we should have neighboring countries, asian countries cooperate more closely with each other and to encourage and pressure the hollow bond into behaving or be becoming more inclusive and mastic stream. and also, pressure should be put on the pockets on the intelligence i as i move away from
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the funding or funding from these dictatorships and approach involved. and to the also feel for the follow up on to behave differently from what we saw in the past. so there are mechanisms both through encouragement and otherwise to, to put pressure on the taliban. but there has to be regional cooperation. and i think it's now under estimation to say that it could go in any direction as things stand this sunday afternoon. really appreciate you spending all this time sharing your expertise on this politics. professor site, i haven't mirandi. thank you. ok, well earlier this hour i spoke to an ask on journalist about the situation right now in cobble this morning when i ran to the city, i saw the people complete disappointed. everyone is rushing from one side of call
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to other side of the people are rushing to the machine that you're going to the back of the face of the call will be changed at the public. told me that we face in the morning. you want to look fresh, but no one hour before. when i went out to the t t, i started, you know, quite a lot of military troops are going around the city we are hearing the military. alec looked, us are trying to tie off the call was to be on according to information that we got from different sources in the district. people are a people few to talk about in this area, thought of and has plans in the district. they are speaking with the people, but the people are saying that the tunnel is, are the top of the heavier very good. you're not that much aggressive has their head about then we got analysis a little earlier from a former senior british police officer and reservists army officer who worked in
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afghanistan as a security advisor. kevin hurley told us it was clear, this situation was coming. 11 problem with the group government employees that they are the will not all wary all telling truth to power. and of course, because the politicians had no real plan and he called a god blunt about a number of generals like chain, the mentor of we are doing. they wouldn't listen to the majors left and colonels the company come out and us on the ground or blue collar worker. police advice like they have. what do i know? i may have been in charge of thousands of police, but i know nothing about subsequently thinks the west, but the rest of the world were not prepared to deal with the issues of trying to impose a corrupt government on a country where many of the people did not support the government and then more cultured. now understanding the subtleties of the tribes that guns don?
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yes. you can bomb and you can fix taliban leadership or the insurgency or i s chi. but you will not stop the night too. i'm coming back into the villages and towns. okay, something we haven't shown you for a while. it's a fixed position camera that we've got on the latest, on the telephone advance in afghanistan, we've got a camera shots that we think it's in the diplomatic water. in cobble from what we can see in the distance there is smoke rising, the source of that smoke, we do not know. and although you can see very much in the capital right now, i can tell you that there are significant traffic jams as resident try to leave the afghan capital. a number of people have even abandoned their cars in order to try and leave before the taliban makes 6 way in a moment. there at the city outskirts and have said and pledged that they won't be making their way in. at the moment, the rhetoric taking place of the presidential palace between what's left of
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president colonies, government and the taliban leadership in order to ensure a smooth and peaceful transition of power. it's all happened very swiftly. mercifully it's happened with mostly no loss of life throughout the country. the militant group right now though, has surrounded the capital. cobble fight is poised on the outskirts of the city. as those talks take place, the taliban claim the fight is wont to enter the city until those talks completed. meanwhile, conflicting reports on the countries present as to whether ash i've gone a has resigned. there are also report to me there's on getting emergency talks between the president, the united states and nato. this is what's going on on the streets of the capital right now. as we've been saying, people are fleeing their homes. they're uncertain about what's going to happen next . they've been assured that the taliban leadership won't take a strict role with them once they finally take over and cobbled. but they don't
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seem to be necessarily taking that on board to taliban effectively and control of every major city and region in the country off the rapid and decisive offensive. they also reportedly control the board posts in the country. we heard from someone in cobb a little bit earlier on telling us how people are being q and get a t m machines trying to get hold of that catch fairing. what's gonna happen next, whether they lose that home is whether they'll be in economic collapse. they don't know what's going to happen next. the only way in and out of the capital right now is through the apple, but there's very limited traffic that of course, let's be honest. the people who are going to be able to get it on out by of those with contracts, the middle classes, everyone else is now stuck in cobble. they can get in and they can't get out of the developments in the past couple of hours. the bag room add bass has been abandoned and taken over by the town about a massive facility that was hastily founded by the us military and early to live without any notification inside there. of course,
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thousands of taliban fighters and also islamic state terrorists were held in prison . we still were, i'm verified video a little bit earlier on this our showing some of those 5000 prisoners being set free. this is arthur international are rolling coverage of the fall of the afghanistan to the taliban, which is happened so fast and with such ease will update you at the top of the hour with the latest from inside cobble. i'm reaction from around the world life for moscow. i'm calling bray. this is r t the the ah,
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the lie from r t. breaking news to sunday telson. panic in the off gun capital that the taliban procedures cobble with residents now fleeing the city on mass. as i've kind of thought to try to secure a peace deal with the taliban leadership group older, it's fighters not to enter the capital just yet. but the interior minutes pledging a peaceful transfer of power to a transitional government. the islamist resurgence escalated immediately after april announcements by the us president, the american troops would withdraw. meaning that 2 decades of washington pushed the country into war, the pentagon and quit leaving desperate citizens face to face with the militants. once again the.

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