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ah hello and welcome to cross top. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. europe finds itself in a quandary is determined to punish russia for its military operation in ukraine. it's favored policy. instrument is of course, sanctions of all sorts. but alas, it's not so simple. sanctions and gender counter sanctions. this translates into economic pain. for europe, ah, crossing europe sate, i'm joined by my guess adrenal can santa in london. he is founder of a k consulting and a foreign affairs analyst in paris. we have rachel marston. she is a political columnist and coast of unpredicted with rachel marston, and in prague we crossed to bred blankenship. he is a columnist at c g t n,
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a freelance reporter for ocean. why? as well as an rti contributor or a crosswalk rules and a fact that means he can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate rachel, let me go to you 1st and paris. one of my favorite phrases over the years has been the law of unintended consequences. now, with the fervor of almost like a crusade, europe's intend to punish russia for its operations in ukraine are beginning to serve counterproductive. ends here. i mean, particularly in the area of energy and as much as nato in the u. e. you want to talk about unity. the more they talk about sanctions, the less unity there is. go ahead. rachel? yeah, it would be interesting. it's french for the him. and here in my home faces in the next few days, at least the 1st round of the campaign and he's in a tight race right now against and then from the far right. and he's facing a real problem because he flatter the said several times that nato is brain dead.
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that need moved to new missions that nieto cannot just focus on russia. and yeah, absolutely nothing, not only to re orient things in that sense, but also to stop the proxy war, which is essentially what we're seeing right now when you create it, nato versus russia using ukraine as possible. and even then the home was doing a lot of shuttle diplomacy between moscow in the us fire to all this popping off in february. yep. and all you really had to do was just say frank isn't getting involved in this. we're not sending ukraine, we're not getting involved in this. hey, if us has a problem with russia, it's for you guys to deal with by that it probably would be actually in the situation. instead, what he's doing now is trying to play both sides with court from middle as you'd
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like to say, he's saying on one side, look, i'm trying to say go in position for europe, the best for europe. that's best for the people and friends at the same time saying, well look, where was the united states? where was nato? when were united way should have done is adopted, the position that he sees himself as representing although he doesn't and that is the position a former french president shuffled a gun general from world war 2, who basically pulled brands out of nato command. and the french stayed outside of nieto hill. nicholas are cozy in rachel. the reason why micro didn't do it because he has no courage. that's his problem. ok. he can talk all he was, but he didn't have any. great. i'm glad rachel brought this up because i was going to go to this here. let me go to address on this here. mac chrome defends dialogue with russia. continuing, cox with moscow can build quote, a new architecture of peas. well, where were you?
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in december, january, february, when the russians were talking about a new architecture for security in europe, a girl, this is laughable history is going to laugh at this man. adrian, go ahead and i'm not quite sure where the history will laugh at this. if we understand how the politics in europe are governed, we need to bear in mind that this politicians told no whole, no power when it comes to the internal decisions within the european politics. i mean, the real decision makers in washington d. c. and this has been said already 1927 by a famous french put po valerie, that europe is currently governed by, by the united states. and these, these, these are the effects of, of being covered and being a lot sovereign entity. so obviously i'm on my home is trying
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to portray him so as a war time leader. and he's trying to get the best of both worlds, you know, playing as a mediator between the west and president. what he may put in the same time, he's contradicting his own internal and foreign policy by leaning towards being instead of having a euro european security autonomy. i would say i would call it a european security dependence on the united states. and what i would like to say is stuff is quite significant to bear in mind that what is happening in europe is a repercussion of, of, of the united states strategy to somehow put in place the offshore balance. a strategy here in europe to somehow engage a russia in fighting or we can call it
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a military mission to denies of fi. now ukraine, but at the same time on tuesday, for the executive of, of nato. just sultan burke set up and now, and nato is looking towards asia in order to have, you know, have a closer ties in, with, with, with asian partners. so in my understanding is that they are trying to offshore balance the power that is russia here in europe. while at the same time the united states can concentrate off, somehow containing, as they say, a china in, in asia. but it is a self defeating a strategy because you can't, you know, fight to main eurasian powers of the same time we shall see. but in my opinion, it, this will lead to a massive tragedy yet. well, in the way i look at it, brad number one, since we've brought up a crown,
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i hope he's defeated in his presidential reelection bid because he's a coward. and for very reason, reasons i do have already heard here. and number 2, nato should just close shop because it can't keep the peace. all it does is bring war. let's go talk about the law of an unintended consequences. i mean, a year living in europe. i mean, it, do people understand the rep with the repercussions of what's going to happen to the economy when you attack a g 20 country like russia, particularly in the area of energy. and you know, the over dependence on russia? well, they're looking for dependency on, on the, on the u. s. and it's going to be very, very expensive. go ahead brand, you know, that's exactly right. i don't think anybody here understands that i'm in here in the czech republic. i, what i've noticed of this conflict is, is how much necessarily be the national identity of the former warsaw pact, countries that are now members of the european union is like necessarily based on anti russia in which they attached to their socialist pass. and it's almost like
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these voices were elevated and amplified by the united states after the ball, the berlin wall. and after the revolutions against communism, here in eastern europe to stand against russia and to prop up nato and lead world order. people are so rabbit, in their, in a rush, isn't here that they don't realize that their houses are being heated by russian guy. i mean, as i'm sitting here in my apartment now talking to you, i'm in a pretty comfortable environment here, heated by russia. we have a majority of our energy of our liquefied natural natural gas in the czech republic from russia. and to me, this idea that we can de globalize russia, which is the term i'm seeing use more now. this attempt to de globalize, russia will have an antenna consequences when i'm noticing it also as well. people don't realize that, for example, russia is the largest exporter of mineral, natural mineral. ready like the food for animal fertilizer,
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a fertilizer to leisure. yeah. right. mineral pro analyzer. so we're going to see even more food inflation around the world. the entire african continent is based it's we imports from russia. this will be mass starvation in africa. if you know these countries in the west are selling after you need to have a response to the war in ukraine, ok, if that happens, everybody in africa is going to start to get, it will be mass destitution. and people don't understand this that when, when it shows up about low. hi, brad, it's ago. this was brad left that we should point out to the, you know, iraq is iraq, afghanistan. so i began to send libby as libya. and though that how did that impact western lifestyles? not very much because they are very far away. but this is going to happen in the heart of europe. this is what people don't understand. rachel, let me go to you. you're very well aware of the concept of ca cancel, come a cancel culture. now we're doing it to a major country, me in every way, financially, economically, socially, historically, musically,
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any way you want to do it. this is an amazing exercise of virtue signaling. go ahead. rachel, yeah, well, it is a virtue signaling, but we've been in that kind of logic going back to years now. i mean we fight with the cobra crisis, not get back into all. but i mean, we saw or dealing with respect to that. it was totally disconnected from scientific reality. we're seeing that now. people who probably can't even point pointing ukraine or russia on a map, even though you could probably do the one end with the dark suddenly they've gone from being health expert online to being the back dresser ukraine relation and been paying attention to a thing that's been going on a lot of 20 years. i mean, i remember when i was living in toronto, canada back in around 20034. there was a toronto baby international,
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political consulting to approach economic james political consulting work at the time. and he said, would you be interested in working on the ukraine campaign for why would anybody be interested in working on ukraine campaign, but all right, it was in the works already. there isn't an intent to try to write to come here, i guess rearrange things or to, to move ukraine into the north american column. and that's already been underway for for decades now. so i mean, this is not a new issue, but yet people have an opinion, a very strong opinion about and even though to them, it's just something that, that just happened like magic for no reason on february 24th. and yeah, so, so camera culture is really, is really nothing new. i mean, i had a independent show that was licensed to split nick france. and for 6 years, i did that show and then suddenly from one day to the next,
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that's gone because the european union just unilaterally, without going through any regulatory body. that's right. in the individual members face rates i rent, i have to jump in here. way to get what we have to go to a short break in europe. that the right, the due process of law seems to be disappearing. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on europe's fate state with our team. ah, ah. who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions. today, russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing. i figure which of the willingness to call soon as you speak on the bill in your senior,
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mostly mine the wish you were banding all imports of russian oil and gas news. i know they plenty of those with regard to joe by imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang. ah, ah, well, can i to cross stock where all things are considered? i'm peter a bell to remind you we're discussing the fate of europe. ah, let's go back to a drill in london a. rachel brought up a very good point at the end of the 1st part of the program. so it will tell me in rough terms here, what you're living in london. so what did people actually know about ukraine before february 24th. and what did they know about it? now?
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go ahead. well, well, they know the same on so they will know in 2014 or 2013, i have to, you know, you have to bear in mind that in 2014 i went to, i was sent by the house of laws to, to do the report and also in 2015, i published a report on the sanctions on russia where we clearly stated in the report that the sanctioning board bratia will backfire because functions are not a free meal. and also it will accelerate russia shifting towards global south all towards east. it's already in 2015 already. i had a discussions with briggs countries and especially with china day sign a significant deal concerning gas. and this was perceived by, by research as contributing to the report that i'm mentioning to a threat to,
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to the west. but no one has listened to that, although it was published by the center for the policy studies and came back. it was this cause of the house of lords, but people were ridiculous that because people are still seeing russia through the western lances, they perceive russia as a country and capable to, to stand on its own. and the very fact that russia is perceived by, by the western, as, as, you know, standing on its own and, and as i broadly mentioned, to somehow the west will be able to the couple russia from the world. it's only approve west and particularly they, they see or perceive, well as the west, they don't see the world as india, south africa, brazil, and china. they don't comprehend the fact that russia has
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a lot of friends around the world, and the spence happened to be very powerful and emerging poets. while in europe we, the europe is a decadent country. we have a problem with a population. people in countries are the populated, especially italy. we dependent heavily on russia and on the united states where the united states promise quite written. the true jo biden's lips that they will somehow sufis the gas limits or gust reduced by seizing ah tropicals of gas from russia. but people were paying close attention and who on the stand, the political economy of energy. and though that this is impossible, even because i really just said a europe will be unable to find a feel for that. what we've seen here, you know,
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we know it seizing of yachts. i suppose that makes your put safer place on these deals. that ones yard without any kind of due process here. you know, i guess these are western standards that the world needs to realize. i mean, europe was heavily hit by the log downs of through the pandemic, and not of now through seizing and peer a tearing, especially u. k. they are trying to make up the numbers, so they are stealing. i mean, but let me, let me go to brad here. let me go to brad here in prague. i mean, you know, all this virtue signaling, i mean, how does it actually help the average citizen of the e u. i'm really mystified by this. i'm glad that with the lock downs were mentioned . i mean, we had a lot of economic this location. now we have even more here and the people that spout off about at the most or the elite and they don't suffer at all from these things at all. okay, they are more disconnected from their, their citizens than ever before. go ahead. bred it's right. i think that, of course, the sanctions against russia are just going to compound all the inflationary
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pressures right now that are seeing the greatest assertion, inflation in 5060 years. that it's disproportionately a hurting average people. and you hear so much from people like joe biden or other western leaders that oh well we have the courage, we're willing, we're able to, to make this sacrifice. when were they talking about, you know, talking about themselves, are they talking about the billionaires that on the campaign? these people are completely insulated from all the economic damage that these things are bringing. average people will suffer, as i mentioned, with the example of natural gas here in europe. if they decide to unplug natural gas in europe, that will be absolutely devastating. people's rents going to go up, utilities will go up. probably 2 or 3 times. i mean, it will be ridiculous, an idea that the american can substitute russian national liquefied natural gas is absurd. and the whole thing about globalization, it's about reducing, reducing friction. that is the barriers, people, services and goods,
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and adding it just as giant, essentially a wall between russia and europe, which is an extra part of europe politically, economically. and then saying, okay, we're going to do more business with this country because the atlantic, this is, this is counter logical to the idea of globalization itself. and i just don't see that it can be done and impossible globalize rachel, rachel, you live in paris? i mean, i'm sure the average per reason is just waiting with baited breath for refugees from ukraine to come or correct me if i'm wrong. i just heard today that apparently spaces in daycares will be free of charge for ukrainian refugees. and suddenly there's a lot of french people who are turned very right away as result of measures like that, that they can't understand when we're offering homes, as generous as it is for the state to do that, to refugees. when there are french people living in the street,
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it's hard to explain to french people why that is the case. and one thing that is really interesting that i'm noticing, i don't know anybody else is, has ascertain this as well. but there seems to be a narrative coming from the top down from elite within each country. they all seem to be seen from the same hymn book on this issue. and that is that under the pretext of this conflict, it is necessary mandatory for the average citizen of europe and perhaps other western countries to pay the same, but expect much less. yeah. and that goes to the energy issue. and i think i don't like where this is going, i don't know what condition in us to accept which is increasingly left for the same price and who, when they do well with rachel, rachel. i like to say to all of you, but it's all worth it because it's ukraine's democracy. i drill. does anybody in
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europe have a clue about what the state of democracy is in, in ukraine? i do. i've been watching it closely for years. there isn't much there, but we're told otherwise. go ahead in london. this is about, this is about the ideology. people don't, don't understand until this high prices will not hit them and they will not be able to, to pay for the artillery bills. they will not be able to afford the fancy attorney to fancy restaurants before that they used to like, so obviously as rachel, right. me said, this is the tax being put on the average citizens of you know, for that they are paying this tactful ukraine's freedom. but really and truly this will have a massive shift within the societies in the west. the people who are generally speaking, the liberal progressive, they will turn radical and, and, and right,
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because these are the repercussions of the new liberal policy. and some people are just, you know, fed up with the thing that the, so far as i've mentioned during the pandemic that you know livelihoods. but you know, a significantly diminished. and now we are having this wall, which could have been prevented in the 1st place. if, if, if someone would really strike the deal with russia in good faith regarding the means agreements and, and telling the. busy busy which is now known to everyone. president junior said him, so they told him that ukraine will not be admitted to nato, but in the public they will still, you know, push this and rated that there's a certain possibility of you being admitted. so someone is just clearly making a very big chunk out of a huge populations in the west, especially here in europe. so it will backfire, it will backfire?
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well, it is, it's back finding already, you know, written bread. and this all explains, this whole program explains the fact that why london and the u. s. is not pushing for some kind of negotiated end to this conflict. they actually want to keep it going on for all the reasons that all 3 of you have said on this program. go ahead brad. well, that's right. i mean, 1st of all there's, there's internal mechanisms we know in place like the military industrial complex. the fact that most members of congress are invested in that the keep the, with the war drums beating to keep it all going and also benefits the united states politically. because it creates more dependence on the united states, both for you know, natural resources, but also other economic things where russia could get cut out with. but i also, i just want to say your, that, you know, and whatnot. i guess we're, we're talking about about, you know, people coming in excepting refugees from ukraine with open arms. i give it here in the czech republic. i give it like 6 months. i get it 6 months between a, we love ukrainian studio. this come to the earth again because before the war,
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that's how they were treated here. they were treated a 2nd class citizens and that will happen again very soon. well, brad, you know, i'm glad someone else said it so i can say it now. i lived in poland for 10 years. the sentiment is pretty much the same there. ok. the, i'm sorry. okay. that's why this is all such a fiction. okay. rachel, we're rapidly running out of time here. what comes next? i mean, what, what, how is anything the west helping ukraine because i've said ever since the, the co in 2014, the more the west helps ukraine. the more the smaller ukraine gets. go ahead. rachel. well, we'll see the tolerances of people living in the west and granted there is a buffer on the atlantic ocean to prevent the or the ins and everybody over there from feeling the pinch like we are here in europe, but we'll see how hard your alright, i have to germany, we're almost out of time. we're almost out of time if you will give me,
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give me 15 seconds. go ahead. jump in. ah, well, as rachel was saying, but i couldn't hear very well. but yes, i think that the people will not be tolerant. i mean, and now we are seeing, you know, this enters. yeah. awesome. because this is a new thing, you know, as same as my squaring and i recovered jobs. but all of a sudden a same as you've said about poland. i mean about poland. people will soon realize that this is unfair. and. busy once they're, you know, the increase in payments for, for the utility bills and day alex life expectancy will i will kick in. they will realize that they've been treated unfairly because someone from the ukraine is being given something for free and you are supposed to be paying for of them. okay, well i have a 10 minute wait run out of time, but the law of unintended consequences is definitely in play here. many thanks and i guess in london, paris in prague and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at
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