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ah. hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . the group of 7 has vowed not to lead putin when his war against ukraine, as the announced new restrictive measures. but what about the officially enforced narrative claiming ukraine is winning? the wes attempt to weaken russia have failed? in fact, the west is weakening itself. ah . raw, sucking the situation in ukraine. i'm joined by my guest, george samuel in budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals in munich. we
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have bra, ralph niemeyer. he is a leader of a german resistance movement. and in st. petersburg across to gilbert doctorow. he is an independent political analyst and author of memoirs of an ex pat manager in moscow during the 1990. sorry, gentleman cross stock rolls. in fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate george. let me go to you 1st. here are the g 7 is up to it. it's act again. here is if anybody really cares what the g 7 says, nora, but nonetheless, they have vowed that potent will not win his war against you. great. but what, what does that mean? what are they going to do about it, okay. other than inflict more misery on their own consumers and voters, go ahead, george. well, that's exactly right back all them they have that disposal which is to if they can misery on the ukrainians and of course on their own alexis and when, victim or band said the other day that an oily margot completely cutting off from oil imports from russia will be releasing a nuclear bomb on the gear with
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a man or will speaking not just one gear ends, but for many europeans. this is an absolutely nonsensical idea of cutting yourself from energy invoice. again, because the destruction of your own a column is and it's quite clear that there was no ready means at the european disposal to replace russian oil replace russian get. so all of it is just simply call the e u m. in order to look on the line was supposed to be the chief executive of the human. she's the president of the european emission. she has no enforcement mechanism. she got pools european to do one thing or another. she can talk along and out. but ultimately you're going to have to decide, are they going to stop or they freeze. i was just going to bring their economists the whole or are they just going to live their lives and then are going to follow
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the big we're still on the line and the european emission and actually ukrainian, well, no one really cares very much about that. i mean, they just didn't count as part of the us, the nato agenda. well, i'm glad you brought that up gilbert. i mean, all of the russia now, it's the most sanction country ever. okay. how does that help you? craniums at all? go ahead and st. petersburg, it doesn't any way. it's a curious thing that western's analysts have spoken about the their, their appreciation of russia's military effort. up till now. they say that is proven, rushes weakens. that's quite extraordinary because the, the russian effort has captured a territory about the size of the united kingdom since the start of the, of the special military operation. it's also bears mention that russia is certainly the only country on earth. with the perhaps exception of china,
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which is able to withstand the sanctions from hill with united states and its allies, that we would have delivered, less often overlooked. so russia is proving itself to be strong in remarkable waste . and in ways that no one in europe could equal. and that very fact as to the hostility, the envy of european countries and their leaders with respect to russia. so it's been paradoxical. the russia strength sheets to these are these vicious, are information war efforts by europeans, amber united states to compensate for their real loss of ground in the competition of russian. ralph, let me go to you and munich, m. o. many of us would have expected, the germans would play a much more prominent role instead of just being subservient to washington. because germany is, has the most to lose and is losing the most. i would say, i mean,
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i've never seen a political class of a major country willing to turn off the switches for of their entire economy. because somebody with no, with real, no real power in brussels, told them to, oh, by the way, you know, i never thought i would have seen a german chancellor who i referred to as sergeant schultz on this program. being openly insulted by the president in the united states and get away with it. i mean, what kind of leadership does germany have? what kind of leadership does europe have? go ahead ralph. yeah, you just said right. we are obviously not our own man. mister shows is not his own man. then being on the international stage, he obviously took orders from washington and it became quite visible a couple of days ago when he gave a speech addressing us germans in english. so we wonder whether he lost his
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vocabulary book for us or but i use rather reporting back to washington because that's the truth. we are not submarines since the 990 s. when we thought that we were suffering after the 2nd world war. and after the berlin wall had come down, that we would have our own stay to the nation would and be sovereign and we would get the peace treaty eventually with all the nations that we harmed during the 2nd world war. and you now see that actually germany is doing exactly what washington wants them to do. first, they said we are not going to send any arms into conflict which is against our law and against the people's law. actually, it's against international law to do that. but suddenly we do it a week later and there must have been some instructions from washington and they received them and ram stain at the base. here in germany from all american wars are
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still being rout ralph. leave the behavior of the german government and other governments in the european union make them co belligerence and this conflict. i think that, you know, that should be take, be noted, particularly the because of the regime type in care by the germans of all people should be very aware of that. and in there it's completely whitewashed. we'll talk about white washing a little bit later. george, i want to go back to you again the g 7, you know, who must not win, but i thought ukraine was winning. how do you explain this to me? maybe i missed something. go ahead. well, let's say the boy that on the g 7 and the western powers can't really make up their mind. i is russia just this hopeless, mediocre militarily incompetent, demoralized chaotic state that is being absolutely trounced and hammer by the plucky ukrainians. oh, does ukraine need and desperately and you know,
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we need to send everything that we've got in order to ensure a potent doesn't prevail. they can't really get the, the narrative. right? and so they go for one to another just in order to persuade the public that somehow by sending in lots and lots of arms into ukraine, they are not actually endangering ok the city of europeans and america. but george forgot it because they got charged met for 8 years. nato has been trading the ukranian army for 8 years. arms have been pouring a. do you grain? i mean, so more training, more arms. let me throw that to gilbert here. i mean there's, there's something that we've been doing the western powers have been doing this for 8 years, and this is the result they're getting. so why would you fight pouring bad money or after the reporting good money after bad money, go ahead in st. petersburg and effectiveness doesn't exist in vocabulary
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of the european leaders. they are posture, all pastoral d v m. what does this richard been sent to us till recently? have been oh, they haven't been ineffective and they have been delivering the way where they are destroyed upon arrival. that does not bother a fluster. the, the western presidents and prime ministers, a very concerned with their relationship with united states, not really with their relationship with ukraine. and they want a demonstration of bid one another. well, i mean about ralph, i mean, what, what does ukraine mean to the german people? i mean, if you could speak for your entire people or just yourself here, but i mean, why is germany willing to sacrifice so much for a country that has no strategic value whatsoever to germany or the west?
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well i, as i said before, i believe that this is a do orders of someone else. germany is particularly not interested in ukraine. the hardly know much about it. i mean our culture is so different. you think that polish people are closer to vest ukrainians, but even there i see a lot of differences, but here in germany, people are saying okay, people are suffering. let's take them on the refugees. we want to help. we want to look good with that and all that. yes. but on the other hand, we don't understand as a german people who ukrainians are and what they are. and not many of us even recall the recent history from a 100 years ago or from 77 years ago. mean last night we had the ambassador of ukraine on the german t. v show again. and he's mr. malik is quite extra in this
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sense that he's accusing paper. busy and he said openly, the germans, we would owe them for 10000000 soldiers who lost their lives in freeing astronauts as he's turning it completely around. i mean, i've been there on the outer nationalist lead of a few grand at that time was. busy ally of mr. hitler. so who fought guns to here and who freed us? i mean i wish that there would be clarity, at least here in germany on that matter because we wanted to be freed from fascist . but mr. ma straight, le certainly did not do the opposite. yeah, george, i mean, we were, you and i have talked about at the, at the, the gaggle or podcast, how the narratives have been flipped. ok, where the good guys are now. the good guys are now the bad guys. bad guys are now the good guys. go ahead. 15 seconds before we go to the break. a short speech on
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the day he kind of pretty much suggested that somehow germany was one of the good guys in, well too, and the russians, well, the bad guys and somehow you know, the price. oh that thought, hold that, that we have to go to a hard break and that's about hard break. we'll continue our discussion on the situation and you're going to say with a look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such orders that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. and the point obviously,
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ah, welcome back. across stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you were discussing the situation in ukraine? ah okay, go back to gilbert in st. petersburg and the 1st part of the program we were talking about who's giving orders to whom. here you have a dissenting opinion. go right ahead. i can say definitely who is getting directions to mister shows, but i would like to introduce a very important situation that agrees in government . and he was dependent on agreement because agree on not just agreement were founded by you and ruby to read. and they had
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a program which is of our foreign policy positions were always very anti rushing the last 20 years and the german greens and then the most bull in attacking russia in trying to sanction russia therefore, should come as no surprise that when the degrees became full members coalition and at the last elections in germany, they had come in with a strongly russian position. they needed no, not the question is stronger than the government. i think we standing in officials a very we personality and his colleagues in the cabinet from the green, ignorant experience and the long story themselves would be stupid. they are
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determined. yep. and they are totally well i actually ralph, i, i, i very much agree with gilbert and the position of the green party. however, i would add another layer to that is that washington is never like social democrats . okay at all. okay. they've always been very suspicious where they're getting it, they're going to make a deal with, you know, it goes all back to keep the russians out, the germans, that the americans and the social democrats always challenge it one way or another . go ahead ro. yeah, actually i do agree with both of you. i mean, the green party that i knew was pedro carr. and kennedy, 40 years ago i interviewed her as a young journalist and she was demonstrating and ramstein as well as a lot against the deployment of pershing. yep. rockets and so on and cruise missiles and so on. so that is a long way the greens have come. when the 999,
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the cause of what war broke out and the 1st german military direct military participation after 945. this was done by schroeder and fish fish or the green foreign minister at that time. who make that shift and who actually he vowed that he would never have out with happened again saying there were concentration camps run by subs in the territory of the. busy federal republic, golf to was labia and kosovo and which was all not true. it's a bit like the situation we have now. we start where they say that were war crimes committed. well, the well route you're going exactly way want to go. i want to talk about the information more. let me go to george here. that's one thing that we keep hearing charge over the russians have lost the information war. well, i mean, if you're in the west, it's all dissent any, any contrary in view of the situation that's an ukraine is shut down. i mean,
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then what's the point of having an information more of one side can speak, and that's essentially what is happened. go ahead, george. it's worse than that. it's not just that they closed down t and, and when the band, any access to russia, media in the west. western governments are also the asian, isn't the last of mary operations? there are any number of organizations and things thanks from the by western governments and the e. you, whose sole purpose is to go around writing reports about who to box on the net or criminal this information agent or the russian tools of this information. that's what they do. they are lavishly funded by the european government, the government, and they probably these reports completely worthless,
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but they serve to great this the atmosphere. as soon as the russian boss all over the place, putting out all kinds of this information, trying to all the western public. so yeah, i mean then what happens then is people don't want to listen to that and they just listen exclusively to the absolute nonsense. told by western governments of case in point yesterday's speech on may the 9th delivered by british defense minister ben wallace, in which not only with like russia to not be germany. and he actually went to the mean and disparage the performance of the red army in world war 2. but him, you know, the soviet performers, the pretty much smaller to read than trop back and then falling spending millions
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of people to perish before the german times or less the way the russians like that . they just spend millions of people because they don't care about, you know, they just, it's just a matter of humanity. that's what you get. effect winning information were okay. it just it juice. yeah. big lie. it. but it, it shows their weakness. that's why they, they believe in censorship because they don't want to counter argument. you know, gilbert, one of the things is very frustrating for me as our on december 17th, when the, the russians sent their ultimatums because that's what they were one to the on nato . and went to the united states. now, you know, you can go and lease, you could go to the the kremlin website. you could go to task dot com, and you would get all of these documents. i had guessed after guess before 2 of february 24th. but you are not messaging, we don't know what that, what's in putins head on, why did you just go and read, depress. com, friends? why don't you read the press release? it was all out that was all out there on display. george and i have talked about
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this countless number of times. you're surprised they did, they telegraphed out they were going to do from the very beginning. nobody listened in with this information warren and shut down of for of dissenting views. we said it's only going to get worse. go ahead gilbert. well, i think we have to put the information, the more information or substitutes for a real or it is a virtual world. and that is the bow in which was most of the united states exists. the united states for last 30 years then came running real ground war. and so this is taking place. i wouldn't get too excited. but russia, ruling information were considering where we had been since much against the notion of russia would be given a fair hearing of any con, is excluded. however, in the real world, what will count at the end of the day on the ground,
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and what russia does not do to achieve its objectives. which one might say, our pretty clear is to take and keep control of the south and east of ukraine, and to keep the train from the black sea and to limit the grim that it is not a good read to russia at any time in the future. with the real world, so what's on the ground? we'll see how it works and they're being given every chance to succeed, because we are just 6 or western supplies to ukraine already. when our very final, you know, ralph of the western media is coverage of this is just simply appalling. and it's obviously intentional. my position is always been,
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it's rushes time table and russia will determine the outcome when it's ready when it wants to do that. but, you know, one of the things that is never really talked about is that why did we get into this situation? the 1st place because of insecurity in europe, the, the, the very poor security infrastructure that allowed the to happen. and russia will, it will make the, will not offer negotiations. it will say these are our conditions and these will, will be met. it will be another ultimatum. and i think europe is not prepared or even willing to think about that. go ahead, ralph. yeah, you're absolutely right here as well. now, what i have to note is that there's a rewriting of history at the moment. i mean, we see and all our papers here in germany, especially those who are close to the green party like tuts, the target side to they kind of scripting what mrs. bear buck is saying, and even what mr. charles is going to say putting in this context, ready,
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se started and had already planned to begin the war before hitler rose to power. you know, this was yesterday on the headline. so they're having put in idle with started. busy with hitler, but sometimes they're not care about it. mister font likes to lincoln to edler and george, you and i, we've cross this bridge before. okay. i mean, i remember in the new york review, but it was like in what was it like 19919293. something like that. ok. you know, the new revisionists, this is happening again except for what the differences in some of those were crazy academics. now politicians are in, in on it to go ahead george. there's no question of that. and that within the next 1020 years, willfully a historical and historical germans will of vince themselves. that they were actually victims,
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world war 2. then they were actually the victims of aggression by silence. when you yes. and you went on the german tv. i'm pretty much told them that the, this is what the committed these terrible processes a few when they invaded lynn, you know his audience and again, yesterday be the 9th ben wallace and his speech. he started talking about the heretic, arrays and mothers that were committed by the red army when he was liberal, a crawl, fascism. so that is now, you know, we will look back on well, we'll do. ready who are the good guys with a bad idea at george? what do you bet, a batch a couple of beers on this one before it's all said and done. it was the, the russians that trick the japanese into attacking pearl harbor, bad stuff, history. i know it sounds comical right now,
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but we're debt. we're going down that path that we're a very a historical one. when you're, when you're a historical you, you're looking for catastrophe, gentlemen. that's all the time we have many thanks to my guess. in budapest, moon, munich, and in st. petersburg. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time. remember, cross hospitals. i move when i would show seemed wrong when i just don't hold any rules yet to shape out. the steam becomes the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. a
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