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. ah, hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter level. the conflict in ukraine continues to pace. the situation on the battlefield for the camp regime is going from bad to worse. none the less, the u. s. and it's nato allies continue to pour in massive amounts of age and weapons. diplomacy is still not on the agenda. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess these and in our slow here is a professor at the university of se or norway as well as author of the new book usa, phobia propaganda in international politics. and in ross up on down, we have a row,

he is the founder of the center of political strategic analysis strap all or a gentleman, cross talk rules and effect. that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciated chris, start out with our slow the big news over the last few days. why is that? we had defend secretary lloyd austin, call his counterpart is russian count or are sort of a shy group and it was at the behest of the u. s side, requesting a cease fire. so can you explain to me something if you're following western media? ukraine is winning rushes, losing, but the winning side wants to have a sci fi, isn't it? usually the other way around, thoughts? my friend. wow, yes, you are. when you're calling, i see a fire or a try to stop diplomacy, the war is not going your way. but of course, the idea of having a, c, c, r and i was also very problematic because it is not followed up with diplomatic suggestion. like a solution to the conflict if you're just a sci fi without any diplomatic solution. well,

it almost seems like it is just the way to stall in order to get your weapons to the from frontline. so you can't one week say you're going to push $50000000000.00 worth of weapon into your crane. and the next they say less of a cease fire until this wife and i found life. but i guess i see some changes on the reasoning behind it because it, on the main war, in ukrainian or half of ukraine's main forces are the best forces that is and they have out the very strong frontline again in the south on their southern front line for the ukrainians and had to build fortifications over the past 8 years. the trenches with holds against artillery and they have the job liens against the armored vehicles have been trying to storm and, and in the north you have a forest, you have the serious the river. so there's a lot of natural boundaries about what we've seen over the past week or 2 has been

a long week sublease in russia. there are a lot of these front lines because for the 1st 2 months they were down the defenses and the last 2 weeks you see that came down from if you there came into a surrounded centers on the top of my f l, which is very significant. in both russia and ukraine immediately recognized devastating disease because now the russians can come up behind their front lines and create lots of pockets in the western media. it's not mentioned or this is a tactical withdrawal, which is kind of interesting that i could do now that the korean is conventional how horrible this is about. we can't do it in our media and, and also you see further to the west, which is the closer to the cutting, oftentimes on bus region from a still can you see also huge interest coming up. we're from russia. so there's a, there's a, it looks like the front lines are collapsing, which is good. and then you can have a snowball effect because for every come up. so you create

a defensive fries of thousands of russian or soldiers who can then just move on. so it does look like we're next 2 weeks. we will see the critical point of this war. turning your exam, you know, i looked at to read out the the call between the ministers and again, you know, can you explain to me, i mean the americans on behalf of ukrainians. i guess ukrainians are not in play anymore. it's the u. s. me calling all the shots. why didn't i lloyd austin say a ceasefire and you know, maybe we'll talk about those 6400 sanctions. so, i mean, it's kind of like nothing for nothing. i mean, what kind you gambit is, this, is almost to the point of being juvenile. go ahead, was, in my opinion, the one to repeat what the data was means to it means to talking, talking, using this time to reinforce the army. and you know, actually ask for

a ceasefire. 2 days after the beginning of the operation. if you remember, give us for negotiation and they get the 1st session after 4 days. because in my opinion, there is some people in a kiff and especially in washington or in london, that perfectly understood that on the operative point of russia as one of the world after the 1st week of fight. because it's a block completely all the recorded army for pray, beating in the possibility of a fancy, i mean a coordinate offensive on the, on the plan. so i said, is it what they do is the last 7 years. it's a trying to get, this is for you to reinforce, but in my opinion, i was a big problem. one of them is, are you because the, during the last 2 months is the promise to the my opponent just fighting it in the other stuff that there will be a free from the russian army. because thanks to a meter operations,

things to i room about operations, thanks to negotiation things too. because the, you know, the 1st time in the story of war that people were willing to, we're asking to be evacuated, you know, so country. but you know, it's very, very, it's not just a joke is very important because the, what the plan of care is to it's to organize my, your point everywhere in the east, your grand territories, you know, in seattle done it in this a chance. and soon, in newport, metro is a part of it, but it will work if people inside the fortress a believes that there will be a possibility to like your retreat or to win the war. and then when russia will take all those 2 classes did or live in the other style, it will be the evidence for every i think. also, it's very important to point out for our viewers is that there's a great deal of interest, particularly how the russian side is,

who are these people? what, what nationalities are they? what are they? are individuals in nature, uniforms, and other things. it will be very, very curious to find out about this because mary overall was very important to the, to the ukrainian slash nato side because that was supposed to be the best and that we keep this out. and that is not the case here. glenn, i mean that's another thing, you know, it's all these things in play here. when you, we've talked about many times. so you have this massive, massive a package, you know, a 6 times the, the in the military budget of ukraine before the conflicts started. almost the, the same size is of the russian, russian annual military budget. so you have and then we have rand paul, thank goodness, basically getting some breaks out of here. but i mean, i'm a massive of spending bill and then a cease fire. i mean,

it does the left hand know what the right hand is doing here. go ahead. no. right. so it doesn't seem compatible because again, the only 2 weeks ago is austin. that's was a british pound, are going out saying that the goal of this war is it is not so simpler to repel the russians. you know, full victory, take back all territories including crimea privately, you know, and also break the back of russia weakening and significant play sort of project and enforcing the years to come. i mean, this is, this is a very extreme objective to set. and then for the and to pump all these weapons and then to call asking for a cease fire. i. it does seem it doesn't seem likely, but i also think that's a good reason why it doesn't seem very sincere. this is a proposal for a c for an actual to in the war, because again, if you're not supplemented with some suggestion or how to end the war,

then it doesn't work. and again, us also the crane and media confirms the british and americans, they, you know, they came in and convinced ukrainians to abandon negotiations with the russians. and, you know, they were making, you know, they were, they were still far apart, but they were making it moving towards some kind of a compromise. they were expecting some concession to spend the war, but, but again, i think, you know, it's understand a lot of this. i think it's important to realize that this is to large extent a proxy or, i mean, even if you cream is tomorrow, would say listen, i will, will give everything between them boston kind of song. this is not acceptable to the americans again, for 20 years now. america cited sized on your credit, billions of dollars. this black sea coast is a key objective. and you know, it doesn't matter. ukrainians wouldn't want to. this is, you know, this. i'm sometimes trying to compare, tell people that, you know, if it stays investing billions of dollars,

it's not to promote democracy or human rights to do how strategic objectives mean this is not a conspiracy or so this is not just the rest of this. how all states behave, how strategic objectives, they communicate them in the language or values. that's that, this is how are we going to work? it's just this constructor is very into the, at the, in the negotiations and it's symbol of already been mentioned. you know, and it's very interesting exactly how you know, they have to maybe give, put in an offer and give him an out. you know, i mean, they, they believe their own propaganda actually. ok. because the way i look at it, and you've already brought up of them in school chords here, why should rush it? leave any politician in the west when it comes to your grade. it's been one lie, one line after another. ok. and so my says, the way i assess it is that russia has always been on its own timeline and it will, it will decide when the conflict is over in conflict, can be over on its terms. what do you say?

i guess, i guess in washington, in london, the perfectly understand that russia won't stop and actually put in change is a war and during the, on the 22 off approval. so it's no more question off the bus and cream a. it's question of controlling all the source of the coast, and in my opinion, the next step. as soon as the battle in the bus will be finished for putting will already the ministry of defense will announce the new targets. and in my opinion, it would be more to read or you couldn't territory a for just saw in my opinion at this time the west is no, i can't understand what, what they can do to, to find, to find a solution in this i guess your request is just is just i

guess, thank you. thank you. russia. oh, they've already done that day. yeah. because i, you know, there is, there is a blitzkrieg lost. i mean, the west, the last the economic risk. it's created as their last strongly and each day it showed that it's worse and worse than they can imagine. and in front of them, i mean the west. there is a crisis concerning foods in san antonio, the west, but all the world and russia is one of the actors that can solve this crisis. so in front of the west, there is, they're going to lose the war they doing to face a crisis. i, we, we never saw for a long time, and there is a, it's a no. so is asking for a sci fi, no, it's a. well, i mean, it, it seems very obvious to me. in retrospect, is that the russians had long play unless they look at every single possible

contingency. because j. p. morgan came out with a desk know to its investors that the russian economy is doing more or less. okay. it will may have a sharper session, but it will only cover permanent by 2024 back to the back to business as usual, or a gentleman. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll can you know, our discussion on some real in stay ah ah, ah oh, when i was showing wrong, when all cruise just don't a whole new world yet to shape out disdain becomes the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds

apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, well, the magic crossed up were all things considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. i okay, let's go back to glen, let. let's talk about what nobody in western media wants to talk about either because they don't have the imagination or they don't have the guts to face reality . but this whole conflict is really all been about russia, security goals and demands of people can focus in on the battlefield. and i'm amazed with your knowledge of all the geography at all. it's really quite

impressive. but at the end of the day, because russia had put forth ideas about reworking european security architecture, got completely blown off by washington and london in brussels. and then now rush is going through the process of making for the force of arms and its own arguments. and i would even say using international law to create its own conditions for european security. the west is not prepared for this at all. are they? no, no, no, not at all. and i think that this is the key problem ahead of us because, you know, for this war conflict to really stop when they, we, we, we, we do need to have a settlement on european security because again, this all goes back to the, to the concept of the problem, the european security and we delayed it and escalated the whole way. keep in mind that this whole began after the call, we're in the west withdrew from all this pan european security agreements. and just

that, is that a ruling dividing lines of your, we're just going to move them to the east, the respective all academics, politicians and intelligence people said that this will probably to warrant. and again, this is what happened in your credit and they had an government to commit themselves to the child. you know, we always say which was a russian but it. ready to law and not joining in the military alliance. i mean it's either russian lead or america. but then when the rest back to toppling on the, on the commission 2014, we removed the then the, then the child g, a, c, i, a director william burns. you're going to want in 2008. if this will never happen. and need to membership will be a possibility. it will probably be a civil war. and you argue that the russians will feel compelled, even in hero, not me. so just make it clear that the russian would feel compelled to going there wouldn't want to invade, but they would feel compelled to do so to protect the people in the bus, but also prevent me from coming to the border. this is not the normative argument

from my perspective, saying what is right. i'm just saying this is what even the americans talk and tell us people are recognized. so. so my, my whole point is that we have to deal with the question of neutrality and european security. and again, this is what the russians also when the 1st storm towards q in leaving their supply lines are very open exposing them. and they want to pressure your grant, they want to think about issue and coming to charlotte. and again, the americans have written a skip snowballing into a bigger, bigger war. but at some point we do have to deal with this issue is going to the beginning. what are we going to do about european security? this idea we have in europe as long as we get a bigger done, closer and closer to russia, said that this is the recipe for security. i think we have to rethink some of this . doesn't mean we can still call them the russian world. we can do other one. we do

have to recognize the mental problems of all this. so i, i don't see, i don't see it coming. that's my problem. the problem is, is we rush, it's my right now is fighting a military campaign. the west is fighting some kind of ideological one. it has no room for bearing on reality whatsoever. let me i want to cite. we change the topic, then one in sweden, joining the alliance. i completely dumbfounded by this sweden and finland have done very well with the trial. and now they wanted to stabilize their neighborhood by taking a side by joining they go, they are recognizing rush. it is an enemy country. they, for decades make them no, no, we have no enemies. we're just, you know, projecting security was going on right now. it makes it really clear. those 2 countries they want to join nato, they deem russia is an enemy rush will have every right to w no concerning

a system is not the very original because is basically known that the military in the, in the push for that during the last 70 years we can say so at least as we get what they want and it won't change anything because actually trade on is not so close to russia, the finland. i'm quite to some point by finally because as you say, no seem to win. so in my opinion, is the question of the, of the current elite in this country. but i'm not sure that it will be so popular in the, in the finish population. and so let's see what happened. and let's see if, if we're going to will agree to let them know, because these are a surprising guy, actually a what we had before. we talked numerous times in december, january, and february for the conflict. and just been in the russian side.

made it very clear that if their demands are not met, that they would re a reply with military technical response. they've already said that now when it comes to sweden and finland, does anybody understand the, the causality here in the ukraine. don bass thinking that be resolved, there will be military technical reaction. they said this again now when it comes to sweden and finland, that should tell everybody everything about what's going on and they are not members of nato at this point. that i'm not sure that the fish and the finish population will be happy to know that know, since know the size will be in the direction of the country. and of course i just said glen, it's very important to rebuild, but not only for a security system in europe, but in the world. because actually the 2nd phase of the united states is on the was it allied?

it should look as well, have been in the us in the refuse to put to condemn the original variation in the final acts of the meetings, or just to let me go to glen on this here, glen russia in europe, their geographical location. so they're not going anywhere. ok, they are neighbors and not will never change. ok. so where do we move forward here? i mean, they, i mean, is it possible when this is that when we have the end of this conflict here, russia presents it's ultimatums because it's in a position to do that. how do we move beyond that, or is, are we just going to be in this kind of frozen environment for our generation? go ahead a discussion we should have and this is, this is my criticism. if, if this is our plan in europe or in, or just continue to push it closer to russian voters and say, just for security,

well, at least have some discussions around it, but i don't, i don't see any new base around. going back to that in the swedish, sweden joining, you know, it's, it's quite extraordinary that there's not any progress in 80 years, almost on has very success story. i've been being neutral, and now they're going to join in my, my, my main question was, why is the big rush this know the big debate being hacked or you know, referendums, nothing like this. and obviously now, during this conflict, emotions are running high. so there's a lot of paranoia about that hysteria. so, so right now, you know, you have a lot of people who want to join it and i think they just want ok, let's get this done. now we have on our side, why not discuss this what this is actually mean for security and, and wait for things to calm down before we rush before the russian tomato. because again, when you, when you see the media coverage as well,

the need to cover some main line is a he wants to keep it away. and the chief, the opposite. now we're going to come into the about, you know, is the point of this alliance time security, or is it to robert into space? it just, it seems so self, self destructive for and also the implicit aspect is if you recognize the brush, i went into your crank to prevent paper expansionism. and then we're going to expand into a very common area during the entire cold war. exactly, because there wasn't any presence here in sweden were neutral norway, we didn't have any american troops on our soil. now we do have american troops for military bases, which can be used against the russians. and are you going to assume in sweden, i mean, can name is going to be a key northern front line against russia. and again, this is good for power project. sure, so good for security. and i think we need to go with this actual discussions, but we're not having them at the moment to spend. we're having this debates, whether or not we're running something in space, it's very,

very dangerous. and, and, and exhibit what we've learned from this. i mean with finland in sweden, it's all, keep in mind that turkey does have a vote on and they turkey has issues with finland, entered the and they're supportive the kurds and you have another complicated layer there. so it's not a done deal knowing air do on the want, something for something. everything is the bizarre for him. so we have to put that on the side here. but you know what, what this is finland and sweden in the alliance. it makes very clear that this isn't a ukraine problem. it's a rush, a versus a nato, nato versus russian. that it becomes very clear because ukraine, the way the u. s. in its allies are treating ukraine. they want this conflict to go on to the last ukranian, i mean with allies like that. ok, you neutrality could be the possible things to happen to you. and the way things

stand now is there is a neutral ukraine. it's going to be kind of small, don't you think? go ahead. oh, yes, of course. i would. you let me put in change on the 22 of april. no, we're talking about never actually. and in my opinion again after the button and done bus. if, if, if this is a sponsor, don't understand the exact situation where they are. so we will, we will hear new claim, new requests from the russian part and, and what will stay as a grain? i'm not sure it will be so important to have them the 12, not 12 because it will be very short if we were smaller and glen this last 30 seconds to you. and it looks to me that if there's some state of view crane, which is very much in the cards right now, that will just be kind of a ward of,

of the you do take, take care of, you know, i kind of a cost of paying you know just a, a very small, very poor place that they're going to have to my take on is their responsibility. the last 115. so i can see when i agree, and i think this is been the main cause i'm on a suffering all this because they were going to been put in the middle. and we were trying to decide you dividing lines from europe and just being torn from both sides and suffering greatly because of this. so hopefully that should be a point of departure and discussion. how can we, can we stabilize your for the benefit to be a great way to end this program in a positive note with a very tragic situation. that's all the time we have. want to take my guess and i'll slow and ross up on them. and i want to thank you for watching is here to see you next time. remember crosstalk was

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