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[000:00:00;00] ah ah ah hello and welcome to crossed out. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . while the west maintains its anti russian rhetoric and backed up with evermore sanctions, the position of official kid is not so clear when addressing the davos crowd to cranes zalinski called for negotiations. one of his chief negotiators refuted this . so where does he have stand?
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with cross talking official care, i'm joined by my guess, margaret kimberly in new york, she is executive editor of black, a gender report in paris. we have rachel marson. she is a political columnist, strategist in talk show host and in hong kong we have angel juliano. he is a political and financial analysts or across like rules and effect. that means he can jump in any time he want. and i always appreciate, ah, let's go to our guest in hong kong 1st here. i mentioned day davos in my introduction, zalinski talking about out there has to be negotiations. also. his chief negotiate refuted that immediately after the ukrainian president said, henry kissinger is some one i usually don't invoke in this program, but he was also at davos. he said, the conflict with russia must end in 2 months, or it will spiral out of control. so negotiate or not to negotiate. and someone that i don't have a whole lot of respect for, for his political history,
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but his intellect is something you have to deal with here. so a where do we stand and all of this here go head in hong kong. when peter teaches ola rhetoric we should look at fact not, not the words here. and in these knots is selling skis. clearly not willing to negotiate. and we asked us as she challenger, easy, really the wanting power? we all know that these pressed by neo nazis and you have a soul washington that have the last say, so he's a, you know, the power has been hijacked since 2014 in ukraine. ukrainians have nor say, ukraine is not a shoving state. it's not that democracy a, you have a part of the population. a russian population is a 2nd. our 2nd grade citizens are deaf by and parties to have been made. yes, it is clear enough that democracy is so we need to challenge who's, who is in power here and it's probably the decisions are taken in washington.
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zelinski is never change. his job is still the same. he's an actor, he's a comedian. and he is a script and the script is written by this. yea. okay, well ours, pretty so thank there and that's something i've been thinking for going along and let me go to margaret here. i mean, one of the interesting things is that we have a riff with a, with within the western ally. and so with the bow, a french president, a crown kind of on his own. but ineffectual, i would say largely, um, is that no negotiations in the french presence as always at least keep talking here . all along events are playing out. western media doesn't want to talk about the true state of a military affairs and ukraine. the vast majority of the ukranian army is in the east and it's being absolutely crushed, though that's not being mentioned. i suppose that $40000000000.00 griff bits bit there started with washington. they hopeful change it, but are all in this is where we stand right now. and i'm really glad that we heard this is not about democracy because we know light austin, the defense secretary said his of the u. s. position is to weaken russia,
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so the mask is come off. this is where we stand. we stand at war without any one invoking it yet. go ahead, margaret. yes, it's some. yeah. you're absolutely right. i anyone really knows what they're talking about. knows that ukraine is losing. so we, when we hear about this equipment that's going to be sent there and, and we have to point out, you know, a lot of this equipment takes weeks or even months to learn how to use. if the army is being destroyed, ukraine is taking huge casualties. so it's turned into a big surprise, a cash cow for the military industrial complex. it was never really about carrying about ukraine. the object of this war is, as the defense secretary said, to try to weaken russia, which is not going to happen. russia's military is stronger than ukraine, obvious, of course, they were a going to win all this talk of russia being
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a gas station masquerading as a country. and all these stupid comments obviously are untrue. they are impoverishing the entire world in a futile effort to try to weaken our russia economically. there has to be negotiations, but i worry because biden, and his team of amateurs don't have a plan b. it, let's, let's expand upon that rachel here because what i do see here is mission creep. okay. and it's, we're not really no coincidence that the griffin of afghanistan was over last year . and now, even though that the sums of money are getting more and more similar, there are people in washington talking about $3.00 trillion dollars. that should light should go off in your brain there. that was what the afghan griff cost is here. i mean, it, it, it seems like there's very few winners in this at all, and mostly people on the ground all across the globe are the biggest losers. of course, the arms manufacturers, a lobbyist, the,
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the hunter biden's upsets world. they make money off of it. go ahead. rachel. you know, i think peter, that maybe mission creep in the ultimate objective to the whole thing. because it seems like the objective on the part is the states which really has no interest in putting attention this party. this party is to divide ration from the year and seems to be working obviously and also prolong this complex so that russia is tied up and can't get involved in other activities when the main focus for at least that's those are the objects. but i think the reality is that this is going to all be dictated by economics and largely from europe. because my whole is already starting to ignore the 2 are friends of all the fact that they can't go on forever. we saw that the italian prime minister at the foreign ministers meeting last friday, the trend table of work point plan for peace here doesn't seem to be too interested
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in it. but the fact that he even brought that up to just that he's probably disgusted with his counterpart here in europe and there probably some work for it. and the fact that he presented it officially to tanya gutierrez, who is the center general, the united nations who's already made a trip to moscow to just that maybe there's some interest in having him bring it forward and see what can be done with it. the fact that kia doesn't seem to be interested in it right now, probably largely a factor of just reality, that united states and you're seem to still be somewhat behind it. but at that all a dairy and you the weekend and he did touch on that point, this solitary it is each of this week i think we could see things started change. yeah, it's interesting the point that i'm, let's go back to hong kong, angelo. it's very interesting that this whole idea of solidarity there are,
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there is a level of western fall charity. but if you look at, you know, a year in hong kong are, by the way, i mean it, this effort to isolate russia. but if you look at it broadly, it's the europeans and the american allies are getting more and more isolate people just not on board for this. okay, i'm saudi arabia came out in the last news. i will say we're not getting involved when i get involved this, you know, this is your fight. ok. the indians feel that way. obviously the chinese feel that way. um, if the issue is to isolate itself, isolation and europeans were never supposed to be hurt by sanctions. there are being hurt more by sight these sanctions than russians, at least at this point. go ahead. well, what the leading here is, i think we should look more globally. this transition between a, from a going from a uniform, a world she a multiple, a worth in. i think this was her. those countries day they were didn't improvised. the position of india probably was talked,
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they did talk to each other in i think this is the time the timing is easy. and how can i say i could? how can i put it? i think it's a combined effort from the global soft, the reaction the hair is, is coordinated. and i think i think china worked a so closely with russia to prepare to what we're living here. keep in mind that or, or everything that we're living right now. the in ukraine, enter. so in taiwan, you have a think that the papers and for example, the rand corporation, they already planned that. they talked about of window of opportunity between 2015 to 2025. where they can contain china. and part of containing chinese contain russia. so the 1st step is, contain russia. so you can actually see, you can, um, because russia is, it gives a lot of oil and gas to, to china. and then the last, the last goal is china. and you see, i mean it's not
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a coincidence that you have by than no that he's going to sell korean and japan, she begged and choose to g. you had them in she containing china. well, i think go to margaret. i think binds trip is very comical. i mean, they, they, they want to get the chinese on board against russia, but their goal is going around the pacific rim, the rim to trying to create an alliance against china. i mean, this is a childish, a juvenile thinking here. i really don't know who is coming up with these plans here, but i mean, i don't think the chinese watching all this take it very seriously or whatsoever. go ahead in new york. well i, of course they don't, no one does i. i, i find it amusing that the u. s. can spend all these years accusing china of having concentration camps and all manner of things and trying to a cause, a disruption in hong kong, and then turn around and expect china to turn against their strategic partner. so yes, this trip is going to be
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a failure. none of these countries wants to be used the way ukraine is being used. excellent point. excellent point. yes and, but you're trying to do that to taiwan. it just astounds me that having had ukraine blow up in their faces, they're now trying to replicate their failure with tie wine. this administration is incredibly dangerous biden. his i did not vote for him, i never supported him, but he is 10 times worse than i thought he would be. that he has gone from creating one disaster to trying to create a new one. but i think people need to see it's the u. s. that's isolated, it's not russia. the rest of the world is telling the u. s. know, you have little vassal states like the u. k. and the other european countries, they're the only ones going along with this calamity of washington's making.
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well it's, it's very interesting because very few people, particularly in western miti, whatever i'll describe that is the case here. but, you know, the, you're absolutely right. in the 2nd part of the program, i want to talk about the costs and sacrifices that have to be made for this policy and the dangers that are down the line here. i'm gonna jump in here. we're going to go to a short break them out of that short break. we'll continue our discussion on official can't stay with us. ah
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a robot must protect its own existence with ah, ah ah, welcome back across like where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle, to remind you we're discussing official give. ah okay, let's go. let's go back to rachel in paris. i used to work the term official care because eg genuflecting to our guest in hong kong. is it because of the result of the illegal change of power and i in cabin 2014. that's why i call it official cab i, rachel,
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ram. russia must not be allowed to win. this is the mantra that we hear through the halls of power in the west, but they're not going to lose this. that's for sure. why? because it's considered existential here. and this is what the, the part, the problem of western policy is, is that they don't want to see russia when, but russia knows that it cannot lose. that is a situation that is direly dangerous. go ahead, rachel. well, i think at this point, all they're interested in doing here in the west is just tying up russia destroying the european economy, which obviously europe willingly going to do why re telling how i, i want to know why, why? i mean, that is the question. i can't get my head around god, why? well, because the people who run the show, they have an idea axe to grind against russia. and for some reason we have this, we're kind of math, syria, math courses on the part of our leader,
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where they are no courage on the part in any of them to really stand up and say, hey look, you know what? we shouldn't be doing this, this might be american agenda. americans. why? but it's child. instead, they all just pop more like we've seen and it was pretty much everything else and we're going to be stuck with the bill. well, the 2 big economic and military engineers of the you, frank, germany, and that doesn't mean the leader that they have no problem. they get advice, cars, they get here. you know, they're a lot, 11, huge salaries. they don't really have to worry about much like they're touch the ground or dealing with on the ground and average citizens in your know, all they care about is their id, like the judge, and they are really hell bent on achieving it. yeah. but rachel isn't quite curious that, that i would agree, but you know, the united states it's, it's rubbing its hands with glee that they,
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at least this point in time. they have had gemini, over a year or a big, you know, they've got everybody in line. they get to get rid of sergeant chilton, germany real quick. they don't like social democrats. ok. they'll get rid of him. ok, and they'll see it. ok, but then what's it worth? what is the prize worth when it's productivity will go to 0. what is the price of europe if it's worthless? rachel? well, well, i'm all you have to know about what's going on right now is you can learn by looking back, happened last fall, when fresh start screwed up in the summary. a summary, you know, with australia by the united states, which john didn't grab that you were talking tens of hundreds of billions of dollars over many, many years. huge deal price economy and for the french military industrial complex . and at the time, they were french generals who are telling me, france, she really just pull out of nato desk. they should really take a step because they just read over by the united states as the what the back,
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how do you sell for a little bit of help in a region where they're trying? yeah. anyway, has to be kicked out. i'm always actually got left empty handed and what do you do that? they're instruct. so that's all you really need to know european leadership and how they're handling everything. these of, you know, well, angela, me go to you and hong kong, too excited to continue with rachel was saying, you know, what, why didn't sergeant schultz, that's what i call in germany because that's how i essentially it comes to washington. d. c gets insulted to his face and he smiles. ok, then it comes to moscow and he says, you know, words of genocide and, and ethnic cleansing and don bass is laughable. well, what kind of german chancellor talks like that given germany's history, but anyway, is so, you know, we have the french really agree about that deal. then you know, you, the americans essentially want germany to turn off it's, it's an industry. so why don't the french and the germans say, yeah, we're out of nato. what is your gig? we don't want it. rachel's right, there's no courage,
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no intellectual courage in the european union. go ahead in hong kong. i think it's very important to, to put to the context. i mean, what is the you, how was the you created your, the e, you was a u. s. initiative after what, what, what you do germany who are so she can see that she be the father of the e. u was under the payroll of the cia. so the e u was an initiative from the us to better control europe. so you see the process after what were you, you had a, a gradual loss of sovereignty in democracy because europeans had no say the elect, some people that go to brussels, but then, you know, we, we don't elect vaughn de la and she was nothing like that. by me, as i me tell, you know, i've been elect on the line is done behind closed doors. so it's a, it's an entity which is extremely undemocratic, which is controlled by the lobby's, or they had no say,
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normally normal times you would have france and germany to take the decisions when it takes when it comes to foreign policy. here we see clearly that the, you, we sticking the, the, the decisions well and i mean that it can do with it. so we should respect her there not democracy in ukraine and ignore democracy in the european. you know, i mean, no one is ever voted for the superstate that they want to create. they will never put it up for a vote because it won't pass. okay. and when they have referenda don't pass, they have another one until they finally get what they want. that's their diminished understanding of democracy. martin were wrapped rapidly running out of time. you know, one of the things that's happening and maybe this is exactly what these leads want . they want to complete breach for a breaking rush away from europe. well, that's in the cards. and irrespective of how this military operation in ukraine is settled, there is a breach here that will be a, a new cold war for generations within s here. will rush has got other things to do . the world doesn't to stop for it for the west. ok, go ahead. no,
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it doesn't. and i, you know, that's part of the, the danger of the united states. we have these people who are simply delusional. they think that i'm and i'm, i'm sure the sessions have, have arm usher, but if not with a things going to happen, ah, the value of the ruble is going up. they have increased pain all over the world. rising fuel prices rising food prices, food shortages throughout the global south nations, we who can least afford to go through this. and for what, for a vein dream that they can weaken rush or break up, rush, or contain rush, or their big fantasy is to get another yeltsin in power. so they can uh, pick rushes resources apart at will, none of which is going to happen. and there has to be someone in this world who is thinking clearly, who knows this is all of us
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a really dangerous fantasy. and that will stop this destruction that the u. s. and b, it's vassals in europe are, are behind. and yes, this break is irreparable. but russia is prepared now to turn its back on europe, and we'll see how well the, the u. s. takes care of europeans, even those that do whatever it wants it to do in a rachel, it would have been improved. shortages have been brought up here. this is a very real thing, so i suppose it's a rhetorical question on my part. so to weaken break up russia, it's, it's, it's, we're seeing the world starve. and that, that as is the level of cynicism. ah, well we, we've seen what's happened in worms where it be nice day security. we saw what happened. let me pull that back gasket and a rush. and what's happened there since we saw the state which they left iraq and other countries in latin america?
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i don't think that's really a big consideration, the higher key priority city, united states. yeah. i think when rachel, i thought it was the rules based order and the west is morally superior to every one you know, and they invoke, well, they do it sporadically. international law, i mean it's really quite amazing. let me and go to hong kong here it's, it's, it's really quite amazing to me that they put on these errors all the time. but it only when it serves their political, economic, and financial interests, it all the rest doesn't really matter. rachel brought up a huge great examples of western virtue when the world go ahead. well, i think the virtue should be, it should be about tangible results or the west. they, they sell you the idea. you know, it's, it's just a, it's a, it's a fig democracy, a democracy should be, the legitimacy should come from, from the satisfaction of people. i've lived in china 27 years. i talked to chinese, they're happy with the system. it doesn't need to please me. it please needs to
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please them 95 percent according to howard university study. 95 percent of people are happy with the c p. c, y, because if the livery is delivering, you know, people are looking for tangible results in the west is premises. it's about showmanship is above the politicians that he's going to make the, the promise i'm expecting. and he's never gonna delivery. and this is what we're living, the faith, democracy of the west and in asia, they're not naive. they don't want that system because it, it doesn't deliver it. margaret that i'm glad that we, we're with this is what we heard from angel here. i mean, the way i look at very broadly is this is the, the failure in the end of neoliberalism. and this is kind of a last gasp here. it's really a when you, when we look at this gambit with ukraine, which is all intentional, this could have easily, easily been avoided. and we're talking about i containing china. this is their last throw of the dice here because they are
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a multi polar world is here and it's something these people cannot except go ahead margaret, you know, they cannot accept it. and i, i just wanted to add about this. they, they love to use the word democracy even as they undermine the people at every stage. you know, here in the u. s. biden has broken every campaign promise. every single one. they are so cynical they know what people want and that's why they make the promise. but when they get into office, there is, there's always a dog and pony show and a good cop bad cop to explain away their failures. but it is a uniform polar world, there is no turning back. but i again have to say, i fear that these people who are running u. s. foreign policy. don't know that they don't have a plan b. this is their role of the dice to try to keep the game going. but the only way to keep it going is to do something dangerous. we need people who have common sense,
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who can say that we must have peaceful coexistence with other countries. this notion of controlling the whole world will doom us all to failure at the very least and war at the worst. yeah. yeah. we would that we don't deserve these leads that that's for sure are, and it's all the time we have here many thanks my guess in new york, paris and in hong kong. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at archie, see you next time. remember articles ah ah for so for bureau cousins, room business and you clean them for you. the owner of unit d, a gully that was to sonya americans gray you were you wrote did you just go to release the social credit to the student influential. so social circle in was last
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