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a, with a with welcome to world, apart and own russian saying has it that once you have a reason finding a pretext is only a matter of time, including finding a pretext or a war. the animal sitting between russia and the united states has been building for a number of years. in fact, one could argue that it never really disappeared, just diminished with the end of the cold war. how far can the current conflict over
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ukraine take it? and what does it mean for the rest of the world? to discuss that i'm now joined by what is id, professor of political communications at the university of tech run, present his id is great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. thank you for hiring. now, in one of your recent articles, you suggested that they send you political rivalry over your grade that we all are now observing in some or even participating in just like the problem of iran. suppose that malicious nuclear intention is essentially an artificial problem. it was deliberately created by the americans to justify their intentional geopolitical you cannot make, has to teach always those countries. does washington even need a pre tax to do what it said? it's mind i'm doing, you know, when it comes to russia, i think they do because it's not very easy to question russia when it comes to you
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. they can always tend to take on the case to the. ready un security council with russia having a veto power in the security cancer. that's not going to work out. that you choose the don of time to make it easier. ball with russia. russia has lots of nuclear bombs already, so that, that is not going to work with russia is. so if you like, the states wants to fight russia and they want to do that, as you said, they need to find an excuse. and i think that's why they don't want the wall in ukraine to finish. because if there is a settlement, then you are not going to be able to use ukraine to put pressure on russia. and that is why if you go back a few years ago, the united states did not want the misc agreement to go through because that's
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without solve on the problems. and then ukraine would not have been able to be used as a stage to attack russia. it will cost difficult, but the problem with that rationale is that the warning the freight is putting pressure not only on russia, but pretty much from the rest of the world. because we see that in the form of skyrocketing field prices, in many, many countries that have nothing to do with russia or ukraine on filling the pinch . now you've been pretty open about your use that you believe that these conflicts in your credit is changing their current world order and that is pushing it towards the more multi polar arrangement with different powers are going to compete with each other. do you think that new arrangement, whatever is going to be if you think it's going to be more or less violent than what we have at the moment. you know,
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going to the transition. we had the bipolar world or this is 2nd world war. you have united states and the soviet union, then after the end of soviet union, americans thought they're going to have a uni polar role with the united states leaving that being that when this was about people like francis fukuyama talked about in the history debate among scholars there's what americans wanted to do was actually achieve there are some people who believe that. busy americans never could establish. ringback really pull out some people who believed they did it for maybe 15 or 18 years from the fall of the soviet union and 2007 or 2008. and so these are the based on that. but what you
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know now is that the world is moving towards the most high polar system. and during this transition, you're going to see more difficulties. so you'd like to see countries trying to find ways of improving their chances of actually being a greater power. then the new world order is that should be settled down now. but as i, as, as we move away from this western centers system or as the system continues to disintegrate, do you think they will ever be a moment when countries like, let's say iran, russia been his elder and other nations that have, have had the experience of being sanctioned for a prolonged period of time, do you think they they will come to a point of appreciating that experience because it made them more self sufficient? could it saves them some pain as the transition period continue because
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it's got this transition. i think over the green is going to be painful for many members of the international system has been on those factions since 979. since lucian is so used to sanctions and that experience of being on the sanctions and also continue to live and continue to prosper. and has done a lot in terms of building things that you needs because of sanctions. a lot of especially high tech devices. ringback are not able to be sent to you, don. so scientists in manufacturers manage to build a lot of things internally in the rely outside sources. it's going to be more difficult to do that. but once you do that,
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then you're going to be self sufficient. that is why, for example, the military does not depend on the time from outside. they make all the things that they want internally. and that is going to be important, as you said, using this transition type, sanction to us 5 odyssey to cause difficulties for countries that are not following us dictates. and the more self sufficient you are, the less those factions are going to help you. and the more cooperation you are seeing amongst sanctioned countries. so for example, we had the huge rush and dedication in just a few days ago. united russia relations are going to be much more now since the common problems are common enemies. and i think the same thing is going to be true with other countries that the us feels they need to pressure pressure. i,
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you mentioned before that they, if we accept that they seem direct confrontation between russia and the west or russian, the united states was intentional, was just a matter of finding the right pretext. d. think all those ripple a fact that the global economy is witnessing or, and the american economies also with this thing, do you think that was sort of faster then? because the americans are now facing unprecedented inflation, which is adding to already preexisting social pensions and all of that will be crucial mid term election by the ministrations approval ratings are among the lowest things in history. so do you think all of that was also, you know, part of the plan? you know, you may have heard that you need it. i for the harmony has called the u. s. government mafia regime and been you study how the us government works. you. busy realize that people interest the us citizens,
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interest, citizens of europe, interest, other people's interest is not really the 1st biography. the 1st priority for american politicians is to get to the elected. and they get elected by raising millions of dollars and oil companies, big manufactures others in the cities that benefit from was quite happy. you look at what they are doing in the u. s. a stock market in the last 3 months. and so that is going to be a priority with american people. the suffered or not is going to be a concern, but it's going to be the 2nd, the consent of the people like president biden and other people who are in the white house. and that is why causing the kind of situation.
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and then they realize that not only people in the united states, but people in asia, in africa and other places are going to suffer. but american could care less about the suffering of the people. but they care about that make an official is basically benefiting the small, the other gene that they're running and washing. but professor is that, let me challenge you on this one because we both come from countries with a fairly large reserve war of resilience. you know, we've been exposed to hardship before, but the american population by and large, i used to living pretty comfortable lives. and i have a lot of friends in the united states who are, who have been used to conference and who bought into all this ideological rhetoric about freedoms and how the american government or the american society merican way of life is exceptional. but now when they have to pay what they have to pay the gas
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pump, i think perception that changing very rapidly, and you can easily see that they're called the poles that be sort of the social attitude in the united states are changing, maybe not dramatically yet. but a lot of people actually questioning whether what they've been told by their sources is indeed supported by the reality. do you think it's still business as usual in the united states this time around? or do you think perhaps they may have been change in the collective, not in the literature, but in the way the collective decide to proceed. what leadership is doing. you know, that's a risk that us government took. they wanted to do this very much if you look at, for example, around reports and the think thank in the united states. they published a report in 20193 years ago. talking about this is the title of that report. they say, well, they're reaching and unbalanced in russia. so,
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especially democrats in the united states after 2016 election, the early wanted to cause serious harm. russia, the country, russia, as a nation. and that's was a very important go. and then i can offer shows, you know, they rely on the propaganda machine that the corporate media in the united states provide. so, and then by shutting down independent outlets that are not controlled by the media. us media like like r t a, so sitting content that is not in line, that is a foreign policy both. and then i'm sure you and your family prior to that a few years price. because yes, the network was also essentially ostracized. them taking off international airways
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because it was broadcasting something that wasn't in line with the american mainstream. but i tell you, it took a couple of years for the u. s. good to go to that process. and they did to russia and outlets in a few days, but they did to couple of years. it took them just a few days to, to attack the rush and media. so going back to your question, do this list that the american officials took that they taught that maybe the corporate media in the united states would justify all the harm that's going to be chaise by the american people. and to be honest with you, i don't know when there's this level of propaganda is going to actually work or not . you have a segment of the american population. that is, yeah, i think what divine an administration is doing is powerful to the united states
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as a country. and there's a segment that is basically following the propaganda to them. i guess we will have to wait and see, but for the time being, let's take a very short break. we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. ah mm mm ah
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ah ah ah welcome back to well, the 4th with bought is id professor of political communications at the university of tech from professor before the break. we were talking about the risk that the divide and administration took and trying to over extend and unbalanced russia. and i think it was a saw an ancient greek story teller who weren't about dean capital for what one wishes for last it come true. i think it could be argued that the biden
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administration did that more to itself than to rush over expanding and balancing. but anyway, do you think they may initiate more geopolitical flareups a while in office, for example, in china or taiwan? or do you think they've got enough on that plate for the time being you know, americans are capable of doing all the things that you mention. and i actually was quite surprised and i listened to 20 blinking speech of what china just a few days ago. and there were people in the united states that are doing that, and china could play a role by helping russia and fight this edition. it's coming from the united states. and there were some people who are arguing that good policy, a good policy is actually causing difficulties between russia and china. and when i listen to mister lincoln, i realize that they are actually making
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a decision of putting pressure on china at the same time. i think russia, which is, i don't think it's my decision, but american officials are also not making my decisions in the past. and the result is that, i think the chinese yellow american succeed in this campaign against russia. china is going to be next. and that's very important. now, on the other hand, there was, the situation with russia were creating more emphasis. invoices, there seems to be for the resumption of the iranian nuclear talk. they're in motion again. and while i understand what's in it with the americans, doctoral iran, there's a large oil producer and we already mentioned b, you know, the discontent, that american voters, when they come to the gas station,
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what i cannot understand is what's the need for iran? why would your country need another agreement with americans that could be easily revoked by the previous administration by this, by this next administration? rather, that is why you have a need as really kosh about him. and is this america saying that you for me, once? shame on you for me twice, shame, shame on me. so they don't, i don't want to be sort of see the same problem again. like the american b rains are actually starting the full lower and relying on some of the american fork wisdom. and you know, if you have some of those same, i don't know, my knowledge of russian is not that great. so i don't know if there's something similar to russian, but a, i expect, you know, this is, this is a very large something to do. and, you know,
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given that fact leaders realize that competing with russia in the oil market is not going to be a good policy. i think the majority of it, i think that having some sort of cooperation with russia because this is what the americans do. they want to push on to position that russian government is not going to the police. so they sabotaged united russia relations. but i think he does utilize the fact that competing with russia and energy market is not going to be something good. because no matter what americans tell you the gender, the don't do what they say and they do other things. and this is the experience we have had for the united states in the last 4 years. the rain talked surrounding the rainy nuclear problem have been going on for so long and various
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iteration that it's hard to understand what the center on for the time being other still about your suppose it intention to have a military application of your nuclear technology or are they essentially about the mon, the pain that then the west can legitimately subject iran to what, what is it the center of those? so, you know, one called them major problem that we have is that based on the 2015 agreement, j. c, u, a, the united states and other members of the 5 plus one that they do not. 3 in tissue national, the comic relations that was, that's what, that's what the loan was supposed to get done, would get severe limitations and peaceful nuclear program and other side would stop sabotaging economy internally or externally. and in reality,
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what happened was that they, they never really followed that article out of the agreement and then top left. so let me just clarify for our audience the agreement was signed. but the, in the practical trends, many of the international bank still refused to do business with iranian enterprises. so you never quite read the rewards that were promised they were on paper, but they never came to being materialized. that is a tool. and now what they want to do, what happened during the tough administration was that they put part of military under sanctions, the big, the called, the military, a terrorist ation which has never been done before. and then they put that part of us military under sanctions. and the aim was to sabotage whatever the next administration in the united states decided to do. this
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is what people like robert maggie was needing. the american team was saying at that time that the, the top administration is doing things to make the 2 g c, p. a very difficult now. 1 that these people are in power, it seems they want to continue the sanctions that some created. so there's this addiction to sanctions that you see people in the white house have and they want to continue with that addiction. they want to achieve that sanctions and the problem that is that this gives them a tool to basically sanction anybody in iran as the english because they can just say that this person is linked to the military. and then that's, that's how the sanction that person. so by keeping us middle city under sanctions, they want to actually have
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a role of not doing what they're supposed to do under the agreement. and that's what you'd be there. ready cautious if you'd like to what's going on. now, speaking about their reading leaders, you already mentioned the speech that i told him many gave a couple of weeks ago in which he talked about the need for the muslim world. and specifically, iran not to be sidelined as the world moves or tries to take in you shape not to by line. does many muslim countries were after the 2nd world war when the current system was, was forming. how do you think the muslim world or the my which lets me there's also divided across national 6 terry and political life. how do you think it could bring its weight to bear on international politics? i think what you have decided and you're hoping that other muslim countries do the
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same is to actually have alliances and networks with countries. natalie, this thing us him and answers my question and china and so the cultures are different religions, a different cultural backgrounds are different, but it is a common threat to humanity in washington. and us policies are causing lots of difficulties for organ. if people are around the world, so this is the hope that we have that country that realize that countries that have the option of not full following us. you need to do that under us pressure. we have in this part of the world, the. 2 have countries that have us thesis inside, inside the country. it's difficult for them to make in the end the policy decisions
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. but for countries that are relatively less dependent on the united states, the hope is that having network in the coalition of countries that are going to resist that pressure that's coming from the united states and developing discussion of business. that's why a lot of people admire what the russia is doing now, because russia and b this, she finally decided to say no to this aggressive policies that was coming from, from the best that needs to be have that needs to be that needs to continue. and then our job in, in countries outside russia is actually to join forces to make sure that us him when he is going to. and so let me, professor, is that correct me? if i'm wrong, i don't think any country can afford to take such a rebel is stands for cultural or your political reasons. but what i'm also seeing
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over the last couple of months is that many of the old rival resort i'm, if you said being rephrase that many historical grievances between countries, let's say india and china or russia and turkey, iran and some of the goals phase. but i think these rapid changes in the international system that they've been discussing through the program today. of course, in many of the countries to sort of think outside the box. do you think that can also happen closer to your home? do you think that could be any rapprochement between the sunni and the sheer world to that would be indeed a grade that towards making the muslim world and it's waived on. busy international politics felt, you know, you don't have been trying to do that since the 1979 stomach revolution. you don't have been supporting palestinians that you know and suddenly muslims, and you don't actually think a lot of the high price of supporting purchasing is especially with military
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technology so they can defend themselves against israeli. are probably thing else a waiting international politics. it's a, it's a very painful issue, but that influence is not that big. if we take, let's say the golf monarch is like the saudi arabia or the amorous has been very interesting to watch that the subtle changes in the politics of late, how they relate to china, how they relate to the united states. do you think there's any interest in that in tech rama? do you think around? can take it a bit further? i think, you know, have been so even before the current situation has been trying to improve relations with countries like saudi b, e, because you're under consider them to be enemies. you don't have enemies as enemies, the united states and countries like israel. so including traditions with the saudis and you're going to be important. and also as you know, in our neighborhood, you have to have extra relations with you. but as it was in,
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it's just a few days ago you reservations with countries like mod is excellent. you don't have good relations with iraq in august and i funded and others neighbors that you don't have. and relations with this country is depends on how much the well to hollow us. li, mcfadden and you eat have been historically clients of the united states. and as you said, as they realize that the us is inclining power, hopefully they develop more independent 5 policy. and if that happens, the united relations with this country is significant. well, let's keep our fingers, i trust with that as well as with the rest of the world professor, it's been a great pleasure talking to you. thank you very much for this opportunity. thank you. thank you for watching hope you're here again. well. busy the part ah
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with mm ah ah .
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what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time to sit down and talk with .

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