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well, it's like it will create a also, it will affect the narrative a on the social media platforms, as well as this can lead us into a bigger thing, which as their condition of the oversight board over the last year, which is the, the common did that there should be an investigation on how the arabic content is being moderated and how the heap of content is being moderated because of this kind of of censorship that we've been talking about for years now. and now, and it's been like over when year and a half since may uprising i down to one year and a half. and till now we didn't see this and this to the 4th. and mr has postpone that to wise the publishing video for so we are still waiting and we can't wait. yes. you bet. report and those recommendations because we've been talking about that for years now. no, no, thank you so much for speaking to us today. we've been speaking simona style advocacy advisor, the arab center for the advancement of social media. thank you for your time. thank you, and thank you for joining us here in our see international as always,
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plenty more to be found on our website r t dot com. but we will be back in 30 minutes with you then. huh. ah, welcome back to will the park with and frame in for president of the jerusalem institute for strategic studies. professor in bar, one of the proposed gold rush and military operation in ukraine. he's the so called to see cation and i have to say that when i 1st heard this term, it sounded very odd and artificial. i think it was the russian speakers a couple of weeks to even learn how to pronounce it without stumbling. having said
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that, do you think nason or fashion has ever been a problem in more than day? you're praying a modem day. remember who i did was that was the nazi, but i do, i do not know enough about the you know, the politics. so claim today to be able to respond to it. i must say, you know, this sentences. ready sounds very strange toward the western ears and even here and it's the way we have, you know, a launch a russian population. a, i think a, you know, if i would have to advise mr. put in i, i would advise him to use a different sentence to justify his the now can i brought
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in this out towards the issue on nasa because i think it rests on, on 2 pillars. so, why mean i, you know, exceptional or secret nature of any given? and the 2nd i think is the, this issue of the, of the end of history. that history has some pre determined more. and as we know, people are, was trying to bring that about, is that a concept that is being reliable? not only let's say in your brain, but also more broadly movies that you consider most of the chosen people. so and nobody, you know, things that any of those and that's it. but you know, many nationalities, things out. and so this is about the list. and again,
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i think it, this choice of who owns it was not as a best one. you mentioned that the just consider themselves the chosen people that you're not trying to impose your way of life and you're quite restrictive about who can join your, your people, rules for that. but when we look, let's say in the american constitution, they not only defined themselves as exceptional, but also see themselves as a, the ultimate judge, almost the replacement of god. i wonder if this russian, american rivalry over the years is partially spiritually based over whether one country can be the ultimate just what, what is good and what is evil in international affairs. i refrain from making normative judgments. but it's, you know, every church believes that and it has a direct line to,
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to gun and a christian it though. so america it, which is actually becoming less and less. so it is not for different form of i will know when that was in the center, not the specialist was the orthodox church in russia, but they believe there is a revival in no, it's all in design. you know, it's coming back. absolutely. but i think any self conscious nation wants to build its own, you know, have only jerusalem of that for sure. but i think very few nations, in fact, only one nation plays that. you know, this is the one you only have only jerusalem. you know that. and the russian also allows for the multiplicity of gardens. the question is whether the americans are
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ready to leave, even after these are you pregnant crisis, whether they are ready to accept that they can be a multiplicity of developmental pass in the world. and that not everything and not everybody will play to that tune. i want agrees that so is the missionary stain in american foreign policy. and this is why we have those complaints for democracy and the campaigns for human rights, which actually blue ridge, national interest of the united states. and this is part of america and 0, some positive sinks about it though some negative things about it. but this is towards that, so is a mesh mission of israel, sometimes in american foreign policy and which is not prismatic, when you displace too much of this type of desire will be moral and
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imposed. it's morality on the hello. now in one of your articles, he pointed out that you korean experience in the last $1.00 and $1.00 as you put in ruth, less russian neighbor. what will reinforce israel's believe in self protection doctrine that in the times of crisis, you can only rely on yourself even if you nominally have very, very strong ally. do you think israel will be the only country to, to draw? that's lesson or do you think there will be more countries that now? so relying on hooley, on, on the power of american deterrence, they think we see in the middle east the clear with development in that direction because americans are signaling or the so we have ministration. obama tom and does
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a by nurse questions that they don't want to be as i may please. they want to retreat and to focus on the chinese challenge. and as a result of that, her as outgoing feels particularly among those. so that boy will do seen countries said so willingly man without a shield against the hon. no, i do so. and as a result of that, of course we see and the alignment was excellent. and but is well definitely has less self reliance. milton, from the very beginning, this is also a jewish experience and i am disdainful as a you know, zone i, investor guarantees on up the world much and her, i think, same king as made the mistake. hoping that the westwood intervene on our behalf. and despite goes ahead, said the worst case providing to claim, but no single american soldier cost us so crumbled. can i also ask you about your
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a because your after very long pass, this is spell and now seems to be more willing to invest into its own designs. perhaps even a fence and that is very visible in germany. germany very dramatically rose and expand the truth. is that something natural to be expected or is it something to be well worried about the historical hindsight being made the mistake of the end of the call, believing that they are going into a paradise. and those are national security problems, so will be sort of after the defeat, those are soviet union. so of course that whole thing. this is a awakening for you. oh, i'm not sure i don't get to
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a less than maybe a failure. notice this dilemma between moto and guns. i may fail to be but the other than use the money for guns, but this remains to be seen but clearly. so there's a change of attitude in your many or countries. i'm on a show for national defense. i guess it's my final question a you mentioned this choice in butter and guns, and clearly there is also an economic damage that's coming to all sides from a very harsh sanctions introduced by europe and the united states. you mentioned before that your ultimate test for foreign policy is how well it serves national interest. based on that, do you think the policy of sanctions is good enough for the europeans because it
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seems to be hurting not only the russians only the europeans, but also much of the much of their will. that has absolutely nothing to do with that. you know, a, all the arguments didn't rush into, well, you know, we're really economic sanctions. we're really successful. and, oh, america, i, sanctions against iraq against cuba for many years and didn't change behavior of the g a country. so i need to suffer and to pay heavy price for continue was our policies a i don't really much is for as the sanctions will change those calculus. so fashion leadership and of course the may still be seen. we shouldn't forget that is a sanctioned how those those are with the you up in particular is dependent on russian n, o g, a russian weight. so it is so, you know,
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in every world we have 2 equations. one can cause a mold damage, but also another equation was the countries that can take a most hopefully no, for looking at history. i think her russia is displayed their willingness to a cost full well, what it believes, it's too well. i agree with you, but i also think that russia definitely has showcase capability to suffer a lot. but it also has demonstrated a willingness to reach some sort of a compromise with israel. tricky or many other contentious neighbors and partners. i hope the west can also learn from bad news. ok, possibly know why they've outcome will be the people on the station. ok. they treat
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it accordingly. delray has already announced he's not going to join, but they don't think so. russia miscalculated is a competence of its military forces, and that will set to the phone. you know, it's more power go crane. by then, no one said, you know, one more piece it's ok. so maybe this would be the outcome. it may be a bug met. you know, washington well, of the time being we have to leave it here. thank you very much for your insights. you're welcome. thank you for watching hope to see you again next week on with
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with mm ah, a history gravitating to some more has to be in the one of the most generative and most destructive western concepts. giving rise to rich johnny and sasha, both marxism and liberalism. with a conflict in your brain rekindling the only disputes about the right them, the wrong sides of history. channel russia and the west meeting somewhere in the middle to discuss with them now joined by a friend in barbara, president of the jerusalem institute for strategic studies. professor invites great to see you, great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. my pleasure. you wrote recently about the seemingly existential political needs to be perceived as being
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on the right side of history. if had to put a began to out of it and look at it from historical and perhaps psychological perspective, what do you need this righteousness? i don't believe the right side of the study basically is the history is written by the victim loans and the narrative that remains in the future is the one that is defined by the victim. by the way, hitler was not far from victory. if you would ever put more attention to the nuclear issue, rather than longer, that you might have been the victim. would it be the right side of his story about that? now the tensions between russia and the west, especially over ukraine, have been building for quite some time a couple of years,
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no decades. and yet when i interview western experts, they always point out that the russian actions in ukraine, however disagreeable they may be, are totally approval. they see this to, to and provoke, totally coming out of the blue. do you think that's a delivery that's the station, or is it a genuine blindness on that part that they somehow missed the last couple of years of the very 10 years relationship? it's been our side. i can understand. so for security dilemma, somebody's advice to defend himself and accumulates both military power to defend itself at the same time. oh jake is said to its name. so this type of situation saline i, i definitely understand the russian a desire for larger margins of security. a, we have to remember that nato expended is 12 closer to wash and
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both of those. and when it was promised, the company knew what else at the time. so, you know, this will not happen. i, i'm pretty sure that the nato doesn't. how about any offensive intentions? but at the same time it's really difficult to dismiss. that is a feel over shop and to have historic feel. so renovation from the, from the west. so this is precisely the problem of area security dilemma or in bar i'm you from here from west next prison. right. nathan doesn't harbor any explicit intentions. neither of you, russia, but, you know, looking at some of the recent action by major members in libby or in syria. you know, they, maybe they were not intentional, but they have not the last. i mean,
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is it really so crucial to, you know, have these written as a statement of purpose and once you attack russia, rather than, you know, we're seeing from the reality perspective and seeing what nature members have done militarily in recent history. i think and understanding was obama and well, i mean, we select the lessons in libya and the silly i think by the law says justly or not as it is a middle east. so a things that their belie to intervene. that is, americans disagree. and instead of sitting down and trying to divide, you know, divide zillow, this is, you know, part of this is my palm. and then i took my,
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exist as it was doing the called the law. and i think i am there is a understanding in the west on how to run a foreign policy. they become too liberal or have illusions about what the interaction relation to release and as a result of that misperceptions on both sides. now i take it from your writing that you take the fulfillment of national interest rather than morality as the ultimate measure of any policy you wrote that and then we'll be hearing that no country is allowed to gamble on its very existence. and i think that's pretty clear and how israel conducts itself on the international stage. but if we look at the ration from that perspective in russia had the choice and then to
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act militarily with ukraine becoming increasingly militarized and increasingly hostile to russia. this will allow him to clarify, a country has no white, no model to commit suicide. and then for a test to act upon its internet international, it's national interest. those choices, though is a choice to surrender or so. so i show obviously as many choices. and they chose to act mean it totally, you know, the. ready to defend its national interest in ukraine. and deb, this was following a serious little warning to the west, but so it was didn't, they could to speak. and i'm not making any judgment anymore. judge, i can understand their behavior overstayed that once we're able audio mode use of to kill it this way, once lounge, your mom and dad,
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i would like to point out that korean was to some extent. i was out caution when you leave next to a big bear like russia. you have to because that's all i have a chuckle about russia, russia being there. i think we're a little bit more civilized than leaving that. but you know, in that the perception, i mean, i want to ask you about a country with the addition of using full now you know that you can obviously go, yeah, absolutely. and israel is also in this by being much smaller. it's also a country that takes in survival very seriously, and you are definitely not shy about striking targets on the country territory. and i think to some extent, israel's, of course, projection projection relies on its adversaries knowing that some sort of richer
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vision is inevitable. so i want to ask you whether you think that the drastic actions that she's now taking in ukraine is that there at least partially conditions on russia being has a, tend to flip all as to your math and for way too long. have russia reacted earlier and more forcefully when the current prices have been avoided? doing things it could have been by. i'm ellia by saying that the state paying attention to russian security concerns. oh, so by the cube lease, well 1st, so crane in leadership and not the understanding that the soap and the anxious may go vocal russian sensitivities. and as a result, though,
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we have no, it will deny which is not the really nice thing. people lose their lives, cities i will destroy, but this is this spelt of wall. now within the western camera, it has a very interesting position because it tends to walk along side many western resolutions condemning rushes behavior, but it is also not dismissive of russia security concerns what the israel game or the israel or ration now in this conflict i'm is really clue own on hand. we also know dependent as united states or what's, what's the cause of pretty well. and there we are going to want to be american care was out of hand. and not file form will i leave, am zillow sion, sammy in celia. and though we reach an agreement to coordinate to
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our military actions, there was a very mr action from syria against iranian thong. it's, which is something which is extremely important to his national security. and we want to make sure is that this circle with the nation, a continuous, which is dependent upon a russian good will in the national interest a. so we try to balance our no participation in, in what schools are western cam. it was set a realistic position, this a v o n, our neighbor, which is a neighbor and to have to take it into consideration. we are not acting idealistically. i think they general now to cove is really fond policies around 20 take. and as a result of that, we are trying to balance those through interest,
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which is not going to be that india is doing the same amount of countries. so doing the same without the loan in what you call this game. and you both and to have to take into calculation. it's national interest. and when we did it, you mentioned russia presence in syria. and i think one out of can you to mention here is turkey. and i think you would probably agree that in syria, russia was both, are accommodating, it was respectful of both turkeys and israel's central security considerations. but it also could be power on some of the actions when, when it deemed them this. so that allows me to conclude that at least with israel and turn in syria, russia has learned how to differentiate between the, the various uses of power and, or why didn't work the same way with your brain go. so i agree was there was
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a when they decided to intervene on a dig into a situation as a is wally and play a a new claim for basic is always know it currently those sheep. and which is that, and i would say to know until i shannon and namo it was ideal for being part of the view. it has didn't play a game. and as a result of that, and as i mentioned, this is one of these before. so we are witnessing now since i mentioned turkey, you know, that it's a very challenging partner for both russia and israel, especially under prime minister and i'm at a prime minister. yeah,
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that's my mistake president. how could i forget that? but anyway, he's been in po, wait till quite some time. is it really which way? here. he's in powerful way for quite some time and 2001. yes. and our countries have gone through the periods of acute crisis and very pragmatic relationship. and we managed to restore some sort of partnership after the very precarious incident back in 2015 when the church shut down a series, which was taken in moscow as a, as a staff in the back. and yet, it's worked towards restoring some sort of a pragmatic relationship. good serve as a model for, you know, future adversaries to that serve as a model for either russia and ukraine going forward, or perhaps russia and the way going forward. basically my knowledge and
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this is what we see developing is that is again between the united states and its allies and the, and i am and does a lot of times when i make i had a different leadership and a i differently the blows the flag, the united states doesn't have a kid you at this times that understands international politics, understands politics and understands that sometimes you have to accommodate your lease. because they have ran national interest and day in international relations. unless you are extremely strong, you can get everything present in bar. we have to take a very short break right now. we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. ah
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hm . mm. mainstream narrative on ukraine gets taken out by the un, which makes that many more refugees have been crossing into russia than having was as a you implemented emergency plan. because last gas consumption by 15 percent to compensate for the energy prices and australian presidential candidates house on t that europe, policy of functions against russia is to play that excuse a freak. and that is what you're in the characterized as to european with south africa. one be pushed around, that's the message from the countries talk diplomat. this comes as washington tries to woo africans.


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