those numbers of children to that, that's in guns, a queuing the bread, the us. and it's the best way to colonies emphasize israel's rights. while president trump tells $15000000.00 men women and children and to run to evacuate in the middle of the night, as often as scientists and children killed within discriminant, major weapons, israel off to mass killing of john list and gaza, has struggled to control the zine is propaganda bombing runs main t v station and imposing blanket censorship in israel at the time of recording kind of tools. the gab it'd be us director of national intelligence is still in post. despite her boss donald trump on apple is one thing. he didn't care what she said. gavin had said us intelligence shows. iran was not seeking a nuclear bomb, many in the run and all around the global south will that wonder why not in london again is daniel levy. veteran is really piece negotiator on the hood. brock and you tag for being you kind of besides as the president of the us middle east project. daniel, thank so much for coming back on. so it's finally happened of the. yeah,

been bombing emmon, building lebanon bombing, syria. we have nuclear armed israel back by the united states, britain and the european union nations opposed by the arab world, opposed by the u. a where i'm speaking with you from a, there's a war on iran while the execution camps go on in gaza. why? why indeed, option and i think he's tall lead set out the backdrop to this. yes, we can stop by looking at what he's riley's been doing over the last year, plus it's weakened, some of the deterrent that, that iran is established. so it felt like this might be the time before around can restore some of that even domestic capacity regarding it so spaced. but i think that one can look at that military equation. one certainly shouldn't take too seriously what the is ready. the government has been saying,

which is iran was not seen to. ready weaponized against nuclear program. you quoted the chelsea gap, all that and neither the american nor any other intelligence agency in the world has made that designation these raise. it provided no evidence. so let's look elsewhere for the reasoning. and i think we don't have to look much feel, i mean, isn't negotiate to yourself. connect, i can, i'm sorry, go ahead. yeah. no. so just to say where i would, i don't think you go too far wrong. if you stop by looking at these ready domestic political equations. so let us but 1st say that there is route a as a prime minister, who is the last john salute when it comes to being in a position where he can win an election. do you manage to stabilize and be in a position where he can stay in government, but he hasn't positioned himself to i'd see when an election of these writers approaching the starting line over the election. number one, number 2,

you do have to shift the narrative away from does not say you are about to see, see israel's allies turning on it. but the extent of the transparency of the genocide, all intents and actions was being difficult to manage. it doesn't take very much to get your west and allies back, say israel's right to self defense, even though it's the dresser to get to get them back saying we stand with this route. so he has succeeded in doing that. and thirdly, this is a bout something much bigger, which is kind of the establish itself as the weekend a little hagaman, while at the same time, it is pursuing ever more radical destabilizing. let's be on this extreme, messy on this ways of conducting itself in the region, and that's only when they talk about more light. so yeah, a point taken about netanyahu and his same and a jailing perhaps of a corruption, but as a negotiator under to his really bright ministers. you know,

focusing too much on is right. there's another messianic constituency in another country as you to the united states. what about the summer, suspecting that the so called deep states, i know it's a rough time as always wanted this to happen. the iran was on that list outlined by general as the clock. and you're giving israel too much credit for this whole operation. this is always the plan interviews, any american presidents, and they using this one as the precursor perhaps to china. and trump is at least being able to pivot away from the ukraine. a situation in the, in eastern europe, in order to, to pivot away from that is given the way this, which is what they always one today. attack on iran, the destruction of the uranium government before the break stream is finally over. so it's an interesting question. where does primary agency

in this, like i would say the follow up is ro, conspicuously failed to get america to initiate for decades. despite the fact that same constituency, inside the us evangelicals neo conservatives, some of the whole cation, military establishment, some of the military industrial complex, would have liked for this to happen, for an awfully long time. and that's why i would talk you shouldn't that the primary agency and instigation not initiation. like with knots and yahoo don't use right inside the box. you all right to point out that he would not have taken the action if you didn't get the green light from washington. and so we all stuff selves the question why now degree like for washington, many of the factors that we've already just mentioned come into play to look, i think this is a president who won. shouldn't underestimate the gullibility of the top

level. you put an easy argument, simple argument in simple terms. we're ready to go in and do this, mr. president, negotiations a stop because you have an established enough of a threat to section on the radian side negotiations of stock elsewhere. this with i'm sick things because that's a totally fallacious way of understanding album negotiating process a might on the phone. but i think that's what they've gone with. secondly, never underestimate the extent to which israel has so many multiple points of accessing in fluids in the us. and that, of course, they fell on very pride and ready and eager e as in making this argument say, and the question becomes how confident was not 10 yahoo. but in addition to providing defensive cover, taking out it radian attempts at a responding,

in addition to providing the political re cannot make etc talk about how cold. but it was not so young that he could once initiate to this girl, the americans in merrill, militarily. as you've said, i've seen what talking at a time where it's extremely dynamic a, by the time you know, people see this. it may be that we've seen american village reactions. it may be the we have and what we do from the moment we're discussing this is the ease route is doing every to bring the americans in. it may take less than they assumed they may have assumed they needed to provoke. he ran up to the point of a ranch deep itself, or via allied militias, striking america. they may have felt they need to do a full flag operation. it may take less than that, but let's also it cannot at the same time, 2 things. first,

this is not an entirely easy, so in my go, right, we've seen this massive uh, food fight in trumps own constituency, a monkey support, as we know. but for many who put them in power, making america great again, as they call it, is not about making use route. whatever's role wants to be, it's america 1st notice real fast. so it's not an absolute slam dunk can not respect. i'm secondly, trump conflict on a dime. so as we're talking military action looks more likely, by the time we finish talking or people listen to us talking, it may be that there was a negotiation track open, i think is right, is making sure that the go sions all made is impossible because they can trying to suggest to trump and these people that offer a negotiation has to be a token of writing. could you lation they won't get that's trying to embarrass the

other side, trying to tell trump, but any desire to negotiate is assigned a witness. yeah, because i wanted to get onto the she ation, but as you say, you both flag the mega base already on social media of speculating about whether the us as an image will be the subject of a full flag. corporation is drunk, sends the aging aircraft carrier, they have it on that agency equation. i mean you were negotiate during the american robina, i presume you'd say that the equation of agency is changed. it didn't feel in tampa . and then also the, the united states was running the as riley's, it felt much more even perhaps, i mean, would you say that today? it's not the case that it's even, it is the american you having us saying it's the is really low being basically running a rings around the mega movement and the administration in washington. some would say it's the other way around. lindsey graham, perhaps that is the americans running israel. yeah. i don't

seek books. you couldn't drawer. okay, so nope. so then it did feel like and remember we're talking here about the, the palestinian file, so to speak. right. so it does feel like israel had a tremendous. ready amount of wiggle room of agency in that expect it would make the decisions you find when it came to that particular issue. many of of, of off those of us who were hoping that this had been entered into with an intent to actually get an outcome that could be to use that phrase acceptable on both sides could be sellable to him. and his rating complet could be sellable to a palestinian public acknowledging all the a symmetries, etc. but i guess the, the thinking then was america would have to weigh in an old israel's feet to the

fire to actually get this down. of course, the story of all is low if you like. for some people bone with the intentionality of re shuffling the deck of occupation and making it easy for yourself to continue . if you did a more generous interpretation to be intentionality behind it, then the story is the american on what? to how does rouse speak to the 5 major deal? what you're suggesting is the center of gravity in the us or the long was to make sure all of these rout didn't see land, didn't see territory. and that israel was this putative now attempting to actually become regional at the bottom in the middle east as, as an american backed entity. i don't think the van jellico was, we're quite as strong in the nineties and i don't think that will determining right now we so i think this is and what i'm suggesting is that only americans size,

they're all full says the pulling different directions when it comes to what they want permission. well, they want it to do what role they want it to play in that thought. yeah, i mean talk a call soon and the, the host a and c van and we're very clear that they want us to go by these individuals can't use any other tools. it seems to analyze the trump presidency, even if that's actually upwards. they said it's ridiculous that the old man tools would deliberately sabotaged by the trump administration. then trump knew that the attack on iran would be occurring was before the negotiators would do to meet the muskrats. yes, and you're not going to fall wrong if i think you hold the 2 at least 2 thoughts single tanks, which is number one. this is part of something deep be embedded in the d. c. blog.

the american system, in terms of how we ran is viewed, you made the broad a point that it's not just around, it's a continuum in the bricks weld in the shanghai cooperation organization. iran is seen in that mixed by the d. c. blog. so that's part of the story, but i also think one has the symbol tate is the whole the idea because i think it's relevant to all that know daniel levy, i'll stop you that more from before is really piece negotiated on it is really 5 minutes is edward burke and he had sac repeat after this break the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is

the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world will receive re washing as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deal. so just let me, let me on my have very quick propaganda. you know a price here in your i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the welcome back to going underground. i'm sitting here with daniel levy full, the is really piece. negotiate drawing department is disabled. we're not going to get tech. we're being in the presence of the us release piece project. daniella interrupted you when you were talking about this case where the dog is wagging the tail of the tail, wagging the dog. yeah, yeah. so let's, you know,

i've never underestimate the extent to which america intentionally and sometimes just through plain old ignorance of misperceived. it's a, it's, it's a, the stories. how it reads the, well, they've been do many times. and i don't think each one of those has been intentional. i don't think they intended the rock to be the debacle that it was. so that's one piece i do, but by israel because then yeah, who is telling george w bush to do that. but again, i did an option by this combination of israel. i'm people who are some, israel is useful idiots inside the us, but all this saw all this i see is rather be useful idea like great that we've got this low be we want an america. let's during these things and we go is route to, to, to come in and, and make the case and have a constituency to box it, etc, etc. what i'm suggesting in the current situation is one also has to factor in

what i mean. it's fair to say all the peculiarities of the trumpet, the strange, and therefore we should understand the that on the stand, think of the material, the, the depth of familiarity, the extent of the learning. what it is that talking about with the radius, who the indigo shake, with what realistic parameters. all you know with coffee is 0 for 3. ok, garza iraq. you crate less. one assumed he was sent to fail on order. i don't necessarily think he was. i don't think he was, he doesn't have a team of wise people around him because you have this particular situation where it seems that the president himself, it could go either way. so then you need yeah, cruise influencing negotiate to do they know what they're doing. yeah, these right, the white glove had a big attain that'd be filled with the state to see

a law side operative people have actually applauded the fact these alone disability in the real estate man. and he was able to stop the kenning and gaza when the, the, you know, you ration a good for donald trump. it shows he's able to do what happened. but well, what happened? what happened there is that nothing? yeah. who looked at this, he said, i don't want to get on the wrong side of this administration. a soon has been they, they go into the weeds. they go, absolutely. bamboozled, took his ready choking ports, turned them into american top. of course, what happened on a wrong similar, so it's the, it, it, it is the advantage of this way. i'm not beholden to the regular d c blog types, but the advantage doesn't hold if they are then so easily led by the nose when these riley site libya. mo, now does what? 0 in richmond, when these riley sites instead of a mom. next round the tools, we'll balm and then they'll come to amman in

a week 2 weeks would that tell between their legs? they didn't have the small. if i actually want to deal, they didn't have the spots to say, no, that's not how it works. so i, one of the things, this is the because of the peculiarities, if this has ministration and this goes back again to wherever is agents. because of the curiosities of this administrator and all i get the sense that nothing yahoo felt he was on the backs foot because the president went to the region and he went to the gulf and he went to a you on 2 neighboring states, saudi and cuts off and this is where he liked to be and he didn't go to his route. and when he came away from the gulf, he came away with his wallet stuff and he knows that he goes to is right. he has to stop empty is wallet to put it bluntly, and these really didn't like to be in that position. nope, because it was going to be massively necessary to use against them in the short time. but it is a change and i think nothing. yahoo for i have to challenge that. but i think

that's paul. what we're seeing going on. yeah, i don't know about the reporting over there in britain of what's happening. i know the prime minister, the as it gets down and keeps just going on and on about israel's right to self defense. and what about any breach of article 51 of the un shots here, and i know of the japanese financial times. the israel claims control of terror on skies, just repeating this kind of stuff and the reporting that the united i remember it's where i'm speaking to you from and saudi arabia, both the places trump visited. they have condemned what israel is done and that the straits of all moods maybe, maybe shut by the time this is broadcast. and these will effect tension is and, and the poor in britain, in western europe. yes, i think the media and the political class have been leading with this. now. they haven't. i thought for a 2nd because he was at the bbc today program during the iraq w. m. d. does off stuck a source. david kelly was that he died. i,

i don't know for this war and they run what they brought up beslee so that you are seeing. i see another example and it came out to me very powerfully with the statement issued by the g 7. trump couldn't wait to get out of that, but nonetheless, a came together to issue a shameful ridiculous statement. didn't mention israel as the belligerent aggressor didn't mention that you draw has a nuclear weapons program. it's not an m p t. secretary, it was, is your out, it was that happy place is right as victim is what was right to self defense. the rest of the wrong what it felt like, and it's echoed it the media. and that's where the political classes it felt like they all again, was cutting themselves off from the rest of the world. europe is totally march and ice itself throughout the the atrocities and the war crimes. it is rather the

committee in gaza. they have failed to find a narrative and a set of actions that make them any think that was relevant in a world in which the international multi lateral architecture and the international legal structures still have any salience. and they have done that yet again, because as you note, there are things to do with i a safe guard protocols up for states getting the m p t who do have a right to super union richmond. what do you, what has done is extremely dangerous, and that respect to a violation of those safe cods. it's violated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the, not the state. again, a violation of the un shot. so it hits layer upon layer of, you know, this not being a serious set of actors and i think world increasingly sees it like when they ever

talk about those notes. and i do see most of the rest of the world, just as they have voted in a different way and un garza does not want to see the kind of radical lising destabilizing actions. all these really state knows that they want to see it being enabled to do that by the west and not a position that you're talking about in the reach. and those issues barely register in the media and the political cos except of course, uh there's a militarily ministry, all position that can be expressed. there's no mutual defense back between rusher and around between china and iran, even though how close they are with that country. do you think anyone would want to negotiate with the united states?

let alone israel ever again. i mean, the russians made the case about the minsk agreements being violated. kaylee, these are mine toolbox designed for the i a, a, a after the i a, a report. although they are on said that most ed had infiltrated i a, they produce some evidence, some papers about that, which hasn't been covered very much. you're a former, negotiate to what is the point of negotiation? is it only because of the other policy is terrified to be united states about well, i think people will show up. i think people will be willing to attempt to negotiate . i don't think that's a bad thing. i think people should always keep that option open. there's one common problem, a which is if there is such huge a symmetry and there is a basic monopoly on the go. she ation, which in the case of, for instance,

is route policy side has been the case with the americans. and if the monopoly negotiate to chooses to exacerbate the symmetry of power, rather than close that gap, then negotiations can never get anywhere to please around those it, it, it can act with impunity and do what it wants as a different i think element that has come into play here with the america is rather rand situation. i think this is potentially very consequential deep. it is clear. i don't think this was the case for the months of the talks, but it was clear that this round do you know, mom and the statements coming from the president, him saying we'll see what happens in the top. was used as a decoy. as of the section recognition to enable least route to have an element of surprise when it launched its attack. so i'm trying to be that. well, that's what we understand. that is, well, um,

well that's what i was alluding to earlier about the house and then the and the saying no, maybe that's impossible, comes up. never got so deceitful. well, that's what it looks like. that's what the evidence points and not direction that he did not use, right? these were going to do this. he didn't know when these ratings were going to do this. i need to chose to be part of these re head fake that it wouldn't be happening human, at least, to give his robi element. that's why the so called sequential in the immediate time is consequential in terms of what happens in the initial wave of strikes. but why is more consequential is, is do question the q x, which is what does it mean for negotiations? what does it mean for american mediation? what does it mean in all the places on the slope where people look at it and say, if i go into this process with the americans, what is that? what is the sceptics? what is the underlying agenda? and it is a coverage you act as to preemptively say, you know what,

i don't want to get into a position where america does me out like this. maybe i'm going to have to take a print election. so you are creating a marketing page as well. in the meantime, i do think that china is, is, is looking to many places in the world like the more reliable, responsible, mature, multilateral extra. okay. well just fine. and we've got a minute left. um, do you think uh, i mean, certainly people are going to think in different countries, but they need nuclear weapons in that kind of context of any framework, the future framework of negotiation would. would that in yahoo use nuclear weapons then as he gets more and more desperate of as, as a joke of radioactivity in this region increases, is that what we're looking at? will cannot be escalated, rely to and as well as a nuclear armed state, a new point out something this hugely important, which how do you now look at this? if you're sitting in on correct talking, how do you look at this?

if you're sitting in pakistan where nothing yahoo is threatening to back to standing you care program in the past. they have already been. exactly. no, i know. so what, so what do you now do? what we feel sitting in the goals? what this speaks to wi fi is the extent to which in its current incarnation moves and ever before the messianic extreme is of that state. you know, it is rails lead to talks about us the aquatic state with a genocidal agenda under weapons to deliberate. he seems to be describing his own state, what seems to speak to is a degree of overreach, which is a danger calls for the palestinians being i think, the kinds genocide that full the region for the world. i would argue for these rabies themselves as well. daniel levy, thank you. i think actually and that's the sure. well continued condolences of those suffering, the impacts of the u. s. u. k. u of bombing of gaza and iran will be back on monday

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