tv Historic Preservation Commission SFGTV January 2, 2022 10:00am-11:01am PST
>> clerk: good afternoon and welcome to the san francisco historic preservation commission remote hearing for wednesday, december 1, 2021. remote hearings require everyone's attention and, most of all, your patience. if you are not speaking, please mute your microphone. to enable public participation, sfgov is streaming and airing this hearing live. comments to comment on the item are available by calling
415-655-0001 and by entering the access code 2492-248-5957. when you hear your item of interest called, press star, three to enter the queue, and when you hear your line has been unmuted, you may begin unmuted. best practices are to call from a quiet location, speak clearly and slowly, and please mute the volume on your television or computer. i'd like to take roll at this time. [roll call]
>> clerk: thank you, commissioners. first on your agenda is general public comment. at this time, members of the public may address the commission on items of interest to the public that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except agenda items. with respect to agenda items, your opportunity to address the commission will be afforded when the item is reached in the meeting.
each member of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes. now members of the public, this would be your opportunity to speak to the commission on items not on today's agenda by pressing star, three. through the chair, you'll have three minutes. when you hear your line has been unmuted. -- unmuted, that is your indication to begin speaking. >> my name is autumn [indiscernible] and i will wait until the appropriate time to begin speaking. >> clerk: very good. you'll need to press star, three again. >> eileen morgan, [indiscernible] to speak. regarding the [indiscernible] library, i will quote excerpts from the article on the website, and i quote. san francisco's apple ton and
wolfson designed libraries were nominated for inclusion in 2009. large bond funded branch renovation projects were underway, including at parkside, so a request was made by the library commission to remove parkside from landmark consideration so as not to delay completion. on september 16, 2009, the historic preservation commission agreed that parkside met the eligibility for listing on both the national register and california register of historic places and warranted city landmark designation. the commission directed the planning department to calendar initiation of landmark designation for review after completion of renovations.
the parkside branch reopened in november 2010, end quote. this year, efforts were made by speak to restart the designation process. it's my understanding that the planning department will bring this item before the commission in the spring of 2022. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. last call for general public comment? you need to press star, three to be added to the queue. seeing no requests to speak from the public, general public comment is closed, and we can move onto department matters. item 1, department announcements. >> hi, jonas. we do have a couple of announcements today, but i'll go ahead and turn them over to
elizabeth gordon and sean keer. >> hello, commissioners. elizabeth gordon, planning department staff. both the row -- trocadero and the [indiscernible] are making their way through the commission, and hearing for the painted lady will be heard at the g.a.o. tomorrow morning. going onto golden gate park, we wanted to get back to you regarding concerns raised in a letter from the san franciscans for, i believe it's urban nature, related to the observation wheel at golden gate park. on november 5, planning department staff met with rec park staff to observe the operation and site conditions
for the observation wheel, and r.p.d. provided a brief summary, and as well, you should have received a copy of that, outlining how they are meeting the conditions. we have concurred that they are meeting -- they are consistent with your conditions and approval is being managed with that consistence. finally, i wanted to share with you that work has begun to reinstall the [indiscernible] band shell. we anticipate that work will be by the end of today, and myself and michelle taylor met with rec park staff to ensure that the work was meeting the conditions of approval, and
that concludes my update. thank you. >> clerk: thank you, elizabeth. if there are no additional questions or announcements from members, we can move onto item c, president's report and announcements. >> i have nothing, jonas. >> clerk: thank you. we will then move onto item 3, consideration of adoption of draft minutes for november 17,
2021. >> i move we adopt the minutes. >> second. >> thank you. seeing no questions or comments from members -- commissioner black, i am going to make you a panelist now. you are no longer on your phone, so you should be unable to unmute yourself. >> thank you. many apologies. >> clerk: on the minutes -- [roll call]
>> clerk: so moved, commissioners. that motion passes unanimously 7-0, placing us on item 4, commission comments and questions. okay. seeing no requests to speak from members of the commission, commissioners, i am pleased to inform you that we have no items on the december 15 advance calendar, and so i'd respectfully request that you make a motion to cancel that hearing. >> motion to cancel the december 15 hearing. >> second. >> second. >> clerk: thank you, commissioners. on that motion to cancel the december 15 historic preservation hearing -- [roll call]
>> clerk: so moved, commissioners. consider it an early gift to you all. that will place us on item 5, for case number 2021-009976-crv for the remote hearings resolution. again, commissioners, this is to allow remote hearings to continue. it's a bit of a moot point for the month of december, given that you just cancelled the december 15 hearing, but it is on your agenda as an action item. >> well, then i move that we do it. >> second. >> clerk: thank you, commissioners. on the motion to adopt the hearing resolution -- [roll call]
>> clerk: so moved, commissioners. that motion passes unanimously, 7-0, and given that this is going to be the last hearing for 2021, we should adopt your 2022 hearing schedule. item 6, the proposed 2022 hearing schedule is simply what is mandated as the first and third wednesday of every month. we generally don't look into holidays for the historic preservation commission. if there is a conflict, we can cancel as we move through the hearing calendar. any comments or proposals? motion to adopt? >> i motion to adopt. >> and i second it. >> clerk: thank you, commissioners. on that motion, then, to adopt your 2022 hearing schedule -- [roll call]
2301 san jose avenue, 321 linden street, and 245 hyde street. these are all legacy business registry applications. staff, are you ready to begin your presentations? >> i am. >> before you begin, i'd just like to add one comment, if i could. commissioners, elizabeth gordon johns here, planning department staff. i just wanted to let you know that we will have a new legacy business coordinator. [indiscernible] will be taking own from katie wilborn, who has been working very diligently, doing amazing work as a legacy business coordinator the last few months, and she has
translated all that information over to gigi, who has already started to transform her own work on the legacy business, and i just wanted to introduce gigi to you. thank you. >> thank you, and welcome. >> thank you, commissioners. gigi gunther, planning department staff. after the presentation, members of the public and business members will have a chance to make public comment. i learned everything about the coordinator position from katie, and i will miss her a lot. i will now turn it over to the
first presenter, alessandro, to begin the presentations. >> good afternoon, commissioners. alessandro presenting two legacy business applications today. the first is tia margarita, which has been a favorite gathering place for richmond families, friends, and neighbors. started by richard and janet hobbs, and passed down family member to family member, it is now run by their daughter and is a popular chies choice for local gathering does -- popular choice for local gatherings, and many employees have been with the restaurant for over
two decades. tia margarita is committed to keeping its physical characters. staff supports this application and recommends a resolution to add tia margarita to the legacy business registry. the next legacy business application i'll present is for performing arts workshop. performing arts workshop is a nonprofit arts and education organization that provides education and dance, poetry, and theater to more than 6,000 san francisco youth each year. founded in 1965, the mission is to provide critical thinking, expression, and performance through the arts. performance arts workshop is also fiercely committed to
equity. having worked in studios, streets, and schools in san francisco, it is now the in[indiscernible] helping to reimagine how our city's historic structures can be repurposed to provide vital services to the community. staff supports this resolution and recommends the recommendation to add the businesses to the legacy business registry. this concludes my presentation, and i'll turn it over to elena. >> hello, commissioners. elena moore, planning commission staff, and i'll be presenting the third presentation today. the third is tu lan vietnamese
restaurant, serving as a pillar of the south of market and tenderloin communities, offering food to customers who cannot afford it and participating in neighborhood street fairs and events. tu lan has garnered a reputation for delicious, affordable food through word of mouth and numerous features in local publications [indiscernible] and dined at the restaurant. tu lan is dedicated to preserving their traditional cooking from viet nam, the open kitchen set up, and the menu featuring a [indiscernible] staff supports
this [indiscernible] to the legacy business registry. the fourth legacy -- >> clerk: elena, i'm sorry. i'm going to interrupt you very briefly here. your wifi connection may be a little weak, and you're cutting in and out, so if i can just suggest you just basically turn your video off so at least you're audible. >> sure. does that fix the problem? >> clerk: well, you're not choppy, so i think yes. >> did you want me to repeat it or did you hear it well enough? >> clerk: i think that the julia child portion got a little chopped, but we heard that you were recommending approval. >> okay. the fourth presentation we have is for dark garden unique
corsetry. dark garden produces corsets, both ready to wear and custom attire. they produce corsets and masks, and clothing designed by local designers, as well. education is a pivotal component of dark garden, and the owner, known as the godmother of modern corsetry, has trained several hundred people. dark garden corsetry is a vital community business and has
served several communities, including the drag and lgbtq community. staff supports this application and recommends a resolution to add dark garden unique corsetry to the legacy business registry. this concludes my presentation. thank you. i'll pass it onto gigi now. >> good afternoon, commissioners. gigi gunther, planning staff. the fifth and final legacy business registry application is for hyde street studios,
first opening in 1980 at 245 hyde street as a multirecording studio, offering affordable pricing for recording, producing, and mixing services. hyde street services is the successor to wally hyder recordings and is known for producing the san francisco sound, with artists such as the grateful dead, jefferson airplane, santana, and credence clearwater revival. it is the longest running multiroom recording studio still running in the bay area. hyde street's clients are mainly bay area artists and
groups, although the studio has served big names in the punk rock genres including green day and tupac shakur. hyde street studios has continuously given back to the tenderloin and local and independent musician communities through lending its space for youth through local organizations including hyde street community center and youth california. staff is supportive of the application and adding the business to the legacy business registry. this concludes staff presentation. thank you. >> clerk: thank you, gigi. if there are no questions or comments from the commissioners, we should open this up to the public.
members of the public, this is your indication to press star, three and wait until you hear that your line has been unmuted. you'll have two minutes. >> hi. thanks so much for having me. my name is jennifer corwin of tia margarita. i'm going to speak fast because i have a lot to say. to be honest, i looked up the definition of legacy and it means to carry on the past. my grandmother was born in a small house in now what is known as hunters point. she was a true san francisco
native. her and my grandfather launched tia margarita in 1962, and you can imagine san francisco in the early 60s. despite being [indiscernible] in 1968, she still employed dozens and dozens and marched on. i consider tia margarita one of a very few cultural landmarks in the richmond district still standing today. i do use the word landmark loosely because i know you guys have very specific definitions for that, but it's a cultural landmark for me because we have the same name, it's the same family, and we still have the
same sign, and we don't take that lightly. the person that presented tia margarita -- as i stated, i am proud of us, but i am proud of the one cultural piece that tia margarita has on display in our main room. my grandmother, in the 1940s world's fair on treasure island got a mask from that fair, and they lived on the ceiling of the fairmont hotel for many years before she acquired them, and they are now on display. we have the neon marquis outside that is still standing in front. did i get cutoff? >> clerk: no, but that's your 30 seconds. >> okay. i'm really, really proud to be a part of this legacy that my
grandparents started. i'm closing in our 60 year, and i'm super happy that we're still in the richmond district, and i can't believe that tia margarita is 63. thank you, guys. >> clerk: great. thank you. >> thank you. >> my name is autumn [indiscernible] from dark gardening corsetry. in addition to everything stated in our application, i'm committed to preserving [indiscernible] skills [indiscernible] that are not being taught in fashion schools. in the interest of passing on these schools that i have learned either from
self-teaching or from senior instructors, these skills were passed on from mother to daughter, and while i don't have children nor learned anything from either of my grandmother, i've been lucky enough to pass on my skills. i'm a long time member of s.f. made, committed to preserving fashion in the city. by holding that membership, i'm contributing to that legacy. thank you very much for your time. >> hi. my name is jack kurtzman, owner of hyde street studios. i've been through my share of ups and downs, but one thing
that's always struck me is the passion of the industry. i'll keep this short, and thank you for your time and consideration. >> hi. my name is neela [indiscernible] and i'm the interim director at performing arts workshop, and i wanted one of our teachers and students to speak today, but they are at school right now, so they gave me some quoted to read to you. i've seen students that were shy in class full out dancing during our zoom classes like nobody was watching. one of the teachers says arts education is vital during this
crisis because all students need and deserve to be creative, expressive, and simply feel like a kid during challenging times. performing arts workshop staff love their craft and enjoy youth work as well as the collaboration between youth led agencies who focus on the development and success of all youth. and finally, one of our students, a sixth grader. i think the workshop should be a legacy because it's been around a really long time. it's even been around longer than my mom, and she's really old. we're honored to bring arts and education and cultural space and performance space to district 11. thank you. >> clerk: great, thank you.
last call for comment on any of the legacy business registry applicants? okay. seeing no additional requests from members of the public to speak, public comment is closed, and these items are now before you, commissioners. >> thank you. commissioner johns? >> thank you. this is a very interesting group of businesses. i only am familiar with one of them, which means i think i must get out more, but the one i am familiar with is tia margarita. i know that, in the materials that we got, there was some mention that jennie -- i'm sorry, jennifer corwin is not the original owner, so they needed additional documentation that the business was around for more than 35 years.
i remember going to a bicentennial celebration there in 1976. i can tell that commissioner matsuda is quite familiar with it, too. at any rate, i support all these applications. thank you. >> thank you. it's our new place to visit, commissioner johns. commissioner black? >> yeah, following commissioner johns, one of the things that i was struck again, once again, is how many of these legacy businesses started with an immigrant's dream, and then, it's passed down to the generations. the other thing is the strong relationship with the immediate
neighborhood or the bay area, and that's why they've all existed for so many years, is because of that strong connection. and i love the performing arts commission taking over the geneva card board building that was empty for so many years. it's two for one. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner foley? >> so i have a funny story about tu lan. i have been eating at tu lan since 1989. i used to own a bike store, and they used to bring their bikes over there and then ride them over to eat. i'm excited about all of these businesses. thank you. >> thank you. any other commissioners wish to share their comments? okay. i just have a few, if i can.
yes, i am familiar with tia margarita, and i'm sure that commissioner johns and i will make an appointment to go there during our december break. i noticed two errors on the report. gloria's name is spelled incorrectly, and supervisor safai's name is spelled incorrectly. for tu lan, it is definitely a gem. i thought the detail that was provided was great, particularly the story shared by jim woods, but i'm wondering if staff could maybe do some edits for the consideration of section criteria two. i think we could maybe be a little bit more positive about the description of the neighborhood, and then
possibly, when we consider templates of legacy businesses, considering one or all of them because they want to get a quick snapshot of the cost. for our unique corsetting small business, you know, i thought this was great. for small things, making things by hand, it's not really done in america, so to have somebody in the city here to do that and offer products to our city is great, and i just think the detail that's needed to make a corset, i've only seen one, never worn one, never owned one, but i know it's anart.
it's a cool shop, and i'm glad it's come before us. and also, i wanted to share with the commissioners that the city and county of san francisco is featuring an item called shop and dine in the 49, and all of these businesses are featured. i hope that all of you will have the opportunity to get out in december and follow the trolley as it goes from neighborhood to neighborhood to support small businesses. thank you. >> well, so we don't have a motion, so i move that these legacy businesses -- that we recommend these legacy businesses -- these businesses to have legacy status. third time. >> second. >> second. >> clerk: thank you, commissioners. and commissioner johns, i'm going to include the corrections and proposed
amendments that commissioner matsuda made. >> yes, please. >> clerk: very good. thank you. then on that motion to adopt recommendations on all of these legacy business applications -- [roll call] >> clerk: so moved, commissioners. that motion passes unanimously, 7-0, placing us on the final item of the 2021 calendar year, item 8, 2020-003803-des, as 1801 green street, golden gate valley carnegie library. staff, are you prepared to make
your presentation? >> i am. >> clerk: okay. the floor is yours. >> if i could just -- oh, [indiscernible]. >> okay. good afternoon, commissioners. molly bishop, planning department staff. before you is a request for landmark designation of the golden gate valley carnegie library located in the marina neighborhood. this resolution is included in your packets. the golden gate valley carnegie library is located on the
southside of green street between laguna and octavia streets. it's styled in the neoclassical style in 1918 by albert coxhead. a small addition was constructed at the western facade of the existing structure to how's an elevator to improve accessibility. the renovation preserved the character defining features of the library and do not impact architectural integrity of the building. on june 2, 1999, the landmarks preservation advisory board added 1801 green street to the preservation program along with six other library locations in
san francisco. [indiscernible] report included in your packets dated july 22, 2020. the department postponed recommendations to accommodation reduced library staffing capacity due to the covid-19 pandemic and staff serving as disaster service workers. library staff has reviewed and commented on the landmark designation report as well as submitted a letter of support dated october 18, also included in your packets. the golden gate carnegie library is [indiscernible] with its association with the having. having a social history in san francisco, its association with the carnegie industrial art program, established by an drew carnegie in 1886.
the period of significance for the property is 1918. the date encompasses the building's construction and the building's pattern of social and constructional histories. the commission requested revisions to the proposed character designing features. staff conducted a site visit and worked with library city agency staff to review the revised character defining features. library staff has been exceptionally cooperative and agree with the refining the following features. exterior cladding and ornamentation, cladding roof, buff brick at rear facade, main
entry doors with glazed panel and transom, west side terra cotta walls, and entryway steps. on the interior, original wood interior doors in the main reading room, antibiotic antibiotic remove -- reading room, [indiscernible] and architectural wood work including shelves, cornice over shelves, [indiscernible], trim over shelves, and plaster walls. the department believes the building meets the established eligibility requirements, and that landmark status is
warranted. the department is supportive of recommending the landmark designation of the golden gate carnegie library to the board of supervisors. this concludes my presentation, and i'm happy to answer any questions. i believe consultant bridget bailey is also available for any questions. thank you. >> clerk: thank you, melanie. if that concludes staff's presentation, we should open up public comment. members of the public, this is your opportunity to address members of the commission by pressing star, three. through the chair, you'll each receive three minutes, and when you hear your line has been unmuted, that's your indication that you may again speaking. >> good afternoon, commissioners. bridget bailey. can you hear me okay? >> clerk: yes, we can hear you. >> so thank you again for your
support of this landmark designation. as melanie mentioned, and after commissioner nageswaran's comments after the last hearing amending the character defining features, i just wanted to say i'm in full support of that. i will say when i wrote this landmark designation report, i modelled the character defining features off the list of the character defining features of the six other carnegie libraries, so at some point, i would encourage you to encourage staff to amend the other library designations to have more character defining features list. i know that might seem like a hurdle, but i think that's important given that the
designations of the other ones were done a little while ago, and they were very formulaic, and i'm hoping we can address this report. that's my comment. i'm hoping anyone has a question for me. i'm happy to answer them. >> clerk: okay. thank you. last call for comments from members of the public. you need to press star, three. seeing no additional requests to speak, commissioners, public comment on this matter is closed, and it is now before you. >> commissioner nageswaran? >> i want to thank staff for being so quick about
incorporating the [indiscernible] working with the library staff, and miss maille, i agree with her comments that this is such a gem, and if there are other character defining features on the other carnegie libraries to incorporate, that would be appropriate to do so. it may be that, in some of the designation materials, they may have listed some of those already, and it may just be a matter of highlighting those or making it known that those are already incorporated, but i thank everyone and appreciate it. thanks. bye. >> thank you. commissioner wright? >> yes. i want to also thank everyone involved for moving this
forward. it's been great, and i also wanted to point out in the summary report that we have, it looks like the draft of the character defining features does not reflect the updated expanded list. i'm not sure that that totally matters since it'll be incorporated into the document, but it might be good to update the summary. >> thank you. are there any other comments from the commission? okay. >> clerk: anyone would like to make a motion? >> motion to approve landmark designation. >> second. >> would that be with the additional items that commissioner wright mentioned?
>> yes. >> clerk: very good, then, commissioners. there's a motion that has been seconded to adopt a recommendation for approval with amendments submitted by commissioner wright. on that motion -- [roll call] >> clerk: thank you, commissioners. that motion passes unanimously 7-0, and concludes your 2021 calendar year. it's been a pleasure seeing you all remotely. hopefully we can get together soon, but enjoy the rest of the year off. >> thanks, everybody. happy holidays. >> thank you. happy holidays. >> happy holidays.
>> this is one place you can always count on to give you what you had before and remind you of what your san francisco history used to be. >> we hear that all the time, people bring their kids here and their grandparents brought them here and down the line. >> even though people move away, whenever they come back to the city, they make it here. and they tell us that. >> you're going to get something made fresh, made by hand and made with quality products and something that's very, very good. ♪♪ >> the legacy bars and restaurants was something that was begun by san francisco simply to recognize and draw attention to the establishments. it really provides for san francisco's unique character. ♪♪
>> and that morphed into a request that we work with the city to develop a legacy business registration. >> i'm michael cirocco and the owner of an area bakery. ♪♪ the bakery started in 191. my grandfather came over from italy and opened it up then. it is a small operation. it's not big. so everything is kind of quality that way. so i see every piece and cut every piece that comes in and out of that oven. >> i'm leslie cirocco-mitchell, a fourth generation baker here with my family. ♪♪ so we get up pretty early in the morning. i usually start baking around 5:00. and then you just start doing
rounds of dough. loaves. >> my mom and sister basically handle the front and then i have my nephew james helps and then my two daughters and my wife come in and we actually do the baking. after that, my mom and my sister stay and sell the product, retail it. ♪♪ you know, i don't really think about it. but then when i -- sometimes when i go places and i look and see places put up, oh this is our 50th anniversary and everything and we've been over 100 and that is when it kind of hits me. you know, that geez, we've been here a long time. [applause] ♪♪ >> a lot of people might ask why our legacy business is important. we all have our own stories to tell about our ancestry.
our lineage and i'll use one example of tommy's joint. tommy's joint is a place that my husband went to as a child and he's a fourth generation san franciscan. it's a place we can still go to today with our children or grandchildren and share the stories of what was san francisco like back in the 1950s. >> i'm the general manager at tommy's joint. people mostly recognize tommy's joint for its murals on the outside of the building. very bright blue. you drive down and see what it is. they know the building. tommy's is a san francisco hoffa, which is a german-style presenting food. we have five different carved meats and we carve it by hand at the station. you prefer it to be carved
whether you like your brisket fatty or want it lean. you want your pastrami to be very lean. you can say i want that piece of corn beef and want it cut, you know, very thick and i want it with some sauerkraut. tell the guys how you want to prepare it and they will do it right in front of you. san francisco's a place that's changing restaurants, except for tommy's joint. tommy's joint has been the same since it opened and that is important. san francisco in general that we don't lose a grip of what san francisco's came from. tommy's is a place that you'll always recognize whenever you lock in the door. you'll see the same staff, the same bartender and have the same meal and that is great. that's important.
♪♪ >> the service that san francisco heritage offers to the legacy businesses is to help them with that application process, to make sure that they really recognize about them what it is that makes them so special here in san francisco. ♪♪ so we'll help them with that application process if, in fact, the board of supervisors does recognize them as a legacy business, then that does entitle them to certain financial benefits from the city of san francisco. but i say really, more importantly, it really brings them public recognition that this is a business in san francisco that has history and that is unique to san francisco.
>> it started in june of 1953. ♪♪ and we make everything from scratch. everything. we started a you -- we started a off with 12 flavors and mango fruits from the philippines and then started trying them one by one and the family had a whole new clientele. the business really boomed after that. >> i think that the flavors we make reflect the diversity of san francisco. we were really surprised about the legacy project but we were thrilled to be a part of it. businesses come and go in the city. pretty tough for businesss to stay here because it is so expensive and there's so much competition.
so for us who have been here all these years and still be popular and to be recognized by the city has been really a huge honor. >> we got a phone call from a woman who was 91 and she wanted to know if the mitchells still owned it and she was so happy that we were still involved, still the owners. she was our customer in 1953. and she still comes in. but she was just making sure that we were still around and it just makes us feel, you know, very proud that we're carrying on our father's legacy. and that we mean so much to so many people. ♪♪ >> it provides a perspective. and i think if you only looked at it in the here and now, you're missing the context.
for me, legacy businesses, legacy bars and restaurants are really about setting the context for how we come to be where we are today. >> i just think it's part of san francisco. people like to see familiar stuff. at least i know i do. >> in the 1950s, you could see a picture of tommy's joint and looks exactly the same. we haven't change add thing. >> i remember one lady saying, you know, i've been eating this ice cream since before i was born. and i thought, wow! we have, too. ♪♪
>> the hon. london breed: good morning, everyone. i'm san francisco mayor london breed, and i want to thank you all for joining us here today to talk about public safety on a whole other level in light of the challenges that our city continues to face. you know, this has been a problem that has persisted in the city for sometime now, and the fact is that things have gotten worse over time, and i want to thank a