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call from a quiet location, speak clearly and turn down your television or ro. you may submit comment via e mail to ocoh..com sfgov.org. note this is recordd and available at sfgovtv. thank you. and welcome everyone. temperature is wednesday, november 16th 2022. our city our home retreat. we have all been craving time to reflect and enengage and discussion and think about our work ahead for next year. for the next 2 days it will an town for us to all think together about what are priorities. looking at the climate with our budget and being in community with each other, which is exciting. we'll draw together ideas from

initiatives that informed addition for ending homelessness in san francisco and using need's assessment to needs of people expressing homelessness and a city wide homeless strategic plan and yea, we know there will be challenged we need to identify our priorities for investments for next year. excited for the next 2 days we'll call to order with roll daul. member catalano. >> here. >> member cunningham-denning. >> here. >> vice cheer dan toneo. >> absent. >> member friedenbach. >> here >> recover leadbetter. >> here. >> chair williams. >> here. >> great. all right we have quorum and will do our land acknowledgment. we acknowledge that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland

of the ramaytush ohlone, who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their traditions, the ramaytush ohlone have never ceded, lost nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. as guests, we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors, elders and relatives of the ramaytush community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. thank you. i discussed when we look at the next 2 days. i think we will jump in to it we have a lot to cover i will turn it over to jesse. good morning. everybody.

i made a master deck and remembered all the slides the need's assessment it might be pleasant to [inaudible]. [inaudible] what you have. give me one second. okay you can tell me if -- it allows me to show. can you see the need's assessment? it is the need's assessment showing. >> yes on presentation mode. >> slnlts. will i'm communitiesing with

member reggio and d'antonio and they are problem solving. defense join us as soon as they can. [inaudible]. okay employss i'm going to provide an over view of the need's assessment you received on monday. and my goal is to highlight the significant upon cant findings in preppingerations for a conversation among the members. will be a few moments we can pause and ask questions or things like that. and i'm not planning on presenting every slide temperature is long and we want to make sure we get to the conversation and discussion which is really the purpose of the retreat. so. what is the purpose of the need's assessment. this need's assessment fulfills

the legislative to assess the needs of the homeless pop liegz and the demographic characteristic. this is the first and developed over the course of a year with multiple opportunity for the committee and the departments to give input and constructive feedback. we have gone over it several times. i will move long and we will talk about it more iffure interested. if you have questions. as you know the fund and the initiative uses a brood definition of homelessness. people who lack a fixed, regular night time residence. and aligned in [inaudible] nicely on the [inaudible] federal definition that is used boy different components of hud. you noticed references the categories throughout as a way

of indicating we are never possible. who are we talking about. i'm having trouble. most of the department our agency address the crisis homelessness or root causes across the full definition. and [inaudible] had to pull together information from a live variety of sources. homelessness and supportive housing and major's housing and community deputiment. planning department, the department of statsdz of women of san francisco school district and human services agency. i want to note and acknowledge that solutions to address the needs of people experiencing homelessness will require a collaborative effort across a

wide variety. tell take a lot to get this done. there are currently going on as chair williams recognized a variety of planning related to homeless knowledge. on the way now. and tomorrow this committee will have an opportunity to be engaged by d. homelessness and stake holdsers and offer guidance in their citied with strategic plan development. it is really exciting. the need's assessment contributes by centering the needs of people experiencing homelessness. i want to pause. i think that upon understanding the scale and variation of need people experiencing homelessness is the starting place for answering the most pressing questions about resource allocationless.

how much psh. starts with a question, what was the population like? how many people need psh? how much shelter? this number will be addressed throughout modeling and strategic planning press. but the realm between people's needs and system resources and they will credibility to the modeling of resources needed to strengthen the response to homelessness. >> who is homeless in san francisco? the root cause homelessness of the crisis social inequality and structural racism. i say this because the data cross all forms of homelessness show over representation of people of color. i look at over representation as

a way the data tells us and reflecting the existence of barriers to housing stability and hanging permanent housing and retaining housing over time. that over all representation a group is adverse real impacted by policy institutional practices and cultural norm and of course, this is both present but rooted in the past. privacy red lining well documented and discussioned in the last 5-10 years. we built racial discrimination into the landscape of the city. and enable divestment of opportunity from community of color. an opportunity to -- it impacted and benefited some communities.

their ability to accumulate and transfer wealth across generations and also made it difficult for other community to a accumulate and transfer wealth. and i think the history of red lining it -- i would show and you we can see how this map on the city and how it is impact enduring impact over time and i want to remember right that the history of red lining needs to be put in a broader context of the disaccomplice am of native people and the land and japanese interm meant among other discriminations this happen on space, land and power.

reflected in orange the san francisco general population in blue. black people identifying black or african-american in the homeless population a rate 6 times. you know the general population. really striking hispanic latin x almost twice as often and native alaska and american indian and native hawaiian and pacific island are similar patterns in the homeless population compared to the general population of san francisco. it is powerful to hear the impact resonating in personal experiences of homelessness. we talked about a few times.

this is the first opportunity you are having to see it that analyst in the controller's office did a short cycle focus groups andan likewised the data coding theme in that data across interviews. and the analysis identified patterns in personal stories with poor health out come with the racial wealth gap. what is in the literature called importfolio racialed social network and administrative systems rotted in the distrust and mistrust system will work in their favor. and other in child protection and mass incars rigz barriers to employment.

it is important it highlight the racism creates barriers that put housing out of reach for people on fixed income but increaseingly for well wage workers. of notice that was really, clearly the issue people were talking and thinking about as they you know active low engaged with their experience of homelessness and figure out the solution to their experience of homelessness. there is a lot more in the need's assessment i regreen light we can't go through all now in detail. but -- encourage i hope you had a chance to look and if you have in the go back and do a lot to better than about the needs

experience that group lbgtq+ community, youth, older adult and the impact of disabling healing conditions. and just worth noticing the over representtation of people color across the demographics conditions to define experience within the populations. i want to make sure we follow the thread through to all 4 types of homelessness. we talked about in the past the intersection of racism and poverty remains [inaudible] the [inaudible] experiencing insecurity and over crowding. such as those living [inaudible] doubled up a concern of this body. and ap i and latin x communities are more likely to live in doubled up conditions.

and in that over crowded [inaudible] black and latin x are likely to experience housing insecurity. we are seeping as we sort of move over to more precarious low housed insecure, doubled up over crowded situations. but this consistency of over representation among people of color and extraordinary levels of poverty. families live nothing sro's are encountering economic barriers related to limited english proficiency, immigration status. disproportionate low rates of high numbers of people of color. and immigrants. sloit low different from the homeless population.

but still captured in this umbrella. and i pull in the some of the qualitative work done being on the focus groups. we had public comment. we had other forms and opportunities to hear from people living in some of these situations. and sro families and people who are live nothing hotels or doubled up conditions and their experience are powerful. this victims of violence and reported family violence are black and well tina important to notice. given domestic violence is in all groups and regardless of economic standing we see that with systems and institutions.

victims of violence are included in the population served homeless and victims of flowing domestic violence are served by d. homelessness and supportive housing. a number of people were survivors and talked about their experiences. an tube here for the committee to seriously and substantively the rot cause of homelessness. i think you know one question i have how might or would a racial equity framework change means and think did means and barriers different low. when we are looking at them through the lens of racial

disparities and equity. and and 2 -- pause moment. is there a question -- i can pause for a second. i can't see and i can't see anything. i don't see hands this time. >> okay. one, sorry. my hand raised. i was focusing on outside those were separate from the focus groups or you are referring to the ones we did? so, no. i am referring to the ones over the summer the abbreviated cycle. i did review and look a number of several times at the summary that was written up.

as part of the groups i think member friedenbach and d'antonio did in the spring. it was difficult to bring them in the analysis because the data was not collected in the sip way it was hard to have the 2 data sets. there is a lot in there. that is valuable and those are are available on the website. i am trying to create a better way for people to find the first hand -- data and resources in the website. so still working on that but following the line from your previous comment a couple meetings ago. >> just, these were 1s that controller's office did that were like did was -- the --

um -- then data chair or the -- um. committee chair part of this? or that is something. >> yea, this is something i talked about with the data officer mentioned several times at committee talked about with the chair shared questions and that we moved forward watch it was a limited step but i don't want to represent that work done and just all move on temperature is more of a beginning place. but temperature does sort of you know as you see like we are trying to reflect who saying what and how we can amplify.

thank you. others? okay. >> i'm not going to spend, lot of time i feel like i talked a lot about how what is the scale of the problem. how many people and households do we think experience homelessness in a year. i want to note and add third degree stlied reflect the initial people mateed experience homelessness each year by house hold composition. earlier i had this one showed families 10% of households. a larger share of the people sprngs homelessness.

inflow and homelessness prevention. . we did closely with the data and performance team and the consultants doing modeling for the department or with the department of homelessness and supportive housing to come up with a way to better estimate the point in time count. i think people recognize the upon point and time count is an under count. gives us a floor of how many imperial homeless in a point and time we did a strategy the current is that about 7700 are homeless in one point in time that is uncounted and unsheltered people it is 1300 households more than the point

in time count. inflow is estimated 9,000 households. about upon 7, 900 of those are a dulls. that includes youth. and about 1, 100 entering homelessness are families with children that is including parents and youth. here we go. i love the color. and want to give credit this was made by high schoolia [inaudible] who from hsh. rimerys if ocd, catherine dale and amy sawyer in the mayor's office worked on creating this irrelevant of lovely chart.

eviction prevention at top. twochl strategies work for people in risk homelessness and doubled up. and the bottom people who become homeless. on the right the number of slots either delivered last year as an index of when we can expect for this year or anticipated to be provide in the 22/23. worth noting that if you add all theseum it is few are than the 9,000 we were anticipating to enter homelessness and want to note, i think [inaudible] med this comment this this level of resourcing is grirt thap when we expect in the future. there is still money coming through the scientist in different accomplices that will

prevention. the common cause of homelessness from coding federal people all ages the break down of reps that may otherwise prevented homelessness. people were clear and talked a lot about the way in which either there was a rutture or break in a relationship. either lead to homelessness or economic factor and pressures or eons economic factors and precious really lead to a fragmentation of households.

i was drawn to the second pull down a person who hymn will 5 people work nothing the family and could in the afford rent they all went their separate ways. we are clear that prevention services need to be accessible and timely. people struggle to get the help than i needed in time to prevent them from becoming homeless and as we were working on coding for the work i came become in my mind the idea of where is the social safety net. there is in addition to not being family and friend network could have prevented helped people up for the folks that want safety net resources that were acceptable and adequate and

sort of able to be quickly accessed prevent homelessness. different service trying to get into without success. solutions. people offered solutions from flex rent and as far as short term, [inaudible] you know not [inaudible] a short term subsidy to lift up structural barrier and solutions. early intervention for children. this is [inaudible] among young people feeling they need they were missing a lot of information and knowledge about how to avoid financial pitfalls and how to be safe and smart with their money. and regulation and wages access

to better jobs systems so people can get on with these before avoid the catastrophic housing. and i will -- let's see. just a couple things. like am homeless prevention is e merging field the work in sudden front to develop homelessness prevention reflects of when we heard from people sprngs homelessness and the challengeers significant. bringing thanksgiving to scale will be a big left. strengthening connections to the safety nechlt targeting neighborhoods and community most at risk those are all big and challenging for the emerging field. and i think also like talking

about our city and our home i thought about, where could our city funds have the greatest impact given the things we talked b. i hope that when we get to the discussion you will that might be something we talk about. and i will pause again. i'm at a moment to see if there are questions. i'm not sure. i don't see hands. i think i attempted raise my hand. member catalana. >> yes. >> i will jump in. i want to share that the combination of the data and quotes from the participates is effective. and throughout the presentation, thank you for that.

also i got a flu situation going on not the most [inaudible] today apologies. 2 questions on the inflow numbers first. with this 9 thbld estimated per year i'm not clear how we get to that number is this the 20,000 minus adjusted point in time? or a separate calculation. the 20,000 is number of people estimated. there is a conversion to helpful. and then you know using when we used the number of households 6,000 and 400. number. typeset didn't balance did not seem quite right. you know -- right. save it. i don't know.

it pushed the people00 autonumber of households becoming homeless to 11,000 or something like this. but did no. align with other data we have, right. we thought, we really need to account for the point in time count. and try to bring some of these -- a patchwork of data source we are trying to piece together to get a sense of what is going out there. and so that is why you see this roughly as many adds and yes. and then for the colorful graph with interventions. i thought they were >> proks prop c funded numbers and changes would stay the same there is additional federal fund. >> yes.

>> that's right. the most part i was able to get data on what fee was projected going forward. and i don't know. um00 eye was not able to get a full picture of what do we think beyond c? good point i will make a note in the slide. >> thank you. chair? [inaudible]. okay. thank you. a pol joes for beinglet i had a wifi problem. i had a question about the [inaudible] and i think you spoke to us on this in the presentation a couple months ago. it is adjusting for households rathers than the individuals can

you remind us the factor this is went in that projection. where does the projection of 20,000 people or 17 or 16,000 households come from? >> yea. we used several methods. only a do you mean of methods out there forranualize from the point in time count. we did those calculations. the point and time count is showing a lot inflow increasing. right, this people are become homeless a higher rate than in the past. and so there is questions about that. there was also a ned to aline with other did thea sources. as an example a lot of people coordinatedent row. if we are getting numbers that are smaller than with we have to

point offent row and initial households presenting calls things to question. the way this we were able tom do this was, yes, to electric at okay the count is saying this and system are saying this. the records and comments some solutions that are right the harmonize the source. they are reuse the newish resources during covid to estimate how like what is the day that we have to pedestrian covid response need if to engage homeless people effectively. we used a paper. and i'm forgetting the citation but i can find it and share it with people if they are interested. what was handy was this the way

of estimating the under count of the. count upon have locked at san francisco. california communities and san francisco was one. and cross referencing against other data available. funny. thank you. folks want to go for it. this is a question we get a lot like in the air. right. how much shelter does the system

need. an important question and question i will not be answering but i believe the amount shell they're is needed depends how quick low or slowly households can move in permanent housing. resource like psh or in another way. right. people find many ways and solutions to experiencing homelessness. if people can't move through and resolve their homelessness the existing shelter resources will serve fewer households unsheltered homelessness increase band for high cost shelter beds will increase and not the high cost but noticing that shelters are very high cost slugsz. not a solution. high cost temporary -- situations. and then you know there say ton

of people that remain homeless will increase. adequate out flow and access to permanent housing is crucial. and over to inventory, to get to this. is this we are seeing long lengths of time of people being homeless speaks to challenges people are facing to resolve their homelessness. at the sip time the data shows and focus groups reenforce there are a lot of people with shorter lengths of time of this chart

shows length of this homelessness. right. got the question this is asked -- enemy a moment. how long have you been homeless this time. and it shows the responses, out boy, did you tell and family. there are a lot of people on this one year or longer. 31% as adults and 24% of families. homeless for a year or longer. at the same time, right? if you look at the shorter the left side of the chart, sea 23% of adults and 24% of families have been homeless for less then and there a month. which is i large section of the population. 40% in the data homeless

february less then and there 3 months. i bring this up the 2 groups within the population of people sprngs homelessness are like low to feel have different needs. people with shorter time homeless potential low this means you know they have more support, they might be able to get back in housing quick low without may have more resources at their disposal. relationships or jobs and may be able it transition back it housing with you know relatively few support upon [inaudible]. by contract, people homeless long lengths of time you know i know like low to experience the

accelerate the adverse health. they're like low to be different just i feel committed in trying the aggregate dast where possible. and so looking at the length of time homeless by race and ethnicity there are novelty racial disparities this stand out in this data set. wanted to allow for this and think about this when we look at data. focus groups reenforces the idea this xr people sprngs homelessness have different needs and preferences. when works for some does in the

not work for others some like shelters and like restrictions and like restrictions and the environment. for some this was a b. others really did not like that. and preferred being outside. recognizing and accepting the diversity needs. i think creates opens up a conversation what are the different program models that would work and be sponsive to the needs of the population. i'm hoping the committee will return to this and have a conversation about what are the opportunity and challenges of developing a shelter system that includes a vert of interventions. what are the possibilities and benefits of variation and what are the limitations and risks as well? the need's assessment includes

useful information about the health care system. and designed for people experiencing homelessness and you know the rates at which people experiencing homelessness access service this is are not designed for them. i found interesting. we are also seeing efforts to measure performance, which are promising and exciting and coming soon. and i wanted return to the qualitative data and notice that the most powerful themes from the analysis was the prosecute found sense of isolation and alienation felt. and the feelings i think resonated with the straind and broken relationships we talked about in that was i cause of homelessness for many of the

people this we spoke watch there was an overwhelming need not to be alone. as they moved through homelessness to be seen. and to be connected to others. many expressed hopelessness about their situation support future. not seeing a clear path forward. older adults strugyinged and a half gave systems and process their responsibles of the language here about feeling lost or the things that were things are up in the air and for me they were a sense of disorientation and in the being grounded and oriented place.

people talked about not being eligible for program and participating in program this is fell short of fully carrying them to success. and those scenes going become to member friedenbach comment, really connected with the feed become this member friedenbach and d'antonio collected in the spring of this year. during the budget season of the go become so a lot of that similar frustration and not a second time disappointment but sort of lost insufficienty. with really sort of no one cares

bus and to mow this sums up the feeling of abandonment and need not to be alone. i think the finding this had implications for the behavioral healing approximate mental upon health and hi joan intervention. i hope the committee will discuss what the pattern of isolation and the need for connection and support implications or when does this mean for shelter program and mental health service models are needed in the system? i will keep upon moving. are there questions at this point?

>> i have 2. sure. unmute. >> thank you. this is member sat catalana the length of time homeless they are not in shelter or unshelter over an episode of homelessness i wander if we locked at the over a year like how many of the shelter versus unshelters. i think hope top see you know i think for both and sheltered and have access to the service this is would support them and the third, i would love to talk more and also in the future about the mental healing metrics the housing and left one about functioning and quality of life are really important and speak and are more informative then and there units of service,

which is heard to irrelevant haven't but hard to understand what the as a results of those. i wanted to thank you for incourt reporter ritting that and have more of a discussion about those and how. of course we want to see folks in recovery and you know getting and -- all senses and getting on the path to housing not receiving a service. >> yea. and greater integration of the system. like making sure we are working together. why yea. kelly and others at the d ph they want to talk about this and it has been challenging to schedule but hoping that december or january we will get a presentation huthan i are thinking about them and the

impact. and the question about exits this motive as we talk i think about what may be does in the get in to this document that we need to sort of establish our data. development agenda for the year. right. what are the questions we need ton. thank you for that. how much housing does the system need. we are not going answer here. it is important and i want to draw attention how many are very tight low prioritized and because they are scarce. right? and so i think there is the

question is like what will it take to bring housing opportunity in the system but outside the system with scale. right? how do we scale a permanent housing that is affordable and one of the performance [inaudible] that people want to live inform how do we make more of that so we can people can relate in homelessness. right now. this is a dash board that is publicly available. and it is showing us a few metrics the orange bar on the the far right the point and time survey and draw your attention to the light blue column in the each grouping of bars that

represents the people retire prioritizeed receive house nothing fiscal 21-22. right. and we can see housing referral status there are about 4, 500. which you know is a conservative number because of scarce resources. it is still a big number of people who have you know, who have the economic and needs to really need that level prioritization. and we see that may be the blue column next to the orange there are 2200 households housed in the system for housing. bring permanent housing exits to

scale. 20 in 200. and -- you know. good number and irrelevant i think everyone would like to see if grow a birth number. bringing that the permanent house to scale will be essential and take new resource. and quickly, everything here the segregated boy race and we are not seeing significantful sloit variations keeping in mind the wait different and the data sets. not seeing a lot. >> request i jump in with a question. >> please. an observation more then and there a question. if you electric to black african-american on the third set of numbers there, you say point in time showing 38% and referrals 44. is this 6% difference. comparing that to ethnic groups

i think appears to represent some emphasis on attempts at racial equity. and and -- does it have to be here. i think some point it may have been interest to hear from the department because complications of prioritizing race. we have the 6% increase there compared to others. ir see it as a good thing i wish it was more. how am does that achieve the methods you use to get there. a this is a question for the future. >> no, there is no quick answer and [inaudible] i get [inaudible] draw attention i should have put a line here, the data and the ethnicity and race are collected separately.

this is a challenging question here hispanics and latin x were counted at a different rate. we are counting better or the side of the population increased or a combination of those. we are seeing a need to connect with that community. i think it is something the community talked about. so. to just rephrase when i said. what within sort of housing referral and housing housed there is in the variations but there is, right compared to the point and time count ment to provide that. yea. >> just one thing. of that point, i think it is helpful to compare to the point in time like am [inaudible] the blue embarrass are all over the course of the year approximate

pin in team is one mobile home helpful to have another bar that would be like [inaudible] that would that would -- comper se to the people who went to coordinated entry and got the shaft and told they're. why like everyone [inaudible]. yea. because you know i also would want to see like for example, with that survey done by the task fers in the mission district there was a low percentage of enrollment. there is stuff there that would be important and the raw numbers how many people are trying to get housing and it is in the going anywhere. it is frustrating for folks. why and that's the mix i'm trying to not successful low capturing it the best

priorityingization there is not. and people are like like it is creating the situation is terrible. it is a tough situation to be in a place permanent housing resources are so scarce we have to be so tight around the prioritization. i want to make sure and press on to get to the point where you guys talk. not q & a. i do -- so how many houses need permanent housing?

depends on food, supportive house suggest for which how much of the population matches that definition and out lined here of extreme low low income with one or more disabling health conscience. there is a definition that i can provide if you are interested. and extented length of time homeless. here are a few data points from the earlier persian to help you think like what. proportion of the population matches and needs per minute nan supportive housing? because of health ness and fixed incomes and age and chronic disease. things like that behavioral

health. disorder. >> you know and a lot of those folks were either waiting for names to come up on the list but the situation that member friedenbach mentioned but waiting to get on the list and that was sad and frustrating to hear. all you know -- a lot of people did not seem to be a good fit for psh or not anymore. some of the folks the young people living in psh that played an important role in their life in stabilizing, independence and you know a lot of things like that and now will they need more independence and freedom. and things like this. still needed the subsidy. was clear to me. ful and there were people like

this last person. there are not programs for people who needed a temporary boost. there are people it is in the a good fit than i don't need the services and don't need the long-term deep subcylinder. which i think understandable low that brings you to respectid rehouse and time limited support. increase their income to take on the rent. when other housing situations. could people enter in be independent but also able to check this economic box and afford the rent in a decent place. how long does it take? how long does the subsidy or

social support need to left for people to be successful? it was not uncommon at all to koirnt people experiencing homeless ness and work. we have, lot who are working. and housing is affordable to house holds with extremely low incomes are scarce. in the city it is hard it find. we will need creative solutions to help to bridge the affordability gap. and that applies to households doubled up or sro or working and staying in shelter. that affordability gap is real. the regional housing need's assessment and element plans have been getting, let of attention but in cities and

state level exit mention it here the need's assessment is that short more than 21,000 thouzing units for leave income. typeset is group 50% of ami and below all together that is more then and there 21,000 units. that is a lot. somehow feels right? feels ballparking to anybody? i want to conclude boy streaming the cop population questions important for modelling and i hope the committee will discuss. what proportion of the population needs psh they have high service needs and low income? are unlikely to grow over time. what proportion of the population needs the temporary boost increase and how long how

much of i boft? like how much of a resource and how long? do people need. and what other creative solutions are out there. . voice chair d'antonio brought it up the dc flex program. which it is evaluated and shows success. motive this work? what is help nothing other jurisdictions and communities we could try and build on. i will go to the conconclusion so you can have time to talk. in sum, homelessness result of economic inequality cross all 4 categories of homelessness. . you know is people live nothing doubled up and over crowded situations sro families. and then people flowing or attempt to flow domestic vinyls.

have diverse needs for crisis intervention, shell and housing and sponsiveness is models on needs. a variety of solutions we need to make progress on this issue. social safety nets resourceers in the available at the scale. yea. we know in many case we know things that work and different populations they are not available at the scale the crisis is why they are prioritized and tightly restrictively prioritized. lots of room to grow there and adding investments with the goals of meeting diversities and increasingfully.

maximize capacity and effectiveness. i want to again say d. homelessness and spicht housing system modeling and the strategic planning process is one opportunity to really better quantify the additional resources needed and align system of care to meet the needs of people. and then responding to all 4 categories require new investment. and coordinated effort. across city department its strengthen this safety net and foster economic mobility and to realize housing stability. thank you. i think upon the questions i was on time of i want to give you a rounds of aflauz is a phenomenonal presentation and

hard work i know shout out to the did thea officer. thank you for your support. we are going to open up and angels segoing to support will facilitate so i can enengage as well. i know we have timing questions we wanted to ask. >> i think i will switch i do have discussion questions. getting that up the first one starting place. what the most in the need's assessment analysis and what is important there and what does it acid to our understanding of need? so we will have a chance to have a precritical moment of thinking. i know i brought this issue up

all the time in terms of had we are doing with the structural racism piece of the problem we face and i know i mentioned this to jesse, well is efforts happening in the city you have the reparation pacific force and office of racial equity we human right's commission and public and private sector around this issue. irrelevant want top highlight the piece around the city coordination. for me that is what always come forward for me if we are looking at addressing this historical structural problem i think it will take that coordinated effort. and all this is helping with the did thea w rooms and other areas. like you know it is heart break to see i'm in all the different

stages of education and our stele and this space. and you know we are black folks we beirut better than of the issues. how many times can you hear that every where you go and not feel enraged and frustrated and it also not try to -- we have leaders of color black leader in the city. our mayor a black woman. she is touched by issues and want to think as well a lodgist cal stand point how do we move the needle on this. and like to hear from the reparation task force. i don't know where they are at with their process. yea. this is just continues to be every space ends to ends and weather health or equity or educational or homelessness is a

burdened by black folks employmented say this tired of it. frustrated. i can't seat participate list if people want to raise handses we can have more of a conversation. i want to second what chair williams said around that stands out the racial disparities on the different level and i irrelevant like the idea of over compensating for that. and so i don't think we can catch up a disparity unless we make sure there is a larger proportion of folks that are off of that and the same -- um but i think we need to over compensate. we need it have you know 43% of

the population is african-american. but it is a gotta flip the it is also i want to say a lot of the stuff is so -- one venn that there issin are generational homelessness and severe poverty this continues with folks kids and you know they ends up homeless. oning of our member this is lead the protest left night you know she had her daughter there and her grand daughter and her granddaughter homeless and she is in housing but it is seeing her daughter since she was a kid struggle now as a mom and going through this. it is really we gotta yea. and i am hopeful and i think we

can make great turn this around it is solvable issue. and i'm excited be a part of this. the one other thing i would say the questions on the end is that the temp refer subsidy when he who is present for this. i think that is important question but i think there is a piece television that is, let of people who may not know support services but will need on going rental subsidy. there is a way to save resources if people move away from support services. the rents are so high. i noticed with folk who is are earning you know over 50 circumstance a year still being homeless temperature is you know folks can be stabilized and still it just there is i huge despairivity wrens and income. if people are able to stabilize and get good jobs and train in the a field they are not up at

the you know hundred plus k salary. and they are struggling. i think there is a piece of that you know extremely low income this public housing played a flow and we have not had access to because of rebuilds for years. i want to point out that hole we face. that we you know our seniors and families with kids that was a big piece of the puzzle traditionally. i am hoping tht reblsd are important and support them at some point when all they are done special we fill in units we have a lot of vacancies and folks and there is a let out there. we can make sure there are accesss they open up.

yea. and we include this in our analysis and how we will get out of this awful situation we are in. thank you. >> thank you. and i'm not seeing hands. i will jump in. i raised my hand. hello. >> i have a problem then. i will go ahead. i'm enjoying being a per of this discussion. but so to your point member friedenbach the economic mobility piece? like i feel like how we bring the other factors in the conversation of awful on the workforce investment san francisco board and good union jobs don't take whatever and electricians make beyond liveable wages.

that piece of the conversation is important and member cat left laneo you are think burglar workforce and this too. so thinking about how we connect opportunity and then again with the structural racism piece you hear stories of folk who is try to get in the sdpunt there is dissects there in terms of service provision and prosecute voiders and their guidance and how they are interacting with the population. would love to bring in the workforce element and per in with labor to see the opportunity to connect folks with the opportunity. yea, you get 99 this housing solutioning and if they don't have the income to maintain that it is a cycle. love to talk more about that as well. >> thank you.

chair williams. seems like [inaudible]. i adopt to make sour this we have a number of members who are a little just quiet and benching want to make sure everybody has a chance it talk about what [inaudible] stood out to them. let me jump in. please. so -- i think the thinga stands out to me and i think we have talked. we are well wrapped around the characteristic of people experiencing homelessness and i think having the detailed and

the qualitative remarks, i think dun in writing like you have done and is really important but i think it represents putting to paper when we have been understood as a community and when we have understood as a committee as well. i think when we have not gotten to you recognize in the a couple of places in the report. what is the rate among the shelters. we have x dollars what is the right amount housing. and seems to mow we are urpdz subscribed in terms of when we need that we can keep developing permanent housing with funds the next 3-4 cycles and it is needed. somewhere we gotta get to the number of what is the right

amount to have 10,000 units of supportive housing or 15? is it to have 20 and be endsless amount. i think we gotta goat this. what i am rescue is at the end of your report that the citied with strategics planning and modeling should get us to this number. let me say, i hope this is the case because i think we have talked to the knoll to this and i don't see i have no idea how it do it. i hope that process gets us to a number we with limpom to. if we say what we need now is sick,000 additional units we can measure prop c contributed to this effort. s said likewise for prevention activities. you know is our 1400 fleck spengdz.

i don't remember the number. is tht right amount or double this amount? we gota have something to measure our progress. and i say the same in terms of racial equity. we rescue noise the challenge that is there and our niche will relate to other things talked about is housing. when we say, that i think it is threat % of the pep this experiencing hemlessness in the points of time of what, we see 30 percent of people experiencing homelessness of latin x, when are we doing to emsure is there anything we can do or only say here other unists and somebody else figure out how to make sure the folks getting in are the right numbers. that's what i said earlier. having 8 conversation with the department of what they are doing to have what looks to me a

small measure of success. in regard with the black community it looks like not much with the well tin open commune. talk about how you operationalize the housing so that folks who have been so under served can get a leg up with that. whensoever the person is at the table in the plan. to make sure what come out we is say this is what our goal this is when we are trying to develop. thank you member reggio.

>> i think i raise today a couple times. 19 there is follow up stuff we can do to sit become down with the strategic planning folks. i have not been involved in the conversation i have been updated but not involved. so i think we have said this several times african-american the difference with participation and [inaudible] or being told things. so i think that it is critical we get to the numbers i'm not so far in how the modeling is set up and i asked and excited hear more. but i opinioning it it is e merging process. i just i was really love to see all of this great needs

assessment work results and understanding the future need. not so much the existing system but deep understanding of future need. and it it is still a complex activity t. is not easy. we want to know how much we need for older adults and how that impacts when is available 10 years from now. those other things that i think be the strategic planning can provide us. and i love to hear from the committee how we can may be be better participate in that process or from the departments and just an idea of that. thank you for raising that. tomorrow will be the piece of time will be dedicated to this. there say method of having this

conversation today. so people can feel appropriated lect they know. i think a lot in my head now starting with when chair williams said about the repeating patterns that cause and repping tigz of conconclusion that cause the systems and experiences to always -- harm black people the most i think about the way in which like the challenges in our system from the types of safety net support to keep folks housed to the types of opportunity allow people to get out of housing instability the flow and support matter? cross all of our even the

private sector not just public institutions. thinking about the ways which we take the responsibilities for in our purview. you out line the beginning and focusing on inflow. down stream infully. exit to housing and return it home willness and being mindful about the w we can do with other parts of the stele to make sure it is in the just a boost for a year with the housing subsidy but a path of like 2 prosperity. and that's what i'm saying ways in which we can focus in on getting the numbers of a good permanent housing if serving the community of color to the do try on address the inequities and making sure there is more there.

not just a kohnp one time solution but sticky but also manage this can [inaudible] i think that is an opportunity we have in san francisco with the resources we have. think of something else and to -- member reggio's point in the pieces and available stock and just the barriers when we do have the available stock the fact we have the vacancies and the housing element build 82,000 additional units and the barriers in acquiring property

and build nothing san francisco and then perfect storm of recession, depression and cost of building. i mean it it is a lot to piece together. i think what you said member catalano resonated with mow not just for meet availability in stock and the numbers the barriers that when we have the resources which we heard from listening sessions and wing with the community there is something that happens black and brown folks are disconnected. still elements i know it is a touchy issue and that also political one of the departments are working together and -- you know this look at it across the system i know we will talk about more tomorrow. but. yea. there is really even deeper hard

conversations and i keep think about this w of the human right's commission and the dream keep and reparations task force they are tasked with looking at that and leading it. i respect the brain trust here and folk this is worked in the community for a long time and pushing back on for a long time on the challenging issues and how we condition in this face to be a part of that conversation. to keep purke folkseen when it is uncomfortable. there are questions i have around the service aspects. i had a question about

structural racism and -- feels like we may have had ground on that. we started talking a bit what are the greatest opportunity in the greatest challenges that are facing san francisco response it homelessness? good to hear from people. member friedenbach. i think we a lot of the

challenges around rising kruck costs and issues there. i do think we got really like this whole acquisition thing we got luck we and could do more there and i love this because it is like it is requiring nonresidence den like currently residential not occupied by 4 people already. but that it expands the stock. and i think one of the other things that is irrelevant a barrier is -- um -- we have a build up of really misinformation in the sudden fran voting population. and that continues to be by how

much money is being spent. and a lot of feelings that there is in way to approximate solve it. sxf so in that context it is harder to create political will and get the things done this need to get done. and it sets us back and leads to whatever have you more frustration you have increased distrust in institutions and you have more hate against this pivot happens quickly people turn on homeless people themselves. we are seeing you know and so that is relatesed the political response of homelessness and another really problem in our system is the way that resources are accessed. and how severing complaint driven and you know i mean i will think the shelter on frustrated that every healing provider in the city is seeing people that are like you know

close to death. or try to get shell exert want shell exert there is no way because the shelter beds were given out. and so they have not put up the shelter. rare low ever people are gwen mull pull choices 30 lucky enough to sustained inspect a gentified neighborhood machine is calling and complaining and have a massive city response. 18 city personnel coming out and stands around for hours on end. they get offered one thing and tick it or leave it situation. no consideration about what the individual needs are. i think you know the way that

like putting people in services is created more distrust in institution and more frustration and some poses are changing. and so in the way it is rolled out. i think there is like that population like the voters that -- a barrier and there is the there is also like the really ways that we have made things overly complicated to or impublic to get needs met even when there are resources visible. those are things that come to minds. thank you.

i don't see -- the committee to identify barriers and say among other things we are legislation causes to do and obviously one barriers or major barrier to provide when we need in terms of housing is the cost of the unit and the length of time it takes to develop. i don't know the concern numbers but i know a year ago we were talking roughly 600,000 per units. 700,000 per unit if you build now 6 year or 7 years. you know one thing where dot revving ligzs that have been imposed with good reason by our community that affordable house developers need. that increases to cost and really to wage some of those

revving ligzs is there a way to one time module >> module behind of public low a cost addition that the city should challenges and difficult the committee in sum row finld a way it expedite and i'm not sure the role exactly figure out how to do this it is per of what we want to do to encourage the board and find upon way thes sake of supportive housing that they have to be waivers on things gota be ways to expedite. and we did behind the scenes not

behind the scenes this table sometimes affordable housing developers fundsers that is there a way. i'm not aware anybody found that solution i like to put on the table we have been talking for a year on this and we have committee i have been talking and other members have been talking should we find a way as a committee to say to go on record saying we gota foinld a way to expedite and that leads to, how would it be expedited and i don't know who has the political will to do that. it is something we have not grappled watch we gotta get to where supportive housing can be develop in the a timely way, new housing and family housing as an

example. and less cost than what it is now. >> okay. i think chair williams and then i feel we will need to talk about this drafth process this is in the last time we have met. we will pull together there will be more opportunity to pull together ideas. hear from chirp williams and i will talk a bit about that and we can do public comment. >> to add-on to that. i think it would be grit to go on record saying that and i'm think burglar what role does the state play in in san francisco. because it is like a contractible problem we can't yea. i want top second when member reggio said that we have to figure out how to build and how to expand you know when is

available and all these barriers from the costs of construction and the other political factors that you know -- people are waiting they need housing and they need the resource and you know, politics should not be getting in the way of you know getting people off the streets. and into real permanent solutions i second what member reggio said on record part of the letter to the mayor. >>. >> great. thank you. -- a process that is a slight talked about previously getting the previously putting together a letter connected it this

conversation. advises and lists the most important priority areas for the committee. and the committee a chance to list them for the board and mayor. i think it was clear when i was working with chair williams and officer led leadbetter and do it during this conversation this is sort of create a forum for members to talk and continue, right. percolating on this idea over the next several days. what the proposal is that slight low adjusted the commune begins the discussion of priors and learning today. and that we identify as many 4 members does in the need to be this many to work on drafting the letter.

that committee members can e mail priors and suggestions and thoughts, ideas to me. on or before like boy the wednesday after the thanksgiving holiday. give people a chance to think about it and develop their ideas. and that designate nitted drafting can meet and draft a letter like provided become to the committee no later than discipline 12 and the committee can do finalized revisions at the december 15th meeting. so it is a similar time line except more committee involvement and a long are period of opportunity for members to we in and offer suggestions and ideas. i'm pretty happy with this. i'm open to fine tuning. and also hope theville tierce

who want to help draft this letter. anyone want to volunteer? i'm in support you know this. i will volunteer as well. why me, too. >> super. and this leaves there is still one more could participate i feel like with 3 that gives us a stable base. i will roach oust to you again the time line approximate things like that deadlines or anything and get meetings scheduled for drafting that letter. that will come become to the committee and you know will have

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for this item. thank you for your presentation and thank you for helpful enengagement we will move to our next item which is reviewing our revenue the fund revenue and i believe we have cheryl lu and jerry harden are hear from the controller's office, welcome. thank you for having us. i will share my screen.

i'm carol lu revenue manager in the controller's budget division. joined by gary harden. so we are here to talk about the latest fall 22 for homeless [inaudible] just by way of over view san francisco business texts are volatile with budgets based on the forecast of a moment in time. we update them throughout the year to help policy makers manage budgets to respectid low changing reality on the ground. they know projecting business tax versus the budget involved the current as well as the future fiscal years. november forecast now projects 30 to 50

million dollars in annual losses. in these years from the prior projection. this is a revision last time we spoke to the body there was similar revision and this is on top of that revision. which was of a similar manage tude. i will share the number in a bit. there is a down side to this forecast. we assume 3 and no growth in the tax base it is in the a recession scenario it could depenning on what happens in the months and year or so to come, we will find out whether or not we need to revise dun or not. of the we know upon given where we are now currently and future year plans need to be revised and we will have an another forecast in february and march of 23 in time for the annual budget cycle.

this slide, i presented before to the committee. but it is just to reorient everyone to the source this feeds the fund. there is nothing new here. as everyone recalls november 2018 prop c includes gross receipt tax on gross ropes excess of 15 million in addition to the existing gross receipt tax. fest million plus 100 dollars this tax applies to that handled dollars. the next is the rate table. varies boy strep and this is from 2020 but the homelessness gross receipt tax are the largest of the existing of the general fund gross receipt tax. tax year 2020 there were 300

versus 10,000 payors for the general fund gross receipt tax. i think the short around the treasure upper talked and said it is a business has a name on the might be a business that would way this tax. um -- so a review i think may be this was discuss in the the prior meeting 21-2 revenue worse than what we had discussed forecasted before in the spring. and tax revenues are forecasted quarter low for quarter low more often and to take you through a 21-22. the forecast worsened over time inform spring of 21, a year and a half ago, we forecasted gross

receipts 335.6 million dollars. that was budgeted in the fall of 21, we issued the 5 year financial plan we lowered to 296.2 million. february 22 the 6 mont report based on factors we saw we will get more. we bumped up the forecast it 303 opinion 7 million. we need to forecasted where we ended up in our audit financial statement that year ends in august of 22 was 278.6 million. worse than forecast and budget.

work from home was not participated at the time of budget development. as well in spring of 21 we did not know about all of the delta and omicron waves had not happened or anticipate exclude pushed businesses return to office from fall 21 everyone talked about coming become labor day. many pushed back toward thanksgiving and after the new year. and so this was none of that was anticipate in the 21. and all of that upon part of why our business taxes did not ends up as high as we thought we did. and this speaks to why there is volatility in this source buzz it has very much it do with how people office workers will work

in the future and when we doll with the office buildings. and in those questions are not yet settled. looking forward, 22-23 through 27-28 we are workoth 5 year financial plan forecast should come out in january of 23. so these numbers are not fresh off the excel document. they were paste in the yesterday. so this is our latest forecast. so just to orient you to this table so00 autorows are the years. the first is what our prior budget and prior forecast was. we did 2 year budgeting, there are 2 green numbers and we budget for 2 years, we make a forecast. this is when our best thinking was as of this spring that's

what was built in the budget. now that time has e lapsed this is the latest thinking. the set of numbers in red, this is the difference between the 2 sets. this is what i refer to when i say we are revising 30 to 50 million dollars. and this has to do with how we forecast based on our prior year performance. we see our cash receipts are lower than we continuing should be. it goes 2 things together and show us. we should revise our forecast down and the out look with the spring 22 and fall of 22 has worsened continues to persist at high levels and enter rates are

wrappeting up. w if home is high. all of these things. and then the news about the layoffs. and so, homelessness gross receipt live in the tek sector. homelessness gross rope system lower than thought. and to share assumptions in this forecast, so before we had anticipated telecommuting more at 3% level. versus through the all the planned years. in addition, is 23 and 24

assuming slow or no growth of the tax base. and then the out years tax year 24 and beyond we are assuming we get become to 3% growth in the future years. so it is not -- it is not the worse case scenario we say the tax base slows down. in terms of next steps this is was our best think right now which we will publish in a couple months if not earlier. we will take another by the at the apple i guess. many times. so in we will publish in january of 23. then we will turn around and yearly for the 6 month budget update. in march of 23 we will look

again at the full 5 years in the 5 year plan update. and at this time i believe we spoke to the committee about our forecast and so may be we would give this same on the cycle we have another forecast the 9 month budget update in play and that's oofth current year report. in close being, similar to 21-22 departments willrous ecpent tour budget its equal the forecasted ref now amount in 22-23, a similar exercise to left year. but i guess with -- is that

forecast is negative and plans in the upcoming years will be revisited again. as i mentioned, the time line updating multiple times with recent information. and i wanted to i don't want top -- yea. leave with a glomy note. [inaudible] the forecast -- we try to take ape balanced approach and consistent with how we treat the general funds gross receipts but if you read the newspapers every day there is more news coming out of what is happening and so -- as we get real did thea on this we will reflect it new data we will reflect it in the forecast.

that's all i have d ph and hsh follow? >> yes. we will have them come up. >> good morning. [inaudible] we are also trying to digest the numbers therapy presented tick, way it seems there is a short fall with little to no improvement in projections the next few years. when you compare this to the spending plan we assumed mild inflationary costs associated with our program there is is a disconnect with the projection we see dropping and being in the versus how we project our expenditures we are not adding new programs we will grow part

of natural inflation. over the next year or 2 i think we will look at ways we can use the reserves and one time source but it is unclear how we manage a gap this with our spending plan and projected ref now fist it continuous. one time source are in the i deal and not financial low sustainable. but it is early we are still getting in and we will need to look at the controller's office to know the projections and larger city picture and figure out the plan moving forward. good morning a deputy director for administration and finance. for the department of homelessness and supportive housing.

wanted to echo everything that was said. she said who are getting this in role time as well. and you know appreciate the committee's support in setting aside some one time money for reserve but you know the persistence of the revenue projection downward is something we had not contemplated. so again we will work with the mayor's office and the controller's office mrooes closely on trying to understand the trade offs are. how best to preserve programs the difference with hsh funding and with housing. where we have policed machine in permanent housing. or in scattered site housing we made funding commitment to this entity or that household. so we will need to look what

programs have not yet scaled up? when sources we can leverage and when other solutions we can w on with the mayor's office. to -- preserve and continue the person programs. so, hope to have more specifics in the coming months and i appreciate you supporting us as we work through a more difficult financial situation. >> thank you. i'm going to transition to jesse to lead i commit's discussion i will turn it over to jesse. >> yes. i will sort of try to moderate a bit. i want to under score when you mention third degree is like excel -- that was true. right there were a lot of e

mills and have 12 hours of this. i know this the departments are still asimulating the news itself and the implications of the news. the opportunity to have questions. i see member friedenbach's hahn up. are you ahead? >> so are we looking at it looks like we are looking at reductions in existing fiscal year or reductions in the investment plan for next year? and then so what are we like i guess -- when is the bottom line we had the reserve and -- will terms of how much get reduced? um, thank you. revenue on the revenue side, the concern year short fall is -- 30

million and the 2 budget years are 30 million each. the 3 years it would be 129.sick million. and hot off the press i den think i have time for d ph or hsh to think about how the reserve would play in that. >> yea. i think as a committee we will this is you know -- the investment plan that come out we will if there is reductions we want a discussion and make recommendations on of what it looks like. so we would i think we need to time line that out i know it is fresh and new but if we are doing existingier i den want to have a situation things are moving and being you know thereupon is no proper input from the committee that would be a thing and the other thing is just i think we could also i

would love for us to have values we established as a committee we make decisions based on those. so those could look likeers you know because valuing -- places to slope over other services and you know there are ways we can do values around racial equity impacts and stuff thing that. lived through a lot of major cuts during the great recession under newsome, there was a, eliminate of bad decisions made without a lot of input and we are still seeing them today with impact on human [inaudible] and there is this thing around you know making reductions you know

the easy thing to do is -- the stuff this ms. not been spent but that minot be the right thing to do. because i see it as you know a lot of times when we make investments than i are with us for a long time and so -- so i think -- that may be where we want to go. we want to we don't want to also this and might be an important need. and have not because of the slowness. it is disappointing we are live nothing challenging time and and

so -- you know given that level of the homeless crisis there is a big are picture arnold the things that -- we are not able to fund but things this being be funded with other resources? and so -- we are back to seeing massive cuts. and you know large are decisions how to balance budget? on the becomes offects that [inaudible] like -- as opposed other areas in the stele this could have been affected. i think there is a big are picture here around you know as we enter in ref nows decreasing. big are picture discussions. i want us to be clear that --

upon that it should be like -- this is a huge issue we upon dent want homeless people to experience the change in the economy. they are most vulnerable. there might be other department its make up for it. so -- i think anyway. want to -- put those thoughts out there and thank you for the information. and i'm sorry you are bearers of bad nows. yea. >> i don't know if anyone -- poke to this or other questions from the committee for the budget analysis or financial. >> i got a quick question. think burglar the forecasting press and knowing this things

are shifting given our current climate and i hear talk about the recession versus depression. and i know modeling always has can be try to model the best you can but may be a discrepancy or things that minot turn out as we expect. i wanted hear from folks in terms of worse case scenario planning we do go in a depression and not a recession and don't see a return to you know -- folks work nothing downtown. will sort of situation with layoffs seems like a perfect storm of unknowns. mented to hear from folks from the departments everyone what could be this worse case planning electric like? and i then and there is hot off the presses wanted to see if there is thinking how bad things

could get in terms of revenue forecasting this might be a question for me. >> thanks for this question, chair williams. we have not attempt aid recession scenario for this source. that is a good idea. we do -- are model a recession scenar i don't in the general fund and i more way we have before and um i do want to offer

a good i think that have offered to the departments or in some internal meetings may be 250 million. this was not based on analysis it was close at 270. things could get worse 250 is lower. this is a number we talked around before without analysis. i'm happy to share thinking we have on what worse case scenario would be. and by anchoring do you mean sort of each year the plan would like the budgeted be made around that 250 dollar amount?

and if more kim in, this would be great news. bull always have this similar near to the next or until things sablized in a different picture emerges return to had anchor amount that constant amount for budget? >> yes. yea. i think we offered or mentioned point in time may be an idea be this this fund is budgeted tw 50 million dollars a level and more depressing picture than the one just now.

seems like a lot to -- reconfigure based on i think things get more challenging then and there the hopeful picture of ref now projection. i will say i will be don't want to lone on more conservative side to like the worse case. i think it seems like a big challenge for departments to pivot and folks want to know when to expect and hopes for interventions to roll out. we want them coming become approximate saying it is worse then and there we thought.

any other hands. >> yes. the question i think the department folks -- it in terms of your timing in the department. we are assuming we weigh in to o this and a weigh in to the department and go become to the mayor of the board of soups and priority on process and quality on timing if we want a meaningful way in on how to change the expend tours that were budgets when would you meet and put from us. i might be able to. and then can weigh in.

i think we need tong about what is the process around this the budget and departments required to rebalance and in i press become to the board of supervisors. there is in the another process around that rebalancing this happens. i think we have been talking about soon are than later what does the budget process look like and when with can the conversations happen to understand like what is the impact of leftier's short fall? and how we can move forward. the priors member friedenbach called them values. i have been talking about them as priorities. those values that go in the letter approximate need's assessment i think will need to

be the -- this -- financial situation is obviously top of line. i don't know if we have anything to add to that. i think we need to regroup. ond long-term projections and w with the mayor's office. begin the budget process. and understand what the time frame is. i think i it was thinking when they posed the correction this year. the current year's budget and the question would remain when do you guys meaning the departments h and dp heart

attack need input from this committee follow impact your decisions. is this november, december? what is too late to weigh in. when is the right time to weigh in. that's a great question. i think the values are helpful so we are implementing program and many are stood up.

and so we are active low implementing programs that are still have not started yet. we have not slowed down. and goes back to the value there is. d ph with the reserve that we built with one time funds last year i think we being roadway out like low this year. anything is better but the big are question is, do we continue the push and then should revenues again short fall continue and -- we don't have then what do we do? i think this this is a conversation we need with the city wide contracts this will put in to her presentation and working with the mayor's office. ons we get budget instructions understand when is going on. the wider picture. i will add to member reggio, you know i think that if we can -- sustain the current year based on takes awhile to get in contract and did in the start on july first on the hsh21 million

dollars that we set aside for reserves. don't anticipate taken an electric we will come become in the current year with input in any service reductions in the current year. tell be a budget year conversation and expect budget destructions from the mayor's office and talk how the bad news prop see over lays with the budget instructions i don't have an answer but it is the responsibility of the mir to keep the budget in balance. we want to certainly the very least inform you and get your input if we were making service reduction.

i don't think we know enough to be there and hopeful that we can sustain our concern level until we have thoughtful conversation and make those decisions. thank you. keep with what was said i think i will get straight to work. in the next couple of days. on getting sort of a press out lined for the coming budget process. right. weep expect direction everdirection from the mir in december you mirecall leftier there was a we thank you there was a surplus. instructions were -- very light. and easy to take in. i think may be in the so much this year. and then trying to get become in

the liaison conversations. the december meeting will be important it do elections and make sure the liaison rolls are still are filled to make sure we are keeping the communication open. of i will like to talk about it soon are than later. if possible the december meeting if it guess to the place there are mid year budget cuts bad decisions often get made in this process. i think tell be important to -- have us in a place we weigh in.

so. for folks we have the regular budget process and i think most know this butt way the city ws there is the regular budget process through the board and the goes to the mayor and approved by board of sproirzs the way the charter works the executive branch as spending authority per of this authority was that you know they can with the exception of behavioral healing service its requires a hearing if there is reductions there. they can do it it is a bad idea to do it this way. we ended up in the recession.

lost 40 million in direct service. to -- ment will health and home will services and substance use. and we -- started seeing the impacts of that. aloment of the other budgetings kept hole in other departments. i think it is really -- important we near a position to weigh in on that. and -- yea. so that would go in discussion in december. we can do both. yea.

i'm not seeing more. i don't know if others want to jump in. i of course we can move to public comment and closing. members who wish to comment call 415-655-0001 then access code: 2491 132 1309 ## and press star 3 to enter the queue. you have 2 machines i'm check the list for hands for public comment. i den see anyone for this agenda item. >> thank you. jesse, for facilitating that and thank you to everyone from the department. i know this is not good news we will get through it together and

have more time for discussion and planning. i think we have time for future beyond everagenda items is this correct? folks have future agenda items in yes, i put mine in. say that again >> yes. have a discussion of values or principles however we sill it in -- in consideration of reductions to the fund. thank you. so much. i know we have committee for the letter drafting to the mir and the board. thank you member leadbetter and member reggio for volunteering. other equips before we have our

day 2 of our retreat tomorrow. i mention third degree also earlier conversation today but possibly a discussion with the department on when efforts are made to address being made to address racial equity issues. absolutely. thank you. other agenda items? okay. if there is not other agenda items -- with that i don't believe we don't mode to take public comment. why we do. i will do this now. members when wish to provide comment call 415-655-0001, access code: 2491 132 1309 ##

then press star 3 toern the queue. thank you. y want to thank everyone for being here today and i know we have a lot of priorities. we will see you tomorrow for day 2 and with this i will take a motion to adjourn. >> second. is there a second?

seconded by member friedenbach. we will do a roll call >> member catalano. >> yes. >> member denning. >> yes. >> d'antonio. >> member friedenbach. >> yes. >> leadbetter. >> yes. >> member miller. >> member reggio. >> yes. >> chair williams. >> yes. why thank you, we are adjourned 11. . 55 a.m. >> see you tomorrow. why thank you.

. >> the san francisco carbon fund was started in 2009. it's basically legislation that was passed by the board of supervisors and the mayor's office for the city of san francisco. they passed legislation that said okay, 13% of the cost of the city air travel is going to go into a fund and we're going to use the money in that fund to do local projects that are going to mitigate and sequester greenhouse gas emission. the grants that we're giving, they're anywhere from 15,000 to, say, $80,000 for a two year

grant. i'm shawn rosenmoss. i'm the development of community partnerships and carbon fund for the san francisco department of environment. we have an advisory committee that meets once or twice a year to talk about, okay, what are we going to fund? because we want to look at things like equity and innovative projects. >> i heard about the carbon fund because i used to work for the department of environment. i'm a school education team. my name is marcus major. i'm a founding member of climate action now. we started in 2011. our main goal it to remove carbon in the public right-of-way on sidewalks to build educational gardens that teach people with climate change. >> if it's a greening grant, 75% of the grant has to go for greening. it has to go for planting trees, it has to go for

greening up the pavement, because again, this is about permanent carbon savings. >> the dinosaur vegetable gardens was chosen because the garden was covered in is afault since 1932. it was the seed funding for this whole project. the whole garden,ible was about 84,000 square feet, and our project, we removed 3,126 square feet of cement. >> we usually issue a greening rft every other year, and that's for projects that are going to dig up pavement, plant trees, community garden, school garden. >> we were awarded $43,000 for this project. the produce that's grown here is consumed all right at large by the school community. in this garden we're growing all kinds of organic vegetables

from lettuce, and artichokes. we'll be planting apples and loquats, all kinds of great fruit and veggies. >> the first project was the dipatch biodiesel producing facility. the reason for that is a lot of people in san francisco have diesel cars that they were operating on biodiesel, and they were having to go over to berkeley. we kind of the dog batch preferentials in the difference between diesel and biodiesel. one of the gardens i love is the pomeroy rec center. >> pomeroy has its roots back to 1952. my name is david, and i'm the

chamber and ceo of the pomeroy rehabilitation and recreation center. we were a center for people with intellectual and development cal disabilities in san francisco san francisco. we also have a program for individuals that have acquired brain injury or traumatic brain injury, and we also have one of the larger after school programs for children with special needs that serves the public school system. the sf carbon fund for us has been the launching pad for an entire program here at the pomeroy center. we received about $15,000. the money was really designed to help us improve our garden by buying plants and material and also some infrastructure like a drip system for plants. we have wine barrels that we

repurposed to collect rain water. we actually had removed over 1,000 square feet of concrete so that we could expand the garden. this is where our participants, they come to learn about gardening. they learn about our work in the greenhouse. we have plants that we actually harvest, and eggs from our chickens that we take up and use in cooking classes so that our participants learn as much as anybody else where food comes from. we have two kitchens here at the pomeroy center. one is more of a commercial kitchen and one is more setup like a home kitchen would be, and in the home kitchen, we do a lot of cooking classes, how to make lasagna, how to comsome eggs, so this grant that we received has tremendous value, not only for our center, for our participants, but the entire community. >> the thing about climate, climate overlaps with everything, and so when we

start looking at how we're going to solve climate programs, we solve a lot of other problems, too. this is a radical project, and to be a part of it has been a real honor and a privilege to work with those administrators with the sf carbon fund at the department of environment. >> san francisco carbon grant to -- for us, opened the door to a new -- a new world that we didn't really have before; that the result is this beautiful garden. >> when you look at the community gardens we planted in schools and in neighborhoods, how many thousands of people now have a fabulous place to walk around and feel safe going outside and are growing their own food. that's a huge impact, and we're just going to keep rolling that out and keep rolling that2022.

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