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captioning sponred by macneilehrer productions >> lehrer: gd evening. m jim lehrer. on t newshour this monday, the lead story: helicopter cshes in afghanistan kill 14 ericans. then, thother news of the day, inclung the deadly bombings in iraq. y suarez gets the latest fr jane arraf inaghdad. then margaret warner interews senator john kerry about afghanistan and more >> putng young people in harm away, you owe them a strategy that is equa to their sacfice.
>> lehrer: gwen ifill gets a talof escape from the taliban from "new york time reporter david hde. bty ann bowser tells the stories otwo families coping with the swine flu. >> lehr: and jeffrey brown has a conversatiowith michael chabon abt his new book, "manhood for ateurs." major funding for theewshour with jimehrer is provideby: >> what the wod needs now is engy. the energy to get the enomy humminagain. the energy to tackle chaenges like clima change. what if thaenergy came from an energy company?
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foundaons. and... this program wasade possible by the corporation f public broadcasng. and by ntributions to your pbs station from ewers like you. thank you. >> lehrer: this wathe deadlst day for american forces iafghanistan in more than four years. least 14 u.s. troops and civilians we killed in separate air crash. it came as presint obama wrestled again th future troop coitments, and as afghan president karzai rejected rival's demand. newshour correspondent kwame holmahas our lead story report. . >> alof the day losses involved hicopters, used heavily bthe u.s. militar to ferry forces across afghistan'sountainous
rrain. three helicopters went down in two separate incidents across the country. on crashed the west seven u.s.roops and thre agents of the u.s. dr enforcement administration were killed. an in the south,wo u.s. marine licopters collided in fght. four american troopsere lled there. >> in botof these inciden we do not believe that enemy action was responsle for that. we're still lking into it to see wat actually ppened but weon't believe tha it was due to any enemy fir in western afghanistan the helicopter was jst departing an operation where th were going in to look for an insurgent that had been working with naotics trade. we actually got into a fairly seous fire fight in that particular village and we killed 14 of the enemy fightersefore our fors went to the helicopterto fly away. >> a spokesman for the liban disputed that rsion of even.
he claimed insurgents shot down an ameran helicopter in the northwt. it was unclear if he referred to the sa incident in that rgion repord by the u.s. mility. with today's deaths and t over the weekend, at least 47 americans have been killed if afghanistan so f in october. well over 0 have died this year. the highest toll of the entire war. atacks on afghans also continued to grow. today a provision goveor ithe east survived an assassinationttempt. gunmen fired automatic weaps at his convoy in ji all bad. amid the violence president obama called a high level meeting to discuss sending more u.s. tros. later he traveled to the naval ai station in jacknville, florida,nd made a promise to the navy and mari corps audience. >> i willever rush the solemn decion of sending you into harm away. i won't risyour lives unless it is absotely cessary.
and if it is necesry, we will back youup tothe lt. >> report: in fact, "the washington post reported pentagon officials oversaw a secret warge this month testing different deployments and the possible outcome. in a washingn speech democratic senator john kerry warned a larg scale u.s. pullout coul trigr civil war bute also balked aa major build up that general mcrystal wants. >> he understands conductsing a counterinsurgency in limited geographic aa. but i believe his current an reachs too far, too fast. we do not yet have the critical guartees of goveance and of developmentapacity. e other two legsof countensurgency. >> reporte the u.s. also faced new protests in kab
afer several nato soldiers alegedly burned aopy of the koran lt week. huneds of students chanted "death america" and burned an figy of president obam and there wererowing political teions ahead of the predential runoff st or novemberth. today abdullah abdullah, president kzai's chief rival, charged the country's ection official is biased and must be removed. >> -- unfortunately for he himself, in order be -- by thpeople of afghanistan, as an independe body. reporter: abdullah did not rule out bcotting the noff if his demand goes met but in a stement karzai resed toack the election chief sang he has to the done anything illegal. >> hrer: we'll have more on afghanistanncluding >>ehrer: we'll have more on afghanistan, including our inrview with senator kerry,
later inhe program. in other news today, raqi oops ramped up security acrs baghdad, a day after twouicide truck bombings killed ateast 15people. som500 people were wounded. the asts targeted thjustice ministry and the proviial government's headquarters, located near the fortied green ne. by today, authories had arrested at least 76 peopl for more, r suarez talked earlier towith jane arraf, raq correspondenfor the "christian scice monitor" and mieast regional editor for global post . >>uarez: jane arraf, welcome. what'the latest today on the atcks? has the death tl continued to rise? >> it has. the death to looks like it's going past about 150,iq ray, and hundreds more wounded. and more than that, a lot of questions being raed as to ho this actually cld have happened just twomonths
after the horrific bombin of the bomng of the finance andoreign miniry. sterday at the sites there were sces of devastation. people song, caring ay wounded relatives, trying to find their relatis. and pretty much chaos for the firs little while. the streets wereflooded. rescuworkers were trying toadehrough bystanders. it rlly was one of the most horrific scenes many of us ha seen in quite long ime. we kind ofhought this was over with and noit seems to have stard again and that is defitely the feeling that y feel on the streets, th things could very much get worse again. >>uarez: you mentioned that august attack. at the time wen't measures put in place to make this ki of operation less likely in baghdad? >> absolutely. that august atck which killed at least 100 people with ear i lee similar attack. a -- early similar attract, a truck packed with explosives, a suicide attack at that. it was a wake-up call and w said to have be a
systemic failure of security. theraqi government reonded by firing senior iraqi secity officials. it said it putew measures in place. i spe with a senior ameran official today who said, indeed, they haput meures in place. but it s not prevented these o bombings whh, again, were eerily similar. ese were trucking traveling streets where no trucks are supposed to be daytime. they apparently went through check points where tey should have been cecked but weren't. and theyanaged to exple in o of the busest times of the d, in one of he most packed places in baghda killing gernment workers as ll aspassersby, including childre >> suarez: did baghdadis head back into that neighborhood today to wrk, to shop, just to she aftereffect? >> that neighborhood rally is a collection of goverent ministries ross a very sy road. and surrounding it are sort of soviet-style apartment building so it is qui densely packed. there is not a lot of commercial activity in that immediate vicinityt isn't
too farway from the green zone. now no o can possiy work thereor the next little while. if you look at these buildings, the tos have been sheed away, basical, you can see allhe way inside and you cansee the ollapsed roofs, the collapsed ceilis, rather, floors,nd jumbled furnite, the tangled metal. thre is no one th is going to be woing in there fo quite a long time. having said that, ts is a city as yoknow that is used to devastation and people aren't afraid to go out and shopping. they a withi shopping in different areas. they very mu expect this to occur ahead of th elections. and a lot of ople are bracg for even worse. >> suarez: with those elections looming wait the gornment of nouri al-maliki that was th real rget? >> it seems to be that any governmt would have been a target. perhaps maliki who has a shi'-led govement is a bit re of a taget. this doesave the hallmarks of an al qaeda and iraq attack the nature of the types of explosives here, theophistication of the attk and the fact that
ty were suicide bmbers. ut really what it points to as 9 august 19 bombs pointeto is an attack basically on the hear of iraqi institutions, a message tt no one in iraq is safe. thathe government can't protect them. tht the institutions cannot function. and that they can't ry on their o security forces and that could have been directed at any goverent heed by anyone. really it appears to be aimed at owing that any government at a is ineectual or just can't keep it people safe. >> you said iraqis the street tol you they they beieve the partys were responsible, why wld they say tha >> absotely. they always need someone to blame. andertainly when something is horrific haens, they do cast a very wide net of blame. now with iraqi politians it's almo immediatly blaming qaeda and ba'athists. wi the iraqis on e seet that i talkedo at the site of the bomng shortly aer the bombing, ey were saying they believed that this was a
ploy to get potical per, that actuall politica parties were behind it because they wanted to destabilize oth political parties. and they were fighting for sea in the election. pele firmly believehis. some ofhem believe that the united stes is behind these bombings. evryone believes that there someone responsle for this. there are very few people who beeve thatt could simply be extremists, th it uld be people act on their own. essentially anyone y talk to at the site of the mbings believes at there is a wider networkhere. in manycases, they are pnting at the elections and saying this is a olitically motivated. >> arez: and from baghdad ja arraf of t christian science monitor, tanks for being with us. >> thanyou so much. >> lehrer: in pastan today, 11 iranians were arreed for illegally entering the coury. it happened near pakistas southwest bord with iran. pakiani officials said several of the men belonged to iran' elite revolutionaryuard. 15 members othe guard died last week in a suide bombing in in.
the iranianslamed militants cked by pakistani intelligence. former bosnian serb leader radovan karadz boycotted the openi day of his war crimes trial. the tribun at the hae in the netherlands adjourned afterust 15 minutes. we have a port from robert moore of indendent television news. this was meant to be their da after4 years of wting for jtice, the grieving mothers of bosnia arriveat th court expecting to see radovan karadzic. they were to be cruel disapointed yet again. the man accused of genocide refused to leave his cell. an emp seat, his latest act of dines at the u.n.. th judge promised e trial would gahead tomorrow, even without the dendant. >> we request . karadzic to attend so th therial is not fuher obstructed.
>> reporter: karadzic charged wit genocide and imes against humanity. at the co of the prosecution case is t claim thahe masterminded the 44 month siege of sarajevo with his random shelling and terrifying sniper fir he is also aused of ordering the massacre in which 8,000 bosnian men and boys were captured, tortured and sho the defendant didn't bother showingp today. what do we know about t defense strategy. in the back streets of belgrad i tracke down the brother of radovan karadzic, onof his most usted advisors. >> what is being blamed on , what's being said about srebotnjak --id did not happen. >> are y denying that he had command responsibility? rovan is clear on this. as soon as the tragic war
started, he issued orders, written instrucons that our sodiers should behave. soresponsibility for all actions lay with unit command. back at t court the mothers expressed ouage that karadz refused to attend. anthat the judges agreed to a day's delay. >> lehre karadzic was arrested ibelgrade in july of last year, aft 13 years on the run. e u.s. senate will debate alth care reform bill that includes a government-run plic option. majority leader harry rei announced it tay, and he said stat get to choose whether to take part. >> the national poll show wide majorty of americans support the plic option. i think it's iortant that the matter at we work on in the senate hava public option in it. andhe plic option with an opt-out is e that is fair and distinct. in fa f they don't nt to be part of thepublic otion
to get out >> lehrer:he idea of a public option s been gaining momentum in recendays, but reid would not sayif he has the 60 votes needed to getast any filibust. the story of the northwest airlines plane thamistakenly flew pastinneapolis took a new turn today. the national transportaon safety board quod the pilots asaying they had laptop computers in the cockpit th's a violation of company licy. richard ole and timothy cheney said they were checkintheir work schedes. theyenied they had fallen asleep. wall streepulled back today, in part over fears that scks have risen o far, too fast. the dow jones indtrial average lost 104 pnts to close below 9868. the nasdafell more than 12 pointto close at 2141. and the price of l dropped back in new york trang, as the doll gained strength.
and still to come on the newshour tonight, a journist helhostage; two families cope wih swine flu; and author michael chabon. hat follows our newsmaker interview with sete foreign relatis committee chairman john kerry. hejust returned from afghanista where he helped pesuade president karzai to accept a runoff elecon. margaret warner spe to kerry toay after he laid out his recommendations on afghastan. . senator kerry thanks for joining us. you said in yo speech today thateneral mcchrystal's plan goes too far, too fast. are you talking about t troop levels orhis basic overall strateg of counterinsurgency? >> the breah of theeach of the counterinsuency, he wants to start th and the number of tros to do it immediately. that doesn't meanyou might not get the,ltimately, margaret. but i think y've got to show peopl like me and oters that we have the
civilian capacity to come in under -- underneath those trps and the gernance that's gog to allow us to hold on and the afghan army memrs who will be in there with you so it's notn american face, it's an afghan movement imdiately. i think tho the ingredient are critical. and we just don't have that suffiently there to say oh, boy, let's ju go deploy this number of troops now. >> warner: are you suggesting to the esident that heimply defer a decision on additiol troops? no, i think the president could conceivay make the decision with and in many ways he could put in, he couldut in some oops, a lot of troops. codo manyumber of options. but i'm trying to suggest that the standard tt you use before y putthem o toombat, an clear an area, to start t hold an area and aually implent the counterinrgency component itself, i think you need those ingreat yents are you going to fail >> warner: bu the
ingredients youate out, some kind of effecti local and national governae. afghan security forces, a much better skordatured u.s. civilian effort, tse are big ojects, aren't they? > they don't have tobe at enormous, no. i don't agree with that. fornstance,he local vernance. you've got to identi a district goveror or a province governor wh knows who the players are andhave authoritin a tribe or thority in a particular community. and tt they are willing to be with you so that if indeed, you send your troops there to clear thead guys out, those guys wi have local authoty to begin to help to distribute thservices and do the things you need to do, rather than an american fa, an american sdier trying to tanslate to people through a translator, this is why we are here and this is what we are doing. you want an afghan ce on that. they've got to invt in ths. on the -- on the -- on the civiln piece of what you need to come in with undneath there. to se degree the military
can ke care ofart of that. they can use certain funding that we havevailable, pay people, simply, to give up theiguns and cme over. but you goto pretty quickly ha something for them to . you've got to pret quickly begin to engage them in, you know, opening up some kind of commerce and t other kinds of things you need to have sustainility. >> warner: let me see i i understand though, what you are sgest that president obama shouldo right now. he's got a pnding tro request for, if reports ae beelieved -- believed anywhe from 10 to 40 or way more,housands of troops. in e next three tofour weeks, a you got an afghan election comingp. how you are suggesting the president ca i brat his response to that -- calibrate his response to that request? >> i very respect glooe -- respectfully would sugge to him thatthey make th kinds of judgemes that i id out in the speech i gave today, about how much they fl they can commit at thisoment in the relative
weig of what we need too in pakist versus what we need to do in afghanistan, versus what we ed to do, potentially with iran north korea, with, you know, other -- you know other challenges in theorld, to balance l of that. and th specifically define what -- wt -- what is it that would have the mt impact on advaing our efforts i afanistan that we can accolish in the -- in e least costly mt effecti way to start with. see what works. prove that you can make that diference. and asou prove it, you can establishonfidence not just in afghistan, but here at ho abt fther commitments. you rush in with oo many people too quickly, without having the support structure therthat they needo make it sustainable, we're king for the undermining of our own effort. and at's what i want to avoid. >> warner: so are you ying
that if th benchmarks were met then you wodn't have a problem with 4000 additional troops? >>t depends ain, as id. i think the strategis reachina little too far, too ft. i want to se the done, the benchmark met ad the process putn place in a way at wean measurso wehave confidence about where we are going in the future. i wld rather not start with t 40. i cearly believe we can do with less begin with. and thate can be effective because we have so many troops we've just put in there. with triplehe numbers of troops already d we need to demnd more frosome of our allies i not want this to become such a significantly amerin effort. and we have a right to expect more from those nato countries that jst signed up to thi >warner: and how dyou think the uoming afghan election should playinto that interms of for the president, both the way it's concted and the outcome? >> well, obously we've got to have a government th egitimacy. i means that's very
critical. and that's one of the things that ihought was important in the work weid, you know, aeekr so ago, which was to tryo make sure we ha the opportunity to havethat government. because if ou didn't, you are really in trouble to begin with. ithink we'll comeut of here with a government of legitimacy. anthen the issue is, how do we get the reforms in place, rapidly ough, to gin to giveeople an assurae that business is going to be differe than afghanistn. >> do you think that the president should use the tro request in a way as leverage with whethe it's karzai or abdullah aullah to extract certain commitments? >> should use e request. >> well, no --. >> think the presint should absolutely leverage he significance of america's participion and what it means to the president and toafghanistan to aceve a lel of sustaability to the efrt, of cose, yes.
i ink he has every ght in t world to anticipate that our commitment to do someing is going to get eir commitment todo omething. if y can't do that, that's the basics of diplocy and friendship, we're in trble. >> you saithat you believe based on youmany,many hours of predent karzai, st ten days ago, a wee ago, that he ready to make somehanges if he is re-electe you can tell usmore? what did he actually say thaled you to believe that he understands, he's got a rruption problem, a governance problem and he's ready toake some stu political move. >> he understands absutely that there are indiduals o engage in you know fferent kinds behavior that contrary to his ierests and to the interests ofhe country. i think he understands that. and theuestion now is dentifying them and identifng you knowood people who c take their place. that he has confidence in and is willing to make cit change. part of the te here what
the president, president obama ought too will be president karzai respon to ose needs. if president karzai tries to sff the president and the united states on those kinds of chang, i would very relucnt to say hey t's put moreroops in here so we can get diddled around by these ys. i think we have to be ve smart. >> warner: thihas been a bloody weekend both in iraq and afghanistan. i wantto askou whether you thi there isnything that could happenn iraq that would slow wn our withdrawal there to e point th it would affect the ability to ramp up in fghanistan if the president may or may t decide to do? >> could mething happen, the answers yes. do i expect it to happen, i think pbablyot. because i believ that the st majority of the iraqis would li to see us go. and at is because i think th unsettled differenc of iraq have parts on all sides that kind feel they
like to get to te next step which is fighteing it amg themselves without us. i think that you are going to see some bombs go off. you will see some violence. there is not a lot that one n do torevent one individualr two who want to blow themselves up from rting people. >> warner: and then of course in afghistan today 14 americans thate knowf have already lostheir lives tay. american public opinion is already barely 50/50 on the qution of our engament there. how long do you think that the presint with whateve strate he decides can actually holdn to even that levelf support as the casualtiesount. >> only soong as we are actually demonstrating that we're having a positive impact and that we a making progrs. which is o of the reasons why i dened the kin of measurements had that i thought todayught to be laid out tre. if you c't maximize, i mean if are you going to ask some kid to put hisife on the line and are you gog
to do it and talk to those parents and look th in the eye if mething herbl terrible happens, i thi we all have an hoblgation to make certain we have maximized the ability to be successful. that means you've gotto do things i tked about. an you try to stumble ahead without some those things? yes. but does that empower you to bable to say we d everythingossible to prevent ts? o. and i think we he an obligation to maximi success. when you send young people to harm away, you owe them a strategies that's equ to theiracrifice. and the only strategy i c see that is, is one at is comprehensive and tries to get the job doneo the best of our abity. >> warner: and u don't thinwe have that now? i don't believe wehave that. i think have the capacity for it. but i don't think we actually have it in place and nctioning today, no. >> warner: senator krry, thank you. >> thank you >> lehrer: next, to gwen ill,
for a reporter's story of captity and escape in afghanistan a pakistan. >> ifill: near a year ago "nework times" reporter david rohde set out from kabul for what he thought was an interview th a local liban commander. instead he was kidnapped. for the next seen months and ten days, rohde his drer and an afghan journalist he wasworking with we held priser. they were mov to a series houses, first in afghanistan, th in the lawless tribal regions on theakistan side ofthe border, where osama bin laden is thought toe hiding. their lives were reatedly threatened. th got away only by stagg their own escape rohde told h story last week in five-rt series in "the new yor times". he joi us now to sre that stor lcome, davohde. >> thank u. >> ifillexplain for us, for those ople who didn't get tread your sees, how exactly you came to be taken. >> weere invited to an
interview by a taliban commander, as you said, a local commander just outside of kabul. head given several prior interviews to oth foreign journalists and not kidnped them. we felt we could trust him. bufrom the beginninge werebducted. and then after only 1 week in ghanistan, we were broughtinto pakistan's tribal ars. >> ifill: we all haveany ages in our minds about what it means to be held hostage, pecially in wartime, especially in an unmaed region. how were you treated >> ias treated very well physically bthe taliban. i was ner beaten. i wa giv good food and en given bottled wer. they brought me english language pakistni newspapersand they let me walk in a small ya each day. the problem was tat their -- their deman in exchange for o release were extraordinarily gh. they asked for $25 milln in a ransom at different times and then as well as prisoner from guantanamo, cuba.
and as time went b we felt they were never ging to release . >> ifill: it als sounds, however, they there were alwa threats against you, threats ofbeheading, threats against the pple ho were being held with you? >> yes. and the real hostity was directed towardshe afghan journalists and afghan driver who were with me. it wa important, you know, lesson that theostility that the taliban feel is most focused on the local afghans andakistanis who work with the united states. they stated that there is no way the united states could operate a region without the support of derate pakistanis and moderat afans and that is definitely true. so they were absolutely furious at the two afghans who werwith me and threatened them much more than they did me. and overall, since 2001, oughly 5,000 pakistanis have died fighting e talib, andven higher numbe of -- of afghans have dieand that is rouly
times the numb of amerins who have perished ther so they face thehostility and they are paying the price mt so far in the fight ainst the taliban >> ifl: you wrote that you were surprised at th level of extremism that you saw donstrated by at least th part of the taliban that held you sin 2001. y were surprised at the extreme nature of i how so? >> wel, there is many local taiban. an it's important for people to undersnd that the people who hd me are the most extme, most hard-line talan. there are local taliban fighters iide southern and eastern afghanitan who are only fighting for cal grevances, who really only want to drive western forces out of afghanistan. the people i s held with in pakistan's tribaareas where are much more hard line. these are young afghans and pakistani waspent a lot of time with foreign fighters, ara and many uzbekhs who are align with al qaeda. the real hard line taliban emerging from ts sort of
lcom in the tribal aas their goaloes beyond afghanistan and pastan. th want to work with al qaeda to establish a hard li islamicegime that would span the entire muslim world. >> ifill: you ha been a report for some time, you have reported abroad r some te. you've even been held hostage before. howifferent was the lived experience of your captiveity fromhereporting andthe reported experience of vering afghanistan and pakistan? >> i was rprised at the strength of the taliban ministate that ists in the tribal areas. you kno very senior taliban commanders as ll as arab and uzbekh militants freer free walk the treats -- streets of the tos where i was held. the guardsere trained how to makeombs to kil afghan and western soliers. really is a taliban miniate. what i sawn pakistan showed me that the emeriate.
the taliban regime tha the unitestates thought as it topled in001, it still exists toda simply moved a few miles east into pakistan's tribal are. >>fill: you write a lot about your suspicns at the time. role ofhe pakistani miitary and the military intelligence. are that with us. >> one ofhe most remarkable experiens was thawe were dven by senior taliban commanderor three hos one day to sho an outdoor video. it was one several vidos ey sent out basally to my fmily, my newspaper, ting to extort more money. we ran to a pakistani army convoy on thatrive. and basally our vehicle the taliban vehle, only the drive had to get out. under a truce agreement etween the taliban and the paktani militar, none of the other passengers have to get out when an army convoy sses. and in fact this cmander simplyaved at the pakistaniroops as they drovpast. this to me showed that uder
his trucegreement, milints, foreign militant kos hide in thback of cars and not be discovered or kidnapictims like myself could be held ere. and there does seem to be, you know, thatembers of pakistan's mlitary intellgence service not all mbers of thepakistani army b at least the military itelligence service, t isi continues tot least turn a blind eye towards the talin. and se american officials say ey even supply them with weapons and money. >> ifill: well, obvisly, the a least the obvio question after seve months and ten days of captiveity, how did youscape? >> we our caper lied to us repeatedlabout, you know, that there was a deal in the offing. and the last story they ve us was preposterous they said the unit states w willing to exchange all e remaining afghan prisors in guaanamo for us. we bacally escape at night. i had found a car tow rope bede some wrenches and motor l when we moved into this house. iid it under some o
clothes andhile our guards were asleep, weere able to use the rope to basically -- welimbed up on the roof of the house, used the rope to lower ourselves downan exterior wall that was aut 15 feet higand from there we walked to a nearby pakistani mitia base. and again the point being the are pakistani and moderate pakistanis that a against the taliba e guards on that base let us insidend protected us. they saved our lives. so there are, you know, moderate pakistanis d memberof the paktani armed foes who are opposed to the taliban. >ifill: and all three of you survived this eerience. >> we di and were extraoinarily lucky and i would ju y th more people a, you know, still mo captives and more kidnap viims are still being held in the tribal eas. we'rnot disclosing tir names or cases because we don't wnt to encourage the kidnappers from demanding even higheransom but this
problem continues. t is a taliban ministate. we werso lucky to escape and unfortunately oers will not be so cky. >> ifilldavid rohde of the "nw york times", thanks f sharing youstory with us. >thank you. >> lehrer: now, a swine u story. betty ann bowser of our heth unit repor otwo families copi with the illness. the units a partnership with the robert wood johns foundation. >> she ves -- he loves zzles. he attackshem with the enthusiasm of the nrmal rost five-year-old. so it see almost unelievable that st three weeks ago he laynear death in a wshington d.c. hospal. taken down in a maer of days by h1n1 swine flu. >> i didn't think it won't -- it would happen to us, to our family.
>> reporte: anna is his mother. she and her sband immigrated from honduras to thsuburbs of whington ten years ago. >> we couldn't havechildren r ten years. so he is a miracle child. >> reporterwhen the ltle boy got so sick so fast the were devasted. >> i don know where he got it. i dn't have any idea becae hisbrother got sck first. >> reporter: e boy's pediatrici put them on the anti-viral tamiflu, one of two dru proven effective in treing the virus. three-year-old boy got tter. but jaroy did not. > he was gettingorse. you know, he still had th fever. but it was constant but on saturday night he had a fever, nobody stop fever. we couldn't controlthe fever at l. he got to 104 fever. >> he started feeling a ot of wi coughing. he can't breathe very well. he breathe tis way.
>> he was wheezina lot. >> but very fast. >> reporter: jaroys one of a smallumber of children for wom1n1 has been a life-threateni illness. that's because he s an underlying condition, asta. which made hi vulnerable t a secondary infecon viral pneumia. the centers for disease control doesn't know exactly how many kids like jaroy have en hospitalid for swine flu. but theyestimate at lst 95 have died since april. 11 ofhem inust the second week of octer. >> he was very, very il. >> dr. david stockwell is the medical director t pediatric incens-- intensive care ut at children's naonal medical cent in washington where jaroy was rshed four weeks ago in ate respiratory distress. >> having a lung disease lie asthma can make an infection in the lungs b a ltle bit more severe than a child who is ofhe same
age who doesn't have asth. and he ha been one of our sickest patients th we have had in the late few months that hasad h1 influenza virus. >> reporter: for ten ys special ventilator helped jaroy's lgs function and pumped oxygen int his blood. his parents were given har breaking odds. >> they ge usnly 30%. >> a chance. >> repter: 30% chance. >> chance for maybe he can survive. >>eporter: were you ever at a point where you thought that you were going to lose him. >> y, yes. >> reporter: tngs got so bad atne point, the doctors we about to take drastic measures. >> he was sick engh tt were even entertaining a method called ecmo which is thebility to support the hearand lungs b taking blood out o the bodynd having a machine act as a heart and lung chine outside of the by to support him. we had thateady to go, to
support him. and luckily we were le to treat him successfuy to whre we did not need to use that. and his disse peaked. he started to get tter. reporter: doctors at children say most the h1n1 patients in the hospital haven'been as sick as jaroy. and in fact, many cases have been no worse than wha they e in a normal flu season. since the middle of septemr, we have seen the rebnd of h1n1 influenza virus come intohe hospit. it escalated fair rapidly. it seems to have been hoving in the last f weeks for around 20 patients maybe aew more, few less. but lik we talked about the severity ofhe illness does not seem to be any different than the typica standard influenza sson. >> report: what troubles him, thoug is the h1's abilitto attack the lungs. even in normallyealthy kids. >> they st said it's bad
luck. >>eporter: tracy expecd her eighyear-old kay-lee wod bounce back after coming down with h1n1 a few weeks ago. >> very lively d perky and that has been gone f the past ek. we knew she wsn't mke anythi improvement. she really ha't eaten or drank anything in abou 10 to1 days. the coh was very dry at first. and we noticed that sh had kind of gottea little bi better. like four days after the tamiflu and then thencomes day s woke up and her fevers re spiking back up again to 104. and her cough was more crackley. and shecomplained of her side hurting. that is wn we took her to the er t first time that she was diagnos with the pneumonia. >> reporter: whener condition ot worse she s transported fromer localnz hospital near ltimore to children's tional medical centr in washington. where she is recoveri. her prognosis is god. . stockwell says parents should watch for these warning sns.
>> they're trying to har to breae. those are conrning sptoms am sympts where a child is very, very, very ssy almost to the point where you nt able to hold them and console them would be a gn that may rrant more medical atttion. a child who is not eating and drinking like they typically do, these children are arisk like th a fection for becoming dydrated. so those are th sort of things that w would like to puon pents radars to be the watch for. but just reiterte,ost of these infections can be very sucssfully managed at home. >>eporter: the cdc ntinues tosay the be weapon against h h1n1 is vaccination. but the reality is there is veryittle availabl even at a major medic centerike children'there arenly a few hundred doses of vaccine right now. to address the needs of 5,000 staff and tens of thousands 6 cldren who get in patient and outpatient care at the facility.
billions ofarents aright is waiting e wants to have kay-lee and her two other children vaccinat agait h1n1. but the kids pediatricia hasn't received hhipment yet. all three kids have had their seasonal flu shs. >> thischanged all my life - >> reporter: whilthe family at on time fear the ide effects om seasonal flvaccine, they will have their o boys vaccinated against h1n1 as soon as possie. >> well, because nowi see what a virus can do for them. >> reporter: and as far as theacostas e concerned, oe is enoug. >> lehrer: we posted answs to viewers questions abou the1n1 flu vaccin >> lehrer: we've posted awers toour questions about the h1n1 flu onur web site, nehour.pbs.org.
fally tonight, writer michael chabon los at manhood in a new collection of essay jeffrey own has our convsation. michael chabon has given a wide range of male characters in his fiction inclung one students and middle-aged acdemics in theysteries of miss bg and wonder boy, the yiddish policeman's union and two world war ii er comic bookreators in the putzer prize-winning the amazing adventures of c -- cavali and clay. his newest male character is imself in his first work of nonfiction, manhood for amateu, a collection of essays examining wat cbon calls the pleasures and regrets of aather, husband and son. michael chabon joinme now. welcomeo you. >> thank you. >> reporter: onof the thingsman mood for amateurs, one of the thgs hadhat comes through loud and clear is thathis role, father, son, husband, for you nd maybe f all of u, we're all amateurs. yeah, absolutely.
i mean the idea of an amateur, i think o of the first things you think of when you heard the word is someone sort of bumbling, not necessarily doing the best job. maybe even ming it up as you go along. t for me the word h other, deepe, richer senses that are still part of our understandinof the word. itomes from a word t comes from a french word that means "a lover", an enthusiast, meone who is passione about something. and it still somemes has those connotationand we do have this idea of the amateur athlete. the pson who is doing i for love, fo love of the sport and not for money. and so i think for me, in both seses, that i don rlly know what i am dog, i am justaking it up as m going along am i keep making the me mistakes. but i also, is the source of so much of my psion is being a father, being
husband,eing son, you know, being a other. my relationships with th people around me as a n are the source of both my worknd of all the peasure that i get in life. >> reporter: u have seen a lot of thesexperiences going into ur fiction which is h i and most readers know about you. but why turn it into eays, why exploret this way so personally? >> well, you ca't use everything fiction. and some thing -- some experiens are so rich that you can take advange of them and mind them forour fiction and stl have somethingeft over to write about. a more direct, personal, nonvision ftion way. other things mit just strict me at a moment there mighte an experience like my ughter's bat -- bar ss swra, in the aftmaths way very moved, fu h ssion and if hi just l that goif i had savedhat sense of how som day pain i will write an novel where
the characte's daughter has a bat mitzvah ybe i can e that, maybe not. i just wanted to capture what i was feeng and what it meant to in that moment, themmediate aftermath. >> reporter: what comes through is howre you cosumed, maybe, byhis sense of fatherhood. and both being a son and the idea oa father in earlier generaon and then a father now. and the untless ways at knowt can be mesd up, right. you write early on, quote, a father is a man who fails every day. >>yeah. i meanust so much that you know, there a so many things that hapn where you wish you could do it over because we take that or again, could i get another try. mean sometimes you can. you kno a lot of the miakes you make as a parent you do get a do-er. it's not lasting dage that ha been done. ou can mak it up. but you know wh i lie in
bed at night thinking back ovethe day, a lot of the things i think aboutre things that i wish i had approachea little bit differently, hione differently. i wish hiealized sooner that this was realy impoant to my kid and i was kind mch dismissive at first and didn'teally take it seriously whe it was clearly somethg truly important. >>eporter: and these things do come from, is is e stuff of youraily life. mean -- >> the reiminations, you bet, yeah. >> reporter: from playing wit the kids to doubt and recrimitions. >> yeah yes, i mean i have my work which you know i own lovely and unique source of doubt and recrimition too. and i spend plentyof time about that, my writing. nd i'm prone to rumination d remorse and regret and all of those kinds of that come easily to me. maybe thas just endemic. as a wrer you spejd a lot of time going -- you spend a lot of tim going over the
past. and past experience you often are finding ways to translate those into fiction and what you write might e up no semblance to wh really happened to you. but you kind of ve to go over that ground. and in goingver the ground you oftenind much to regret. >> reporter: there is clearly a humourous side to this but ese are very serious subjects a you taking on, some very serious, suicide and depressn in onessay you ta about the suicide of david -- the writer, the depreson that your own wife suffers from. and you write here in the end could only ke sense of these thgs on my own terms it, f my own puoses, to grasp and articulate to myself wat my fiction has been saying the world all along the world like o heads was meant tbe escaped from. w that's -- you don't write a ole lot abou wrting in this book. but that was one place that struck me about the real world, writing world, how they fit togeer. >> yes, well you know, that sense of being imprisoned i my own had.
and i thin it'something, i found it, when i went lookg for tings david foster wallace had said or itten in the aftermath of his tragic suicide, i found this quote very quickly which said justwhat i had always felt myself which is that you a trapped your own head. youeel tpped. and ou are look for a cnection, a sens of connection, a way out. to fe hike you have access to the lives and mis of the people aound you. and one of the best ways e've invented for doing that as human beings is through literatre and through writinand reading a novelgives you that sense oaccess to other peopl's lives that is impossible to get otherwise. but you know that sense connection, at desire for connectiothat animates our lives as readers i think it manity -- aimates our lives in other respects to yosearch for that onnection in a fily. you search fort as a fan, i write in this book lot abut fandom and sort of
that lely person who loves somethg and just looks for other people that li it to to just connect with >> a lot eaders myse included note thatou seem to have tried o different genres, as the private detective a the young erson's novel, the coming of age. i guess y could look at this as another kind o gere, thatersonal essay. but i'm wondering is that a straty for you as a wrer this -- ar these things come up ganically as it help on their n. >> i think its my experience as a rear. as ader i love allinds of fictio al kinds of literature. i love mystery, sciece fictn. i love the most kndf modernist literatu. my tastes very wide-ranging d at first i had sense thatyou hamper my writing, i feel like if i was on allowed to write a certain kind of semi
realistic mainstream kind of ficti. and as i he gone along i started rlizing but i like to read so many different nds of things. whyan't a write mre ifferent kinds of ings and it has be liberatin for me. and fun. >> all right. so this manhood thing you expect to go professial at some point. >> no, i tnk i will be a lifelng amateur. >> reporter:he book is "man toad -- manhood for amateurs" michael cbon, thank you for talking with us. >> i enjoy it, thank you very much. >> lehrer: chabon reads a excerpt from his noveon our web site, newshour.s.org. and an onlinonly feature tonight: a look at where governmenstimulus money is beg spent. on our patchwork natn map, you can see which mmunities are benefiting, and which are no >>ehrer: again, the major developments of the da at least 14 u.s. oops and civians were killed in
helicopter crhes in ghanistan. iraqi troopsamped up security across baghdad, a d after two suicide truck bbings killed at least 155 people. and in shington, senate majority ader reid announced the senate wl debate a health care bill th includes a public option, but lets states dece to opt out. >> hrer: we'll see you online, and again here tomrow evening. i'm jim lehrer. ank you, and good night. major funding for e newshour with jim lehrer is proded by: