>> let me put this on the table for your consideration. 2010, the mission of the united nations, has it changed or is it the same continuum that it has been since its founding? you have a smile on your face. >> this is the big question. we react to the big challenges. wheat reorganize -- we organize because the challenges change. when you look at the world today, you look at the world of

increasing caps today. many people say we live in an age with multiple crises. we have the crisis of terrorism. why do these crises occur? the crisis is always a result of an unsustainable imbalances, so the gap is growing. the role of the u.n. is always to moderate. it leads to is certain balance. it is it a development of core operations between the countries. of course we can lean back in the evening, relax, and not think about the million people who go to bed hungry or the hundreds of thousands of children who die of diseases

which can very easily be fought. >> the figure that i read in 2015, so we are two-thirds of the way home with these development goals. even then, 15% of the world would be living in poverty, about 1 billion people. that is absolutely mind- boggling. is it a grand vision or is it attainable? >> it is attainable. it was to be based on right things. this is a need for everyone.

for example, the example i gave for education. decisions have been made and then as we go we try to collect those decisions. until you get enough teachers, you will not achieve anything. there must be consent from everyone. >> people have to work together. >> exactly right. the idea is to bring people and ideas and resources to the united nations so it is not just government to government critics who are some of the partners that you folks deal with? sitting next to you is some strong support, but it is everybody, it isn't it? >> the gates foundation is a major partner with us for

health. we have private sector partners like shell and morgan stanley. we are working with other governments and other foundations. >> backtrack for me. do you see the united nations as a work in progress? what is the job of the mission of the u.n. foundation? >> we tried to support the united nations work. a lot of people want to work for the united nations but they don't know how. they work through us and we can direct them to the right places it. >> you have this program, every mother every child. it is a huge commitment by johnson and johnson, a major health distributor of equipment and drugs.

aids research is going to be part of it, the vaccine and treatment for aids. i was reading something that just in the last few years, 10 times more people are getting treatment in the area that they need the therapy than just a few years ago. is that correct? >> it is. i would take a step back and say that johnson and johnson has a long legacy of working on child health. the work that we are doing as a part of this commitment focuses on research, of course, for better ways to treat tuberculosis and hiv, but also in preventing transmission to newborn babies, which is a critical part of our strategy. >> the maternal transmission to a newborn child. >> preventing the transmission

of the virus from mother to the newborn, also giving treatment for malaria, also giving treatment to children with other infections, or for example, there is a simple way to vaccinate. this continual care, the services provided, is very important for achieving the goals. this is an event tomorrow. so many partners are here. one of the largest groups in

immunization. they had achieved tremendous successes and are committed. they have done integrated programs at the community level where they have education and services. what they do is inform working women as agents of change in the community. >> let me take one moment and say you were eavesdropping on our security council. we are coming to you from the studio of the city of university of new york television. we have convened this incredible group of people to talk about something called the millennium television goals and. sit tight.

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>> we have had over the last few years and huge economic crisis worldwide, a meltdown. how has that affected the achievement of the development goals? >> i think it has affected it in different ways. it has slowed progress that countries have been achieving because of finance. an additional 16 million people will be put into poverty. in certain cases, there have been reversed progress. how you really overcome these crises and put the country back on track, that is the challenge.

this has been a little more than 2000 days. that is a challenge for the international community. >> we will not name names, but let me throw out on the table, where some people reneging on their commitments? because it was a deal. >> one of the big themes of our summit this week is a compliance with commitment. they want to implement these decisions, but very often, there is a big gap between what they promised and what they deliver. these commitments have not been delivered. [unintelligible] we are lagging far behind.

this has a big impact because we tell our partner countries, come up with national development strategies because it you will get money for funding. this gap is very destructive. >> accountability, yes. >> which can only invest in countries that are governed well where we make sure taxpayers' money is invested right to. transparency. >> that would be lovely to have, but is not always a practical thing. >> if we look at africa, many countries have really developed in the last 10 years. we have more partners than money to invest. >> somebody said that in some

countries, corruption was worse than some of the disease. >> i think there is no question about it. the people of those countries are often the poorest in the world. it is called the curse of natural resources. you see a country like nigeria which has oil wealth, and next to the oil field, there are people without electricity and modern fuels. they are playing soccer under the lights of the flaming natural gas. they are breathing in those fumes all day long. a country cannot manage the money that it has got. >> is it going to the right place? when you say let's take a step back here, are you saying everything that needs to be said? why is this happening?

>> if you have great national -- national resource wealth, people want to tend to grab it if it is easily accessible. >> what is the experience? you had a little smile on your face when we got to this area of conversation. >> the issue of corruption is real because we went through that kind of thing in our own country for some years. >> your own country being? >> kenya. you get property based on who is collecting, and that means the public [unintelligible]

but not always. when the people pull together and fight those systems, they definitely collapse. in my own country, we are getting somewhere now. a lot of resources and good to waste when there is corruption especially when people take this money out of the country. >> yes, yes, yes. >> corruption is not only a problem for developing countries. if you look at all the statistics, it is ubiquitous. i was one of the negotiators for a u.n. corruption case.

it can be an impediment. $13 billion a year was siphoned off of the economy in southeast asia alone, trillions of dollars a year is lost by corruption. you cannot compensate for these losses. >> to view our short a corporation or even individual donors who are making a commitment, that they have some reasonable assurance that the money is going with a want it to go? that is a tough one. who is keeping count here? >> 15 years ago, it very bad start, but look at this country today. within 80% have access to medical services it.

-- more than 80% have access to medical services it. within one year of the targeted intervention, they decrease the number of deaths by 66% in one country, so they can be done if there is political will, financial support, and if there is a good strategy. we have enough partners to make good advances in. >> can the united nations folks laid down the law to a country and say we are going to make this much aid available but we really want to know where it is going and how it is being used? how do you measure some of the progress we have already talked about? >> we are talking -- we are not talking about huge sums. in africa alone, this year is

$16 billion. africa is receiving $16 billion less than promised. this is real money. unless we close this gap, it makes it very difficult to achieve sustained progress, which is interconnected enough to be significant. >> there has been a lot of conversation about governance and political will, but i would like to remind your viewers that when the private sector and tears, we are looking for non- government organizations, ngo partners, to help us do what we want to do. coming from the private sector, where we believe measurement is important, we work with our partners to know what we have accomplished.

>> you are working with care, -- you are dispensing the money to these smaller, or not necessarily smaller, but unicef -- the money goes into these and then they take over these projects? >> absolutely. what we need to do, because we are not doing that directly, is it get partners that are proven. we work together with them to bring in strategic perspective. we bring up a conversation about measurement, and then we engage in a partnership to do what did is they want to do. >> they executed on the ground. >> last night, the celebrated -- they give the prize to attend nonprofit groups in africa,

latin america, and in asia. the things that they were doing was remarkable. they were protecting their natural resources, foresting their land, protecting sea turtles. they were doing remarkable things. everywhere you go, you can find groups like this to work with. you don't have to work with the government. >> good point. >> many people try to help, but we lose a lot of results to a lack of cooperation. this is what we also try to look into. these frameworks, in which we implement all of our strategies. >> i want to look back and get this on the table again it. it seems to me the environment is a huge piece.

disease, hunger, and death -- in my mind and in my reading, so much of it is keyed into women. it has to do with the education, the empowerment, and the quality of women. i would like to think that some progress is being made it. >> women in rwanda are a part of the decision making. it is not by chance that they have achieved success. women have made changes for their own lives. when women managed michael finances, they are better managers than men are. investing in women pays off for them and -- >> let me ask you a direct

question. you have seen these people trying to do the work, to help folks who are less fortunate than we are, but from an american perspective, from what you have seen, what gives you hope? what breaks your heart? >> what gives me the greatest hope is that when women are , ven resources or a chance they responded remarkably. they are on tripura norris, and then the money is invested in their family and their health -- entrepreneurs, and then the money is invested in the family and in their health.

basic skills are not in the communities, so a newborn baby does not get to take that first breath of life and parishes when in fact he or she could have been saved. >> i want to make sure that the energy piece of put on the table -- we have to live on a healthy planet. many places are around the world are so dependent on oil. we are talking about our physical security, too. >> what gives me hope is to see all these people and villages and what they have done in protecting the forest in kenya. i look at some of these villages. if they get access to energy, they can have a sewing machines, they can irrigate their fields, they can raise themselves out of poverty. if they don't, you see a country

like haiti where every hill has been stripped bare because they are so desperate. if we can give them a little bit of the electricity so they can make a living, that is how they will raise themselves out of poverty. >> why don't you want us up with the last word? -- wind us up with the last word? >> we must achieve these goals. we must put our heads together, our minds together, and move on. the environment is very key. in the strategies, when our people are forming, they

continue planting there. [unintelligible] must also -- we must also teach our kids that teachings and values in our community. >> these development goals seem like an abstract idea to many americans, but every individual can contribute in some way. whether it is buying a bed net, education for adolescent girls overseas, that is what we are trying to do at the human condition. we invite everybody to participate in that. >> i think everyone -- i want to thank everyone.

>> everybody knows about the development goals. in america, very few people know about them. because they are too far away from us. we are investing in ourfuture, k together. we will not overcome these obstacles if we do not work together and cooperate. >> i thank you for a wonderful way to end the program. thank you all very much for a wonderful conversation. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> for online video, visit our web site, thisisamerica.net. "this is america" is made

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