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it the ted cruz committee. whatever you call it, i would like to know who writes this stuff. it is so ridiculous. it is so ridiculous a proposal. how about we go to the budget table and see how we could reduce the deficit, reduce growth for our -- produced road for our country. >> with the government shutdown in his second week, the u.s. is just eight days away from the deadline to raise the borrowing limit or face a default on its debts. the looming deadline could threaten social security payments, social security ministration's, they have begun warning us against hillyer to raise the debt ceiling to put them at risk. president obama has tapped janet yellen as the next chair of the federal reserve. she's currently the vice chair under current head ben bernanke, whose term ends in january. she will be the first woman to serve in the position. a formal announcement is expected today. the supreme court appears poised to strike out most of the
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remaining limits on massive spending by wealthy donors on political campaigns. on tuesday, justices heard in mccutcheon versus federal elections commission, which has been referred to as the neck citizens united. republican leaders and wealthy gop donor shaun mccutcheon want the supreme court to throw out aggregate limits on individual contributions in a single two- year cycle, saying they violate free speech. on tuesday, the likely swing vote, chief justice john roberts, indicated he is prepared to strike down caps on donations to individual candidates, but perhaps not on donations to political committees. at a rally, senator bernie sanders said unlimited private spending is undermining u.s. democracy. >> the bottom line here is that if we do not want to move it to an oligarch form of society, where a handful of billionaires can determine the outcome of these elections, then it is imperative not only that we
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overturned citizens united, but that we put a lid on how much people can contribute in elections. [applause] freedom of speech, in my view, buy not mean the freedom to the united states government. >> the mccutcheon case marks the first major challenge to campaign finance rules since the 2010 citizens united decision, which opened the floodgates for unlimited corporate spending on elections. 200 people were arrested in washington, d.c. on tuesday in a massive rally for immigration reform. eight house democrats, including civil rights icon commerce member john lewis, were among those to taint, joining with immigration activists for sit in on a street of one of the capital. the lawmakers were arrested after addressing a crowd of thousands of people. immigration reform has stalled in the house after the senate approved a landmark measure in june.
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libya's general national congress has called on the u.s. to return a top al qaeda suspects seized this week from the streets of tripoli. theanas al-liby, wanted for 1998 usm as he bombings in east africa, is being held on a navy ship in the mediterranean sea. he is apparently been interrogated without an attorney and denied maranda rights. his arrest sparked rallies in libya and new pressure on the beleaguered libyan government. on tuesday, the libyan justice minister called his capture the kidnapping. we have made it clear to the u.s. government this is an act of kidnapping of the libyan citizen that does not comply with libyan law. a statement from libby is general congress approved tuesday says the u.s. should return abu anas al-liby.
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speaking at the white house, president obama vowed to continue u.s. rates in african countries. >> africa is one of the places where because in some cases a lack of capacity on parts of the government and in some cases because it is easier for folks vast terrains that are sparsely populated from a that your sing some of these groups gather. we're going to have to continue to go after them. but there is a difference between us going after terrorist who are plotting record to do damage to the u.s. and us being involved in wars. >> the pentagon has announced a new envoy for the closure of u.s. military prison at guantánamo bay. paul lewis will also be tasked with finding third countries to accept non-afghan nationals currently imprisoned by the u.s. in afghanistan. 17 of guantanamo's 164 prisoners
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remain on a months long hunger strike. egypt has set a date of november for for us to president mohammed morsi to stand trial for inciting the murder of protesters. he faces charges surrounding the deaths of at least 10 demonstrators killed in a protest against his government last december. hundreds of his supporters have been killed by state forces since his ouster in july. the white house is reportedly prepared to announce new coast u.s. aid for egypt's military government. according to the washington post, the u.s. will apparently withhold the shipment of a dozen ische helicopters, was ship of spare parts and the training of egyptian forces will likely continue. the u.s. has avoided the automatic suspension of military aid to egypt by refusing to deem mohammed morsi's ouster a coup. in bangladesh, at least 10 people have died in a factory fire north of the capitol. around 50 workers were wooded in the blaze. it was the latest daily incident
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for bangladesh's garment industry. 1100 garment workers were killed in april and a fire killed 100 12 last november. the death toll from a u.s. plane crash in columbia over the weekend stands at four. three of the victims were americans, tito private contractors and a member of the u.s. air force. the u.s. government says the plane was conducting surveillance of drug smuggling routes. north carolina police have acknowledged covertly spying on weekly moral monday protest against the republican- controlled state legislature. nearly 1000 people were arrested during 13 weeks of moral monday actions over the summer against the rollback of voting rights. also in a plummet benefits and abortion access. at a trial for demonstrator, the north carolina general simply police chief said he had received intelligence reports from officers who had spied on protesters planning.
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a jill civil rights attorney, who is dying of stage four breast cancer, spent her 74th birthday in a texas prison. her supporters gathered on tuesday. for hertinue their call release so she can spent her final days surrounded by loved ones. stewart's lawyers recently resubmitted her application for compassionate release to the bureau of prisons after a judge said he could not order her release unless the bureau requested it first. she had served almost four years of a 10-year prison sentence for disturbing press releases on behalf of her jailed client, an egyptian cleric known as the wind sheikh. her doctor says she is less than 18 months to live. her husband of 50 years spoke at tuesday's rally. about a month ago. the last time i spoke to her on the phone, i know she can't run,
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but i said, you sound like you are running. she says, because the cancer in my lungs is impeding her ability to breathe. we know her body is failing. it would hurt very much more of her mind failed. her mind has not failed her. her resolve has not failed her. she is determined to outlast them, and we are determined to outlast government and bring her home. >> and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!,, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. >> welcome to all our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. today we're joined by man described as one of the world's greatest living political filmmakers, costa-gavras. born in greece eight years ago in 1933, costa-gavras has won two academy awards for his films z and missing.
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his other films include state of siege, amen, music box, the confession, and the trade. for nearly five decades, he has tackled some of the key political issues of the day. z was a drama loosely based on the 1963 assassination of a greek left-wing activist. the opening credits of the film read -- "any resemblance of real events, to persons living or dead, is not accidental. it is to liberate." , told the story of american journalist charles horman. >> costa-gavras look at the usaid, theal role of united states agency for international development, and latin america, based on the kidnapping and murder of the dan.official named the film was too controversial
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for washington. a screening at the kennedy center for the performing arts in 19 72 was canceled. today at the age of 80, costa- gavras is still going strong. his latest film, "capital" tells the story of a ceo of a large bank who lays off many of the employees and brokers a corrupt deal with the head of an american hedge fund. this is the film's trailer. fears shareholders our and they're waiting. >> start hiring people. >> no way. >> you will lose our backing. in the cutthroat world of global finance, helping the little guy is a luxury you just can't afford. >> know all the angles. >> you help us and we will help you. >> you can do anything you want.
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>> i want to break free. just be careful. >> this is my wife. buyhe one thing money can't is a conscience. >> where is the president? >> redemption comes at a cost. -- corruption is priceless. is aople believe money tool. they are wrong. money is the master. >> "capital."
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from two-time academy award- winning director costa-gavras. the new film of the legendary filmmaker costa-gavras, "capital ." he joins us here in our studio. it is an honor to have you with us. tell us about "capital." >> it is about money, but essentially, about human beings. and how they are affected by money. money becomes a kind of religion in our society. the ethics are getting more and more weaker, and the money is getting bigger and bigger. and have more and more poor people and more and more rich people. the middle class is shrinking. >> did you decide to make the film after the 2008 financial crisis? >> no, i started several years before.
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during the crisis we were writing the script and we decided not to speak about it except for just one line when someone asks, how is the budget crisis? the answer is, we didn't reach yet -- no, it is about to come. >> in this scene from your film, the character marc tourneuil, head of a large french investment firm, meets with men from the american hedge fund who want to buy him out. yes, they spent many fine weekends here. to take out one of the little boats -- >> wanted to take one of the crew? >> we have to get back tonight. >> come.
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>> let's keep this between ourselves, shall we, marc? marc. only friends, >> borrowed heavily to acquire phoenix. we need it to pay off now. examine thee is to numbers on a monthly basis. >> shareholders must know where their money is. return on equity must reach 20%.
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for every major transaction, significant bonuses will be granted to you. >> how you achieve this is entirely up to yourself. your reply, you're most welcome to join the pack. >> and there you have that scene from, "capital." tellis the storyline, costa- gavras. >> marc tourneuil is just an employee in the bank. a push them up to the highest -- they put him up there just for a while. he decides to stay. he does everything he can to stay up there. that is generally the story. he is a good man in the beginning. then he becomes kind of a
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sympathetic monster. >> and you base this on a book. >> it is based on a book written by someone who is in the banking system. he was very tired and did the book. i had to change a few things. in particular, the and. in the end, the character in the book was punished. i think this is not very real, what is going on. no banker is in prison. end, he keeps on being a person that is important in the banking system. >> you research for many years. what did you find out about the finance world? are legal.out they everything they do is legal. everybody accepts them. finally, they do very negative things for society most of the time. you know that. in america, a lot of people lost their houses because of the way
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the banking system was working. >> one of the things to make a distinction clearly about between european-style capitalism and american capitalism, do you think that distinction is as clear now? >> yes. it used to be, but is less and less. they don't except the regulations. everybody says we need regulations, but there is no regulations in the american system. so they say in europe, we should get rid of our regulations, and they do because if we keep them, the american banking system would be so strong it would eat us. >> in this scene, we see the family of character marc tourneuil confront him while they're having dinner together.
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hashe ceo's family conscience, costa-gavras. >> yes, particularly an uncle who is probably a communist and with different ideals. ago,thing fell apart years so he says, we are doing a good job today because he believes what he does is commence to do
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-- a good thing to do. >> you show various resistance to the americanization of french capitalism. how do you see that playing out in the rest of europe, in other places as well? >> it is the same all over. it is really modernization of the american system. >> what you see is some of the effects of that system. inwell, you can see them what is going on in spain and greece and portugal. there are these huge debts and what i was saying before, more and more poor people and more and more rich people. the middle-class is about to disappear. >> and he made the film, among the places was miami. that was your time -- first time there? >> yes, and i was surprised to see how many private boats were there. the boat we used cost something like $60 million and there are
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hundreds of them. to take a break and when we come back, we're going to talk about some of your other films and your plans for deeplym about greece, troubled right now. we're speaking with a world- renowned greek-french film maker costa-gavras. among his films, missing him about the coup in chile, which has just passed the 40th anniversary, as well as z. we will talk about these and more. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
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>> that was the score of costa- gavras's 1972 movie, z. he was imprisoned by the greek dictatorship during the time that costa-gavras was making his famed political thriller. this is democracy now!,, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. our guest for the hour is costa- gavras. before we talk about z and missing, state of siege and your other films, let's talk about where you were born and why you left greece. >> i was born in the south of greece. occupation, all of the family came to athens. wouldrst thing my family like to do was send me to the united states because my mother had a brother here and some uncles in milwaukee. so i tried to go there, but there is no way to have a reason to come to the united states because my father had a
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resistance against the germans with a left-wing people and against the king. >> when was this? in 1951, 1952. >> resistance against the nazi's was going to prevent you from coming to the united states? >> in a certain way, yes. the certain position a my father because the family and the kids, they could not go to the university in greece. they have to present a certificate of their parents or impossible to was go to the university to study. so i had to go to france because in france, the studies were free. they still are. >> to what extent does your father's political orientation and his resistance in flood the direction your films took? >> probably did, but i don't want to know about it. [laughter] >> so you really got your
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training in paris, france. otherwise, you would have become a hollywood film maker if the u.s. have that you in. >> who knows? >> talk about your influences in paris, what it meant to come of age with french film. >> i was very, very lucky to a famous actor and his wife, who is also famous actress , working here and there. worked with extraordinary people and i was very lucky. i learned a lot about life, politics, and also movies. >> you have also said that films are always lyrical, regardless of the director's intention. could you explain what you mean by that? in other words, even if the film is not explicitly about politics, it is still political? >> yes.
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it is enough to see how the movies are made and what they show. i used to say that some of the movieswere just action indirectly or sometimes directly. they teach people that violence is necessary or that kind of things. the effect they have on young people. >> let's talk about z, which had a profound effect of people all over the world. i want to play a clip from the famous opening sequence of z. this is the chief of police addressing a meeting of government officials on the dangers of the left. onsunspot start to multiply the face of the golden orb. god refuses to enlighten the reds.
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scientists forecast an increase in sunspots due to the arrival of beatniks and pacifist in certain countries such as italy, france, and scandinavia. as head of law and order here in the north, i wish to tell you high civil servants. we must preserve the health the elements of our society and heal those that are ill. tonight the enemy is holding a meeting in our city. but we are not an ism. we are a democracy. >> from the opening sequence of costa-gavras's " z." you famously play the credits saying any resemblance to real events, to persons living or dead, is not accidental. it is deliberate. explain what happens in this film. >> in this film, the royal
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family and some military decided to eliminate a new politician who was proposing a new way of politics in greece. in that time, it was the cold war. he w proposing a different way, a middle way i'm a with no war, with no military spendings and so forth. they decided [indiscernible] they kill him. the fact would disappear except for a good judge, a right wing judge and his father was an important leader, and he decided for justice. he went on and on. that is the story. about that judge in the way he acted. >> let's turn to part of the trailer for the film " z."
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it was banned under the military junta. >> it is not obvious there are targeting troublesome witnesses. >> spare me your advice. >> they knew i had vital information for you. on my way here, a car tried to run me down. >> you fell and hit her head on the sidewalk. >> know, someone hit me. i was going to meet the judge because i have the truth about the deputies murder. >> that was an excerpt from the trailer of your film " z." can you tell us why you decided
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to make the film in french? >> there was no way to make it in greek. >> would that have been your preference? >> essentially, yes, because it was a greek story. i had to make in french with french actors. we did not have so much money. we were able to make it really very easily because of the famous actress i had in the movie. >> explain the actor's significance and the music we're are listening to, underline the film, he was imprisoned during this time. >> he was in prison and there was no way to have him make the music thomas so i could talk to him through a friend and he said alle, just take pieces from of my music. >> why was he imprisoned? >> because the military government did not like him.
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>> he pointed out it was difficult to get financing for the film. actors --jor >> a number of the major hollywood studios said political films are always poison at the box office. >> that's right. nobody would like to produce the movie. finally, we did it. it was a prize for all of us. movie, theof the audience was applauding. it was something very new. >> and you won the oscar for this for best foreign film. >> yes yes. there were five or six nominations. >> the significance of this, although you don't like to talk about political filmmaking, that a political film like this, that was banned in your own country, could not be seen at this time, was winning the academy award and being acknowledged for the rest of the world?
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>> people like the movie. [indiscernible] your co-screenwriter for the film has said that the film has significance far beyond the particular situation that was represented in it. you said, let's not try to reassure ourselves this type of thing doesn't only happen elsewhere, it happens everywhere. do you see a certain universal theme in z? >> yes. essentially, the military government controlled the police and the army. there's noacy -- democracy anymore. this happens in a lot of countries around the world, even today. scenes,f the opening preparing for the big political rally, hall says to the organizers of this great protest, get out of here. there are p signs everywhere. i don't care, i don't way her
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money. asking for peace everywhere because ther -- the russians were preparing war with the atomic bombs and the americans were doing the same thing. the big fear was to have an atomic war, which the a total catastrophe for the earth. >> so we move forward decades. you have just finished "capital ," but you're moving on to make a film about your own country. you have lived for decades in france, but you're now going to be looking at greece. >> i'm trying, i'm trying. i'm trying to find the right script to make their. i am very curious to show how the greek people, the majority of greek people, suffered. >> let's talk about what is happening there. the greek government has launched a probe of the neo-nazi old and on party in the aftermath of the killing of a prominent hip-hop musician who
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was stabbed to death by golden dawn supporter outside a café last month. the murder sparking a new wave of protests against golden dawn, which placed third in last year's greek election. on monday, greek parliamentarians condemn the party. this is, in his party lawmaker liana kanelli. >> the problem is not deciding if they are a gang or not. i think everybody has artie understood they are. like all theal nazi's. if you want to be a nazi, then you can't be anything else but a beast. the problem is now to convince people that they have never been, they are not, and there'll never be the solution of any of the popular problems. >> costa-gavras? z if you see the movie, in
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you can see them, but at the time it was a smaller group. because of the crisis, the group blew up intermittently. they're promising changes in greece, to save greece from the crisis, which is completely fake. unhappy, soare so miserable, so they think they can find a solution by going to these people, who are fascists, like the nazis used to be. >> did you spend any time in greece when the protests were occurring? >> yes. i saw people trying to say, you have to stop them. finally, the government's decided to stop them. we will see how far that will go. >> we got word out you're going to be the guest on our show for the hour and people were writing in from all over the world questions. on our facebook page --
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>> it doesn't have solutions, has questions and that is all. the solutions have to be found from the politicians, from people we vote for. and also the european community and others. i don't have the solution. the problem in greece is very complex, [indiscernible] >> do you think now, depending on what shape your film takes now on greece, your future project, is it easier or harder to get financing for films of this kind? >> it is harder. >> even in europe? >> even in europe. but in france, it is much easier with their system. >> which is what? >> small help from the state, but also the television channels are obliged to produce movies.
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>> that is fascinating. greece, fromfrom europe, to latin america, where you have also done some very powerful films. this is the trailer for your 1982 oscar winning film "missing," which follows edmund horman, the father of u.s. journalist charles horman, as he joins his daughter-in-law who is played by sissy spacek and joyce horman is the woman, and the search for his son. >> the name of missing person. >> i have answered it a thousand times. >> the name of missing person, please. >> you have been in touch with our embassy down there? >> they don't seem to know my son is missing. >> the date of disappearance. >> he has been gone two weeks.
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he could be hurt or tortured. >> the time of disappearance. >> i looked for him everywhere. he is just gone, vanished. after analyzing all the data, we still come to the conclusion he must be in hiding. notou know damn well he is in hiding. >> i don't hear of your antiestablishment paranoia. >> why don't you just go home? i will find my husband by myself. >> where is he? >> he should be out of the country sometime -- >> there's another theory that he was picked up by leftists. >> there are people who think it may have been his idea to make it look like they were arresting americans. >> they are arresting americans. what stupid thing to charles do? >> he was a bit of a snoop. poked his nose in around a lot ous places.
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it is like a fire zone. >> if you paid attention to the basics, this never would've happened. >> i don't want to fight with you, iust want to get charlie back. what kind of world is this? >> he said the men must disappear, that he knew too much. >> don't you think that is a hell? of a statement >> how can i verify that? >> you can't. >> do you think he is dead? countryot leaving this until i find my son, alive or dead. hands, you can blindfold me, i just want my boy back.
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he is the only child i have. trailer "missing," the oscar-winning film of 1982. we just passed the 40th anniversary of the u.s. backed coup in chile, another september 11, 1973 backed by president nixon and secretary of state kissinger. who was charles horman and why did you decide to make this film? you have these great actors, sissy spacek, jack lemmon. jack lemmon accepted to make the movie and i was very lucky. the story is a young american who goes to chile. and he gets there, the same day he decides to get one liter of milk to a young child.
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>> the president of chile is giving milk to every poor child. says, this is a great system, so he decides to stay. filmmakernd he is a and also a journalist. the day of the coup, he meets american officials, military, and discovers something wrong is going on. a few days later, he disappears completely. his father goes down there to find him. jack lemmon play the part. his father, who voted for an extended time, and thought his son was kind of a fill your -- who voted for nixon at the time, and thought his son was a failure, discovers his son was a good person and his country was doing something very negative down there. that is the story. i was happy to have jack lemmon who decided to play because he
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was extraordinary as well as sissy spacek. >> i was with jack lemmon son at a 40th anniversary of the coup event who talked about how deeply meaningful this film was for him. he was really considered a comedic actor. how did you see beyond that, costa-gavras, to say, i want jack woman to play charles horman's father? i said i would like jack lemmon. everybody was like, jack lemmon, are we doing a comedy? i said, no, he has made some good movies, is very good. there was a real fight. after a while, the producer said, ok. he said if jack lemmon's likes it, let's have jack lemmon. festivals.ds and in particular, he was so good, like a middle-class
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american. >> one of your producers said it would be impossible to make the film now. >> yes, it is. >> y? >> hollywood is completely different. big, bigdo those movies with special effects and a lot of action and killing in the kind of things. there are a few good movies now they stopped because [indiscernible] the kind of monsters they do. >> i want to go back to "missing." when we see joyce horman, the widow of charles horman, although she doesn't know she's a widow at that time, she is called that and played by sissy spacek. joyce was nervous about someone making a film and wanted to distance yourself, though she recently told me which would to mexico where you're making the film, she is astounded by what you were doing and was changing her mind at that time. she and jack lemmon, who plays charles horman's father, though to the stadium in chile where they're allowed to get on the
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loudspeaker and ask if he is there. thousands of sympathizers of ousted president salvador allende were rounded up and taken to the stadium following the september 11, 1973 coup. >> this is beth. i'm here with your dad, charlie. and the american consul. , please, can hear me come out. >> charles horman, this is your father edmund [captioning made possible by democracy now!] . >> i'm here and hope that you .an hear me
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charles. charles, do you remember when we ok that trip together and cross country from l.a. to new york? us. the two of >> what a scene. stadium.d viktor jara as we wrap up this part of the discussion, i want to talk about siege after break him a you made this a mexico. you could not make this during the coup. another latest news, ray davis, who was responsible for the death of charles horman, he may well have died in chile recently. i saw joyce the other night at the premiere of your film "capital" and she says she needs
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to be convinced u.s. embassy she feels is not coming clean on the some the decades later. about, they tried to have what happened to charles, but the american government did not give to them. the case is still pending. >> how was the film received in the u.s. when it first came out? >> very well. very well for some people. >> costa-gavras is our guest for the hour, the world-renowned greek-french filmmaker. only come back, we will look at "state of siege," about u.s. official in latin america involved with torture. he was kidnapped and he himself was murdered. we're also going to talk about his film on a past pope. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
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>> the music by the greek physician mikis theodorakis for
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the score at the 1972 movie "state of siege." this is democracy now!,, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. the for >> let's go to a clip from the 1972 film "state of siege," based on the kidnapping and murder of u.s. official who taught torture to uruguayan officers. ise the u.s. aid worker being interrogated by one of his kidnappers about his work with the countries repress the police force. in 1969 arrived in our country. >> yes, in july. >> you had an office in the headquarters. >> yes, the usaid technical assistance. >> and another in the embassy. >> exactly. exactly.
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in fact, i only worked there. i want to be headquarters every 15 days. so you see, i've never involve myself with much in the affairs of the police. >> only you directed them. >> i'm not as important as you think. >> you are. you are, anyway much more often to the headquarters. a parking space was reserved for you next to the police chief. you're right every day between 8:45 and 9:00 will stop and you had your own operas on the same floor as him. >> do you know the captain? >> well enough. >> since when have you known them? >> since i came here. a year, more or less. >> no, you knew them in 1967 in washington, the international police academy. >> that was a clip from costa- gavras's 1972 film. costa-gavras, could you talk
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about the story behind this film question mark who was dan it's really -- mitrioni? >> he was supposed to be there to help greek literature and other universities. it was a left movement, military movement, but very peaceful at the time. because they had discovered he was teaching the police help to torture and change the police system. liberateasked him to prisoners. if not, they would kill him. the government decided not to liberate prisoners and they had to kill him. that was the very first inaction which was so negative [indiscernible] you choose to take on
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the story? >> i like the story because it was very much a greek story. it happened in latin america. i would like to show it was the same thing, in a certain way. it was supposed to be peaceful and nice. most were doing something negative. and it was very controversial when it came out. >> very negative and controversial, including the united states. the movie was shown here. it was produced with an american company. here and around the world. >> i want to ask you quickly about your 2002 film "amen" that looks at the links between the vatican and nazi germany. the central character nazi officer played in the hygiene institute who learns the process he develops to eradicate typhus is being used for killing jews and extermination camps. he attempts to notify the pope, because little response from the catholic hierarchy.
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>> i just got back. they are exterminating jews. >> you should know the majority behind mr. hitler. >> people are arriving at those factories of death. only the vatican can do something to stop those atrocities in only his holiness by alerting the world public. >> that was an excerpt from your film "amen ergo did you talk about what you revealed or wanted to reveal in that film and that pope and the pope we have now? the truth is, the pope knew
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everything about the extermination of the jews. it was the most important person in the world at that time and he did not speak about that. instead, a young priest and german officer that new, they try to inform the embassies in all the world, risking their lives. it is a story about resistance, kind ofle resist any situation like this one. quick something your father did. >> yes, yes. and with lots of risks. >> and the pope today? >> a major change. it is surprising to listen to him, to read what he says about the choice. i think for the first time in the history of the church at the pope speaks about money and says money is not so important, human beings are important. this is very new.
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>> which brings us back to her film "capital," which is premiering around the united states. we thank you so much, costa- gavras, for being our guest for the hour. his films include state of siege, missing, the academy award-winning z as well is missing. his most recent film, just opening in the united states, yorktal" opens here in new in november. that does it for our show. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]
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tavis: good evening. from los angeles, i am tavis smiley. >> tonight, a conversation with actress jessica lange. she has added children's book offer to her long list of accomplished -- of a couple showman predict the book is called "it's about a little bird ." she is also returning to the third season of jessica lange," this year's title, "coven." a conversation with jessica
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lange coming up right now. ♪ ♪ and by contributions to your pbs station, viewers like you. thank you. tavis: jessica lange is one of the countries most celebrated actress. she has two oscars into enemies.
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for three years, she has been taking on various roles and hit series "american horror story." ."is season is called "coven she is also a grandmother, and in that role, she has published her first children's book or it is called "it's about a little bird." before we talk about the children's story, first a look at a scene from this season of "american horror story: coven," which begins airing tomorrow night. >> the fountain. a kind of holy place for our border. she led an 1970s, alternative coven down here. she and her sister witches would gather there, proudly and publicly, very much in the spirit of the times. but it was damaged during katrina, and the authorities used it as an excuse to declare this sacred place a safety hazard. it has been closed off ever since. >> i don't understand why we can't get in. >> tear the wall down.
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>> this is seriously the worst ever. >> each one of you has a unique gift. that is not nearly enough to be a real which. >> you're a real which? -- witch? >> that one, she is smarter than all of you put together. tavis: how are you liking this tv thing? >> it's interesting. what i like about it is that you've got this different character, different story each year. that part of it has been good. , youlows you the time know, 13 episodes, 13 hours, to develop the character, but then you don't have to come back to it ever again. that i like. tavis: what can you tell us, to the extent you can, about the character you play this season? >> well, it is no mystery. we are dealing with which is -- witches.
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my character is the supreme of this coven. say ald be what i would wasted life. [laughter] power and talent and everything that were given her have been just kind of used for the most selfish, self- serving, and she is at a point in her life, confronted with her own mortality, where it's like you want to put the brakes on the freight train and turn it around, but it's too late really. atdeals with interesting -- least from my character's point of view, i think really kind of this moment in life where everything comes into question. how do you proceed from there? tavis: have you had one of those moments in your life, or is that moment yet to come