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>> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week," breaking news. a daring raid by the elite delta force deep inside syria that just killed a key isis leader, can his captured wife reveal crucial information? mystery on the tracks. the fbi now investigating. did a projectile hit the doomed amtrak train moments before it crashed. sentenced to die. why dzhokhar tsarnaev could spend decades behind bars despite that dramatic death penalty ruling. plus, 2016 surprises. republicans turning on jeb bush's iraq misstep, democrats piling on president obama on trade. senators mitch mcconnell and dianne feinstein are weighing in. >> announcer: from abc news,
"this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now. and we have lots to get to this morning. new developments in that amtrak crash, the fbi on the case. we'll be joined by the lead investigator for the ntsb. but first, that daring delta force raid deep inside syria, they set out to capture abu sayyaf the man in charge of funding isis he was killed in the firefight, but u.s. forces did capture his wife and key intelligence and abc's terry moran reporting on the raid and terry, this was a risky operation. >> reporter: it certainly was, good morning, george, it was high-risk operations sending these american troops deep into the heart of isis-controlled territory in syria. but the president decided that the intelligence was good enough, the target valuable enough, and the delta force troops lethal enough to roll the dice here. the daring raid happened overnight friday. the elite delta force troops taking off from iraq, heading deep into syria. their mission --
capture and interrogate abu sayyaf. isis' top moneyman. former special forces officer jim gavrilis. >> this is not just another person. >> reporter: a counterterrorism official tells abc news that sayyaf is believed to be the isis leader to be given american hostage kayla mueller as a forced bride or slave. the question on many minds after thousands of air strikes on isis targets. why risk a dangerous ground operation? >> we really wanted to capture him, no question about that. he could have given a lot of information about their whole financial structure. >> reporter: but fate would have otherwise. on the ground at sayyaf's house, a fierce firefight. isis defending the building, using women and children as human shields, the pentagon said. alt time combat so close,
commanders using hand to hand training. >> it happens in close quarter battles. they'll even duck under their rifle. >> reporter: abu sayyaf killed in the firefight. say rafa's captured held for questioning. all american personnel returned safely after scooping up laptop computers that could prove to be an intelligence windfall. the raid comes as isis has been making gains in recents in ramadi. what happened to sayyaf this weekend sends a unmistakable message to isis leaders, u.s. intelligence is improving and they're not safe anywhere. >> okay, terry, thanks. more on this from michael morell. mr. morell, thank you for joining us this morning. take us inside the decisionmaking this morning. is it a success even though abu sayyaf killed not captured?
>> so, george, really important here, the real value here is taking a guy off the battlefield who's incredibly important to the organization, to funding it, to running it, very close to the senior leadership, taking him off the battlefield very important. it would have been great to keep him alive and questioned him, but his wife worked very closely with him. she'll be able to tell us a lot, george. those computers, that information we got is going to help us understand the organization better, unravel it. >> in your new book, you explain some of the intelligence files picked up after the 2014 raids deep inside syria, we learned about the ambitions of isis there. >> two documents in that cache was is how effective weapons of
maz destruction can be. that is us. and how you make bubonic plague and used that against the enemy, and that is us. the religious justification for using weapons of mass destruction. >> we could be learning more from these new files. as terry mentioned, isis taking hold of ramadi right now, what is your judgment on where the war stands right now and the most important thing that the united states needs to be doing? >> so, george, number one, we have taken back about 25% of the territory that isis took in iraq, still a lot more work to be done but we are doing well in iraq. it's syria where we need to do better, there aren't troops on the ground in syria, there's not a way to take back territory in syria right now, this raid sends a message. but we'll have to take back territory in syria as well as iraq. >> what is your greatest fear from isis?
>> i think what we just talked about, an attack in the homeland, using some sort of weapons of mass destruction. if they get a safe haven and they get it over the long term, those are the kind of things we have to worry about, george. >> thank you, michael morell. we turn now to that deadly amtrak crash the fbi has joined the investigation and here's abc's did david kerley with the new developments. >> reporter: what happened in the last moments of amtrak 188, the train quickly accelerated in its last minute, barrelling down the tracks north of philadelphia at more than twice the speed of the corner ahead. captured on this footage obtained from wpvi. moments later, a flash as the train careened off the track. now an account of some kind of a projectile hitting the windshield. >> she also believed that she heard her engineer say something about his train being struck by something.
>> reporter: the fbi's been asked to join the investigation to examine the damage to the train's windshield and reports of other trains in that area being struck at about the same time. >> an unknown object made contact with that train, shattering the windshield. >> reporter: but even if the amtrak train was hit by something before derailing how does that explain the sudden acceleration. it's at its speed limit 75 miles per hour. in the final minute a quick acceleration 80, then 90. just 16 seconds before derailment more than 100 miles per hour. reaching that 50-mile-an-hour curve, the brakes are applied but it's too late. the engineer tells investigators he has no memories of the crash itself. shut down part of the busiest rail corridor in the country. before reopening the federal railroad administration is ordering amtrak to take some immediate safety cautions. -- precautions.
calling for inspections of curved tracks and increased speed limit signage on the northeast corridor. but this corridor doesn't have the newest technology that could actually stop a speeding train. he now promises that technology. >> by the end of this year, it will not happen again. >> reporter: when you heard that this train was 106 miles an hour in a 50-mile limit, what did you think? >> there was a sickening in my stomach. >> reporter: that high-tech system is supposed to be all american rails and trains by the end of this year. the railroads and the rail lines say they won't meet that deadline. they're asking for an extension until 2020. >> okay, david, thanks very much. let's get more on this from the ntsb lead investigator robert sumwalt, what more can you tell you about this idea of a projectile hitting this train? >> you know, this idea of
something striking the train, that is one of the many things we're looking at right now. we interviewed the amtrak -- viewed the dispatchers and we listened to the dispatched tape. we heard no communication from the amtrak engineer to the dispatch center to say that something had struck his train. >> nothing at all? >> one theory, nothing reported early on. you have spoken now with the engineer, he's remembered so little, so, are you any closer to figuring out the cause of the crash? >> at this stage, george, we're in the fact-finding stage of the investigation. i will say this we have called for inward-facing cameras for a long time if we had cameras, that would have helped with this investigation significantly. >> have you been able to rule anything out? i spoke with the engineer's lawyer the other day, he said that the engineer was not
drinking, no drugs in his system, not texting at the time, his phone was locked away, have you been able to confirm all that? >> we have conducted a drug and alcohol testing. we have also requested the cell phone records as we do for any transportation accident. so, these are the many things that we are doing. we slowly start, we start gathering the information and slowly start ruling things out. >> and what's the most important thing you need to know right now? >> i think what we need to know that the ntsb is conducting a very thorough investigation. we'll get to the bottom of this. we have to have positive train control implemented soon to keep things like this from happening in the future. >> but we just heard it may not happen by the end of the year. >> well, you're right, and that's very troubling to the ntsb. we have seen countless accidents over the years that could have been prevented had positive train control been implemented. >> okay mr. sumwalt, thank you for joining us. let's get more on this from pierre thomas who covers the fbi and our chief legal analyst
dan abrams. pierre, describe the fbi's role in this. >> they can help solve the mystery of the cracked glass. fbi forensic scientists will work with their ntsb counterparts to look at the window to determine if the cracks were caused by the derailment or projectiles. depending on what the ntsb wants, they could ship it down to the fbi lab in quantico, virginia. there they can use high-powered microscope to peer into the cracks that may offer clues. the bureau may also do comparisons to the other two trains that were possibly hit that night and in addition the fbi will canvas the entire area to see if there was anything suspicious going on. >> dan, what are the possible legal implications here? >> there's criminal and civil. criminal, could the engineer be charged with the crime? theoretically yes, but they would have to found that he did
something wrong. the crash itself doesn't mean there was -- recklessness or intentional conduct. they'll look at that. number two is civil, which is all of these people that are injured are going to sue. interesting, in 1997 there was a law passed that's there a cap of $200 million total for all of the victims together in a train accident. considering you're talking about hundreds of victims here, $200 million, you could argue might not even cover all of the medical expenses in connection with this case. that's something that will be under the microscope, that particular law. lawyers will try to get around it, et cetera. >> certainly, while we have you here, tsarnaev sentenced to death by that jury. this is the beginning of what could be a very long appeals process. >> it will be. but let's remember
the best thing he could get is a new trial. no one is going to order an acquittal for him. very unlikely he'll get a new trial. what's interesting, when you read the verdict form, three of these jurors bought into the defense's argument. he was under the spell of his brother. yet, despite that, these three jurors, in addition to the nine others, all agreed to sentence him to death. >> is that grounds for an appeal? >> it's not grounds for an appeal in and of itself. but expect the defense to focus on those jurors, meaning when they say that there were legal errors in the case and as a result we should get a new trial, they'll highlight the fact that those three jurors seem willing to accept the heart of the defense. >> okay, dan, thanks very much. some news you may have seen about me, over the last several years, i have made donations to charities including the clinton foundation, a matter of public record, i should have made
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back now with the race to the white house and a tough week for jeb bush, struggling to answer questions about the iraq war, raising new questions about his readiness for the campaign trial. abc's jonathan karl reports on how he's recovering from the misstep. >> reporter: on the campaign trial in iowa yesterday, jeb bush took new heat over his brother's record on iraq. >> the facts that were there for the president was grounded on faulty intelligence, but the power of hindsight isn't give given to us. >> reporter: five answers in four days to this basic question. >> would you have authorized the invasion? >> i would have. >> reporter: the next day bush said he misheard the question. >> i heard something -- i didn't, whatever i heard it was translated, knowing what you knew then what would you do. >> reporter: while he was clarifying, his republican
rivals were coming forward saying they had no problem answering the question. >> no one we would have gone to war with iraq. >> i think even at the time i thought invading iraq was wrong. >>jeb bush said in an interview this week, he would have authorized the invasion of iraq. he would haven't done it for the same reason his brother did i to capture the genie from aladdin. >> reporter: by the end of the week, bush finally came up with his direct answer. >> knowing what we know now what would you have done? >> i wouldn't have gone into iraq. >> reporter: even before this stumbled, iraq threatened to cast a long shadow over jeb bush's campaign. the most unpopular decision of his brother's presidency. criticizing family this week he said is a hard thing he has doing.
>> it's just not going to happen. >> reporter: but this week's iraq drama raises questions for bush, not just about the war but the readiness of a campaign before he's even entered the race. for "this week," jonathan karl, abc news, new york. there were also headaches for democrats this week, fighting among themselves over president obama's free trade plan, it's getting bitter and personal, with everyone choosing sides except hillary clinton. abc's cecilia vega reports on her big hedge. >> reporter: an embarrassing political defeat handed down by his own party. president obama's 12-country free-trade deal initially blocked by senate democrats, a resounding setback, some calling it downright open rebellion. >> what we just witnessed here the democrat senate shut down the ability to debate. >> reporter: two days later, obama cleared a key legislative hurdle.
now a vote will happen this week. though the president is still struggling to gain support in both houses. >> the fight is not over. >> we can't keep pushing through trade deals that benefit multinational companies at the expense of workers. >> reporter: but there's more than obama's legacy on the line, there is an election, with more voices, republicans and democrats joining the chorus asking, where is hillary clinton? as that nation's top diplomat. she spearheaded the nation's pivot to asia. >> the idea is to create a new high standard for multilateral free trade. raise labor and environmental standards and drive growth across the region. >> reporter: but so far, presidential candidate hillary clinton remains noncommittal. >> well, any trade deal has to produce jobs and raise wages and increase prosperity and protect our security.
>> reporter: progressive leaders are hoping for more. >> i believe that hillary clinton cares about working people. it would be helpful if she were more definitive on the partnership. >> reporter: and it's not just the trade deal, clinton also coming under fire this week for not taking questions from reporters on the campaign trial, by our count, george, she's answered just nine questions. >> she released some eye-popping speaking fees. >> we have those numbers for you. she declared that she and her husband bill clinton have earned more than $25 million since 2014, that puts the clintons in the top .01 of 1%. making hillary clinton the second wealthiest presidential candidate behind carly fiorina. >> okay cecilia vega, thank you very much. coming up, the president's controversial trade bill in
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i'd like to thank the president, too -- no, you're not hearing things. president obama has done his country a service by taking on his base and pushing back on some of the more ridiculous rhetoric we have heard. >> and there's the senate majority leader this thursday, mitch mcconnell, he joins us live right now. mr. leader thank you for joining us this morning. this is president's top legislation, this trade policy. you appear to be his pointman in the senate what is it going to take to get >> we'll pass it later this week. the president has done an excellent job on this. i point out to my members who
are somewhat squeamish by giving the president a power on any issue, given his expansive view, on his powers on so many other issues that is a trade promotion authority not just for president obama but for the next president as well, this is a six-year trade promotion authority bill that will give the next president an opportunity to enter into additional trade agreements with other countries around the world. we know america is a big winner when we lower barriers to our products abroad, it also has a foreign policy and defense component. a lot of the counties in asia pprehensive about not only chinese economic domination but potential chinese military domination. they would like to get closer to us and this is a great opportunity to do that as well as to benefit america and create more jobs here in this country. >> i saw your smile when you
discussed president obama. you describe your relationship with the president right now, an out of body experience, how do intend to build on that? do you want to build on it? >> well, we got a new senate now. we're actually voting again, we voted more than a hundred times in the first quarter this year, last year only 15 roll call votes the entire year. we passed a budget four of the last five years. the senate didn't pass a budget which is required by the law. the senate is getting back to work and what i'm doing is focusing on things upon which there is bipartisan agreement. we passed an excellent iran nuclear review. the president is going to sign it. we have a cybersecurity bill that's coming forward. elementary and secondary education came out of that committee overwhelmingly. now, we're trying to focus on things that we can agree on that
will make progress for the country, george. all of those will probably come to the fore on spending bills. we want to spend more on defense and they want to spend more on everything. we don't have a personality problem, we just had differences on issues. but there are some things that we agree on and i try to focus on things that we do agree on. >> one area where you still appear to be at odds is this nsa telephone surveillance program, the white house backs a bill passed by the house which would help telephone companies keep the records and the government collection. 196 republicans if the house voted for that bill, why are you worried about it? >> actually the bill passed the house does not require the telephone companies to keep the records. i figure the house-passed bill will end the program. i want to assure the people that
there are plenty of safeguards in this program. no one is routinely listening into your telephone conversations, in order to intercept any actual discussion, they have to go to the court, get a court order, this has been a very important part of our effort to defend the homeland since 9/11. we know that terrorists overseas are trying to recruit people in our country, to commit atrocities in our country, like the boston marathon massacre, i don't want us to go dark in effect. i'm afraid that the house-passed bill will basically be the end of the program. we won't have a tool to combat this terrorist threat from overseas. >> your own senate colleague from kentucky rand paul wants to end the program. he said, i will fight tooth and nail to stop a blanket reauthorization of this attack on our freedoms. how do you respond to that?
that the nsa surveillance program is an attack on our freedom freedoms. >> well, rand paul and i agree with most things, we don't agree with this. he doesn't like the house-passed bill, either. reasonable people can differ. i think it's an important tool if we're going to have the maximum opportunity to defend our people here at home. and i don't think the house bill does that, i think it basically leads us to the end of the program. what i would rather see, george is a couple a month extension of the program, that this new bill that passed can work. >> that could face a filibuster? >> we'll see what happens. this is the security of the country that we're talking about here, this is no small matter. we see it on display on almost a weekly basis. earlier in your program, we talked about the raid that was
carried out in syria, that was over there, what i'm worried about is what happens over here, this program has been an important tool in helping to protect the homeland. >> are you confident that raid was a success? are we now on offense against isis? >> the president has done a good job with these special operations-type missions. where i think the administration has fallen down, they tend not to favor generally speaking capture and interrogation, although it's good that the wife of this terrorist was captured and will be interrogated. i have been just stressed about the willingness to release prisoners at guantanamo. look you know this is not a criminal criminal-type matter this is a defense matter. what you want to do is you want to capture people, you want to interrogate them and try to prevent the next atrocity. i wished we had more emphasis on capturing, detaining and interrogation, then on strikes,
although these strikes are important. >> finally, sir, you mentioned that you and rand paul agree on most things. he's one of three senators running. he's your candidate for president. 30-second case for him being president? >> one of the great things that rand paul has done is reach out to different con studentsies. he's very appealing to young people. we all know that in order to be competitive in presidential elections, we have to carry more voters than we have in recent years. which is not enough to win the white house. rand has brought kind of a new brand of republicanism. i wish him well. >> senator mcconnell, thank you. >> thank you. let's turn now to senior senior democrat dianne feinstein. thank you for joining us this morning. you just heard senator mcconnell on that raid inside syria this
weekend, your assessment? >> my assessment is that it was a success, it's the kind of one-two punch that we should do more of, and i believe that if we're not going to put troops on the ground then we've got to use our special operations forces. to go in and collect intelligence, also be able to capture people that might be able to be helpful. this is the second time that this has been tried in syria, the first time it was not successful, that was to rescue hostages. but, now, this was, i think, a picture-perfect raid, everything went according to plan. but, the demise of the principal, obviously, took place when the aim was to capture, as i understand it, but i'm very worried about the islamic state. it is now in at least 12 countries. around north africa, around the middle east. it is organized. it is an impressive fighting force.
it occupies territory, it runs a government and most importantly it is evil. it annihilates in the most brutal of ways. and so, i think we have to get serious about what we're going to do not only to contain but to eradicate this force. >> let's talk about trade. you just heard senator mcconnell there. some scrambled coalitions on this force. do you agree with senator mcconnell that the trade bill is going to pass and do you support it? >> i do support the trade bill. i'll tell you why. i'm a born and raised californian, on the rim of the largest trading basin of the world. nothing is going to decrease the trade between countries along the pacific ocean. it surpassed the atlantic several years ago, therefore the kind of trade, free trade, the ability to have enforcement mechanisms to prevent
anti-dumping to protect copy copyright, is very important. and that's what this will do. the enforcements section and the trade assistance section which passed the senate with more than 70 votes is vital to this. i think with the three combined there is a very good bill. i want to straighten one thing out and that is that most people think that this is a bill for corporate america. in california, 95% of the trade is carried out by companies and businesses of less than 500 people. so, this is economically upwardly mobile jobs for people and i think it is important that the trade authority be given to the president. i also think that there's a micro reason, america loosens its leadership in this very stimulating theater of
trade. >> let me ask you another question about this. hillary clinton has been criticized for dodging the debate. should she come out and declare where she stands? >> well i think she should take a good look at it. i think it would be very helpful, i think it's been typified by our party in a way that's most unfortunate on the jobs issue, trade creates jobs, it creates the ability of people to become economically upwardly mobile people. if it's done right and if it's enforced -- the problem is with the enforcement and providing the resources to do it correctly. >> senator feinstein, thank you very much for joining us. >> you're very welcome. next the 2016 shakeup, how democrats view democrats and how republicans view republicans and
check it out. mitt romney, 68 years old, up against evander holyfield, made it through two rounds. got a little bit of a knockdown. all for a good cause. raising money for charityvision. got to say before i introduce the roundtable, 68, look at the shape the guy is. >> unbelievable. >> ana navarro, republican strategist. matthew dowd. cokie roberts and jon karl. matthew, let me begin with you and the week jeb bush has had, several different answers on how
to handle the iraq war. you worked with his brother. although you had major differences -- what did you see from watching jeb this week? what was that all about? >> well, it's amazing to me. when you look at the span of the field and pick out the most fundamental question they would have to answer, this would be the most fundamental question jeb would have to answer. he made a mistake, i think he misheard it. but then the handling of it in the aftermath, i think it's a real vulnerability. he still hasn't come to terms with, he's the candidate that everyone thought was the dominant candidate. >> ana, you're pretty close to jeb bush, that first question, it's pretty clear he didn't hear correctly, why so many takes? >> you know, because i think everything he said in each of those days was true. it's hard for him to be critical of his brother to prop himself up. i think it's true that he thinks
answering past hypotheticals is not constructive. i think it's true that he thinks it's a disservice to the people who served in iraq to talk about it in that way and i just think, frankly, you know what else, he's human and campaigns make candidates and i think it got him, you know, he's also a smart guy and i don't think it's a dog that's going to bite him twice. >> except other dogs will bite. and that's the fundamental question is not so much iraq, although that's a bad one, because iraq remains so unpopular. other things will come up that his father and brother did. >> jon karl, to matt's point, i think jeb bush was hoping this huge war chest would scare a lot of people out the race, that's not happening. new news on john kasich. >> the governor of ohio is virtually certain to run for president. he had a meeting with top aides
over last weekend, where he told them to go forward, and his family is now onboard and it is now much more likely than not that kasich will enter this race. george i think he'll be a top-tier candidate. >> these debates are going to be so much fun.g to watch this whole big cast of characters up there debating. >> yeah. >> i think the fundamental thing about this, iraq has become our generation's vietnam. hillary will have to deal with it ultimately. and also, in the end, jeb bush will have to decide -- i have six brothers, i'm very loyal to my brothers. when they're wrong you have to say they're wrong. jeb bush will have to come to terms with that in the course of this race. >> it's hard to say that this hurt him. he was already so down -- he's broken through nowhere. of course, we're still early. he's not an official candidate yet. there's no grounds for a jeb bush candidacy right now. >> it's very early. let's remember that
it was only a few months ago we were all having a cow because hillary clinton had said that she needed to pay her houses she was flat-broke. candidates do make mistakes. i'm glad that on the republican side, we have a vigorous debate going on and it's going to be a very tough situation. >> all of the republican candidates in iowa yesterday, raising the issue that hillary clinton hasn't answered questions. let's take a look. >> hillary clinton has been a presidential candidate now for maybe a month now, 13 questions asked by the press. >> someone needs to ask hillary clinton if she ever takes any questions. >> she's going to have to answer some questions. >> how can you run for president of the united states and never be asked a question. >> well, but, i don't think anybody votes on whether a candidate answers questions or not. that's part of the process. well, at some point she'll have
to engage, absolutely, she can't keep doing this. but i don't think -- she's going to do it exactly how she wants to do it. >> jeb bush was overly generous, she's answered nine questions on your most generous count. but, you know, she's going to need to get out there and do this. and what her folks say is that, she'll have a big campaign event, big rally, in june, after that, we'll see her taking some questions. >> i think hillary in the end this is being too cute by half, whatever the strategy is, you're going -- i'm going to protect her, she's not going to be able to make mistakes. ultimately, she has a similar problem that jeb has, right? he has to deal with the signs of the brother. she has to deal with the brothers of her employer and her employer is barack obama. >> and her husband. >> and trade. >> and this trade issue is a real issue. supported the trade promotion authority, clearly not engaging
now, and you see a lot of democrats saying it's time for her to come out and take a stand. >> i think they would like to see her to come out and take a stand on a lot of issues. "the washington post" has a ticking clock going on, on their website, up to 37,200 minutes since the last time she answered a question, a presidential campaign is about scrutiny. you can't be cutesy and hide out. the last campaign article i read about hillary clinton said that she visited brooklyn she ate a salad and she took a walk. >> on trade, she should show some leadership that's the truth. and this is a good opportunity for her to say, absolutely, i have been secretary of state, i know how important trade is to this country. i know that exports mean jobs. i know that we need to be a presence -- that's what she should do, though. >> the way her people look at this, much more tempting to go the opposite direction.
for clinton, the politics of this primary period are virtually exactly the same for a general election. she needs to rally that base in a general election. >> i think on this. i take a different tact than a lot of different republicans on this. i think these trade pankts have benefited no middle-class -- no income increase through any trade agreement that's benefitted the middle class in this country. >> you tell that to the doctors in new orleans -- >> coming from ohio, coming from industrial america, which has suffered greatly from these trade agreements, if i were a republican -- >> she needs to -- i disagree with you on her rallying her base on this. i think that just the way the republicans get in trouble when they go too far to the right in their primaries, if she goes too far to the left in her primaries she'll
alienate the base. >> she has no fan base to rally in. if she comes out in favor -- >> she has a base. >> she doesn't have the progressive base. if she comes out in favor of this, she's taking on the biggest unspoken opponent she has, her name is elizabeth warren. >> but looking at ultimately the way she wins is getting the obama coalition back to the polls. >> exactly right. >> she needs to rally that base. this would be a chance to distance herself from obama without alienating the base. >> are we beyond the point where presidential candidates have to play to the middle? is it all about rallies your base? >> well, the interesting thing about that, the ultimately, the answer is no. no, it's not only about playing your base. the fastest growing group of voters in america today are the independent voters in the country.
>> but they're the least engaged? >> they're the least engaged. ultimately, if you look at where this election is going to be decided, why this trade is important, it's going to be in the industrial heartland, in the midwest, among independent voters, and that's why this trade thing is so important in the course of this. >> but she has to get it right in iowa, wisconsin, michigan and ohio. >> she's running very closely in those states right now. she doesn't have the same margin in the swing states that she does in the country as a whole. >> the truth is, this is a very strange dynamic, there is no democratic primary. we can pretend that bernie sanders is running and martin o'malley is running. but at the end of the day, she can't do at this point is antagonize the progressives. >> that's all true until someone gets 30%. in iowa. >> bernie sanders or somebody is going to get a lift at some
point in what exists. they'll get a lift, and when that person gets a lift, elizabeth warren is going to take another look at this race. >> if elizabeth warren does get into the race she will have the same effect as jim mccarthy, you know, she can't win it. >> there's no indication right now. >> no, so, there's no point. what would be the point? >> we have a minute left, i was surprised by this jury in boston on friday, death penalty for dzhokhar tsarnaev. >> i was surprised, too. conservatives are for the death penalty. government involvement in the taking of the life. not for government involvement in the saving on a life. i don't get it. and think the death penalty 20 years from now, people that are for the death penalty in the same people against gay
marriage 20 years from now. >> i hope you're right. i hope he's right. it hasn't been the case. but you know, now that you have doctors say they won't partake in it, it's raising the debate. you're also hearing it among religious people. >> and this appeals process is going to keep it in the news for a long time. >> it is, but look, there are some crimes that are so heinous and that so affect our national psyche, even liberals are okay for the death penalty and i think this is one of them. this is not a state court. but a federal court. it's a federal crime where it's allowed. >> thank you all very much. sunday spotlight up next. before the break, listen to our martha raddatz at kenyon college, a proud mom speaking at the graduation of her son jake. >> i will admit i have been agonizing over the speech, filled with self-doubt and fear, my experience in war zones
aside. but last week, jake offered some calming thoughts, mom, he said, no one will remember what you say anyway. as you choose opportunities and ideas the people you work with and those who choose to love, those who animate, inspire and energize you, will define the quality of your life's experience. do not waste your time with
baltimore back in our sunday spotlight this week with american pharaoh's preakness win, second jewel in the triple crown and another reminder that the city is not defined by its troubles. our pierre thomas went to baltimore this week to shine a light on a fascinating program that's helping students build their futures in the face of daunting challenges. >> reporter: growing up in inner-city baltimore can be tough. since the riots sparked by the controversial death of gray a month ago, 25 people killed, another 43 people shot. but no -- but make no mistake, in baltimore, there is hope. volunteers and parents working hand in hand making sure kids have a chance. these ten youngsters aren't going home, they're going to the educational and support program bridges, just outside the city limits.
there, they'll have find tutors and most importantly people who listen and care. >> it helps you to be a better person. >> you learn new things every day. >> reporter: but, if you want to understand what the program really means, meet renee johnson, who raised her kids as a single mom. >> a city child doesn't have a lot of options of stuff to do. it's either sit in the house or basically go outside and get in trouble. bridges is a lifesaver. >> reporter: for her daughter, a high school senior the challenge of inner-city life sometimes is inescapable. >> you're in the middle of everything. >> reporter: since 2005,5, bridges has worked with nearly 200 students starting in third grade, it's a year-round effort, even in summers, activities are tailored to student's individual needs. >> we do math, reading, we do swimming.
we go on field trips every week. >> reporter: for the fourth and et on wednesday, there were sports, reading and help with homework. >> our goal is to stick with these students until the end of high school. and make sure we deliver them and having some great opportunities for their future. >> reporter: most students make it. >> i'm going to college. >> reporter: a class of 20 in elementary school typically retains 13 to 17 young people through the end of high school and last year with s.a.t. prep, 11 of the 13 seniors in program went on to college. she's on that track this week. in fact, she's going to williams college on a full scholarship and a dream, she wants to become a doctor having worked at a nearby hospital last year thanks to bridges. >> and her friend is also going to college and he has this piece of advice for younger kids in the program. >> cherish each moment. not everybody gets a chance like
this. take a few moments of it and how it will impact you in the future. >> reporter: in baltimore, hope bridging challenges. for "this week," pierre thomas abc nusews. that's all for us today. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight" and i'll see you tomorrow on "good morning america." out "world news tonight" and i'll see you tomorrow on "good morning america." ♪
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