[ cheers and applause ] >> announcer: from 30 rockefeller plza in new york, it's "late night with seth meyers." tonight -- kate winslet, from "crimson peak," mia wasikowska, host of "msnbc's hardball," chris matthews, featuring the 8g band with fred armisen. [ cheers and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, seth meys! >> seth: good evening, everybody. i'm seth meyers. this is "late night." how is everyone doing tonight? [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: glad to hear it. in that case, let's get to the news. the first democratic debate took

everybody's favorite ratings grabber, an old man loudly complaining about e-mail. [ laughter ] last night's democratic debate was watched by over 15 million people, including jim webb. [ laughter ] at last night's debate, presidential hopeful jim webb repeatedly complained that he wasn't being given enough attention, while lincoln chafee repeatedly complained that there wasn't any birdseed on stage like he was promised. [ laughter ] sheryl crow performed the national anthem before last night's debate, but many twitter users were unappy with her performance, mostly because they th.ought the national anthem was "uptown funk." [ laughter ] many political pundits are calling hillary clinton the winner of last night's first democratic presidential debate. pundits like msnbc's

valerie quinton, and cnn's clinton hillary. [ laughter ] [ aprlause b i like clinton hillary. a very astute man. du 5ring the debate, the candidates mentioned the middle class 11 times, once for each remaining member of the middle class. [ laughter ] congratulations to all 11 of you. [ light laughter ] a new report found that bernie sanders managed to raise $1.3 million within four hours of the start to last night's debate, while martin o'malley somehow owes 50 bucks. [ laughter ]at today is national "t e your parents to lunch day," or as it's also known national "apologize to the waiter day." [ laughter ] a customer at an oregon subway restaurant found a dead mouse inside his sandwich last week. said a spokesman for subway, "oh, no!

this is the worst thing that's happened to us all year. [ laughter ] i hope people don't constantly talk about the dead rat now." [ applause ] playbomagazine yesterday announced their models will now wear lingerie. they're attributing the change to slightly better fathers. [ laughter ] that was my -- that was my favorite joke and i knew it would get a 2 out of 10. [ laughter ] police in new jersey have announced that they have seized more than 11 pounds of cocaine someone tried to ship through the mail. authorities became suspicious when the mailman left a note saying he attempted delivery at 9:30, 9:41, 9:52, 10:07, 10:20, 10:27 -- laughter ] i just gotta get you these packages come on, show up, show up, show up, how up. an alabama walmart accidentally

stocked a line of sex lube aimed at gay men in the guns and ammo section. [ laughter and applause ] because it goes by the name "gun oil h20." [ laughter ] though, that could work out well for gun owners who want to carry a very concealed weapon. [ laughter ] everybody freeze, i got a gun! [ laughter ] and finally, photo servicing this week show a chinese airline hazing ritual in which new female flight attendants are expected to sit inside the overhead compartment. it's similar to another hazing ritual in which an average american passenger is expected to fit into a middle seat. [ laughter ] ladies and gentlemen, we've got a great show for you! [ cheers and applause ] tonight, she's one of the stars of the fantastic new film "steve jobs," kate winslet joins us this evening. [ cheers and applause ]

"crimson peak," a new horror film, mia wasikowska is with us this evening. [ cheers and applause ] can't wait to talk to her. and he is the host of "msnbc's harball," chris matthews is joining us. [ cheers and applause ] straight in from las vegas. he was at the debate was last night, he flew in. we're gonna get his thoughts on that debate. and last night was, indeed, the first democratic presidential debate. and considering the two highly rated and contentious republican debates that preceded it, cnn knew they had to pull out all the stops to make it as exciting as possible. which brings us to the segment we call, "the overcompens-debate." [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: to be fair the odds we're stacked against cnn. following the gop debate circus with these five candidates was like following an episode of "empire" with an episode of "charlie rose tells a long fishing story." [ laughter ] but that didn't stop cnn from putting together an opening package with some prize fight pizzazz.

>> announcer: in an election season that's breaking all the rules, this night in vegas could change the odds once again. >> seth: shout-out to the cnn editor who had to cut together shots of the vegas strip with shots of bernie sanders. [ laughter ] the computer's not letting me do it! [ laughter ] but even cnn's wrestling announcer introductions had to admit it was at best a two candidate race. >> announcer: hillary clinton, the frontrunne r. bernie sanders, the surprise threat. three other political veterans are in the mix. [ laughter ] >> seth: also, i'm super sorry about this, we're gonna need you guys to share a dressing room. [ laughter ] the sporting event theme was continued with sheryl crow singing the national anthem, and i'm willing to bet it's the suckiest welcome she's ever received. >> nine time grammy award winning singer/songwriter, sheryl crow. [ light applause ] [ laughter ]

>> seth: sorry, sheryl, we're all clapped out from lincoln chafee. [ laughter ] once the debate began moderators anderson cooper and dana bash tried to live up to the fight night hype by doing everything they could to get the candidates to attack frontrunner hillary clinton. >> governor chafee, you've attacked secretary clinton for being too close to wall street banks. >> are you saying secretary clinton should be disqualified? >> standing here in front of secretary clinton, are you willing to say that to her face? >> secretary clinton, he's questioning your judgment. >> secretary clinton, do you want to respond? >> no. [ laughter ] >> seth: so you can just pass now? [ laughter ] hillary was so comfortably ahead in this debate, she could respond to questions the way roman emperors respond to grapes. no, not that one. [ laughter ] juicier. i like them juicier. [ cheers and applause ] in fact, the most memorable moment in the debate wasn't an attack, but rather bernie sanders coming to the defense of

scandal. [ applause ] >> let me say something that may not be great politics, but i think the secretary is right. and that is that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails! [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. me, too, me, too. >> you know? >> seth: look at her laugh. [ laughter ] that's the laugh of a woman who is thinking, you buffoon! [ laughter ] if you had an e-mail scandal, i would hang you from the rafters with it. seriously, take another look at the laugh. [ cheers and applause ] hillary and bernie took up a lot of the focus of the debate, which meant the lesser known candidates, such as former virginia senator jim webb had to literally beg to be included. >> no i'm not -- i'm trying to get in this conversation for about 10 minutes. and i would say this -- i've been waiting for 10 minutes. i've been standing over here for about ten minutes. unless somebody mentions my name i can't get into the discussion.

bernie, say my name so i can get into this. >> you do not -- i will just give a second. [ laughter ] >> seth: of course, i'll say your name. just let me look at my notes for a different reason. jim webb! [ laughter ] webb's anger at being ignored led to an awkward moment where he threw a tantrum and threatened to hold his breath until someone asked him a question. [ laughter ] when webb finally did get to speak, his rhetoric was so fiery that it maybe put bernie sanders to sleep. >> you do not have the right to conduct cyber-warfare against tens of millions of americans citizens. and in a web administration we will do something about that. [ applause ] >> governor sanders, i want you to be able to respond. >> pardon me? [ laughter ] >> seth: that's the way someone responds in a classroom when they get caught daydreaming about recess. sorry what? the capital of arkansas? uh -- lincoln chafee pointed out that he was the only one running for president that has been a mayor, a senator, a governor, as well as a walking land bird that

feeds off wetland creatures. [ laughter ] but he was caught off guard when anderson cooper asked about his 1999 vote to repeal the glass-steagall act, which prohibited commercial banks from engaging in risky investing practices. >> governor chafee, you've attacked secretary clinton for being too close to wall street banks, in 1999 you voted for the very bill that made banks bigger. >> the glass-steagall is my very first vote. i just arrived, my dad died in office. i was appointed to the office. it was my very first vote. >> are you saying you didn't know what you were voting for? >> i just arrived at senate. >> seth: so if you're an enemy of the united states and lincoln chafee is elected president attack the first day. [ laughter ] it was my first day. i didn't even know where the bathrooms were. i had to set up e-mail. it was my first day. [ laughter ] martin o'malley attempted to get on the score sheet attacking hillary for perceived flip-flops on issues important to liberal voters such as the controversial keystone pipeline.

hillary recently came out against the pipeline after five years of refusing to take a position. >> right before this debate, secretary clinton's campaign putout a lot of reversals on positions on keystone and many other things. >> i never took a position on keystone until i took a position on keystone. >> seth: i never took a position until i took a position. now, that may sound bad, but to be fair, it's actually the motto on the clinton family coat of arms. [ laughter ] by the end, not quite satisfied with how much confrontation they were able to elicit from candidates, the cnn moderators decided to ask the candidates directly who they proudest to consider their enemies. >> i guess the coal lobby. >> the health insurance companies, the drug companies. >> wall street and the pharmaceutical industry. >> i'd have to say the enemy soldier that threw the grenade that wounded me but he's not around right now to talk to. [ laughter ] >> seth: wait, did you kill a guy? [ laughter ]

we would have paid so much more attention if you had said that in the beginning. the real question after last night's proceedings, is hillary clinton worried about the next debate? [ laughter ] this has been the "opencompens-debate"! [ cheers and applause ] we'll be right back with kate winslet! [ cheers and applause ]

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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody! before we continue, give it up for the 8g band! [ cheers and applause ] so happy you guys are here. fred, i'm so happy you're here as well. welcome back. >> fred: thank you. >> seth: now, everybody knows that we are in an era where there are so many television shows, it's hard to keep up, and i've been saying recently, i've been lamenting the fact that it's hard to watch every show on television, and fred has been telling me he doesn't think it's that hard, and he actually watches every show that is on television every night. [ laughter ] fred, is that true? you really watch every show? >> fred: everything, yeah. [ laughter ] >> seth: you're not just saying that to impress me? >> fred: no. everything. >> seth: okay. well in that case, that brings us to a segment we call "fred armisen's extremely accurate tv recap." [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: so fred, i went into the tv guide, i just picked a show at random to see if you could recap last night's

episode. >> fred: okay. >> seth: "swing clinic." >> fred: "swing clinic." yes. >> seth: yes. >> fred: have you seen it? >> seth: i haven't seen it, no. >> fred: it's great. [ laughter ] have you seen the pilot? >> seth: what? >> fred: have you seen the pilot? >> seth: i haven't seen any of "swing clinic." >> fred: nothing? you have to see "swing clinic." >> seth: okay. what's it about? >> fred: it's these, like, four really, really angry lumberjacks, right? [ light laughter ] but they don't know each other. they're in different parts of the globe. >> seth: okay. >> fred: right? and what they do is they talk to a camera. they just turn on the camera and they're just like, "i am so mad right now." [ light laughter ] but then there was a meeting where they all had to -- [ laughter ] where they all had to discuss how they do their jobs, being a lumberjack. and so they were demonstrating how to swing, right? >> seth: yep. >> fred: and they were incredulous about how they other guys swing. they're like, "that's incredible." >> seth: oh, so it's four different styles of swinging? >> fred: yes. >> seth: okay. >> fred: right.

so they're swinging away -- >> seth: four different parts of the world. where are they all from? >> fred: iceland, canada, mexico and southern mexico. [ laughter and applause ] all right? so one of them has like this family, and he's like, "you know, i miss my family so much. [ light laughter ] i miss them. i don't want to do this right now." so they're like, "oh, my god, please go. go do what you need to do." and he's like, "no, but i really miss them, but i want to do this, but i really miss them." and they're like, "please, it's not worth you being here showing us how you swing your ax. why don't you go do that -- come back in two weeks? come back in the two weeks --" [ laughter ] >> seth: fred, this is one episode? >> fred: this is one episode. [ laughter ] he comes back and he gives them all a gift basket. he's like, "you guys, thank you so much. i needed that. i really needed that." in the gift basket, maple syrup, plenty of maple syrup and some

they're like, "this is so nice! you are the nicest lumberjack." and that's where they left off. >> seth: oh, wow. >> fred: yeah. >> seth: because the tv guide says "swing clinic" is golf tips and product reviews. [ laughter ] >> fred: that's wrong. that's a wrong description. >> seth: okay. i'll tell the tv guide people. was the guy who brought the gifts baskets -- i'm assuming that was the canadian lumberjack? >> fred: yes. [ laughter ] you've seen it? >> seth: thank you so much. give it up for fred, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] our first guest tonight is an academy-winning actress whose next film "steve jobs" opens everywhere on october 23rd. let's take a look. >> don't think you're having a bizarre overreaction to a 19-year-old girl allowing her mother to list her own house? >> she could have tried. >> she's supposed to stop her mother, that particular mother from living forever to -- >> she gave her blessing to sell the house and she did it to spite me. >> i don't care if she put a

you're going to fix it now. >> she's been acting weird for months. she's turned on me. >> fix it. >> what the -- >> fix it, steve. >> take it easy. >> fix it or i quit. how bout that? i quit and you never see me again. how about that? >> seth: please welcome kate winslet. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome! >> thank you very much! [ cheers and applause ] thank you. >> seth: kate winslet. it's lovely to see you again. >> lovely to see you, too. >> seth: congratulations on the film. it's excellent. >> thank you very much. >> seth: and i want to talk about it, but i want to ask you something first. >> okay. >> seth: i read in an interview that you keep your oscar in your bathroom. >> yes. >> seth: so that when people go in, they can give an oscar speech to themselves.

>> well, everyone -- i mean, you know. most people i know have made a version of a sort of fantasy acceptance speech, whether it's with a hairspray, a barbie doll -- >> seth: right. >> shampoo bottle, so there is nothing like the real thing. >> seth: of course. 'cause you want to get the weight right. >> you do, you do. and people are always so shocked by that. >> seth: yeah. >> and so, yeah, yeah. oscar is in the bathroom. >> seth: that's wonderful. >> yes. and you can always tell when people -- you know, because you hear the flush. >> seth: uh-huh. >> and then kind of like a minute or two, three or four might go by. and then they come out -- and then they're sort of red-faced. how was oscar? >> seth: you can play music to play them out of the bathroom. [ laughter ] like an oscar -- a few minutes after a flush, it's like an orchestra starts playing, they have to wrap it up. >> that is a very good idea. >> seth: okay, thank you. >> we'll do that. we'll do that. >> seth: all right, good. so this -- this film is someone who i love, aaron sorkin. i love him. this is the sorkin-est film, so

much impassioned speeches, so much walking and talking. how hard is it to learn the dialogue? i heard it was an 180-plus page script. >> yes, it was 182 pages long. and first of all, i am going to say this. and i very rarely would do something like this. but this film is incredible. it is really incredible. and when i first saw it, which was, i don't know, six or seven weeks ago now, i was so overwhelmed with this just extraordinary feeling of pride to be in something that is this accomplished. it's so good. >> seth: it's really great. >> it's really great. so i'm just going to put that out there. [ laughter ]i'so the dialogue was -- you know, to be honest, it was one of the reasons why i really wanted to be in this film. i'd heard that it was huge amounts of dialogue, it was written in three acts, like a play, but it runs very much at the pace of a movie. and i knew that he had written this brilliant thing, and michael fassbender was going to play the lead and danny boyle was going to direct it. and i threw my hat in the ring, actually, for this one.

because i just -- i just knew there was an opening, i knew that role kind of hadn't been cast yet, and so i got a description of her, eastern european woman who'd been in america for awhile and works alongside steve jobs, kind of his work wife. and i thought yes, i want that role, i want that role! so i took a selfie of myself -- i did. i took a selfie of myself wearing as eastern european short-haired dark wig that i could possibly find. >> seth: gotcha. so you went out and got a wig for this? >> my husband -- >> seth: okay. >> thank yous neddy. my wonderful husband on full nstruction. "honey, listen, when i'm at work tomorrow, i need you to go to a wig store." he's like, "okay." i said, "g me three wigs, one short, one medium-length, one long. we'll google the woman, we'll figure out what she looked like and we're just gonna do this thing. [ laughter ] and it worked, i tell you. any actors out there, if you want to go for something, go for it. no ego, go for it! >> seth: get the wig. >> get the wig. seth: blow the money on the wixtgs. >> do it! i tell you, do it. go for it. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: you get the sense --

you'll say to the performers in the film afterwards, it seems so loose. were you guys improvising on set? this does not seem like a film where you improvise one word. >> none, no. so the thing is with this type of dialogue is that, you know, aaron writes the way that people think and that people talk. so every pause, every stumble, every -- every period mark is so important. and quite honestly, if you do try and change anything at all or you forget something, it all just turns to complete dog [ bleep ]. [ laughter ] >> seth: is that something you came up with or something he told you before hand? >> it was something that we all pretty much all figured out right away. but actually, jeff daniels, who's also in tue movie, i did fa e him on his first day of shooting, and big hug and so happy to meet him, and how are you going? 'cause he had experienced working with aaron before. yes he has indeed. and i said, "any tips?" and he just said, "learn the lines, haearn the lines, learn the lines, learn the lines." and i was like, i think we've got that. >> seth: you, of course, have a higher level of diff ulty than the rest of the actors, because yoheu had to do this accent, which was -- so she

american but from poland? >> so, the woman i play d a real woman who is still very much alive, hello joanna. joanna hoffman, and she was born in pleand, movede to armenia, went back to polaud, but also a lot of her family members were speaking russian. she came to america as a teenager, so it was neither one thing or the other. and it was sort of the forensic levels of concentration that one has to employ in just trying to remember how to do all these little things and these beats and how to also make it re . because there is nothing worse than doing an accent when someone is from somewhere else and you know that the actor's either english or american. >> seth: right. >> nd you can sometimes really hear them doing it, and i just --na>> seth: fhis is computer. you're like that's not -- [ laughter ] that's wrong.ut>> tha hs wrong. that's very wrong. don't do that ever again. >> seth: no, no, i won't. as soon as i did it, because i was about to say it just like that, but then i said it, i'm regretting it. >> sethalicious. >> seth: almost had it. i finally right at the end, i almost. >> sorry, danny. but yeah, t it was a huge amount of pressure to get that right.

and i just -- yeah, i listened lots of tapes of her speaking, actually. >> seth: and she's a fascinating person. so she was an employee at macintosh -- or at apple? >> s yep. she was head of marketing for maamcintosh and she remained in steve's life actually for five years, right into his time at next, and our story spans a lot longer. so in our film, she remains a part of his life for much longer. but in actual fact, i did say to joanna, "so were you really this work-wise person?" and she said, "oh, my god, no, i'm so disorganized and absent-minded, there's no way." and she told me a very funny story, actually. shse and steve, they used to work out of hours as they all did. these crazy time schedules they would keep, especially before launch. and steve had gone to her artment and it was midnight, 1:00 in the morning, very, very late and tisy were supposed to be working. and he walked in and he said, 'this place is a dump. this placed is -- i can't work like ythis, joanna." and sh leould be like, "okay, whatever." and he cleaned this apartment. qud it's a line in the movie. and she says to him, "you've come to my apartment at 1:00 a.m. and cleaned it. so tell me where the boundary

and it's really true. hey cleaned her apartment and then left. they didn't do any w k at all. [ laughter ] so, but what's lovely about the role that i ot to play is that i think through the character of joanna, as an audience, you can cess a slightly more human almost backstage side really to steve jobs than i think a lot of people probably won't knowi about, and kind of a softer side too. >> seth: well, she seems like a fascinating woman and you were great playing her and really is an excellent movie. evuserything you said is true. >> thank you. >> seth: congratulations and tha anks for being here. >> thank ygu so much! cheers and applause ] >> seth: kate winslet, everybody. "steve jobs" opens in theaters everywhere on friday, october 23rd. we'll be right back with more "late night." good to see you again. [ cheers and applause ] n of putting my personal info in these online shopping forms. hellloooo??? i don't have time to be filling out my address, i need to be buying a dress. that's why i use masterpass. less typing, more dancing. sfx: tango music

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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody! our next guest has starred in films like "alice in wonderland" and "only lovers left alive." starting friday you can see her in the new movie, "crimson peak." let's take a look. >> you had a bad dream. you were sleep walking. >> no! i'm afraid i shall go mad if i stay. >> my darling, you're imagining things. tomorrow why don't we go out. to the post office.

i think the fresh air would do you good. >> no. i have to leave. i have to get away from here. >> edith. this is your home now. you have no where else to go. >> seth: please welcome mia wasikowska! [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: how are you? >> i'm good, thank you. >> seth: i'm so happy you're here. i'm a big fan of your work. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> seth: i was excited because i thought i found something online that it was your birthday. and i would tell you happy birthday, but it's not your birthday. >> it's my fake birthday. no, it's not my birthday. >> seth: but this has happened to you before, that people have found this online and thought it to be your birthday. >> yeah, i always know who doesn't know me very well, because i get a lot of emails on -- this day. which, is on the internet that it's my birthday, but it's not. it's in another -- >> seth: right. and i like that you still aren't comfortable enough to tell me your real birthday.

[ laughter ] you don't want to give me the real one. you're like, until we get there i'm very comfortable with you having a fake one. and, i like that, though. that if you put a fake thing about yourself online, then you know who doesn't really know you. people who are creeps like me who just look online before they meet you. >> exactly. >> seth: i hear you -- like dogs. [ laughter ] so this is very exciting, this film. guillermo del toro is such a wonderful director. he's done, "pan's labyrinth," he's done, "hell boy." but, you have to tell me something because i've seen him interviewed. he does such dark movies, he seems like the most jovial, upbeat guy. is that the actual case? >> yeah, he's so sweet. i feel like people who make the most messed-up films are actually very well-balanced, healthy individuals. [ laughter ] >> seth: do you think that's because they're putting their messed up stuff somewhere else? >> yeah, i think they have a very safe, controlled space to kind of do that. it's probably the really cheery people i'd be worried about, like you. >> seth: right. [ laughter and applause ] i have to be like, when is her

birthday? [ laughter ] >> you're not going to give it up. [ laughter ] >> seth: no, i know. look, i get it. you see right through me. does he keep his spirits up on a set like this? because it's such a dark, as we can see from the clip, i'm assuming such a dark film. how does he keep spirits up with people? >> he's great. he hired a mariachi band a couple times. which is really nice. >> seth: that does not look like a set for a mariachi band. >> no, i know. [ laughter ] he like's to keep things very cultured. he also liked to pick on our cinematographer, dan laustsen. he would sort of, single him out and make the whole crew sing a song to him. just to lift his spirits. >> seth: does everybody sing a song directly at one person? >> yeah. >> seth: that would be my nightmare. [ laughter ] >> yeah, it was very antagonistic, but great. >> steve: back where that creepy part comes back in. >> yeah, i guess so. they have it as well. >> steve: these are beautiful sets and practical sets, yes? you built -- or not you. or, did you? did they make you build it? >> i didn't. i didn't build it. [ laughter ] >> seth: it's like a three-story mansion was built for this movie.

>> yeah, they did. it was amazing, the detail was just incredible. and i've never been on a set that was so ornate and so beautiful. >> seth: did you steal stuff? >> i did, actually. [ laughter ] you know, you're on it for so long and it's so boring, and you start treating each new set as a shopping mall, i guess. and guillermo does that, so i got very competitive with him. like, the props guys would get really sick of me asking, "has he got this, or can i take it?" >> seth: oh, wow. so it's sort of like a tag sale. where you basically just go around, and say, "has this been sold yet?" >> pretty much. [ laughter ] and i have an empty apartment in sydney, so i was like, scouting out the whole set. >> seth: did you get some pieces back home to your apartment? >> i did. i have two chairs. and a little wall sconce -- [ laughter ] they're very distinctly not from the era now, but. >> seth: do they stick out or do they blend in? >> they stick out a little, but they're all right. >> seth: do people come over and say, "uh-oh" when they see them? >> yeah, my brother was very disturbed. he was not cool with it.

but i told him one day, he'll understand why they're so great. >> seth: this is -- you have dressed in period costume a lot in your career. you were in, "albert nobbs," "madam bovary," "jane eyre." so, you have worn a fair amount of corsets in your day. >> yes. >> seth: are you done with it? >> yeah, i am. but i was after the first one, so -- [ laughter ] >> seth: so, the first time you did a movie with a corset, you were just telling yourself, "i'm never going to do this again." >> yeah, i said never again. and then, like, literally the next film was another period film. so i -- yeah, i've just not been able to stay away. and they're great, i mean, they're so uncomfortable, but the films have been really fun. >> seth: do you have a lot of appreciation from the women in those era who had to wear them every day? >> yeah, and now i understand why they went to bed at 5:00 p.m. it was just -- [ laughter ] >> seth: they just were so tired from holding their breath. >> yeah, and they would faint all the time. it's because they were so uncomfortable. >> seth: it's so funny to think back. 'cause you do when you read literature from that era -- women are these desperate characters who are always passing out. and you think it's because

[ laughter ] you didn't let them breathe. >> and who invented a corset? it was a guy, anyway. so -- >> seth: right, of course. yeah, no ladies thought that would be a good idea. "just tie it tighter. just make me really tight." >> probably just so that they can't breathe or have any rational judgment. >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] this film is scary. you, in your younger days, is it true you found disney films scary? >> yeah, i didn't like them. i mean, the parents die in the first five minutes, so i don't know how any kid finds that comforting. >> seth: i guess the idea is by the end of the movie you hope the kids don't remember the first five minutes? [ laughter ] 'cause i guess sad adult movies, someone dies in the last five minutes, and that's what makes it sad. but if they die in the beginning then you're like, "yeah, but then he made friends with a rabbit, so everything worked out." [ laughter ] >> but i mean, "bambi" is just heart-breaking. >> seth: "bambi" is haunting. >> yeah. >> seth: and the older you get, the more you remember the first five minutes. but, what movies did your parents let you watch? >> just a bunch of different things. my mother showed me this czech version of, "alice in wonderland." which was quite unusual. really great, but very unusual,

and probably equally terrifying. >> seth: so you were watching foreign films as a youngster? >> yeah, a little bit. and some of the more traditional ones. but i found them pretty scary. >> seth: all right, gotcha. and is this spooky? is this jump in your chair scary? >> i think so, yeah. i think it is. but it's kind of hard for me to be an objective perspective on it. but i think it's quite scary, yeah. >> seth: well i'm very much looking forward to it. he's a wonderful director, you're a wonderful actor. i'm so happy you were here. give it up for mia wasikowska, everybody! [ cheers and applause ] "crimson peak" opens everywhere on friday. we'll be right back with chris matthews! [ cheers and applause ] this is brian. every day, brian drives carefully to work. and every day brian drives carefully to work, there are rate suckers. he's been paying more for car insurance because of their bad driving for so long, he doesn't even notice them anymore. but one day brian gets snapshot from progressive.

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and it's all because of the very top billionaires. very consistent line. and i also decided, that you can't go by the polls right after, that tell you who won the debate. you gotta wait a week or two and see who is ahead on the polls. and so, i bet he's picking up speed on hillary. you're gonna see it tonight. you're going to see, a debate that -- hillary get's the credit for winning the debate. she won the debate, but he's gonna do better because of it. >> seth: now who do you think represents the democratic party, where it is now, better? obviously bernie is the sort of the progressive wing of the democratic party. hillary is more of a known quantity even though she tried to sell her progressive credentials last night. who do you think represents the democratic party more right now? >> he's where the party is headed. and the party is much more left than it was. if you had said socialist four or eight years ago, you would have been blown out of town. "you can't say socialist." now it doesn't bother anybody. 'cause they don't think the system's straight, right now. and in fact, if you talked about the rich, people would say, "oh that's class politics. you can't do that." nobody says that this time because they know it's right. because of the numbers. how bad people are getting hurt. >> seth: why was lincoln chafee

[ laughter ] >> i loved that. what was that animal you had him looking like? that was cruel. >> seth: i think an emu or something. i don't know. [ laughter ] >> that was cruel! lincoln chafee, first of all, when your dad calls you lincoln, you have little bit of a head start. it's hard to live up to your old man, but living up to lincoln is even tougher. >> seth: this is more serious, there is a sense. and one of the things i think hillary got points last night is she came off so polished, and so well -- but there is talk of how hillary always needs to humanize herself. >> yeah, i know. >> seth: and that seems very unfair because i've watched these debates on both sides. none of these guys are close to human, and yet she's the only one -- >> nobody ever says that about >> seth: yeah. >> bill, you gotta be more human. >> seth: i'm just saying like, scott walker doesn't -- you don't go, "oh, man, what a human." [ laughter ] what do you think it is? do you think it's completely unfair? >> i think it's probably, hillary is very deliberate about what she wants to do. i think the reason she won the debate last night is she had the best prep in the world.

the guys who worked with her, ron klain and bob barnett, they had her ready. there wasn't a single question that got thrown at her last night, she didn't go right at. handle an issue or grab it. if it looks like they're just handling an issue, they lose. if they grab it, like they're hungry for it, that means they're winning. she loved the gun debate last night. >> seth: yeah. >> that's where she broke them, on the gun thing. 'cause he's from vermont, you know. and they like guns up there. >> seth: sure. >> she got to his left on that. >> seth: she did a very nice job there and was obviously well prepared for that part. it's interesting how we all talk during debates that we want our president to be someone relatable, and someone we could get along with, someone we'd like to have a beer with. once they're president, we're never gonna have a beer with them. that's not gonna happen. and so it's interesting like in the end i feel we value less understanding of policy. >> yeah, i know, but i think we still want the president to be somebody up there, somebody better than the average guy or woman. i think they want it to be somebody we're proud of. someone that we think is -- they're not a king, they can make mistakes, but when that president goes overseas and gets

off the plane, we have a feeling about that. we want that person to get off the plane and make us proud. it's true. >> seth: now, how fast after president trump gets off the plane does he embarrass us? [ laughter ] >> well, he has to have a smaller plane. >> seth: it's a downgrade for him. >> he's unbelievable, isn't he? >> seth: do you think the media pays too much attention to donald trump? >> i find him, look. i'm aware of my audience, so i'm typical of a person watching my show. i know what i want to watch. he's somewhere between howard stern and a politician. he's out there, and you don't know what he's going to say next. he says he's politically incorrect. that's one way to describe it. i mean, "you're ugly!" [ laughter ] i mean, what kind of talis that from a politician. "yeah, i know you, you're ugly." what kind of a conversation is that, "oh, yeah, you're a rapist. mexican rapist. i got you figured." i mean, that's not politically incorrect, that's awful. >> seth: yeah. >> but i guess because we're all so careful, that anybody who shows -- like the kid cutting up in school. >> seth: right. >> we all liked the kid in school that cut up. the teacher would say they always knew who it was gonna be that's gonna cause trouble. and it's sort of like that right

now. it's gonna get serious. but i think it's going to be him, or we were talking before, i think marco rubio is gonna be tough to beat. he's a young guy, 40-ish. people do like presidents around 40 to 50. that's what age we look for. we've had exceptions like reagan but that didn't work out so well at the end. i mean, people like 40s and 50s. so, hillary's a little older than that. >> seth: you actually, you know trump. >> i know trump. >> seth: you've hung out with trump. >> i've been at the wedding. i know the whole thing. >> seth: and is it true that you send the trump family a christmas card? >> we do. like every family that has a bunch of kids, even grown up kids. you know, everybody has to sit through this. like we had to sit with our pajamas on, while my mother would send that stuff out. "mom, why do we have our pajamas on?" "'cause we're putting the christmas card together." oh, great. [ laughter ] "get on the stairs." everybody is coming down the stairs in their pajamas for what? so anyway -- >> seth: you do this now -- you're talking about your mom, but you do this with your family. >> yeah, we have three kids and we send them a card. he doesn't send you a card back. like, most people when they get it like december 21st, they get the mail off quick.

what he did was he autographed it. [ laughter ] that's his ego. he autographed our christmas cards. "beautiful family! donald trump." then he fed-exed it back to us. [ laughter and applause ] that is so trump! you know, you like it, but he knows. but it's a funny thing, they used to say about franklin roosevelt, he always played cards, and always sign a check because he knew no one would ever cash it. they want the check. "franklin delano roosevelt, owes me 27 bucks." but this guy knows that you'll -- like, i'm telling you the story! >> seth: yeah, it's great. >> if he had sent a regular christmas card with him and ivanka and the kids and you know. >> seth: you woulnd't have saved that. but, did you save it? >> i didn't -- oh, yeah i got it somewhere. >> seth: yeah, the one that he signed. >> oh, yeah. it's very smart, you know? >> seth: i'm gonna start doing that. i think that's the best power move. [ laughter ] >> do you know what he likes? this is trump. it's so trump. one time -- when he married melania, who's gorgeous obviousy.

and said to him, 'you've married the most beautiful person in the world." person in the world. not girl, or woman, but person. it's like, "yeah, you're right. person. i got the gold ring. i married the most beautiful person in the world." and that's trump. he goes for the top. >> seth: i certainly am enjoying watching him. >> you don't think he's gonna win. i think he could. the nomination. who wouldn't want to watch him against hillary? >> seth: it'd be fantastic. >> you talk about 15 million, how about 150 million. nobody would not watch that show. >> seth: nobody would not watch it. you're gonna stick around. we'll be right back with more

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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: all right, welcome back. now chris, as a respected news anchor, you are expected to keep your cool -- >> right. >> seth: under all circumstances. you may get passionate, you may get excited, but you have to maintain your gravi-toss. gravi-toss is the life blood of a news anchor. >> right. >> seth: so we're going to see if you can maintain yours as you read news stories you have never

seen. you're going to turn to a new camera for each story and read whatever is on the card with all the gravi-toss you can muster. are you up to the challenge? answer with exereme gravi-toss. >> i am up to the challenge. seth: all right. then let us begin.k it's time for the gravi-toss. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: and again, you have not seenhese news stories. >> i have not. >> seth: all right. great. your first camera is camera one. please turn to camera one and read the news story. >> tonight, organizers at last night's democratic debate held an extra podium in case joe biden decided to appear. and today the podium is involved in a sex scandal with a nearby ottoman. [ laughter ] >> seth: camera two. >> tonight, three teenage girls run away from home to join isis. even more alarming, five more teenage girls run away from home to join taylor swift's squad. [ laughter ] >> seth: camera one. >> a new poll shows hillary clinton holds a 20 point lead over the dehicratic field. and a 30 point lead over the jacksonville jaguars.

[ laughter ] >> seth: camera two. >> according to a new poll, 70% of americans now believe in climate change, while the other 30% are seeking the republican presidential nomination. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: final story, camera one. >> breaking news. researchers at oxford university have found that edible bugs are a healthier source of protein than beef. or you could get the best of both worlds and eat at arby's. [ laughter ] >> seth: you're amazing! that's gravi-toss chris matthews, everyone. "hardball" airs weeknights at 7:00 p.m. on msnbc. we'll be right back.