tv Face the Nation CBS January 17, 2016 10:30am-11:00am EST
on: today on "face the nation." 15 days until they start voting in iowa and 23 until they start voting in new hampshire. and it's getting feisty on the ld trump and ted cruz have stopped being friendly. >> finally went off the wagon a little bit went a little crazy. it's very nervous energy. >> for whatever reason donald doesn't react well. when he's going down in the polls. democratic side surprising surge of bernie sanders continues causing hillary clinton to scramble we caught up with bernie sanders in
agree, an upset. >> dickerson: not if hillary clinton can help it we'll hear from clinton this morning as sheo confront sanders in tonight's democratic debate in charleston. check in with marco rubio andtling it out to stay alive after the voting begins. all coming up on "face the nation." by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. breaking news this morning, three americans including washington, part of the prisoner exchange with iran announced on the day sanctions were lifted on that country as part of the iranian nuclear deal. shows three of the iranians just preloosed in houston. this is a swap that's already sparked controversy on the campaign trail. we start with of state, hillary clinton, who is in charleston this morning. good morning, secretary clinton. after this prisoner exchangeid, quote,
barack obama will cut a deal with you whether it's bergdahlith iran. your reaction to that? >> well, i think it's just typical political rhetoric, overlooks some veryportant issues, number one, we always try to get americans back who are unjustly held. i certainly did when i waste. and when i was a senator i advocated for the bush administration to do the same for people who have been held in foreign counsel trees. secondly, the important news here is that the iranian agreement to put a lid on the program of iran is being implemented. iranians have so far fulfilled their side of the bargain by destroyingg out 98% or so of their enriched
even making one of theirors under construction no longer able to be ever used because they poured cement into it. so, the real issue here is, committed to making the world safer and show strong american leadership you have to engage in patient, persistent who are not your friends, they are on the other side of a lot of the issues and values that you hold certainly true for the united states. >> dickerson: former fbi agent is still in iran, do you believe that the iranians know where he is and if so why wasn't he as deal? >> well, i regret deeply that bob levinson was not on his way home either. i hope and expect that theontinue to be pressed very, very hard to give up any information they have and return bob
>> dickerson: switching to the topic of gun control, you said bernie sanders should supportting immunity block on gun manufacturers, now says he'll support the legislation you pushed him to. so hasn't he done what you wanted him to do? >>ased that senator sanders has flip-flopped on legal immunity for gun makers and sellers, now i hope he will alsof congress to change what's called the charleston loophole that enabled the killer in charleston to get to murder nine people at bible study here in mother emmanuel church,lse senator sanders supported that we need to change. so, now i'm calling on him to also flip flop in the right to legislation to change the charleston loophole. >> dickerson: you at once in 1939 when you were first lady front of
25% tax on guns, you're not supporting that now or promoting that now. how have you evolved over thef your support for the second amendment? >> i do support the second amendment. that is always been understood.hat like any amendment to our constitution there are reasonable steps that can be taken. we have reasonable certain kind of speech or certain forms of assembly. for goodness sakes we ought to be smart enough and do so the constitution to have more gun safety measures to try to save some of the 3,000 lives that we lose to guningle year. this is something that i have spoken out about. that i have advocated for right now. i think there is a consensus in the country on background checks, closing the gun show loophole, closing the
reversing the immunity g industry, certainly prohibiting would-be terrorist on the no fly zone, that's the common sense approach that we to achieve. >> dickerson: the stories out of flint, michigan, lead levels in the water have created an emergency there. called for rick schneider, the governor to resign, what is your feeling? >> well, john, this is an issue i've been involved in now for couple of weeks. i amat happened in flint. i started calling for immediate action, calling for federal intervention, i sent two of myides to meet with the mayor of flint as you may know, i appeared on show this past week and demanded thater ask for the help that michigan needs to deal with the horrible consequencesir families are facing in flint.
turned around within two hourshelp that he should have asked for some weeks ago. i don't want to get caught up in the political back and forth here, i want to help the people of flint. and iant a comprehensive health analysis of what's hamed to these children, lead is a poison, it destroys interferes with your learning and your behavior. whatever it takes for michigan and the federal government to come together to fema through services, the epa, whatever it takes, we now have to fix a problem and help these kids and especially their health and probably for years to come. >> dickerson: topic of health care back at the national level, your daughtersaid senator sanders universal health care plan will dismantle obamacare, dismantle children's health insurance other things would dismantle. isn't she and your campaign not
things would be replaced by ant senator sanders has put forward? >> well, i think it's very confusing because he hasn't put forward a plan. and the only way we know advocating for comes from looking at the nine bills that he's introduced in the house and senate and congress.ills every kind of health care is rolled all up together and handed over to the state which bear a financialo match what the federal government provides in order to administer health care. so, it's not a of single-payer system as i understand it. it is a state-based system kind of similar to medicaid, if you will. andre are very legitimate questions that can be raised, because we don't have an up to date plan from senator sanders all of us trying to it would mean
that new system. >> me -- secretary clinton that may come up this evening when you're on stage. >> great to talk to you again, john.w we turn to bernie sanders who we caught up with in his hometown of burlington, vermont.ecause she understands wall street she told me this last week, regulate wall street like the nixon going toixon going to china is exactly the opposite. hillary clinton somebody whocant sums of money from wall street. >> dickerson: she went to wall street told them to put it out. >> you know what, cutting it out.
paying a $5 billion forir duplicitous work on subprime mortgages. what the american people are seel out for wall street, while the middle class continues to disappear. >> dickerson: switch to taxes for a moment. your tax plan you haven't put out your rates forincome, could be as high as 90%. >> that's a lie. trump said that over and over again. i don't want to shock you on this one, john.ald trump says it may not be exactly the truth. that happens to be total lie. let me talk about that. because we are probably put out taxes than any other candidate in the race. what we are saying is, that we're going to end this outrageous position that allowsike wall street firms, to park their profits in the cayman islands and other tax havens not in a given year. in a given year pay taxes, going to end that. wall street may not like it. but we are going to impose a tax
that we can make public collegess tuition free and substantially lower interest rates on student loans. so we have already put out a number of tax proposals i other candidate which will help us transform american sewed, demand that the wealthy and large their taxes. but this is nonsense. >> dickerson: you've raised questions about hillary clinton for paid family medical leave >> here is the concern. she doesn't have a plan, that's the concern. >> dickerson: she said the same thing to you about taxes. get your rates. >> but there's a difference, we have presented i think more specific tax proposals than any otherms of family and medical leave what is what you got. united states is the only major country on earth that does notamily and medical leave. now, there is a bill in the
family and medical leave, is it free, of course it's not free. we will -- cost of it will be about $1.61. a weekverage american worker. i think that's a pretty good invest: hillary clinton chooses not to support that legislation. >> dickerson: she has her own plan, her plan to tax people who --ding? i had not seen that plan. >> dickerson: it's out there. >> it's not out there. dickerson: she'll take the money from taxing those people who benefitedic inequalities which sounds like bernie sanders plan. >> it's not a bernie sanders plan, doesn't go far enough. it's a vague idea. if you want something to be longple have ownership of it, they know nothing is free, have to pay something for it. when you do something like vagueealthy on this one. it could disappear tomorrow. >> dickerson: health care. when you hear chelsea clinton say that you want to dismantlentle the
program, dismantle medicare, dismantle private insurance. >> millions of people out therece at all. spending my entire life making sure that as many people asnsurance, that is just unfortunate statement. that chelsea clinton made. affordable care act which i for, has done some good things, no question. but we have got to go beyond that. we've got to join the rest of the industrialized world, healthcare as a right we can class families thousands of dollars a year in the health care costs. >> dickerson: donald trump says unless he wins all of his efforts will beeel the same way. already had achievement? >> we started this campaign as you well know like 3% in the polls. we are now ahead in new closing the gap in iowa. i think we have good chance to win both those states. i think we have good chance to win this election.t we are going to win is that people are
politics and economics. they want a president who hashe billionaire class and start representing working familiar glees. >> dickerson: when you were at state theuld be me up there? >> the thought did cross my mind. it's a very humbling experience, feeling. but we're running hard to win.e a good chance at iowa and new hampshire. and we think we have good chance to what will amount to the, one >> dickerson: you just think about it that's it or start making plans? >> well, starting my inaugurale. it's a long way to go before we talk about inaugural speech. or state of the union speeches. suggested you are the more electable democrat, what is it about you, bernie sanders, that makes are more electable? >> i think we have an a people, to working class
obviously, to independents. i think what we are seeing in the sanders campaign is a great and excitement. it will translate into a large voter turn out, large voter turn out not only means winning the presidency it means senate, doing well in the house, winning governor seats all over the country. >> dickerson: there's a perception you have weakness on foreign affairs is thatd to improve as a skill to be president or people just misinformed? >> i don't think i have a we is it true that hillary clinton was secretary of state for four years, of course. great deal of experience, obviously it does. but note, it's judgment. i voted against -- not only against the war in iraq i helped lead the opposition.for that war. one of the worst foreign policy blunders in the modern history of the united states. you know what, judgment counts when you are talking aboutffairs. >> dickerson: you set donald
>> give you one example. when he goes around telling people that i want to raise their taxes bid 0%, that's asaid that. it's not true. number two more important look. trying to divide this nation. he tells us that the mexicansn to this country are drug dealers, they're rapists, they're criminals, that's just a lie. even worse, he goes around trump, i saw on television thousands of muslims celebrating on 9/11 when the twin towers went down. that's a lie. there is no was never anything on television. it never happened. he has not apologized. he is pathological liar.anks very much, senator sanders. our full conversation with bernie sanders is on our website atk
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>> dickerson: turning to the republicans we spoke to marco rubio in sioux city, iowa.im about the prisoner swap. >> they're not prisoners these people were hostages, none violated any real laws, in fact one was a reporter, the other one was a pastor. they have done nothing. let me just say bob levinson still missing, we believe not being cooperative we should not forget him and his situation. going back to the point, these he'll were hostages. people america is releasing theyn a court of law after due process of helping violate sanctions. the president is pardoned them in exchange for rees lease ofad done nothing wrong. proves once again that now nations and enemies of america around the world know that if there's a price for americans, if you take an american hostage,l cut a deal with you. whether it's bergdahl, what he did with the castro brothers and now iran.
>> dickerson: what about the quick resolution of the ten sailors earlier last week, johnte said that is another instance which depp ploy ma see helped solve that faster than it would have in the past. >> . >> image fin they into egyptian waters, there wouldn't have been anything going on there, an incident. they would have had their motorck on their way instead of what happened, iran grabbed them, put them on their knee, hands behind their heads. forced them to apologize on video. sailor wear a burka. filmed them in cap pivot in that room, all effort to show how powerful they are how weak we are and huge propagandaey are notarial lice or friends, ultimately they released them only after achieving what they wanted. to prove that if they wanted to sailors and subject them to miss extreme. >> dickerson: president owe bam
that with isis, wheny too grave a threat it plays right into their hands you said it's a clash of civilization. are you playing into their hands as president has charged? >> i think playingeir hands would be ignore reality of what isis has become. isis is not just some group of radicals on the back of pick up trucks. this is a group that's grown in both influence andthey have very sophisticated propaganda program that are recruiting foreign fighters. they have a sophisticated understanding of foreign immigration practices, you'ven able to insert people into europe, refugee crisis, there's group control significant territory in iraq and in syria. this is a seriousn we defeat them, absolutely, only if we have real war against them to find them and destroy them. if you capture any of them alive ay find out everything they know. >> dickerson: you said this threat has changed nature of the immigration debate. you said during the debaterent than it was 24 months ago but during the
very much of part of there were two amendments, one that dealt with visa over stays because ofsts using that visa over stays another one about securing the border first before any kind of a deal.f those, weren't people worried about security at the time and not just because of isis in terms of >> let me correct you about those amendments because they had already been dealt with in other amendments, john corninhat i supported and cosponsor of largest border surge in american history. 20,000 new border agents. completing 700 miles of fencinge was a biometric entry-exit tracking system that is required to prevent visa over stays tostayed, no where they were be able to remove them from the country. all of that was dealt with or about to be dealt with.at is not -- >> as far as -- it's a different threat.
always had terrorist groups that had an interest, but never had that has in depth understanding of foreign immigration practices, for example, we know that one of the killers in san bernadino entered the u.s. on fiance visa,that most americans didn't know existed. that process broke down. we didn't have the refugee crisis that we're now facing. i've always had terrorist groups me of the other groups that are out there are regionally based they strike at america as they have in the passion on different occasions but their focus was on the this is a group that has global ambitions, of conquering. flying the flack flag of isis over the white house. is dramatically different from any other terror threat. the most active, sophisticated, well funded terrorist group weonted they need to be defeated either they win or we win. when i'm president we'll win this battle. >> dickerson: let me ask you about becoming president, a there are a lot of people who are nervous about ted cruz, are nervous about donald trump would
candidate.other candidates that you're competing with, why not just make the argument say, don't vote for anybody else because we'll split the vote, back me as aned cruz and to donald trump. >> well, actually i've been saying now for awhile i believe i'm only one in the primary field that can unite thehich is critical. but also attract new voters who haven't voted for us in the past. but i believe i am best positioned to take our principles of conservatism andthat haven't voted for us in quarter century that we're a better choice. i know this, hillary clinton does not want to run against me, their attacks are constant frompaign, i cannot wait to run against her if i'm our nominee we will defeat her turn this country around. >> dickerson: lot of people buying firearms recently, one on christmas eve, why? >> well, first of all i'm not very home. those are one of the few days i was there. second i have right to protect my familyirearm
additional one. gibb, i think many americans feel the same way. i'm a strong supporter of the second to protect my family if someone were to come after us, in fact if isis were to visit us or our community at any moment, lastsis and my family is the ability that i have to protect my family from them or from a criminal or anyone else that seeks to do us harm. millions that way. >> dickerson: senator marco rubio, thank you. >> thank you. dick. path to retirement... may not always be clear. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. for over 75 years, investors have relied approach to find long term value. so wherever your retirement journey takes you, we can help you
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