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45th president of the united states of america. >> trump, rubio, cruz. all here lilive. and -- hillary squeaks by. >> the fight goes on! >> the democratic race tighter than ever. plus, apple goes to war. inside the tech giant's refusal to help the fbi unlock a terrorist's iphone. live. frorom abc news, it's "this week." stephanopoulos. good morning, after a crucial saturday vote in the race for the white house, two candidates now in command. for the democrats, hillary nevada. the w out west, nearly six points over bernie sanders puts her back in control. she heads to south carolinaa and super tuesday with big leads in the biggest states. and for the republicans, it's all about donald trump. his double-difficult win over marco rubio and ted cruz in
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delegate sweep, kills off the campaign of jeb bush. puts him in a powerful position. no republican who has won both new hampshire and south carolina has ever lost the nomination. the big question for so many in the gop today, a question unimaginable one year ago. can donald trump be stopped? he joins us live in a moment. first, jon karl brings us the results of the biggest day yet in this campaign. good morning, jon. >> good morning, george. this is a remarkable moment in american politics. what once seemed utterly impossible is one step closeto reality. hillary clinton could be facing off against donald trump this fall for the presidency of the united states. with his big win in south carolina, donald trump took command. >> this is nothing easy about running for president. i can tell you. it tough. it's nasty. it's mean. it's vicious. it's beautiful. [ laughter ]
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>> reporter: trump's back-to-back victories in south carolina and new hampshire bode well for his chances on super tuesday. 11 states voting on march 1st. >> let's put this thing away. and let's make america great again. >> reporter: while trump celelebrated,marco rubio narrowly edged out ted cruz for second place. both seemed to declare victory. reready to take on trump. >> after tonight this is a three-person race. and we will win the nomination. >> we are the only campaign that has beaten and can beat donald trump. >> reporter: after betting big on a south carolina comeback, jeb bush's distant fourth place finish ended his white house bid. >> the people of iowa and new hampshire and south carolina have spoken. and i really respect their decision. so tonight, i'muspending my campaign. >> reporter: the field won't narrow much. john kasich and ben carson are both staying in.
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clinton was finally able to slow the momentum of bnie sanders. >> some may have doubted us. but we never doubted each other. >> reporter: sanders touted how quickly his campaign has closed the gap. >> we have come a very long way in nine months. it's clear to me, and i think most observers, that the wind is at our backs. we have the momentum. [ cheers and applause ] >> back in south carolina, donald trump showed remarkable strength across the board. even winning evangelicals over ted cruz. and so far, trump has won 44 of the state's 50 delegates. the remaining six could still go his way. and the map, and the math, get even better for him as the race goes national. by march 15th, half of the delegates will have been awarded. among the states voting on march 1st is tedcruz's home state of texas. if cruz is to have a prayer of winning the nomination, he has
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two weeks later, it's marco rubio's home state of florida. if rubio is to have any chance at all, he absolutely must win that winner take all f florida primary. >> no question about that. thank you, jon. let's bring it to matt dowd. you've been bullish on donald trump's odds for a long time. >> this summer,, he had 16 opponents. he had the best odds. now he has basically three opponents left. his odds have only improouchd the problem for the other candidates is donald trump has a clear path. a clearer path to the nomination while the other candidates don't. in that scenario, donald trump is the odds on. >> they've been willing to take eaeachthther on more willing than to take on donald trump. what has to happen? >> i think two things hav to happen. the first, somebody else has to catch fire much better than in the past. not eyelike iowa or new hampshire.
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version of political jenga. he's been taking blocks out, taking blocks out, every thinks it will fall. at some point, it will. both things have to happen. >> thank you, matt dowd. let's go to donald trump. congratutulationsn your victory. you think you have the nomination in hand? >> no. no, not at all. i'm dling with very talented people. very smart people. great politicians. and ben carson still in, i understand. he's a terrific guy and talented guy. so, you know, i'm dealing with smarart ople, talented people. i never take it for grand. >> you said last night, we go back to war tomorrow morning. who is your toughest competition right now? marco rubio ored cruz? >> i think they're both tough. i think they're all tough. everybodis tough. people. i would say this. i was hit very, very hard yesterday by ted because he did two robo calls.
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which was, you know, very tough and unfair. and one on - -- i gue gay marriage. and they were oneame on at 9:00 in the morning. in election day, this is something i didn't anticipate. one came on about 12:00 in the afternoon. during the election. i said to myself, wowow this ia tough business. these people are worse than manhattan real estate developers. this is rough stuff, politic. i thought maybe they would have a bigger effect than they did. i didn't know i w would w by that much. we won every congressional district. got every single delegate. that was sort of record-setting stuff. they hit me hard with negative ads. >> you're hitting them hard, too. you september out a retweet suggesting marco rubio might be ineligible to be president as well. do you believe that? >> i think the lawyers have to determine that. it was a retweet.
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i'm not that familiar with marco's circumstances. >> but then why retweet it? >> i think -- because i'm not sure. let people make their own determination. i think ted is being sued by somebody, having nothing to do with me, by the way. maybe it's in new york. >> you're not sure tt marco rubio is egible to run for president? you're not sure? >> i don't know. i have never looked at it. i have never look at it. somebody said he's not. retweeted it. i have 14 mlion people between twitter, facebook, instram. i retwt things. we start dialogue. it's interesting. maybe that's why i have 14 million people. >> do you think as you get on the path for the nomination, you're the clear front-runner right now? you're in command of the race, you're going have to be more careful abobout the kd of things you say and tweet snrnlgts i didn't know i was going to win by so much yesterday. you didn't either.
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that was bigger than the tollspolls. the polls said three or four points. i won by ten. they said i would get some of the congressional districts. i had no idea i would win by that much. certainly after the robocalls i never thought so. >> think the republican establishment might close ranks and come down hard try to block in nomination? if they do, is it still possible you would run as an independent? >> i don't think that is much of a possibility. i don't think i'm being treated fair by the rnc. every time i walk into a debate. i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm not getting money from the special interests, the big drug companies. everybody else is. everybody on both sides. i walk in and they have all special interests, lobbyists, donors. sitting in the room. i don't have any of that. i walk in, it's dead silence except for my wife and kids.
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something that is stupid or not even good and they get s standing ovatns eve time they open thei mouth. it's very unfafair in terms of the debates, i think. i think i had my best debate last time. some people don't. some people think theew york values debate wasas better. i was being hit from all sides. it's veryunfair wn a room is so stacked. >> if you win, sit a hostile takeover of the gop? >> no. not at all. i was a member of the establishmentt of the gop. i say proudly. i gave $350,000 to the republican governor's association. before i ran. before june 16th. and i gave tremendous aptsmounts of money to people in the republican party. i gave to everybody. i was very establishment. once i ran, they said, what's going on? that's not supposed to hpen. they like to control the people, the senators, the congressmen.
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awards or pharmaceutical awards they make sure they get it. i'm going to do what's right for the country. as a self-funder, i'm the only one. i'll do what's right. 's certainly different. at will be good for the party. becaususe we'reoing win the election. two polls came out recently where i beat hillary clinton and i beat bernie sanders. i don't think berni sanders will be the problem. i think hillary will be the one i'm comting against. unless she has legal problem. >> youou tol me months ago you would release yoyour tax rurns. "the wall street journal" editorial page came out yesterday and said mr. trump should release his records before super esday. he should be eager to release them for public scrutiny. will you release them by super tuesday? >> no, i won't. we're working on them. they're massssive.
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street journal." i have no respect for them. they've taken me on so much. it's so ridiculous. every day, editorials. bad editorials. they had a poll come out. i said they should fire the pollsters and the editorial staff. i don't want to read it much anymore. if you look at their polls, one day and two day, two polls before the election. they turned out to be so wrong. that they should honestly, they should fire their pollster. so i don't care what "the wall street journal" says. if anything, i would do the opposite. that will turn out the be more correct. >> so no release before you're a nominee? >> at some point. we're going talk about it. at some point. we'll rerelease. why is there such a rush? i released my financial statements. which are much more important. and everybody was amazed at how big and how great the company is. much bigger than they thought.
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very little bt. tremendous cash flow. some of the best assets in the world. that's the kind of thinking the ununited stas needs now. because our country is in financial trouble and military trouble. we're in every kind of trouble you can have. our country is a mess. we're going strengthen the border. do all of the things you and i have been talking about for a long time now, george. it will be great. >> mr. trump, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you very much. and we're join bid the number two finisheher in south carolina. senator marco rubio. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> we heard donald trump say he's not sure you're eligible to run for president. your response? >> well, this is -- look this is a pattern. game he plays. he says something that is edgy and outrageous. the media flocks and covers it. and nobody else can get any coverage on anything else. that worked when there are 15 people r running for president. that doesn't work now.
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his thoughts on eligibility. this country faces a very significant and important choice in 2016. and it needs to be made in a serious way. the consequences are extraordinary if we get thi election wrong. republicans need to elect someone who unify the party, grow the party, and win this election. that's why i'm asking people to vote for me. to on my website, marco and sign up to support the effort. >> one note that mitt romney may be set to enzors youdorse you? is that true? >> i have spoken to him. he's not set to endorse me. if he were, we would not be announcing it on the huffington post. i would love to have his enrsement. >> his top strategist, stewart stooechbs, is in "the new york times" this morning taking a
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it's crazy that nobody else is trying to win but trump. rubio is not going after the person who i is winning. i've never seen campaign t that seems as satisfied to not go after the leader. is it time to take on mr. trump directly? >> this is not an election like others up to this point. seven, eight people dividing up 70% of the vote. i had one superpac that spend $40 million going after me. you can only take on so many people at one time. this is not about going after donald trump. it isn't. people want to obsess about that. >> he is the front-runner. >> it's about who is the most capable -- he's the front-runner when you have seven people running. 70% of republicans nationally are saying i'm not willing to vote for donald trump. once the number narrows, we'll
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we have to nominate someone that can take our message to newew people, and that can win. someone that is going win in november. we cannot lose this election. i give our party the chance to nominate someone as conservative as anyone in the race. i am conservative that can unite us. can grow this party. and can ultimately win in november. that's the argument we're going make. if there are differences between me and donald trump on policy, as i'm sure there are, we'll talk about those. >> bottom line is he qualified, if your view, to be commander in chief? nomine >> well, i'm going to support the republican nominee because is so horrific. i will say this. i don't believe he's exhibited an understanding of foreign policy, which is the most in chief. to say i'm going to surround myself with smart people, that's
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you, yourself, have to make judgments. you ve to understand these things. on the day he becomes are the, i become prident, whoever becomes president, the world is not going to wait until you catch up before they start testing you. day one. our next president has to be something to bring this country together. some level of unity. not unanimity. but unity. that's the kind of president i'll be i'll be a president for all americans. even tse who do not aagree with me. i think that is very important given what we have faced in the last seven years and how divisive barack obama has been. >> where do you win? >> well, when we get to the winner-take-all s states w havee to start winning. they award all the delegates to one person. we're going to be doing national campaign. i'm in tennessee today. then arkansas.
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tomorrow more of the same. we're competing everywhere. the way this process works for people that are watching, these states are awarding delegates proportionate proportionately. come march 15th, if you win a state, you get all of thei delegates. we'll be in real good shape for that. >> and florida is must win? >> i think that is trueor ern in the race. it's always been true. we feel real good about florida. especially now that the race is narrowed. i have a lot of admiration for governor bush. we shared supporters. now t thate's suspends his campaign, i think that boosts us t just in florida, but ohio. and o otherer k places. >> senator rubio, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. and we're joined now by the man who came in third in south carolina. senator ted cruz joins us. thank you for joining us this morning. you said you defied expectations last night. how is a third place finish
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we have been through the first three primary states. we won iowa with baig margin. came in third in new hampshire. in a state where they said a conservative could not do well in a moderate new england state. last night, we effectively tied. there is now only one song conservative remaining in this race that can win. our game plan from day one was do well in the first four states. and con sol dade conservatives to go forward i into super tuesday. i think we're positioned eye deal liely to do that. >> your base. trum won them over. how do you explain that? doesn't it bode ill for you on super tuesday? >> well, listen. donald trump has proven to be a formidable candidate. one of the things the first three states have shown is there
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beaten enen or can beat donald trump. 70% don't believe trump is the right candidate to go head to head with hillary clinton and beat her in november. one of the things we're seeing coming out of last night is people are recognizing, okay, if we want to beat trump, cruz is the only one who can do it. he's the only one who has done it. papart of th reason is, george, you cannot beat trump coming from the left. you cannot beat trump with a candidate who supports amnesty. it doesn't work. the you come at the left to trump, you will lose. the only way to beat trump is with a strong proven constitutional conservative. that's why we have had 980,0000 contributions at people acro the country are saying, we need to have a real conservative. i think south carolina will only accelerate that process. >> you have been making that case. it's not work something far. donald trump won new hampshire. won south carolina yesterday by a large margin. no republican who has won both
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the nomination. are you going to be up to having to make a new and tougher case agnst donald ump? and what is it? >> look, a primary is an ongoing conversation. everyone in the media said trump would win iowa. we, then, had the largest turnout. earned more votes in iowa than any republican in history. last night, one of the m most encourages results, our campaign wonoung people in south carolina. we won young people in iowa. two statates in row that we won young people. new hampshirire, we we in second place with young people. you want to talk about where the excitementnt, the energy is, young people want a brighter future. theyant jobs. they want their konks constitution -- consistent tugt constitutional rights protected. marco was endorsed by the popular governor and senator and
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all the establishment circled their wagons around marco. me still only came in second. frankly, if i had done that in iowa, look in iowa, we had the heavy hitters come behind our campaign. if he had come in second or third, you guys would have barbecued us for having all the big hitter behind us and not winning. we won iowa. even though all the big hitters were behind one of our opponents in south carolina, we still effectively tied for second. what we're doing is unifying conservatives. >> that may be true. as long as you and marco rubio are going after each other, doesn't that give donald trump a clear path? >> that's a great ququestion. donanald devotes all his time and energy, money, to attacking me. that demonstrates that donald sees me as the only real threat to him and for that matter,,
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and energy toto attacking me as well. he's been unwillingg o afraid or for whenever reason, he won't take on trump. if you want to beat donald trump jourks to go with the only campaignhat has demonstrated we can beat donald trump. i'll tell you, going into super tuesday, i think we're positioned, nine days from today, to have an amazing day. our base on the ground is strong. listen, republicans want a reaeal conservative. they don't want someone like donald trump who supported john kerry, jimmy carter, hillary clinton. supported the wall street bailouts. the obama stulus. they wawant, instead, someone who will stand up to the washington deals. >> we'll be watching. senator cruz, thank k you for joining us this morning. >> thank you, george. much more ahead with the power house round table. and rins previs.
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we have heard from the accounteds. joined now by the chair of the republican party, reince prbus. i was struck by a number in the exit pols. more than half of south carolina voters feel betrayed by the republican party. they voted i in big numbers for donald trump. is his success ann indictment of the party you lead? >> no, i don't think so, george. you look at all the exit polls, i think people are sick and
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sick and tired of washington, d.c. and i think, just actually sick and tired of all of both parties. i think it's just a general feeling out there that's real. wouldn't deny it. but, obviously, all these folks are fighting to be the nominee. and spokesperson of our party. we're going to be there to support whoever that nominee is. ? you talk about a spokes person for your party. talk about donal trump. just this week, he said president bush lied about weapon of m mass destruction. that's what many called a liberal left position. he was called unchristian by the pope. he supported democrats much of his adult life. are you really prepared to have him as spokesperson for the republican party and to lead a a convention that nominates him? >> if the delegates, you know, get accumulated in such way that any one of these candidates becomes the nominee, it's our
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and we will. we're prepared to support whoever the nominee becomes. i think it's early in the process. when the time comes, when we're setting either before cleveland or at cleveland or whenn ever that point may come, and we have a presumptivenominee. the rnc will join in with the nonee and put together the biggest ground game and data operation that we have ever seen. you know we've made incredible strides at the rnc in becoming far m more prepared today than we were four years ago. so yes, we will support the nominee. to me, it's a no mf brainer. >> a lot of top reasonpublicans think that's going to break the party apart. >> winning is the anti-dote to a lot of things. if we win in november, the armchair quarterbacks will fall in line.
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who the nominee is going to be is not my choice. obviously, we're going support whoever that is. >> you could play a big role if no nominee goes in with enough delegates before the convention to win on the firstballot. you have said it's early in the process the. but are you prepare forward brokered convention? areou planning for it? what does that mean? >> we're prepared for anything. i was general counsel for two years before i was chairman of the party. i've been chairman for six years. i don't think there are toop people more familiar with the procedures of nominating someone at aonvention than i am. so, i am prepared. and we'll be prepared if that happens. but again, i don't think that will be the case. if it did, then, of course, obviously, it would be pretty historic. but we'll be ready.y. >> mr. chairman, thank you for your time this morning. >> you bet.
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roundtable" roundtle". joined by m matthew wd. sara fegan. alex cast lan nose. and rowland martin. host of news one now. and jennifer grantholm. let's begin with the big question. sara fegan. is donald trump now the presumptive nominee? can he be stopped? >> i don't think he can be stopped i totality. i think we're n in a delegate race. as we head into super tuesday. we're going to have a third of the delegates selected by the end of that evening. donald trump will have majority of the delegates most likely. the question for the republican party is, how do we get folks out of this race so somebody can accumulate enough delegates at a convention to beat him? >> you have jeb bush out of the race alex. it look like john kasich and ben carson will stay in. you have three solid candidates no matter what. they're still going to be
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>> what if donald trump is already stopped? he's hardened a vote around himself that is intense. will walk through ice storms to vote. but he's also hardened a lot of vote against himself. jeb bush drops out of the race. a lot of that vote goes to rubio. rubio is close to trump in states like virginia, north carolina. if cruz winstexas. rubio wins in other states and goes into florida. wins that. what if there's a romney endorsement? bio may have won the nomination last night. >> the problem with that, alex, what you have described is three men splitting the delegates a third a third and a third. and in that scenario, this thing is going to go much, much longer. and you have scenario where we're in the convention, potentially. >> i think there's a premise in that that i don't think we have
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when you win, your ceiling usually goes up. when you start winning, more voters start being more available to you. i think donald trump, as of tomorrow morning is going start looking across the landscape. his numbers in the states that were already high will rise because he won. >> democrats prepared for race against donald trump? >> y know, give us any of them. butt donald trump, which is such great contrast with what happened yesterday in nevada on the democratic side. donald trump being anti-mexican, anti-muslim, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti-science. and hillary clinton putting together this coalition that look like america. it's an -- it will be ann incredible contrast. is now the face of the republican party. i hear these guys desperatelyly hoping that that's not going to be the case. but donald strump now thetrump is now the face of the republican party. they've made their bed.
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2008. soso what they should be focusing on right now is yes, you have, stop complaining about bernie sanders being this the race. you need him in theace because you need media attention. you need a lot of folks paying 'tension. they should be driving hard. i i don't unrstand why they're not spending massive amount of money in texas to register those 2.1 mlion eligible unregistered hispanics. nearly 1 milillion folks in georgia alone that are ununregister. that's where they should be. it will be a turnout game for them in ohio and florida. >> one of the things we learned yesterday. calm a couple of things. the establishment force in the democratic party is stronger than the establishment force in the republican party. the establishment force was able to stop bernie sanders yesterday. the two dominant players from
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donald trump, are incredibly flaud continues. hillary clinton is not doing well with younger voters. distrusted by the ma yort majority of the country. disliked by the majority of the country. donald trumpl, distrusted and disliked by the majority of the country. >> let me pick up on the first point. this has been remarkable. this grumbling among republican establishment. fear of donald trump. not many willing to stand up and do something about it. is this that's right. you have notot seen much money spent against him to date. and, what's more is, i think the challenges -- we haven't been able to get behind an alternative. there's no evidence that ted cruz will get out. marco rubio i on the ascent. john kasich believes he has a fire wall in michigan and ohio. unless we call the field to one alternative, donald trump may not be stopped. >> that's not the problem. >>onald trump --
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perspective, yes, roland, it is a problem. >> i think donald trump is utonium. it can fuel your business but it can also kill you. and they lee him alone. and d there's a good argument to do that because he may be capped. the way to run against donald trump is to run against hillary clinton. is to a generational race. leave him behind. he may be stuck where he is. >> that's what's been happening for the last six months and he's running away with the nomination. >> george this is their problem, this is their problem, they invited evil in and now evil is taking over. okay. 2009, the night of obama's inauguration, we will stop him as every turn. they love the tea party ang person they took advantage of it. they said, we can control it the. we can harness it. now all of a sudden, trump is taking advantage of it. the republican establishment has
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now it's about to consume us. >> they have to accept some blame. >> donald trump is going to take over. >> i don't think the establishment has played with tire. it looks more le a hostile takeover. donald trump is nonknot a conservative. >> why did they like his burter against obama? the fund raising in 2012? if the republicans accepted his fund-raising prowess in 2012? >> we've told america that our principles are only goodor saying no and telling people what they can't do. there's a democratic party that is offering more of the same old failure. washington hasn't done enough. a republican party that can only say no to everything. theemerican people are furious on both ends. they want to throw everything out. the failure belongs to bototh parties. >> i agree with alex. what created donald trump is both party establishments. the country feeling lying the
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washington doesn't work for anybody. certainly doesn't work for the working class of the country. that's the same thing that created bernie sander >> only 4% of the rublican superpac money is spent attacking donald trump. you have had total hands off. ross dellpat from the new york sometimes said this iss the way to attack donald trump. go rig at the hypocrisy of him having created stuff like, trump mortgage. go after theeople that were hurt. his base. those who wept on -- >> it hasn't been done. >> you have not -- >> political ads in this -- >> he's got -- he's making ts in china. >> one at a time. >> political ads in this campaign have not worked. the voters in the republican paent don't have all the information? they have the information. he's done more to take himself than any oth candidate and he continues to win. the problem is, until this race,
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until this race goes to a one-on-one race. and it may never go to a one-on-one race, donald trump wins. >> don't try to blame the democrats for this one. the republicans loved the anger when it helped them in the midterms. they don't like it now. >>oters know these candidates. this has been national campaign. we're exhausted with them. there's no new information that will change that. what is going to change it may be winning and momentum or gee geometry. candidates falling out. forward. i don't believe donald trump will ultimately be the nominee. it may be a bloody fight on the convention floor. >> is that a dream? >> it may be a bloody fiteght on the convention floor. whoever does represent the party in november needs to figure out how the harness his supporters.
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>> donald trump represents 60 million frustrated americans. we talk about it like it's a weird thing over there. he represents a huge chunk of the american public. they're trying to vent how they feel. their frustration and anger. >> you're not saying 50 million, 60 million will vote for trump? >> if donald trump is the republican nominee -- >> part of the issue is anger. they're ticked off at america changing in terms of how we look, becoming a majority-minority country. they're ticked off. those same voters at some point, need to say, i was the one who screwed up because i kept voting for some folks. they ao have to say, hold onon, hold on. that's the mistake we make. we want to -- we want to hd everybody accountable except for the people that vote for candidates. i would say, oh, john wayne,
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show me how that man has cared about a republican voter over his career? no, no, no. >> i was going to say in the general lex, when you put donald trump's experiee in foreign policy and in going and doing that against hillary clinton's, she'll have a chance t to pull over a lot of independent voters. second -- wait, wait. last night, last night, if you asked people in nevada what their number one issue is, they would say jobs. she won those voters enormously because she has since new hampshire, started to focus her message on what is causing people to be -- have barriers. >> i have to call time. i have to call time. >> 650,000 voted in south carolina. >> that was great. this is going to continue. we have to come ba. when we come back, apple on h hot seat should they help the fbi unlock a terrorist's cell phone.
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lawyer. we're seeing many more people involved in terrorist situations using peer to peer communications. it gives us grave concern. >> on your smartphone today, your iphone. there's likely health information. intimate conversations with your family. and you should have the ability to protect it. and, the only way we know how to do that is to encrypt it >> apple and google are their
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saying no one can tell me what to do. >> that battle between apple and the fbi ramped up big-time this week when the fbi asked a judge to force apple to help them unlock the iphone of the san bernardino terrorist. we're joined by the lawyer who will be making apple's case. ted olson. mr. olson, thank you for joining us this morning. the justice department had tough words for apple. this is not about privacy and security but apple's concern for its business model and public brand marketing strategy. how do you respond? >> we have the greatest respect for the justice department and the fbi for their goals and their motivations. we would hope we would goat the same respect and understanding back. this san extremely important debate about privacy, civi
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we want, and apple has helped the fbi in this investigation in every way the law required. but it has to draw the line at re-creating code. changing its iphone, putting its engineers and creative talents to destroy the iphone as it exists. apple has a responsibility to maintain the trust and faith of millions of people who are depended upon apple t produce a product that protects their privacy, their intimate personal life. this is a pandora's box. we're not just talking about one magistrate. there are hundrs of magistrates. hundreds of other courts. and there's no limit to what the government could require apple to do if it succeeds this way. we're before a judge. the dge hasn't decided yet. we'r're filing briefs lp there will be arguments. this is a proces that even the
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an important national debate. the law doesn't require apple to do what the fbi is asking so far. congress hasn't addressed the issue. apple is adhering to the trust of its millions of iphone purchasers. >> how far does this principle extend? would am be a posing this request? >> apple cooperates in every way possible. if youere asked or your network were asked to create program to use your talents to ensnare a kidnapper, a criminal, a money-launderer, or a terrorist, you would have the responsibility to resist that unless and until there's legal authority that ruires you to do that. apple respects the law. but the -- this very issue was debated, fbi directorr comey who i know and respect g great deal id there should be a dedebate. congress should maybe do
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the government decided not to submit that legislation to congress. it needs to be done. we're waiting for a court to hear the issues and decide this thing. there's a -- a matter -- this is not just one magistrate in san bernardino. there are judges all over the country. and foreign governments. people in foreign countries that will be very, very susceptible to invasion of their privacy if apple can be forced to change its iphone, to resign its iphone. it's cooperated in every way it can with respect to the powers that it has. it's resisted changing the system that people have trusted. >> how far is apple willing to take this fight? will the executives be willing to go the jail, b be held in contempt? >> i don't want to get ahead of the judicial branch. there's a magistrate yesterdayt to have a hearing.
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favor, the government will appeal. if it rules against apple, an appeal. ultimately, possibly, to the united stas supreme court. we're notot talking about contempt of court. we're talking about respecting the fact that a court hasn't really ruled yet. and congress has decided not to enter into this arerea and not to require apple to do what is basically, essentially very difficult to do and would require apple to comeply with these types of court orders all over the world. daging your personal, financial privacy, hlth records. where your children are. the implications are very important. step back and good for you for having us on your program. we need to debate these issues. remember, terrorists wish to change our lives. they wish to take away our civil liberties. we can't surrender our civilil
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terrorists victory that they actually seek. we had a revolutionary war over general writs supplied by the king. we have to stick to principles. >> we're joined by john miller, the nypd's deputy commissioner. mr. solsen said, this is going to affect everybody. your response? >> um, mr. olsen is not a good american. he's great american. he served his country adds solicitor yen inhe justice department. he's been a first amendment lawyer in other cases. but, remember, the client here, apple. this case is entirely overstated. the giant parade of terribles, if we get into the terrorist's phone and find out there's a messe in it that tips us off to two other terrorists and a plot here in new york city, that's on me, george. so that's important. that the parade of terribles, which is suddenly the government
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records, go through the private information and give it away to the world is absush. up until september 14th, apple held thehe key to its own code. they held it in apple head quarters. when somebody showed up with a search warrant, signed bay federal judge or some other lawful authority. apple took the key, opened it up, provided it. >> i want to get to one specific answer to something. sit possible for apple to tailor something for this phone in that way they can then destroy it so it's not reply kabl? >> that's the absurd thing. what the justice department asked for is for's toll go into its own lab, its own ofoffices, find a feature that can bypass the thing that will destroy all the information in the phone after t false tries on the code, and to take that and then throw it away and hand the phone baback to thfbi with a couple of features that allows them to try
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this phone, a government-owned phone that belonged to two dead people who have no privacy rights w are in the m middle of frift investigation. i don't know why we're still talking about this. >> we'll have to revisit that is all for us foed.
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