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starting right now on abc's "this week" -- tragedy in charleston. new this morning. prayer and hope. the emanuel ame church hope opening for the first time since the ram page brand-new exclusive interviews with the families about what comes next. gop drama. jeb bush jumps in can he separate from the 2016 pack? and donald trump, serious candidate or side show? plus on this father's day, hon honoring a hero dad. the inspiration behind the ice bucket challenge. on his brand-new mission. from abc news a special edition of "this week," reporting from charleston south carolina martha raddatz. good morning, from here in
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charleston. known as the holy city for all of its churches. it's the first sunday since the tragedy at the emanuel church this morning, take a look at the worshipers gathering for the first time since wednesday night's massacre. healing and hoping that the future will bring some kind of peace and the entire charleston community is uniting this morning at houses of prayer throughout this wounded city. in a few moments we'll bring you new interviews with the families of those who were killed telling their powerful and moving stories. this morning, we'll also explore those big questions -- about race about hate about that confederate flag still flying near the state capitol. so many in this community and across the country saying it's time to take it down. but first, we're learning chilling new details this morning about that accused mass murderer steve osunsami has
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been here all week long. >> good morning. >> good morning, martha. this accused gunman is cooperating with the police investigation. the photo on the front page of the local paper, nine roses remembering the nine people killed outside this church. over the past few days we have seen hundreds, perhaps thousands of people come to this church laying candles and flowers, all with one message that charleston and country is better than this. in the words of one victim's family hate won't win. the faithful are holding their sunday services just three days after their church was a crime scene. the alleged gunman who police say meant to kill black people is seen on photos on a website updated an hour before the killing, their trying to determine if 21-year-old dylann roof wrote this manifesto saying that the trayvon martin case made him anger.
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and that south carolina has no skinheads, no real kkk. well, someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world and i guess that has to be me. he never thought roof was racist. but admits he may have missed a sign when roof joked about blowing up a college. >> i don't think the church was the primary target. he told us he was going for the school. but, i think he couldn't get into that school because of the security and all that. >> reporter: despite the blood that was spilt here the families are forgiven. on the baseball diamond -- >> love is always stronger than hate. >> reporter: in the courtroom in front of the accused shooter. >> hate won't win. we have no room for hate. so we have to forgive. >> reporter: and in the high heat outside the church. >> we're all one, our hearts
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our bloods all the same. >> reporter: now a very difficult part for these families the first of these funerals for the pastor of this church is now scheduled for the end of the week. >> and that will be very difficult, thanks very much steve. as we just heard from steve the family members words rifted the nation when they expressed their forgiveness in that charleston courtroom friday afternoon. last night, we sat down with two family members. malcolm graham the brother of victim cynthia hurd. today, would have been cynthia hurd's 55th birthday. >> tell me about your sister. >> cynthia was an angel. she was personable. she was sharp. she was krandcandid.
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she loved her family she loved her community, she loved being a librarian, she loved books and she loved words. not only a big sister to me she was my best friend she was our family's matriarch and she was the one we all turned to when we needed some help. >> tell me about your cousin. >> depayne middleton was a phenomenal human being. she loved her children with everything she could love them with. she wanted them to have the world. she was the voice of reason for many of us making sure we stayed on the right track and she was an inspiration to all of us. >> what do you tell your cousin's kids? >> i'm inspired by my cousin's
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children the strength they have demonstrated. the only thing that i can do right now is to tell them that i love them and as a family that we are there for them that they're not alone. >> we were in the courtroom yesterday. it was such a stunning moment to hear people talk about forgiveness. >> for me i'm a work in progress and i acknowledge that i am very angry. we have no room for hate so we have to forgive. >> the spirit of this community is so deeply rooted in faith, there wasn't anything anyone else could say other than i forgive you. it doesn't negate the fact that we are angry, hurt and wounded. >> forgiveness for me will come in time. i got a ways to get there. if my sister was walking across the street and hit by a car, i can forgive the individual, it was an accident.
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what happened on wednesday night was premeditated it was calculated. it was intentional. and so i would love to see justice served. this was hate. >> people are always excited to hear someone say, i forgive. but i believe in order for resill yags to begin, you must acknowledge the hurt the grieve answer that was brought against the on press. we have to start there before we can get to the other side of this. >> how did this city go forward? >> i think the city moves forward with what you're seeing over the last several days they unite, emanuel ame church is a strong historical church strong roots, deeply rooted in the charleston community and i think you see coming together. >> such incredible strength. now, let's bring in state
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representative reverend carl anderson and former state representative sellers, their colleague and friend clementa pinckney was among the victims of the horrific church shooting. reverend around anderson i want to start with you, we're in front of the mother emanuel church you're a pastor and a state legislature. what would you say to that congregation this morning? >> i would say, we are praying for you and service will begin today. we just ask they will come out and just praise god in midst of what has happened this past week >> i know you're thinking about senator pinckney i know you're also thinking about his children. >> yes. >> his daughters. >> yes. >> the children of the others lost. >> today, it's father's day.
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many are getting brunch in bed. but, their families today going without their fathers on this day, especially senator pinckney's two girls and that takes a little bit out of your spirit out of your soul. but we have to stay strong. we have to stay resilient. this community has been through so much. and so much death. so much hatred. but if senator pinckney was here he would tell us to stand up and do not bow our head go to church this morning and praise worship and celebrate and so today, we lift him up in honor, we lift up those nine families. those angels will singing loudly during church service today. >> i want to move to the issue of the confederate flag that still flies near the capitol building we heard this week jeb bush say bring it down mitt
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romney say bring it down will that make a difference? >> that will not make a difference with them being outsiders. it takes the state of the south carolina. not only this week i hope but in the next seven months when we come back to the general assembly everyone will remember this week it will be a bipartisan bill for us to move that confederate flag put it in a museum somewhere in columbia where it would be off the state capitol ground. i hope everyone rebs this. when we go back to session in january 2016. >> representative sellers, how fragile do you think the progress that's been made. >> i have been saying that throughout the week. february 1968 in north carolina we had another massacre where 27 students were wounded.
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my father was actually one shot that night and the history books call it the orange bowl massacre. my father is 70. i'm 30 years old. just to go back briefly to the confederate flag and what that represents our good friend clementa pinckney is going to be laying in state, lying in state excuse me in the rotunda of the state building. that banner that flag may not have killed clementa but it gave his shooters and others like that a banner under which to justify their actions. >> thank you both very much for join joining us this morning. >> thank you very much for having this morning. >> thank you. and please keep us in your prayers. now to dylann roof that manifesto, those hateful words police are investigating -- abc's legal analyst dan abrams
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and michael german a former fbi agent who infiltrated white sue premist groups join us now. michael, you have seen reports of that manifesto that they're looking into it as dylann roof may have written it what does that tell you about him? >> i think it fits a pattern where, individuals have some deep-seeded hatred or fear or frustration and they're looking for some justification for it. so they go to the internet they go to different groups or organizations, trying to find some justification, where their anger and frustration can fit in. >> you once infiltrated a white supremacist group, it doesn't appear he was affiliated with any group, is this new, loan
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wolf? >> it's not new. the above-ground groups the groups you hear about, tend not to be involved in criminal activity. because they're identifiable. it's not usual. they're actually instructed to go out and do something on their own or a small cell of like-minded people. >> and dan abrams that brings to mind they're charging him or looking into it as a hate crime, but there seems to be so many similarities to terrorism, does it matter what they charge him with? >> we need to separate it out into the federal and state possible charges. under south carolina law, there actually isn't a hate crime law, so if they were going to pursue this as a hate crime they would have to do it federally. the more likely scenario though is he get charges in
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south carolina under their state law, and faces the possibility of the death penalty, the death penalty would be much harder there would be more con view lated way to get there. garden variety murder case where the death penalty is on the table in the killing of these nine people. >> and do you see any defense here for dylann roof if you were dylann roof's lawyer? >> not as of right now, it seems he's cooperating with the authorities. look a in occasional cases you see someone who comes forward, cooperate with the authorities, sometimes you'll see someone plead guilty in a case like this you know people talk about immediately about the insanity defense. the insanity conference is so hard to win, particularly in a
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case like this where seems to have been so much premeditation. what he was going to do it and why he was going to do it. when you think of the defense, i think his lawyers right now are trying to sort out exactly what happened here and trying to just get through these initial proceedings, figure out, is this going to be tried in state or federal court? and make the ultimate determine in addition which is is my client going to plead guilty? >> thank you very much dan. now to joseph riley the mayor of charleston he's spent his political life lifting the city now he's on the front lines of charleston's massive effort to overcome this stunning tragedy. we talked to mayor joe riley moments after he meant with families of the victims.
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>> and it was wonderful to be able to personally convey to them condolences and all of the help that they're going to get. >> reporter: an assurance from mayor riley is an assurance from all from charleston. he's the face of this city and in his powerful message at friday's vigil, he spoke of unity for everyone. >> but if that young man he was going to divide this community or this country with racial hadred we are here to say, he measurably failed. >> tell me it was like addressing your city addressing those people who are so hurt? >> what i saw was something very heartwarming it was a mixed race audience black and white singing and praying together. >> reporter: yet racial tensions have been high in this city
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just two months ago, video showing white officer michael sleigher shooting unarmed african-american walter scott in the back. one man who tried to calm that anger, also one of wednesday's shooting victim reverend clementa pinckney state representative and beloved leader of emanuel ame church. >> the lord teaches us to love all. and we pray that over time that justice be done. >> reporter: justice hasn't always had a place in charleston. we met a historian at one of city's docks, where slave ships brought millions in chains. >> the city of charleston is built upon the backs of slaves. >> reporter: and south carolina was the first state of the confederacy. a place where segregation ran
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deep. what does that history do to this city? >> the history frames how we understand race. while a lot of progress has been made there are still institutional remnants in our system of education the economy. >> why do you think the killer chose charleston chose that church? >> it embodies a history of resistant. >> reporter: over the years, emanuel ame has been closed by law and burned down. but its determined congregates have always rebuilt it. something he embraces. a community activist who believes there's still a long way to go. >> you hope that the millennials, that the young people will get over that thinking that one race is superior to another. >> reporter: mayor riley shares
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that hopeful eye toward the future as his community begins to heal. >> we're going to help those families that church that's a way of helping people move forward. >> and helping you. that action -- >> it helps me a lot. >> our thanks to mayor riley. much more from charleston ahead. the intense debate, was this an act of terror? ferguson baltimore, now charleston is there a link? "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by xerox. w xerox as the company that's all about printing. but did you know we also support hospitals using electronic health records for more than 30 million patients? or that our software helps over 20 million smartphone users remotely configure e-mail every month? or how about processing nearly $5 billion in electronic toll payments a year? in fact, today's xerox is working in surprising ways to help companies simplify the way work gets done and life gets lived. with xerox, you're
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next was is this shooting an act of terrorism, but first a librarian, a grandmother, a reverend a recent college grad all among the nine killed in the charleston tragedy. who we pause now to remember. ♪
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♪ as police continue their investigation this morning, the nation is once again taking a hard look at racism and violence in america. i'm joined by new yorkers staff writer and unit of connecticut jel jelani cobb. also with me is joumpblist charlayne hunter-gault who was born in south carolina and the first after can american woman to enroll at the university of georgia, thanks so much both of you for joining us. jelani one of the things that you said about this tragedy and you have written so beautifully this week is that language matters, what do you mean by that. >>. >> so we talked about this in a
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lot of way, we said it's a horrible incident. we can say it's a tragedy. but this is an act of terrorism. like we had this debate in 2012 mitt romney was going back and forth, you know about whether or not the president called what happened in benghazi terrorism or he tried to evade what that actually was, this is something that qualifies -- you go through the patriotic act and how it describes act of terrorism and everything purports to what we saw here. i think we have to be honest and call it that. >> the fact that dylann roof appears to acted without accomplices will inevidently be taken as sol lace you wrote, he will be dismissed as a deranged loner. >> this is a tradition of this we look at the history of this country and we understand that
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there's a great deal of terrorism that you know has taken place since the foundation of it and that african-americans have been on the receiving end of that terror and so he's part of a lineage and tradition that's deeply rooted in american history, so we can't -- even if he acted alone, he's standing on the shoulders of the people who committed atrocities before him. >> and charlayne, your history is quite incredible, the first african-american to enroll in the university of georgia as a young woman, you have watched the civil rights movement it seems like there's progress -- >> there is progress and i think that you know when we have horrible situations like this people tend to focus on just that and not on the progress. i wouldn't be sitting here hadn't had the experiences that i had starting at the new yorker where jelani now works and many other signs of progress just not my own.
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i want to say, what jelani just talked about, what worries me about all of this is that this young man who currently stands to have murdered so many people in such a horrific way, was not born when apartheid was the governing creed of south africa he wasn't born during the era of rhodesia so my question is where does that come from? and as jelani says there's a history here that we need to take into account, history of african -- >> what about young people you're writing a book about millennials. you lived through this. they haven't as you have said. dylann roof didn't live through that. but what about young african americans? what should be doing? >> i think we all, young and
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old, african-americans, white people asian people, everyone who's a part of this nation part of the global community, needs to be looking at our history, our schools aren't teaching our history and so most of our young people won't even recognize the apartheid symbol in this young man's life meant. we have to teach them and we also have to teach them the history of struggle and how we overcame so that we continue to stand up to people who have these kind of attitudes. our young people need to know that the african med thattist the church was one, we have also. my father was a minister. my grandfather was a minister in that church. we have always said we are first class. >> thank you so much charlayne. thank you so much jelani. ahead -- presidential rick
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let's be clear, at some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries and it is in our power to do something about it. president obama reacting to the tragedy here in charleston like other mass shootings, this tragedy has reignited so many political debates. here to dig into that former gop senator and current presidential candidate rick santorum. welcome, senator santorum.
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you called this shooting a crime of hate racially motivated, should it be considered an act of terrorism. >> no question when someone comes into a church for the reasons of racism and hate they're trying to terrorize people i don't think there's any question that this is an about of terrorism, it's purely evil as we have seen in this country in a long long time. >> you would like to see those federal charges brought against him. >> federal charges, state charges, there are currently a lot of charges. this young man is going to get jus served on him. >> you heard president obama on there, say by one count, this was the 14th time he has had to respond to a maz shooting. if you don't think gun control measures are a solution, what do you think we as a nation to stop this reoccurrence? >> what i saw here in charleston over the last few days to me has given me more hope than i have
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seen in a long time. the victims' families that bond hearing, if i were a pastor in a church today, i would play that bond hearing of those family members getting up and showing true forgiveness, showing that how the pain of what this young man did their families and then being able to forgive, we saw it here in charleston right here, within 424 hours, the worst of america and the best of america, i think that gives hope the real sense that we have people here who understand that the way to overcome all of this horrible violence is through, through resill yags. >> but not everyone responds that way. you in 2002 said america had a simmering problem when it comes to race do you still believe
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that? >> i would just say that again, the best answer is showing the humanity of -- i mean who comes out looking better in this -- in the world, who looks better? that's the key. >> what about the confederate flag, you saw mitt romney's tweet, bring down the flag. jesh bush has said bring down that flag. should they bring down that flag? >> i think the federal has no -- >> you're a candidate of president. do you have a position on this at all? >> i'm not a south carolinian i think this is a decision -- >> this is beyond south carolina. >> these are decisions that should be made by people. i don't think federal government federal candidates should be making decision on everything. this is a decision that needs to be made in south carolina. like everybody else i have my opinion. i think the opinion of people here in south carolina and having them work through this difficulty is much more important than politicalizing
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it. >> what is your opinion. >> let the people of south carolina go through the progress of making this decision. >> quickly, campaign politics donald trump officially jumped into the race do you take his candidacy seriously? >> well i have the affliction of liking donald trump. he's a good man. and you know four years ago at the end of my campaign i talked about what a wonderful experience it was running for president. i quipped, everyone should run for president. little did i know that people would take me up on it. it looks like everyone is running for president. it's not a bad thing to have a whole bunch of different points of view out there running for president. >> thank you very much senator santorum. on that note we'll go to my colleague jon karl with other political news this morning. martha we'll get straight
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to it we have the roundtable. so steve, let's get to this debate on the flag which wasn't a big issue in the last republican primary, but mitt romney has put it out there, strong statement, bring it down what is going to happen with the party of lincoln on this issue. >> let's talk about it. it's always a perilous thing to look at one individual and look at the larger ramifications. people can take advantage of that. in this case you have a young man who's been associated with this online manifesto in which he talks about current evens, that puts it on the table and you have conservatives, including romney and others who are increasingly saying that this is problem for conservatives, because conservatives want to make state rights arguments and they are discredited when they are associated with this flag.
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there's increasingly it seems to me an urge to get that out of the way so republicans can make their arguments on the issue. >> sara are we going to see republican candidates dance a under this? jeb bush said i took it down in florida. he was the strongest so far. >> but, he didn't come out and say south carolina should take it down. >> i think most of these candidates push this back as a state's rights issue. what rick santorum said was right. about the federal government. >> this is going to be an issue debated in south carolina. >> it's going to be an issue debated in south carolina. it's important to remind folks this was somewhat settled in 20 on 0 when this flag was moved to the grounds of the capitol, it used to fly over the capitol. >> clearly it's not settle
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because of the symbol it represents. it representing all of the hatred that's focused on racism in this country for so many people including with what just happened in south carolina. i commend mitt romney. i frankly think, it would help the republican party moving forward, because day have a problem with inclusiveness, with tolerance and for a republican party that wants to reach the white house, that needs lots more percentage of voters minorities latinos, women, this is something that they need to get out of the way so like steve said focus on the issues. >> i do think it's clearly a symbol of pain for a lot of african-americans and i think party leaders need to think about that as we have this debate. i think it's important in this debate while emotions are high right now to acknowledge that
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not every southerner who's a caucasian looks at that as racism. >> but i think also here what leaders can do is take off state grounds, right, the government doesn't need to be sanctioning this and that is the issue with the confederate flag. >> what jeb bush said. put it in the museum. >> it's fair we heard some voices early in the program from south carolina essentially say saying outsiders can't resolve this. south carolinians have to resolve this. >> i want to move on a big week in terms of 2016 one thing, we had the big announcements, jeb bush and donald trump. bernie sanders was the story, take a look at some scenes from bernie sanders this week. >> bernie sanders, our future and our next president.
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>> what an inspiration. >> i couldn't find one single thing that i disagreed with. >> watching all these candidates i don't think we have seen more enthusiasm for any candidate than we have seen for bernie sanders, so maria, what is going on -- hillary clinton supposed to be coronation here she now finds all of the energy in the democratic primary is now with 73-year-old self-described socialist from vermont. >> the media has thought this was going to be a coronation. the clinton campaign never thought that this was going to be a coronation. that's why she's fighting to earn every single vote. he's from a neighboring state. we shouldn't be surprised if he does very well in new hampshire and iowa and perhaps even wins. i think this is good for the democratic party, jonathan democrats don't want a coronation. as a hillary supporter, i think
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she'll be the nominee, she'll be that much better of a nominee because of bernie. >> the little discussed fact in the party the democratic base has moved farther to the left than the republican base has moved to the right. he's saying what many democratic activists what to hear. i think is a real challenge for mrs. clinton. he's not going to be the nominee, but he's going to cause her an incredible headache. and move her to the left and potentially make her unelectable in a general election. >> bit of history n 1992 pat buchanan challenged the first president bush never got anywhere close to him in the primaries, but he was getting votes. 31 31%. exactly, he got a third of the vote he was crushed in that primary, nevertheless it was
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seen as a sign of weakness for president bush. >> no democrat has broken 40% in iowa unless you're from there or an incumbent. or vp. >> we had the two big announcements, trump and jeb bush if you looked at the sentiment onlinened discussions online, trump was everywhere. >> i think he unfortunately for the republican party really cheapens the discourse of this debate because, look there's going to be really tense moments in this race but none of these candidates with the exception of trump are going to refer to each other as losers crooks liars, any number of other insults. he's about the sound bite and getting on the news. >> he criticized bush for not wearing a tie. we're out of time. thank you to the roundtable. we'll be back with martha in
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charleston in just 30 seconds. and we are back in charleston mother emanuel church reopening this morning for the first time the church at canpacitycapacity, a crowd gathered outside the church as well. listening on loud speakers. reverend sander welcoming the crowd in early, saying despite the events of the week we are remindd that we serve a god that
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i was inside that church just a short time ago the grace of those parishioners the grace of this city coming together, is incredible. and now i'm going to toss it back to you, jon, in washington. >> steve, what do you think watching that scene? >> it's a very simple scene, a very moving scene and it reminds me of the way the victims' families as we heard earlier in the program have been offering forgiveness to the accused shooter here and even it was amazing to me early in the hour hearing victims' families who were apologetic who couldn't get to forgiveness yet. that's deeply moving. this adds to that. >> the way the whole community has responded to this. >> that's exactly right. i think all of us especially in the political world, when our political discourse can get out of hand we need to learn from
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these families and these victims, it's just mumbly as a catholic myself this is something that is going to be weighing on us today and the next several weeks. >> simply beautiful. we can learn a lot from the way this community has handled itself in the way of aftermath of horrific hate. >> the victims' families as you point out steve, expressing apologizing for their own anger. >> yeah. >> even as they're expressing forgive bs as well. >> it's a historic church. it's connected among other things to a man named denmark v vesse. it's a reminder that dylann roof may be trolling through his version of history but we all are here at this moment, a very
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long american story, it's a very powerful story. no accident we're talking about the confederate flag in south carolina. this is something that should prompt us all to think not nearly about the act of this man but about the history of this country and the way its evolved. >> this also focuses, to steve's point, what an amazing country this is that we can go through this and as leaders and as people who are involved in politics we can take from this all of the positive attitudes from the victims' families and everyone in south carolina in such a difficult moment i looked at all of the talk of forgiveness and i even put myself in that position could i even do that? and i think as leaders in politics we need to take that and moving forward, figure out how it is we can now unify the country, talk about these very difficult issues and they are very difficult. issues of race and intolerance. but, we can do this.
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this is the greatness of this country. >> and charleston becomes a symbol here one thing you heard from mayor and a lot of folks down there, he wasn't from here. dylann roof wasn't from here. >> that's right. it's such a beautiful community. what i thing i loved about african-american community, how strong faith plays in their lives. >> all right, we'll be right back with
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in this morning's sunday spotlight a father's day inspiration. the man behind the famous ice bucket challenge, has sparked a powerful movement to help fight the terrible disease, als, we featured him as one of our game-champx on abc's "this week" and espn has been following his courageous effort from the start. here's espn's tom rinaldi with this dad's new mission. >> we first shared pete's story last summer. >> and that is hit high and deep. >> reporter: a captain of the boston college baseball team he graduated in 2007. five years later, at 27 he was diagnosed with als, or lou gehrig's disease. >> for a young guy like myself to be diagnosed, hopefully, i can use my youth to promote some
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awareness. >> reporter: by the time he took the ice bucket challenge himself last summer unable to walk or talk -- >> are you ready for this. >> reporter: the initiative had raised more than $100 million for als. less than a month later, pete and julie became parents to daughter lucy. >> fatherhood means everything to me. it's my driving force to keep battling every day. >> he is in so many ways a great husband, he's an even better father. and i -- i knew he would be but to see him with her was really incredible. >> pete is not the only father in the house.
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in 2012 shortly after the diagnosis, as pete's physical struggle was beginning, john frates quit his job as a financial planner. to become his son's full-time care giver. >> i said i cannot continue working, pretending that this is not going on, i'm here for him. >> hold my hand real quick, i'll stand. the most important role the you father played he was still dad, he loved and cared for me unconditionally. >> he's now on life support and the only reason he's doing this is hope. the ice bucket money, we hope is going to produce a treatment. his whole essence, his whole being is hope that he can see and be around for his daughter.
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>> reporter: two fathers. one loving his son. the other cherishing his daughter. father's day. every day. >> great message, our thanks to espn's tom rinaldi, he'll have much more on pete frates' inspiring mission later today on "sportscenter." that's all for us today. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight" for the latest news on the charleston tragedy and we leave you with the powerful service happening right now inside the emanuel ame church. ♪ jesus said you can -- ♪
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>> a gunman kills nine people in a south carolina church. is this just the story of a hate crime about one man or is it about us all? let's get the inside story. good morning and welcome to "inside story." i'm tamala edwards. let's introduce you to the panel. first up, pollster terry madonna. got a lot of stuff from you to dig into this morning. >> thank you, tam. >> also publishing executive and all kinds of executive brian tierney. >> thank you. >> attorney pedro ramos. >> good morning. >> and g.o.p. state official renee amoore. >> good morning. >> we're all a little sad this morning. we're still dealing with the fallout from charleston. a young man walked walked into a church -- young white man -- and in the end shot nine people who were in the middle of bible study on wednesday night. this is being called a hate crime -- a lot of talk about it. the president came out on thursday and talked about it and in passing said, "i don't know of any advanced nation that has the gun stats that we have, but there's not


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