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eclectic look to a spanish come in los angeles. >> i am david dalton, a designer in los angeles, and welcome. this house really represents for me and laboratory, where we mix things together, as i end up having things from different jobs, as is the case with these two chairs, which ended up here by accident. i brought my giant so figure, not knowing, and it ends up being a relief with a light color in this room. i also brought with me this large contemporary painting, wherever it goes, and it has lived with me. in this room, i decided that the pattern was going to be on the floor. the very patterned rugs. it creates the pattern in the room, and everything else is off
of that. because the dining room is really a space between the kitchen and living room, i wanted to furnish this with as few pieces as possible, and so i ended up making the much larger scale, said they are really over scaled. like the light fixture, which i had left over from a showcase house that i did. it seems like it would be a great centerpiece for the room with all of the intricate detail, and the broward was left from another resident, -- the borrow what -- wood was left from another residence. because this room functions as both a den and a guest room, i wanted to give a warm, more
intimate feeling, so i chose a dark covering to cover the walls with, and then i had fabrics and a pattern. i also wanted to create an intimate space for the bed, but in order to not make it feel too closed in, i had it echo the pattern in the fabric. this is really my favorite space in the house. this is really where i live. this space used to be the master closet, and there was a dividing wall, so i took that out in order to create transition space between the living room and the master bedroom, and it is a terrific space in the morning and nighttime. sometimes i sleep out here. thanks for stopping into my house today. i hope you enjoyed sharing my home as much as i enjoyed sharing it with you. >> coming up after the break, the conclusion of the jersey high of angela and jay.
morrison and his client, angela yee, and this is a beautiful converted factory space in jersey city. >> this looks crazy. >> wait until you see inside. >> thank you. this is already interesting. >> very interesting. watch this. after you, miss yee. >> wow. >> hardwood floors throughout. >> it is very funky. it is eclectic, not traditional. that is how i view myself. i already feel like this is -- >> good to be calm. >> in jersey city. >> in jersey city. let's check out. let's go. as you can see, there is a
copper and iron railing here. >> i like this space. >> you are going to see the stone staircase, stained concrete floors. >> is this -- >> yes. >> this is crazy. this is a ballroom. >> i will take it. >> contract, please. let me tell you about the kitchen. all granite countertops. another six burner stove. this gives you kind of a trendy feel. a beautiful dining area, and great windows. there is even an elevator shaft that goes up. >> an elevator? >> yes. >> this is like a full-on elevator. >> yes. >> i do not even know what to say.
>> you are sure? angela yee, you are a radio host. >> if i had this house, i would never sell it. >> this is your living room area. >> that makes sense in the living room, and i love this. >> we can make a deal. >> and i love all of the detail, the copper. everything in here is so unique. >> do you want to check this out? >> let me get this for you. your very own pool in jersey city, in an urban area. this is fabulous, and i never used that word. >> wow. >> you would never even think all of this was in the building. >> you have not seen the master bedroom yet. >> is there a waterfall in
there? >> it is my turn to get the door for you. >> thank you. >> a master patio. >> a beautiful bath room. i love this window. i love everything. the color, the decoration. >> wood trim, a tile floor. >> a party shower. >> i will tell you later. >> i want to see the master bedroom. >> gallego. -- let's go. >> it is absolutely stunning. it is beautiful. >> the floors. everything. >> i cannot even tell you what the best part of the house is. i love the pool area. i love the ballroom. >> angela, i am glad you liked everything about the house. >> ok. >> i want you to take a walk
around by yourself, and i will meet you on the very top of the building, the rooftop. >> all right. >> have fun. >> jay? >> miss yee. >> wow, i like this. it is like a music video. someone told you that when you look for a house, it should feel like home to you. >> i did my job? >> you did your job. it is never good bye. you know, we are not that far from brooklyn. i feel we can see it from here. this can work out. if you can make this happen, then i will say yes. >> let's go. you love it. it feels so good.
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from nbc news in washington, the world's longest running television program. this is "meet the press" with david gregory. >> and good sunday morning. a miserable holiday weekend for millions across the country as deadly tornadoes, snow, ice, freezing rain affect much of the u.s. this morning. a lot of people having a hard time getting together with their families for the holidays. here in washington, it's beginning to look a lot like a tropical depression. incredibly warm. temperatures around 70 degrees. that's it for the weather this morning. the top issues we're going to explore. obamacare and the crisis over the government's spine program, but i'm going to start with my roundtable this morning and get some thoughts on a question that was asked the president at the end of the year news conference. was this the worst year of his presidency, 2013? e.j.? >> no, i think 2007 was the
worst year. they had to back off the shutdown. the change in the republican party is the biggest thing this year, and that's why 2014 could be a year of action. >> a breakthrough year, the president says, ana. >> if you're a friend, supporter, secretary, you better hope this is the best year, because if it gets any worse, he'll have to celebrate the new year next year with a bottle of whiskey in one hand and a box of kleenex in the other. >> health care rollout and the government shutdown, the president looked the worst this year. >> this is a test of the government solving a big societal problem. that's what he took on. that is the big project of his presidency. >> no doubt about it. it does beat out 2011.
but -- well, and especially given where he started, the fact that the first year was better than the second, the second more productive. he might do that press conference with whiskey celebrating the fact that the economic boom has really come. >> we'll talk about the economy, we'll talk more about obamacare. i want to bring in two voices in this fight. senator schumer from new york, senator coburn from oklahoma. welco welcome. here was the heading on the wall street journal. obama repeels obamacare. under pressure from senate democrats, the president partly suspends the original mandate. oeb's make it up as he goes improvisation will continue because it's failing. true or false? >> false. i think what most americans want us to do is not repeal obamacare
but fix it. the president is working to fix it, we are working in the senate to fix it, we urge our republican colleagues to join us in fixing it. the bottom line is there are a lot of good things in obamacare that people like, and the more people see that, the more positive it's going to be. and i would just say one other thing with all the focus on obamacare, david. the number one issue in the 2014 election is not going to be obamacare or the deficit. it is going to be who can get the middle class going again? who can expand middle class incomes, who can create jobs? that is far and away the issue that most americans care about. >> fair enough. that's going to be the argument. but senator coburn, you know your colleagues, especially those who are running for tough seats in the south, they're going to make obamacare an issue and they're going to focus on the thought that government seems to make changes to pacify critics. is that the wrong thing to do? >> i think they ought to talk about health care and what we're for rather than continuing to talk about what we're against.
look, obamacare right now causes people to spend more money, have less choice, have a higher deductible and have less freedom. the rollout and the ideas behind the fact that the federal government could manage appropriately, one-sixth of the economy is proving itself erroneous. what i would say is we need to change health care, but what they've done, you can't fix this mess. the insurance industry, the indemnification industry, regardless of what you think about the insurance companies, it is on its ear now. and the fact that they granted people a hard exemption, everybody who signed up that had a high deductible policy should go and cancel today and ask for what is being granted to those people who have it. >> i want to focus on that, senator shchumer, because that' the issue. i'm looking at a mandated delay
for those who lose insurance, you have the small business exchange site delayed a year, a mandate was delayed until 2014. does the original mandate survive? that is the one thing that makes health care go, because you make younger, healthier people buy insurance to pay for older, sicker people. >> i think it does, and let's not forget all the good things that are happening. if you have a child with cancer, you couldn't get insurance because of preexisting condition. what agony. now it is there. ask and if you repeal the original mandate altogether, that would no longer exist. as i said, as we move on here to 2014, i'm finding here in new york, our exchange is working, we have competition on it, the website is good. people are saying, wow, i am getting better care at a lower cost. i think that's going to preface what's happening in the country. there have been a lot of glitches, a lot of problems, but they're getting fixed. and six months from now, many more people will see the
positives rather than the negatives. >> that's the marker. senator coburn, let's talk about a budget deal. a small budget deal that has been passed. a glimmer of hope for bipartisan consensus. but here's the bottom line. they didn't take on the hard stuff. including in 2014, and this smacks us in the face, the debt ceiling. are they going to manage concessions before raising the debt ceiling? >> i guess i can't really speak for republicans. my thoughts are if the american people don't believe we have a debt ceiling because we always increase it, and they don't believe we have the discipline in washington. there is a positive out of what happened last week, is, yeah, we can come together and agree. what, david, i would say to you is the reason we're in trouble on deficits and debts is not because we didn't agree but because we did. we agreed to spend $740 billion we didn't have last year. we agreed to waste $30 billion
as i put out the waste book in year. we agreed to continue to let medicare have $80 billion a year in fraud in it. we're going to have $80 billion a year in fraud in obamacare. we agreed to all those things. so the story coming out of washington that we don't get along, i would dispute that. we get along just fine with the status quo of the government being ineffective and inefficient. so we pass a bill that raises spending and raises taxes and denies what we promised the american people, and everybody says, oh, my goodness, how great. you grew the government some more and you charged us more taxes and you didn't fix any of the problems. >> so senator schumer address the debt ceiling. it hasn't been addressed in this budget deal. do you imagine another fight on this? >> no. i would predict that republicans will back off any hostage taking, adding extraneous, irrelevant issues to the debt ceiling. they learned in october that if they followed the tea party and said we're going to let the
government default unless we get our way, it was highly unpopular. i understand there is some sabre rattling right now by speaker boehner and minority leader mcconnell. and that's natural. they cut a good deal, i thought, on the budget, and they had to show the hard right that they're going to do something else. but at the end of the day, the president is going to hold firm, no negotiations on debt ceiling, republicans will look back to october and say, we're not going through this again. >> so here's a question about holding firm that some of the papers in new york are asking about you, and the topic sigh ran and new sanctions on iran. you and others are pushing for it. the president was asked about it in his press conference and he said, look, don't do it, senator schumer. he didn't call you out by name, but in effect he did. he says he knows it's good politics. that for you in office and running for office, you can look tough on iran. he's basically saying give me room to negotiate with iran and see if i can shut down this nuclear program. back off on sanctions for now.
how do you respond? >> look, there are many of us, democrats and republicans in this senate who believe the best way to avoid war and get around to give up nuclear weapons is by ratcheting up sanctions, not by reducing them. the iranians didn't come to the table out of the goodness of their heart. they're still labeled a supremacist organization, the leader is still pulling the strings. only tough sanctions will get them to give up. i give the president credit for talking. i don't agree with some on the hard line who say no talking until they give up everything. but the bottom line is very simple. it's pretty logical that it's sanctions, tough sanctions, that brought them to the table. if they think they can ease up on the sanctions without getting rid of their nuclear capabilities, they're going to do that. so we have to be tough. and the legislation we put in says to the iranians, if you don't come to an agreement after six months and the president can extend it to a year, the sanctions are going to toughen
up. i think that will make them negotiate better and give up more. >> all right, i'm going to make that the last word. senator schumer and coburn, happy holidays to you both. thank you for your time this morning. >> happy holidays to you and yours. >> as they say goodbye, we'll talk about the improving economy and more about politics. the stock market is at a record high. it's up more than 20% this year. unemployment has dropped to 7%. in the third quarter of this year, the u.s. economy grew at the fastest pace since 2011. why isn't this being vuld ieweda robust recovery? i spoke to the head of the international monetary fund, christine lagarde, about the prospects for 2014 and the political hurdles that lay haed. ms. lagarde, we will tomalcome the press "snoochlt. >> thank you. >> what do you see about the rebound of the u.s. economy at the end of this year? >> we see a lot more certainty for 2014.
there habgos bee has been good n by congress to eliminate the fear about the budget and reduce the sequestration. we see the fed having taken some very well communicated action concerning the tapering of the program, and those are good signs, in addition to which we see some good numbers. growth is picking up and unemployment is going down. so all of that gives us a much stronger outlook for 2014, which brings us to raising our forecast. >> so you talk about the fed tapering. what does that mean, nofor my audience that may not understand? what does that mean and what is the immediate economic effect of it? people may be worrying about what they've been doing, creating a bubble, in effect. >> what the fed has been doing is effectively buying a lot of debt, putting a lot of liquidity into the system, making it more fluid, and effectively keeping
the economy going. that's what the fed has been doing. now, they said they would do that as long as the economy was, you know, low, as long as growth was tepid. the fact that they decided and announced to slow the volume of debt -- reduce the volume of debt that they're buying indicates two things. one is that the economy is picking up. two, the unemployment is going down. >> unemployment is still high in the united states. if you talk to economists or business leaders, they say there's still a lot of the uncertainty. we don't have the animal spirits that have been unleashed, even though the stock market is performing at record levels. why does the economy still seem to be halting in its recovery? >> well, first of all, i would observe that the economy has picked up. we forecast further pickup in 2014. second, most people who invest, who hire will tell you that they are uncertain.
they were uncertain. because seeing a budget deal, seeing tapering by the fed, which is a sign of confidence in the real economy, should lead them to invest, to hire and to be more confident into the future of the u.s. economy. >> how low do you see unemployment going in this country? >> two things. unemployment will continue to go down. it's around 7%. it's likely to move towards, you know, the high 6 but certainly will continue to move down. most importantly, what we need to see is a higher participation rate. participation means the number of people who actually join the job market and get a job. that number has not moved up significantly, and that's the one we will be looking at. are people getting jobs rather than are people receiving unemployment benefits and registering as unemployed? >> do you see the minimum wage fight in this country going anywhere? do you think it has an important
impact on the economy, raising the minimum wage? the president, the pope have talked about income inequality being a huge problem in this country and around the world. >> income inequality around the world is a big issue. we have done some work, and there is a clear indication that rising inequality leads to less sustainable growth. not to mention the fact that the social fabrics of society can be at stake. so reducing inequality, making sure people have a job, making sure that there is growth, that there is adequate redistribution through various systems, is important. >> as you look at the united states and the rest of the world, last time we spoke, you were very concerned about the u.s. flirting with the debt ceiling and with default. we have another deadline approaching in february and march about raising the debt ceiling. has the u.s. reemerged as a global economic leader, or is it
still acting irresponsibly? >> it is the economic leader, let's face it, given the size of the economy and below potential but still reasonable growth that is picking up now. the budget deal that was gotten at year end is a very good sign of responsibility, accountability and realism. i, for myself, certainly hope that in february congress will be equally responsible and will not threaten the recovery with yet another debate about whether or not the u.s. will honor or default in february. >> as a woman in power, you think a lot about these issues, about women in power around the world. a headline here significantly, mary berra now running general motors. perhaps a big deal was it wasn't a big deal that she has come up
through the country. there are still only 5% of ceos in the fortune 500 who are women. but it's not just ceos, there are companies, law firms, large organizations who still fail to recognize the upside potential of women as managers, women as executives, women being powerful as consumers as well as leaders. why do you think that still is, and what breaks that? what changes minds about that? >> why it is, i think it's historically based, it's deeply rooted in certain societies, more so than -- >> the power struggle. >> the power struggle, absolutely. why should i leave my seat to somebody else and particularly somebody of the other gender, is sort of inherent to a tradition that has sustained over time. how can it change? first of all, because women can
demonstrate that they can do the job, whether it's, as you say, first, being great leaders in their respect active ive enviro with a corporate public, there is evidence that women can do the job and do it well. i think the second reason is it makes economic sense. there are countries, particularly advanced countries, like japan, like korea, that need to open up that job market to women, and in the u.s., as in other european countries, the participation of women in the job market, the access for women to credit is going to be c conducive to more growth, more stability. it's a factor to growth to include as many people as possible and to include women. >> there is a lot of focus on hillary clinton running for the
presidency. and there has also been speculation about you. would you seek higher work? >> i don't think about the presidency. i think about the job i'm doing at the moment. i have more years to go, more work to do, and i'm really excited about it. >> you wouldn't rule out the presidency at some time? >> the future will tell. >> thank you very much. that was not a shermanesqu comment, i don't think. coping with loss. my conversation with senator jim inhofe. he speaks for the first time about the tragic loss of his son in a plane crash. >> well, i probably shouldn't say this, but i seem to have gotten more -- at least as many, maybe more, of, oh, communications from some democrat friends and i'm pretty partisan republican. plus, spy games.
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political crisis or some hot issue up there, but this week i was in the senate office building for a very different reason. last month oklahoma senator jim inhofe faced an unspeakable tragedy. his son perry, 52 years old, died in a plane crash. senator inhofe hasn't spoken publicly about it until now. as he prepares to gather with family for the holidays, he wanted to share his story. for senator jim inhofe, politics is his life. but flying is his passion. he got his pilot license as a young man, and around oklahoma, he is known to fly himself to campaign events. that skill, he says, got him into the u.s. senate. >> back in 1994, i was running in a race that i was 32 points behind, but i was everywhere. i would get into one of my planes and i could be from the panhandle down to southeastern oklahoma in a matter of two hours, and it took my opponent about seven hours to do the same
thing. >> reporter: a love passed down to his two sons, perry and jimmy who, every year, made the trip with their father to the famed oshkosh air show. but last month, a family tradition turned tragic. perry inhofe crashed while flying a twin engine plane outside tulsa. he was one day short of his 52nd birthday. >> on final approach into tulsa international airport, runway 18 left. we don't know certain things, an engine that was down, but the last communication was garbled, so we don't know if it shut down or if he shut it down. that would make a difference in what happened. he knew it was going down. he avoided an area with houses and people and went into a wooded area. that's perry. >> he had a lot of training, just like you. >> he had a lot more training than me.
my other son and i are not quite as meticulous as perry has always been about flying by the numbers, doing everything right. he was 100%. >> i have young kids. i've got an 11-year-old and 8-year-old twins, and i think like any parent, you worry about them hurting themselves or, god forbid, them losing their lives. and perry was a grown man with a family of his own, but you have to be thinking like a young father, too, about this is your boy. how are you doing with that? >> it's something that you don't understand until it happens. i can remember so many friends of mine who have lost their kids, and you don't know what to say. you can't say, i know how you feel because you don't know. now i know. and i have no doubt that perry and i are going to be together again. >> you have a strong faith. >> well, it's not just strong faith. it goes beyond just getting back
as far as jesus. some of the listeners out there might want to look up 2nd samuel 1 12:23. this same thing happened to david. he said, i won't be coming back here but i will see you again. and i have no doubt about that. >> and it gives you enormous comfort? >> it does. it makes me kind of look forward to it. >> we talk about washington in terms of losing personal relationships, keeping relationships from getting forged, but when you go through this particular loss, you recognize you have some support around you. talk a little about that. >> well, i probably shouldn't say this, but i seem to have gotten more communications from some of my democrat friends and i'm pretty partisan republican.
something like this happens, and all of a sudden the old barriers that were there, those old differences that keep us apart just disappear. because it's not just a recognition that i know how much more important that is, but they do, too. and they look out and they realize that you've lost someone. and that brings us closer together. >> even your relationship with majority leader harry reid, right? >> yeah. i know we just disagree on all this stuff, this political stuff, but you don't change in terms of your positions and what you believe in, but you change in your understanding of individuals. >> is there some perspective that you gain from this kind of loss, this kind of hurt that makes you think about the approach to your work here in washington? do you think some of what you feel changing around people comforting you through loss is something you can bring to your work?
>> well, it is, except the differences are still there. i mean, right now the last bill of this session is my bill. it's the national defense authorization act. there are people i serve with who don't really think you need a strong military. so those defined differences, they don't change. but your attitude changes. and i can't help but think when i'm confronting someone on something with which we disagree that i know what -- how they responded to my loss. >> and as a grieving father, what's your biggest challenge as you look ahead to the next year? >> you know, when you have, as i described our family as 20 kids and grandkids, counting spouses, you miss one and it's not whole anymore. and so that's still will probably always be a difficult
thing to face up to. it's a reality. and you think about those things that perry did that nobody else does, and that's the thing that, you know, that will be missed. >> senator jim inhofe reflecting about the loss of his son. i have a couple reactions of this with the group that's still here. one, as a person of faith, i'm always impressed by someone, and he wanted to talk about his son because we all seek to elevate loss like this at a time of loss, ask i thougnd i thought h so eloquently. but as a political figure, it's sad it's come to this, that as an element of surprise at a moment like this, that he's surprised his democratic colleagues are there to support him that way. did that strike you? >> this story cut very deep for me. i lost a brother, and i know what he's talking about when he says the family will never be whole again. i just want to take politics out of it, and i want to say that there is a lot of families right
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we are back with our political roundtable here. i want to get back to the big political story, robert gibbs, which is the bosched health c e care rollout. bosched health-care rollout was number one with government shutdown number two. here is the president on friday. listen. >> since i'm in charge, obviously we screwed it up.
i'm going to be making appropriate adjustments once we get through this year, and we've gotten through the initial surge of people who have been signing up. >> what makes you think 2014 looks better on health care? >> well, i think they have no choice but it get it right. i've said this all along, that the most important thing in the second term was implementing health care reform the right way. 2013 was a forgettable year in that sense. they've got to do all they can to make the implementation of and the sign-up period as it goes and extends until the end of march, they've got to make that work. >> listen, there are two issues here. there's first the competency issue. that's by far the most important issue. the least important issue is the mandate issue. basically when you have a government program, you build the system and you say to people, you have to work within the system and sometimes we have to limit your choice. we're going to mandate things. the american people don't like mandates any more. we're a much more
individualistic culture. and when they've faced mandate or surrender on this bill, they've surrendered each time. if we can mandate all along so you have to expect they'll weaken and surrender on the mandate down the line. >> i think there is somhing crazy when people say where government can't deliver health care. ever heardmeev heard of medicai? and there's a man at a time to pay taxes for those things. this thing is complicated because president obama chose to go for a model that is a market-oriented model that republicans favor of helping people buy private health insurance. that proves to be very complicated. but what you're seeing already is there is an enormous appetite among all the americans who don't have health insurance to buy it, and that's what's going to save obamacare. this is filling a real need in the society. and you have to say, they sure lowered expectations for obamacare. >> society is not the same as it
was in the 1930s and the 1960s. there is less faith in government, it's much more consumer based. so if you can't force people in the system and people rebel against enforcement, then you have a problem. >> edward burke believed in less confidence for them to deliver, and they keep backing off of things they say have to be in there. >> i don't know how you can be optimistic about it working better next year when all we see are delays. i've lost track of the delays they've granted. i think one of the bigger problems, and longstanding problems, it has eroded the trust people have in this president. trust is a lot easier to establish than it is to recover once you've lost it. and that's something they'll have to work on. >> every rich democracy in the world uses government to deliver health care.
you had christine lagarde on. france spends less per capita in government spending to cover everybody than we spend for just medicare and medicaid. so this thing can work. it needs fixes, and i think the next move by the president is to tell republicans, you want to fix this or do you just want to get rid of it? >> and know this. if all of these predictions are true and we're at sort of the low point of obamacare, we still don't have a majority of polling the belief we ought to repeal it. they believe we ought to repair it, because as e.j. said, there is tremendous demand for particularly the uninsured or those with preexisting conditions that have always been told no by insurance companies. there is tremendous demand for it. i believe david is right, but one quibble of them is i believe the technical aspect of the website is crucially important because quite frankly it is the intake valve for everything in health care right now. getting that and continuing to get that right is a huge, huge
thing. >> you agree that fixing the website is easier than fixing the policy? the policy is the crux of the matter and you've got problems that are going to continue to happen as the corporate mandate goes in. we're going to start seeing people losing their insurance, and there's going to be a lot of angry people. >> isn't the crux of the matter that people don't like government telling them this is what is best for you, as a business this is how you have to operate. so in our quest to do good -- again, this is the argument -- it's too coercive. >> corporations tell you you're too old for that program or whatever; sorry. >> we have a much more individualistic country. we don't like the government telling us what to do. >> but a lot of people don't want them to repeal obamacare.
a lot of people saying repeal obamacare say it's just fine to have big government for people over 65. i agree you need to prove that government can do this competently. but we've done that on social security, we've done that on medicare, we need to do that on this. >> in spanish there is a famous saying, the cure is worse than the illness. and i'm not sure, i'm afraid that obamacare is very much that. >> the biggest issue -- >> you don't want to debate spanish with me? how do they say it in alabama? >> what they're saying is exactly what e.j. said. you can't go to the doctor, you can't have that surgery, you can't get that covered. the biggest issue for hispanic voters in 2011 wasn't immigration, it was health care. >> and the administration couldn't even get the spanish website going until two months after it launched. >> that's something they
desperately have to fix. >> i want to talk about popular culture having a clash with politics, and by this i mean "duck dynasty." phil robertson and gq magazine got that started. what in your mind is sinful? he says, start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and men. he talks about african-americans having a particular problem where he grew up in the south. and david, you have politicians, conservative ted cruz and others saying the reason he was suspended was political speech run amok, a violation of free speech. what is the debate here? >> i know people who take a more biblical view of homosexuality than i do, but i've never seen
christia christians say what he did was bad. it was a disrespectful way to say a lot of things. >> liberals have been thrown off tv networks for saying bad things, too. i was very touched by one thing he said. he said the world would be different if we all loved each other and loved god. i would love phil robertson, perhaps it would pay another tribute to pope francis, listen to those words when you think about people who are gay or lesbian. we could have a real change in the world. the other thing is i don't know why republicans who are already suffering massive loss of youth voters knowing that they already have most of that audience already. why they're rushing to this defense, i think it's a political error, but i want phil robertson to listen to his own words. >> ana, you just think it's ridiculous that politicians would want to weigh in on this to begin with. >> i think it's ridiculous that
phil robertson wants to weigh in. i'm a fan of the show. i happen to love "duck dynasty," watch it constantly. i don't understand how you go and give this interview and you say these things. yes, there is free speech. but all of us who are on tv know there are also contractual obligations to networks that you're not supposed to say things that embarrass them. >> there is a sense of morality that companies have that you work for in the media and advertisers that are offended. you could argue they're offended by some things and not others. >> and the argument is reality and homosexuality are not equivalent. >> as ana said and as others have said, look, any of us are free on this program to say whatever we want. our employers, whether they are nbc or the "new york times" or a newspaper, might not like how that sounds. they might take action. because they believe both in free speech but they also pay us and others to speak.
so it's a confounding thing and you hope and you wish in the holiday season that there was a whole lot more tolerance in the world. >> we'll come back to this with some of our remaining time. we're going to take a break here, come back and get into other debate over our rights, our personal privacy, whether it's in jeopardy because of government spying. and should president obama weigh in on u.s. intelli (announcer) scottrade knows our clients trade and invest their own way. with scottrade's smart text, i can quickly understand my charts, and spend more time trading. their quick trade bar lets my account follow me online so i can react in real-time. plus, my local scottrade office is there to help. because they know i don't trade like everybody. i trade like me. i'm with scottrade. (announcer) ranked highest in investor satisfaction with self-directed services by j.d. power and associates.
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you know, the future of u.s. spying programs. a presidential task force is now recommending sweeping changes to the way the national security agency gathers intelligence. president obama says he'll decide to any reforms he's for next month. i'm joined now by two out spoken voices on the issue, democratic senator patrick leahy of vermont and republican congressman peter king of new york. he's on the homeland security committee. edward snowden writes this. six months ago i revealed that the nsa wanted to listen to the whole world. now the whole world is listening back and speaking out, too, and the nsa doesn't like what it's hearing. the culture of indiscriminate worldwide experience and the
government is collapsing. is it collapsing? >> there is no agency that is mormon tornado and more watched than the nsa. it's managed by the courts and the justice partment. it's managed by the intelligence committees in the senate and the house. i think it's absolutely indispensable to our national security. the president said it's essential. >> that may be true, what you're saying in terms of oversight, but the american people had no idea what it was doing. you could think that was a good thing, but there was no real debate about this. >> i don't think everyone has to know what a spy agency is doing. by the nature of a spy agency, it's kept secret. >> is snowden right about the fact that this is collapsing? is it going to exist in the future the way it exists now? >> if it doesn't it's going to be calamitous for the country. this is all a debate generated by the hysteria caused by edward snowden, and why we're listening to him is beyond me. >> my sister from kentucky was
here and she says, david, you talk about the founding fathers and the principles of the country, but that's not where the country is. the country wants what peter king was, which is this country to exist. >> that's what kept us strong as a country for over 200 years and the founding fathers would be astounded to see what nsa and others are doing. you know, it's not snowden. in a way he's irrelevant on this. it's a question of how well this has been looked at and how much the american public knows about it. i was heartened by an editorial in the "new york times" today who strongly recommends nsa as republican and the president's panel on this. a very good panel recommends the same thing. >> but the panel wants to allow the bulk collection of our m