♪ [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> announcer: from 30 rockefeller plaza in new york, it's "late night with seth meyers." tonight -- maya rudolph, chat and music from lorde, featuring the 8g band with matt johnson. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, seth meyers. >> seth: good evening. i'm seth meyers. this is "late night." how is everybody doing tonight? [ cheers and applause ] great to hear. in that case, let's get to the news. donald trump jr. has admitted to holding a undisclosed meeting, before the election, with a russian lawyer and a russian lobbyist who reportedly once worked for the kgb. and the hardest part to believe

enough to do that and it wasn't this one. [ laughter and applause ] china reportedly scrubbed the images of winnie the pooh from social media over the weekend, after users compared the character to their president. though it seems like it would be easier to just get their president to put some pants on. [ laughter ] president trump attended the u.s. women's open golf tournament this weekend. so just to be safe, the golfers got changed in their cars. [ laughter ] senate republicans are trying to add a provision to their healthcare bill that would allow companies to offer low cost reduced coverage plans, which critics are calling junk insurance. "i'll take some junk insurance," said dudes who wear really tight biking shorts. [ laughter and applause ] can never -- can never be too safe with

scientists were recently able to create a miniature human heart by injecting human cells into a rat heart. "and i'm feeling so much better now," said the patient. [ laughter and applause ] "i am so -- so happy with my new rat heart. thank you, rat heart." [ light laughter ] and finally, a restaurant here in new york has announced they'll begin hosting weekly "game of thrones" themed dinners. or for the true experience, arby's has offered to straight up kill you. [ laughter and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, we have a great show for you tonight. [ cheers and applause ] from the new "emoji movie," one of our favorites, maya rudolph is back on the show, everybody! how 'bout that? [ cheers and applause ] also, she is here to talk about her incredible new album "melodrama" and is also going to perform for us tonight. lorde is here, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] but -- so you're here on a great night. but before we get to that, amid the bombshell revelations about do

russians, the president's approval rating has hit a record low, and in their desperation, trump and his allies are resorting to increasingly absurd excuses for their behavior. for more on this, it's time for "a closer look." ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: the unraveling of trump's white house has been a drag on his popularity, but he isn't just embarrassing himself at home, he's embarrassing himself abroad too. trump, famous for his ability to ruin any handshake, took it to a new level during a brief trip to france on friday, with a bizarre three-way handshake with the president and first lady of france. watch how long this handshake is. and while you do, i am going to read a book. [ light laughter ] ♪ ♪

[ laughter ] >> seth: and peace. [ cheers and applause ] that -- that handshake was like watching a bunch of virgins at an orgy. [ laughter ] okay, i guess i'll put this here and then you grab that over there, and i have no idea where this goes. [ light laughter ] but things aren't all bad for trump. today he indulged in one of his favorite pastimes, pretending to drive big trucks. when he climbed into the driver's seat of a fire truck during an event outside the white house.

[ light laughter ] >> seth: look how happy he is! [ laughter ] trump treats driving a truck the same way he treats being president, he just wants to make-believe. he doesn't actually want to do the job. if trump was actually a firefighter, he'd show up to a burning building, shout fake news, and head to the nearest driving range. [ light laughter ] also, if you look into the side view mirror of the fire truck, you can see sean spicer taking trump's photo while trump sits in then front seat. [ laughter ] sean spicer -- [ applause ] at this point sean spicer is just an exhausted dad trying to keep up with his frenetic toddler. "okay, buddy, now just sit still for a sec. let's get this for mom, and then i promise you can have a cookie afterwards." [ light laughter ] and trump's day of pretending to do jobs, other than president, didn't stop there. because during a made in america event at the white house, he tried on a cowboy hat and posed for the cameras. first he pretends to be a firefighter and then he dresses up as a cowboy. is trump trying to be all of the village people before the end of his term?

[ laughter and applause ] now, with the darkening cloud of the russian investigation hanging over his white house, trump has tried to jump-start a few of the signature items on his agenda. like, for example, the border wall. as the trump jr. story was unfolding last week, trump spoke to reporters on air force one, and insisted the wall would get done. although it doesn't exactly sound like the wall trump originally promised his supporters. because now, he's saying the wall might literally be see-through. telling reporters last week, "one of the things with the wall is you need transparency. you have to be able to see through it. you have to have openings, because you have to see what's on the other side of the wall. [ light laughter ] as horrible as it sounds when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don't see them, they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff. it's over. [ laughter ] as crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall." so, wait a minute. trump thinks drug dealers are going to walk up to the border wall, with a 60 pound bag of drugs, and then chuck it over to another drug dealer?

it's official, donald trump thinks in cartoons. [ laughter ] he probably wouldn't know a bank robbery was happening if the robber wasn't tiptoeing and carrying a bag with a dollar sign on it. "i always know when i have a good idea, because the light bulb appears in my head bubble." [ laughter ] meanwhile, the russia scandal's engulfed the white house, after last weeks bombshell revelation that trump's son, donald trump jr., met with a woman described as a russian government attorney, promising dirt on hillary clinton as part of russia and its government support for mr. trump. one trump ally called it a "category five hurricane," and a white house official said, "this is 'sum of all fears' stuff. what we've all been dreading." maybe you've been dreading it, but the rest of us have been waiting for it like the new season of "game of thrones." [ cheers and applause ] and one way -- you can really tell it was a category five hurricane, is that don jr. kept lying, and changing his stories. his detail about the meeting slowly emerged over the course of several days.

to do with the campaign, it was just a short introductory meeting about the adoption of russian children." the next day he admitted the lawyer promised dirt on hillary, but said her statements were vague, ambiguous, and made no sense. the day after that, he said the meeting was normal opposition research that went nowhere, but had to listen. and then finally, after releasing all the emails, he insisted the meeting was fine, because it occurred before the current russian fever was in vogue. okay, first of all, "in vogue?" it's a criminal conspiracy to meddle in an election, not a romphim. ah, take it down! take it down. [ laughter ] second, he changed his story four times in four days. that's like if your wife asked "where were you last night?" and you said, "i was at work. i mean, i was working, at a co-worker's house. at a friend's house, at a female friend's house, in a female friend's bed, but nothing came of it!" [ laughter ] so don jr. changed his story repeatedly, but when he went on fox news last week to try and clear the air, he insisted that he was being forthright about the meeting, and nothing else would come out. >> as far as thici

>> this is everything. this is everything. >> seth: great. so, he may have changed his story four times in four days, but now everything's out there, and there are no more undisclosed details. got it? this has been "a closer" -- what! >> we begin with breaking news surrounding a secret meeting last summer between trump campaign officials and a russian lawyer. >> we have to revisit the number of people thought to be at that donald trump jr. meeting with a russian lawyer, because that number has changed again. >> brand new today, a russian american lobbyist who served as a -- in a spy unit of the soviet military. he was there, too. nobody mentioned that. [ laughter ] >> seth: you know, at this rate, i wouldn't be surprised if we found out that putin himself was at this meeting. [ light laughter ] now that i think about it, i did see a guy on a horse peeking out from the white board. [ laughter ] at this point, the only member of the trump team who i'm sure didn't meet with the russians, was eric. "jared, meet with the russian ambassador. don jr., talk to the russian lawyer. and eric, get back under the stairs!"

[ laughter ] "i want to collude, father!" so now, because of these changing stories and constant lies, lawmakers are preparing to escalate the russian investigation to begin exploring potential law breaking, and interview the participants under oath to prevent them from changing their stories again. as senator sheldon whitehouse explained. >> if there's been a legal violation here, and this is very strong indications that there has, then you're dealing with things like indictments and the house potentially beginning impeachment proceedings, and -- people having to start talking under oath instead of just, you know, talking out into the airwaves, where they lie as easily as they breathe. >> seth: i don't think trump lies as easily as he breathes, i think lying is his breathing. inhale oxygen. exhale "1.5 million people came to my inauguration." [ laughter ] trump lies like a whale coming up for air. >> i'm like a smart person.

[ laughter and applause ] >> seth: so now -- so now with the stakes getting higher, the attempted explanations coming from trump's team, for don jr.'s meeting with the russians are once again changing and getting increasingly ridiculous. remember, trump and his team argued for months that there was absolutely no contact, let alone collusion with russian agents. but now that the don jr. email is out, they've shifted to a new story, that if there was collusion, it was totally fine. in fact, today, trump himself tweeted, "most politicians would have gone to a meeting like the one don jr. attended, in order to get info on an opponent. that's politics." no, it's not. politics is running attack ads, and kissing babies, and going down on a corn dog at the iowa state fair. [ laughter ] rick perry, everybody. just because something is political, doesn't mean it's just politics. if john wilkes booth had shot lincoln and then went, "hey, that's politics," they still would've arrested him.

but trump might be getting his cues from his allies on fox news, who have spent the last few days making a similar argument. like one of trump's favorite hosts, jeanine pirro, who said this on saturday. >> as someone who's run for office five times, if the devil called me and said he wanted to set up a meeting to give me opposition research on my opponent, i'd be on the first trolley to hell to get it. >> seth: why do trump supporters go out of their way to make themselves sound as nefarious as possible? [ laughter ] "i wasn't looking for dirt on my opponent, but when lord lucifer called i happily traded him my soul and my human voice for the one he gave me now." [ laughter and applause ] but one of the most absurd excuses came from a member of the trump's legal team, jay sekulow. who went on the sunday shows yesterday, and argued that it was actually the secret service's fault for letting the

first place. >> well, i've wonder why they -- the secret service, if this was nefarious, why'd the secret service allow these people in? the president had secret service protection at that point. that raised a question with me. >> seth: yes, i was speeding officer, but maybe ask toyota why they sold me a car that goes 90 miles per hour. [ laughter ] also, as the secret service itself pointed out yesterday, donald trump jr. was not under secret service protection in june 2016. only trump himself had that protection, and his team claims trump didn't know about the meeting. so wait, did trump's own lawyer just accidentally admit that trump did know about the meeting, by implying the secret service would have vetted it? i'd say that's not possible, but it's important to remember the golden rule of the trump era, nothing is too stupid to be true. [ light laughter ] the trump team is going to start putting that on inspirational posters. [ light laughter ] so the trump team has tried blaming it on secret service and claiming it's just normal politics. and if those arguments sound unconvincing to you, that may be why fox news host eric bolling went back to an old standby,

it's all hillary's fault. on friday, he tried to argue that the don jr. meeting proves that it was actually hillary, who was colluding with the russians, by tying the russian lawyer in the meeting to a democratic research firm called fusion gps. >> fusion gps is the group you're talking about. >> right. >> it's somehow connected through one of these -- one of these people who are at the meeting. not sure which one. one of 'em, some italian. connected to fusion gps, who also was connected, fusion gps, to the opposition research. the russian dossier -- completely correct -- christopher steele, the british operative, who put together this russian dossier, somehow got payment from fusion gps. so, instead of pointing the finger at donald trump jr. and saying maybe he's colluding. mo, big word. colluding with the russians, maybe the russians were colluding with hillary clinton to get information on donald trump. >> seth: what? [ laughter ] have you been near the mexican border recently? because you sound like you got hit in the head with a big bag of drugs. [ ht

but of course, don jr's not the only member of the trump team who's been been implicated in this latest bombshell. trump's son-in-law and advisor, jared kushner, as well as campaign chairman, paul manafort, were both copied on the email and attended the meeting. so what's their excuse? they both claim they didn't read the email. kushner claims that he did not scan to the bottom of the email thread, forwarded by his brother-in-law, therefore completely missing the part about russia and it's government. and a source close to manafort told "politico" on tuesday, that the campaign chairman hadn't read all the way to the bottom of the email exchanges on his phone. and i might have believe that, except for the fact that the subject line of this email was literally "regarding russia -- clinton -- private and confidential." [ laughter ] there's no way you didn't read an email with that subject line. that's like not reading the last line of a dirty limerick. let's see, the guy's from nantucket, ah, that's probably the main take away. [ light laughter ] now, this latest revelation has major implications for both manafort and kushner. but kushner especially, is vulnerable to legal repercussions because he

this and other meetings with russians on his security clearance forms. so, how does kushner, the white house aide supposedly in charge of middle east peace for the trump white house explain the omission. according to yahoo news, his lawyers have said that a member of his staff had prematurely hit the send button for the form before it was completed. so, he doesn't read emails to the end, and sends documents before they're completed. he seems on top of it. [ light laughter ] at least he's only in charge of u.s.-china relations, u.s.-mexico relations, criminal justice reform, opioid crisis management, the white house office of american innovation, and middle east peace. how's peace in the middle east going jared? "i'm working on an email right now -- oh, no! i hit send! oh, no. please, please don't read to the end!" this has been "a close look." [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> seth: we'll be right back with maya rudolph, everybody! [ cheers and applause ] ♪

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thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. >> seth: our first guest tonight is an emmy-nominated actress and comedian. you know her from her work on "saturday night live", and films such as "bridesmaids" and "sisters." she stars in "the emoji movie", which is in theaters july 28th. let's take a look. >> so, how'd it go gabble? >> hey light bulb, tell me what's going on in there? what? who? what is it? tell me true, what happened? >> i know it was an accident. we all have accidents. >> you're so soft, poop. >> not too soft, i hope. >> jean. we were just going to go looking for you. why don't you come inside the board room and we can have a teeny-weeny chat? >> seth: please welcome back to the show, our very good friend, maya rudolph, everybody! [ cheers and applause ] ♪

♪ >> seth: woo! >> woo! >> seth: i'm always -- it's so great to see you. i'm so happy to have you here. >> i'm so happy to see you. always. um, i wish i saw you more. i have to come to new york sometimes to see, which is a drag. but this is our meeting place. >> seth: this is our meeting place. old friends. >> this is our new meeting spot. >> seth: and so you -- you're smiler. that's your -- that's you playing emoji. >> yeah, i'm like a really intense office manager. >> seth: now did you -- how did you get into character for smiler, the emoji? >> that's a great question, seth. >> seth: thank you. [ laughter ] >> i work really hard at smiling a lot. >> seth: did you actually smile while you were talking? >> i actually did have to. that's not -- that's not a lie.

for me. >> seth: smiling is hard for you or talking while you're smiling? >> talking through smiling is intense, because there's a lot of -- i guess i'm a real downer when i talk. i guess i kind of talk like this. >> seth: yeah, that. that sounds like the maya i know. >> that's what sounds like me, right? >> seth: yeah, that's you. >> what are you doing? >> seth: yeah. that's the maya i know. >> it's like eeyore. like when you talk to me, it's like you're talking to eeyore, right? >> seth: yeah. >> that makes sense. but smiler is like -- is more like the muscles are activated up here. and i'm just not that kind of person. >> seth: no, that is a very unnatural thing. >> that looks horrible. that looks terrifying. which is actually good, 'cause she's a little terrifying. >> seth: yeah.÷ but have you -- does it -- so the muscles. would you do an hour at a time, two hours at a time? >> yeah, you gotta take breaks. you gotta drink a lot of water. you gotta sometimes like stretch. >> seth: okay, interesting. [ laughter ] stretch this part or the whole rep. >> just this part. >> seth: just those, yeah. >> just these muscles. >> seth: yeah. would you just like, rest one on the side of the table? >> yeah, you rest one on the

>> and then you do like a push-up. >> seth: got me, yeah that makes sense. [ laughter ] >> it feels really good. >> seth: you have -- you have four children. >> yes. >> seth: are your children going to see "the emoji movie"? >> oh, they're pretty stoked. >> seth: okay, got you. >> like, my 3-year-old obviously doesn't have a phone, because that would make me a monster. >> seth: yeah. >> but she knows what emojis -- everybody knows what emojis are. today is world emoji day. >> seth: today is world emoji day? >> today is the day, guys. >> seth: wow, amazing. >> yeah. [ light applause ] >> seth: was that the thing before the movie? >> no. >> seth: okay. [ light laughter ] >> yeah. so it was kind of like a nice little tie-in. >> they were like, "we've got an idea, let's capitalize on this." >> seth: have your kids seen your films? >> they have, but i'll be honest like i'm a little old-fashioned. like pearl is now 11, she's my oldest. and she complains all the time that all of her friends have seen "bridesmaids" except for her. but i feel like, you know, there's some like racy -- it's

language. there's a little bit -- like maybe the first scene is a little racy. >> seth: yeah. >> well like, she knows what pooping is, which is fine. but i have to say now -- >> seth: i will say, you can know what pooping is, and still, if you were her mom it would be very traumatic to see how you poop in that movie? [ laughter ] >> it might be. you might be right. i feel like i'm making a smart choice. but then the system failed because then we thought it would be a good idea to show them "austin powers" 1 and 2. >> seth: uh-huh. >> so i was like hanging out with the kids. everyone's like, "oh, no." but, like, we were hanging out and someone was talking and pearl just like brought up a penis pump. i was like, "how do you know what a penis pump is?" she was like, "austin powers!" [ laughter ] >> good job, mom. >> seth: yeah, that's not a kid's movie. >> nope. >> your 3-year-old -- ours is coming up on two. is it a cute age, three? do you like -- very verbal? >> oh my god, they're so -- are you getting the cute verbals? >> seth: we're getting a little. the beginnings of words, yes. >> does he have like words that you can't stop making him say? >> seth: no. it's more like everything is "that." he's just constantly "da!" "da!"

guide. [ laughter ] in a minute he wakes up, you'd say, "how are you?" he goes, "da!" "da!" you're like, okay, let's just get on with it. >> it's only going to get better from here on out. we had -- like i said, pearl is now 11. she's my oldest. but for years, she called -- we used to go to my dad's house and get in the jacuzzi and she calls it "cachuzzi." and so like, to this day i'm like, "let's get in the cachuzzi." and she'll be like, "mom, it's a jacuzzi." [ laughter ] no, it's not. >> seth: oh, so you don't want to give up the baby words. >> i don't want to give it up. >> seth: see, this is an interesting argument my wife and i are having, because my family did not give up the baby words. we just kept them. so, to this day, i and my brother call breakfast, "breffix." and so when i say it to ashe, my wife is pointing out, "no, you can't teach him the baby word." that he has to teach us the baby words. we can't -- >> you're like, "that does not compute." >> seth: and my thing was, maybe if we use "breffix", his baby word for it will be breakfast. [ laughter ] >> that is so damn adorable.

>> seth: breffix. >> you say "breffix"? >> seth: breffix. b-r-e-f-f-i-x. >> were you from the south side of chicago? >> seth: yeah. breffix. we're gonna go out and get some breffix. >> where my breffix? >> seth: um, you have a wonderful melania trump impression. but you have a take on ivanka trump. >> well, i've been noticing actually, our good friend, amy poehler was the one that pointed it out to me lately. she sent -- like one of her many interviews where she was talking about something. oh, it was when she wasn't involved in -- she doesn't get involved in politics. 'cause that makes sense. >> seth: yeah, she's not involved in politics. >> no, well they're politics. 'cause that makes sense too. >> both: like you're an advisor to a president. >> seth: but not into politics. >> we get it. we get it. but she pointed out, she was like, "there's a lot of whispering going on." and so i noticed like, she was like through her teeth. but she like kind of talks like she has like a sexy secret. [ laughter ] she's like always talking, like she works in a lingerie store a little bit. [ laughter ]

like, if you want to get the matching panties, you can get them, but they're $14.95. [ laughter ] also don't quote stuff that's real, because that just makes you look really stupid. [ light laughter ] and then everything was like a grin. like i'm sorry, do you have a sexy secret? >> seth: it's fun to have someone around who has a sexy -- >> it's fun to have a sexy secret. >> seth: you know what else is fun? wigs. >> oh, god. >> seth: so, you when you met with lorne michaels. >> yeah. >> seth: this is your meeting like basically -- he's seen your audition, he's liked your audition, and he brings you in to kind of get a sense of you. >> it was the world's worst job interview i've ever had in my life. >> seth: yeah. >> like on my death bed, i'm gonna be like, "i remember that, it was so bad." but i was sitting in lorne's office and he actually asked me a question, "why do you think you should work here?" and i said, "because i like wearing wigs." >> seth: and that was it though? >> good one, maya. and that got me the job. >> seth: this actually brings us to a new segment o

and we're really only probably ever going to do it with you. [ light laughter ] please welcome the basket of wigs. [ cheers and applause ] >> yes! yes! [ applause ] >> seth: so we had a friend, dear friend of ours, james anderson, a writer on "snl." he always had a basket of wigs in his office. >> god bless always. >> seth: and what would happen, you're just gonna grab a wig at random. you can grab glasses here if you want. >> thank you. >> seth: and you're just gonna let it just create a character. >> by the way, this is something that would have happened without an audience in james' office. >> seth: oh, yeah. >> all right, i'm gonna go through the basket of wigs. well, i guess i'll start at the top. here we go. that makes sense. >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] >> it also looks like one of those -- this looks like one of those things you get in a baseball game that's like the player's hair on top of your hair. maybe that makes more sense. seth, where's my breffix? [ laughter ] >> seth: you need your glasses? they're right in front of you. >> oh, thank goodness. [ light laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] i'

why won't you feed me my breffix? >> seth: grandma, your breffix has been out all morning. it's the eggs that you asked for. >> i can't remember a thing. >> seth: okay, that's great. i like that. >> wow, this game is sending me to wig heaven. [ applause ] i want you to pick one now. >> seth: all right, i'm going to pick one. i'm gonna do this. there. no glasses. >> i can't wait to see, like, hugh jackman do this when he comes. and all the trumps. >> seth: where's my breffix. >> um, guys, i just need to tell you something. someone threw up in the hallway. [ laughter ] there's a lot of vomit in the hallway. and i'm not cleaning it up. so whoever's responsible, is going to have to go home. >> seth: that's great. >> thank you. >> seth: i really like that. [ applause ] very -- >> wow. sadly, i feel like i've worn this wig before. yeah, fi

i keep trying to check out the monitor like it's a mirror. ♪ ba-ba ba baby don't forget my number ♪ nobody remembers milly vanilly? just me? [ cheers and applause ] ♪ basket of wigs ♪ basket of wigs ♪ coming to you live from seth meyers ♪ wow! [ laughter ] >> seth: first date. first date. >> um, i just want to be clear on your tinder, it said you like breath mints, but you don't like to eat them. >> seth: i like to keep them in my mouth until they dissolve. [ laughter ] >> joshua, that's the most fascinating thing about you. >> seth: and is it true that you're a model for the people who make mannequins?

>> yes. they use my body as the shape, and my face for the inspiration. [ laughter ] >> seth: basket of wigs, everyone! [ cheers and applause ] maya rudolph, everybody. "the emoji movie", in theaters july 28th. we'll be right back with more "late night"! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ basket of wigs ♪

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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: our next guest is a grammy award-winning artist and incredibly talented musician whose sophomore record, "melodrama", is available now. please welcome to the show lorde, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> seth: how are you? >> i'm very well, how are you? >> seth: it's so great to see you again, i'm so happy to have you here. i'm also very happy because we've only met once before, and i feel like we met at a very cool place.

>> seth: yes. okay, good. >> we were distinctly not cool. >> seth: we distinctly did not fit in. we were at a kanye west fashion show. [ light laughter ] >> we were. and it was like a very fancy backstage. >> seth: yeah. >> drake was back there. >> seth: yep. >> which always, you know, makes for a fancy room. >> seth: yeah. >> and you and i were just like, "what are we doing here? we've made a huge mistake." >> seth: yeah. it was like -- i felt that i was so uncool as to be almost invisible. >> yeah. >> seth: like somebody came by with champagne and i reached out, and the glasses just like went through my hand. [ light laughter ] >> i mean, i too -- it wasn't our greatest day. >> seth: well, it's nice to see you here, where we can hopefully be a little bit more comfortable than then. congrats on this album. what i heard is wonderful. this is your second album. and did you feel, because of the success of the first album -- did you feel a pressure to get this right? or do you just wait for the songs to come to you? >> i mean, i definitely felt a pressure like for it not to suck. because they

people would have been really bummed out by that. and also just like, i really like making records that i love and that i'm really proud of. so, it did take a while, but i knew i couldn't kind of -- you know, follow up what happened in the same way. so i would just try and do it in a different good way. >> seth: how much time after the first album did -- was your mind opened to sort of new material? did you give yourself time to just sort of be in that moment, or did you kind of not decide when you sort of have new inspiration for music? >> yeah, you kind of don't get to decide. the universe is like -- yes, no, maybe? but we finished writing in like, only in like, february of this year or something, so -- >> seth: and you work with jack antonoff, who is a fantastic musician and a wonderful guy. and so, how did you know him beforehand? because i would imagine a producer when -- you know, a unique voice, it's a very important decision to make as to far as who you work with. >> it is, and i'm a producer as well so, you know, that's definitely a consideration when

no, jack is amazing. we actually met, i met lena before i met him and then, i met him a couple of times. and then i kind of just walked into the studio with him and we both knew that like, we we're gonna leave that studio for two years. like, he's an amazing person. he's so truly strange and he's like my sibling now. >> seth: that's great. and then do you -- when you have disagreements with someone you're that close with, what happens? >> i mean, i think we're pretty good at this point at like kind of talking it out. he's like my work husband. >> seth: that's good. >> lena will like, pop down the hole and be like, "how are you guys doing?" we're like, "good." but no, i mean, we would like -- we would share food. there's this thing called a protein box from starbucks. do you know about this? >> seth: i don't know the protein box. >> you probably don't, because you're quite fancy, but -- >> seth: okay. [ light laughter ] >> it's like a hard boiled egg, and two pieces of cheese and some grapes. >> seth: oh yeah, no. i have a hard boiled egg, three pieces of cheese. >> yeah, right, right, right. [ light laughter ] so we would eat like half of the protein bar. >> seth: yeah. i'm a little fancier than two pieces. yeah. [ light laught

>> so we'd go halves and that would sort of help us -- >> seth: okay, gotcha. well, that's good. as long as you're getting your protein. because i will say, i listen to the songs and you can really hear the protein. [ laughter ] >> yeah, good. that's what i was -- >> seth: you, in the notes, you thanked the new york city subway. i have never in my time here heard anyone say, "thank you, subway." [ laughter ] so what was it about the new york city subway that you felt in debt to? >> well, i mean -- okay, and here's -- i feel like i need to disclaim by, you know, i understand if you've lived here for a long time, you caught the subway 5,000 times, you would hate it. >> seth: yeah. >> for me, it still has a bit of romance. even though i did get stuck on it for four hours. >> seth: oh, you were on the train that got stuck for four hours? >> yes, i was. yes, i was. >> seth: oh my goodness, that sounded really awful. >> sitting on the floor for four hours. >> seth: wow. and when you're sitting on the floor for four hours, does anyone notice that lorde is on the train? >> i don't know if they noticed. all i could think about was that i had a little oatmeal sachet in my bag and i was like, if anyone finds out, this is gonna be like prized commodity. [ laughter ] like, it's gonna be like "lost." this will be my family now. >> seth: yea

>> seth: that's good. see, i would have immediately thought, oh what can i barter with my oatmeal? like can get off people? >> what can you barter down there, though? like, more food? >> seth: i would just try to -- i would just raise the price. i would be like, this usually is a dollar but now it's $150. >> give me your seat. [ light laughter ] you sit on the floor, give me the seat. >> seth: exactly. >> no, but i love the subway. i feel like it was really nice riding this frequently. i would kind of sit there and listen to the work and it helped me be around people. you know, because when you're working in a studio you're very isolated and kind of just hang out with a couple of people. so i feel like it sort of reintroduced me into society. and people would be very sweet, they'd kind of -- you know, someone would be like -- and sort of do a little look and i'd be like -- [ laughter ] >> seth: so i was reading an article where you were talking -- and has this been your whole life? this -- the way you see colors? >> oh, yes. >> seth: well, i guess -- what is it? it's not that you hear -- explain it for me. >> okay, so it's called synesthesia and basically it's like when the senses overlap in some way. so for me, music and words kind

of have colors and textures and forms. and it's like this weird abstract thing, but making music is a really visual process for me. >> seth: and so then, is that how -- do you describe your music in colors? like if you were talking to jack, do you say like this is a little too -- >> yeah, i try hard to keep the color things away from like synesthesia muggles, because they feel like it's super annoying. [ light laughter ] i would definitely like -- i would kind of -- i would slip and be like, it just doesn't look very nice. and he would be like, "what do you want me to do with that information?" like, there's nothing there. >> seth: what would you say are the colors of this album? >> oh, well. they are the colors of the -- a lot of the colors in the actual cover painting itself, so violets and blues. >> seth: the cover is beautiful. and after i read that i sort of looked at the album art and having listened to some of the songs, i had a real understanding. again, and i'm a muggle, i'll admit. [ laughter ] it did make total sense to me.

so i will say, you really nailed it if those were the colors you were looking for. >> thank you. >> seth: and i'm just so happy to have you here and thank you so much for singing a song off the album. we can't wait. >> oh my goodness, thank you. what a pleasure for me. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: give it up for lorde, everybody. for dates and information on the current world tour melodrama, check out her website. we'll be right back with a performance from lorde. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ andre is an air traffic controller. when it comes to planning the best routes, nobody does it better. he's also a championship-winning football coach. look at that formation. but when it comes to mortgages, he's less confident. fortunately for andre, there's rocket mortgage by quicken loans. it's simple, so he can understand the details and be sure he's getting the right mortgage. apply simply. understand fully. mortgage confidently. doto be our next spokesperson?m

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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: back to perform her song "perfect places", give it up for lorde, everybody! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪ every night i live and die feel the party to my bones watch the wasters blow the speakers ♪ ♪ spill my guts beneath the outdoor light it's just another graceless night ♪ ♪ i hate the headlines and the weather i'm nineteen and i'm on fire ♪ ♪ but when we're dancing i'm all right

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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: my thanks to maya rudolph, lorde, matt johnson, and of course, the 8g band. stay tuned for carson daly. we'll see you tomorrow, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> carson: hey, everybody. what's happening? carson daly here and you're tuned in. it's the "last call." coming up tonight, wrestling star turned best selling author, aj mendez brooks will be the