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captioning funded by cbs and ford-- built for the road ahead. >> thanks, thanks, thanks to the stupid regime. >> smith: go wael ghonim was one of the leaders of the overthrow movement. hosni mubarak used social media, argue newsing protests and marchs from his living room and laptop. so if you're an autogrant or you're a dictator and you watch what happened in egypt over the
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last several weeks... >> you should freak out. you seriously should freak out. >> simon: it may be the greatest rescue operation since noah's arc. a billion people watched as 33 chilean miners trapped for 69 days half a mile underground stepped from darkness into light. if ever there was a story with happy ending, this was it. or so it seemed at the time. but now, four months later, something has changed, which you might not have expected. for example, we found alex vega building a wall around his house, though he couldn't explain why. >> cooper: this is from the new album? >> yeah. >> cooper: lady gaga is the most talked-about entertainer in
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the world. ♪ baby there's no other this evening at the grammys, she's not only a headline performer, she's been nominated for six awards. tonight find out why she calls herself a master of the art of fame. what are you wearing today? >> i just didn't want to wear clothes today for whatever reason. i just didn't. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm lesley stahl. >> i'm bob simon. >> i'm morley safer. >> i'm anderson cooper. >> i'm scott pelley. those stories and andy rooney tonight on "60 minutes." if yol
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>> pelley: tonight, for the first time in more than two weeks, traffic is flowing through cairo's tahrir square. in egypt, businesses are open, university classes are back in session, and a new military government rules with popular support and a promise of coming democracy. egypt is an ancient civilization with a youthful population; nearly two-thirds of them are 30 years old or under. many of them are educated but unemployed and angry. their 18-day revolution began not with terrorism and tanks, but with twitter and texts and satellite tv broadcasts. this week, an aging autocrat who ruled as a modern pharaoh fell victim to those weapons of the young, out-organized and out- maneuvered by social media, by kids with keyboards. in cairo, cbs news correspondent harry smith had a chance to talk with the man who emerged as the symbol of the leaderless
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rebellion: google executive wael ghonim, who was jailed for his internet organizing, gave a live interview on satellite tv following his release, and he galvanized the movement. though he was at the center of the new age revolution, he has no ambition for leadership nor any way of knowing what comes next. >> wael ghonim: the regime was extremely stupid. they have... they are the ones who... you know, who basically ended themselves. they kept oppressing and oppressing and oppressing and oppressing. right after i came out of jail, i wrote a status message that we are going to win because we don't understand politics, because we don't understand their nasty games. we're going to win because our tears comes from our hearts. we're going to win because we have a dream. we're going to win because we're convinced that if anyone stands up in front of our dream, we're ready to die defending it. >> smith: two and a half weeks ago, when this started, did you anticipate this outcome?
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>> ghonim: when i went on the streets on... on tuesday, on the 25th, i was like, "whoa, it's going to happen," because the only barrier to people uprising and revolution is the psychological barrier of fear. all these regimes rely on fear. they want everyone to be scared. if you manage to break the psychological barrier, you're going to definitely be able to do the revolution. ( chanting ) >> smith: that wall of fear fell in the last few weeks, as hundreds of thousands of egyptians defied their government and demanded change. helping to lead the charge: 30- year-old wael ghonim, google's regional marketing manager for the middle east, who, in his spare time, created a facebook page posting information about the brutality of egyptian police. he was especially angered by the killing of a 28-year-old internet activist, beaten to death after trying to expose police corruption.
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how important is his story in what happened here in the last three weeks? >> ghonim: by the way, his name is khalid sayid-- name translated in english into "eternal happiness." his photo, after being killed by those police officers, made all of us cry, made all of us, you know, because he... he's coming from middle class. i personally connected to him. i thought, "this could be my brother," you know? like... and... and i know the police in egypt. you know, they... they used to act like they controlled the world. you know, they'd beat you up. you are... you are someone basically who have no rights. so when he died, i personally got... got deeply hurt. i decided to start fighting this regime. >> smith: the facebook page was called "we are all khalid called "we are all khalid said." soon, hundreds, then thousands of others began sharing photos and video of abuse and mistreatment. within months, the number of followers on facebook grew to half a million.
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and when he and other organizers posted the dates and locations of protests, people started showing up and posting internet videos like this one. many of the organizers never met in person. their primary interaction was online. if there's no social network, does this... does this revolution happen? >> ghonim: if there was no social networks, it would have never been sparked. because the whole thing before the revolution was the most critical thing. without facebook, without twitter, without google, without youtube, this would have never happened. >> smith: if you want to have a free country, if you want democracy, then... then the internet is great and all this information can be shared. but isn't just the opposite then true? if i want to continue to suppress people, the last thing i'm going to give them is access to the internet. >> ghonim: block the whole
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internet, you're going to really frustrate people. one of the... one of the strategic mistakes of this regime was blocking facebook. one of the reasons why they are no longer in power now is that they blocked facebook. why? because they have told four million people that they are scared like hell from the revolution by blocking facebook. they forced everyone who's just, you know, waiting to read the news on facebook, they forced them to go to the street to be part of this. so, really, like, if i want to thank one... thank anyone for all the... for all of this, i would thank our stupid regime. >> smith: three days after the protests began in tahrir square, wael ghonim disappeared. his friends and family feared he'd been kidnapped or even killed. egyptian authorities had arrested him. for 12 days, he was blindfolded, handcuffed and constantly interrogated. did they hit you? >> ghonim: yeah, but... but it was not systematic. like, it was... it was... in... individual-based, like... and it
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was not from the officers. it was actually from the... from the soldiers. like... and i forgive them, i have to say. i forgive them, because one thing is that they are convinced that... they were convinced that i was harming the country. these are simple people, not educated. i cannot carry a conversation with them. so, you know, for him, i'm sort of like a traitor. i'm... i'm destabilizing the country. so when he hits me, he doesn't hit me because, you know, he's phy... he... he's... you know, he's a bad guy. he's hitting me because he thinks he's a good guy. i... i'll tell you a funny story. at the end of the... the last day, you know, i removed my... >> smith: blindfold. >> ghonim: blindfold. and i said, "hi," and kissed every one of them, all of the soldiers. and, you know, it was... it was good. i was sending them a message. >> smith: why do you think they let you go? >> ghonim: pressure. ask obama. probably. ( laughter ) there were a lot of factors to it. one is google. google did a lot of work to get me out.
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they did a lot... massive p.r. campaign. >> smith: after wael was released, he appeared on a popular egyptian television program, talking about those who had been killed in the protests. the next day, the crowds in tahrir square grew even larger. their demands would not be denied. and friday, 18 days after the protest started, mubarak resigned. president obama came out several times during the revolution, had things to say. did it help? did it hurt? >> ghonim: you know, it was good that he supports the revolution. that's... that's a good stand. but we don't really need him, and i don't think that... i wrote a tweet. i wrote, "dear western governments, you have been... you have been wa... you know, you have been supporting the regime that was oppressing us for 30 years. please don't get involved now. we don't need you."
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>> wael: i need to show you this song. >> smith: you think this is the best song that's come out of the revolution? >> wael: yes, yes. i've heard it, like, 50 times. ♪ >> smith: "i went down to the streets." ♪ >> wael: "hold our head up to the sky." ♪ "and hunger did not matter to us anymore." it's not about the food, you know. the most important thing is our rights. >> smith: ghonim told us he has no interest in politics, and he wants to go back to work at google. after our interview, he talked about the future with his family and friends, but he realizes his future has fundamentally changed. have you had death threats? >> ghonim: yeah. i get those all the time. i'm getting a lot of hate messages. a lot of people are, you know, talking bad about me and, you know, still accusing me of being, you know... of being a spy and a traitor and all that funny stuff. but i think, in the next few days, when... when all the black files of the regime are going to be out for everyone to read and
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see, and, you know, we know about the money that was stolen from this country, things are going to get better. >> smith: do you think mubarak will be brought to trial? >> ghonim: at the moment, i don't care. revenge is... is... is not the thing i want. for me, what i care about right now, i want all the money, all the money of the egyptian people to come back. there are billions and billions of dollars that were stolen out of this country. the corrupt... you cannot imagine the amount of corruption that was here, you know, with all these people in power, with all these... you know, with all this conflict of interest. and, you know, it's time for them to pay the price. and it's... as i said, revenge is not my goal, personally. you know, others would have that as their goal, and i don't blame them for... for that. but for me, what is more important, we want the money back because this money belongs to the egyptian... egyptians, and they deserve it. the people who were eating from the trash, that was their money. >> smith: people who watch this say, "okay, well, this miracle happened in egypt, but it won't be like that a month or a year
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or five years from now. it's... it... life isn't like that." do you... do you believe the ideals that were so well displayed over the last two and a half weeks will actually... are the pavement or the foundation for the country? >> ghonim: yeah, that's actually our responsibility. what we are.... we're now meeting a lot, because what we said that this momentum, whatever, that just happened right now needs to be capitalized on now. >> smith: did the mubarak regime underestimate, or do you even think it understood, the power of the social network? >> ghonim: they don't understand the social networking part, but they underestimate the power of the people. and, you know, at the end of the day, i want to say my final word is, "thanks, thanks, thanks to the stupid regime. you have done us the best thing ever. you have woke up 80 million egyptians." >> smith: so if you're an autocrat, or if you're a
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events ever. people were mesmerized as the 33 chilean miners stepped from darkness into light. it might have been the greatest rescue operation since noah's ark. and the miners? they were lionized, living proof that, in this software century, courage and endurance have not disappeared. well, they're back home now in copiapo, a mining town planted in the driest desert in the world. we flew down there to check out how they're doing, and to find out what was really going on those 69 days half a mile under the earth. before the rescue, the 33 made a pact of silence. nonetheless, several opened up to us, talked about things they'd been keeping to themselves. as you will learn tonight, much of their story hasn't been told. four months ago, this was the stage for one of the most compelling dramas of our time. there's not the slightest trace of that now, not even an empty coke can.
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this is the entrance to hell on earth. the miners were five hours into their day shift when their world collapsed. workers on the surface said it sounded like a volcano exploding. they were shocked, they said, but not surprised. the san jose mine had one of the worst safety records in the region. the first rescue team didn't get very far. 300 yards from here, the underground road was blocked by a boulder twice the weight of the empire state building. were the 33 still alive? the odds were put at 2%. half a mile underground, victor zamora was repairing the roof of the mine when the force of the collapse plastered him against a wall. he stumbled to the shelter, where food was meant to be stored for just such an emergency. there was enough for a couple of picnics. how did you react to that? >> victor zamora ( translated ): we were so mad.
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there was almost nothing there. we couldn't believe that we were supposed to survive with so little. we were treated even worse than animals. it was shocking. >> simon: three days after the collapse, the rescue teams started sending probes down. trouble was, they had no idea where the miners were. all they had were sketches, which were outdated and inaccurate. but they kept on drilling, day and night. the noise was deafening. the miners would hear the probes come close, and then stop. it drove them crazy. but once, mechanic alex vega thought he heard salvation. >> alex vega ( translated ): i'd say the probe went by no more than two meters from our shelter. >> simon: you heard the probe go down two meters from where you were. >> vega ( translated ): yes, it went by real close. >> simon: do you remember what you felt when you realized that the probe was not going to come where you were?
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>> vega ( translated ): yes, i lost hope. i was desperate. >> simon: and so were the families who pitched tents outside the mine. they called it camp hope. and some never lost it, even though, for 16 days, there was no sign of life. what the families didn't know, and what has not been reported until now, is just how close their men came to doing themselves in. >> zamora ( translated ): i said to a friend, "well, if we're going to continue suffering, it would be better for us to all go to the shelter, start an engine and, with the carbon monoxide, just let ourselves go." >> simon: were you the only one who suggested that, or were there other miners who felt the same way? >> zamora ( translated ): i think all of us. >> simon: all of you were thinking about committing suicide? >> zamora ( translated ): at that moment, it wasn't really committing suicide. it was to not continue suffering. we were going to die anyway.
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>> simon: we wanted to get some idea of what it must have been like down there. so we asked writer jonathan franklin, who obtained a backstage pass to the rescue operation, to take us down a nearby mine. it had been run by the same company. >> jonathan franklin: there's been quite a few mini cave-ins around here. >> simon: we had to scramble over rocks and rubble in pitch- black tunnels to get where we wanted to go-- to the part of the mine which most resembled the diabolical world where the men were entombed half a mile underground. now, we all knew that the miners spent 69 days underground. we knew it. but being down here is knowing it-- knowing it, really. i mean, the idea of 69 days here is terrifying. >> franklin: we're only one quarter of the depth that they were. >> simon: one quarter. you'd have to go down another 500 meters. where they were, it was wet and humid.
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>> simon: even under these conditions, the men maintained remarkable discipline. they voted on everything. they stuck to a daily schedule-- a general meeting, followed by a prayer service. then, what they called dinner. franklin, who gained unprecedented access to the miners, has written a book called "33 men." he says the men always divided their food evenly, even when they were down to one teaspoon of tuna every 48 hours. but by day 16, he says, the miners were all starving, and realized they'd have to eat the first man who died. >> franklin: they told me that they had a pot and a saw ready. >> simon: do you think that the potential candidates knew who they were? >> franklin: one of the candidates told me that the guys had been joking, "hey, if you die in your sleep, you know, you're... you're going to be breakfast, lunch and dinner." so he... those last few nights, he said, he couldn't sleep. he was too afraid that if he died, that his companions would end up eating him. >> simon: mario sepulveda, who emerged as the leader of the
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group early on, says he thought it was only a matter of time. how long do you think it would have been before you had to do it? >> mario sepulveda ( translated ): i would say five or ten days. i don't know. but i was going to get out of there, no matter what. food or no food, i was going to get out of there. how? i had to think about which miner was going to collapse first, and then i started thinking about how i was going to eat him. i promise you, i wasn't embarrassed, i wasn't scared. >> simon: but they were saved by the drill. on day 17, it came punching through the ceiling. all thoughts of cannibalism and suicide disappeared into the dust. when the drill finally broke through, do you remember what you were feeling? >> zamora ( translated ): i was so weak, i couldn't even stand, and then all of a sudden, i found myself jumping for joy. it was like celebrating new year's eve or having a newborn child. >> simon: rescuers on the
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surface heard pounding on the drill. when they pulled it up, they saw paint on it, red paint. then, they found a note attached to the bit. it said, "we are fine in the refuge. the 33." they sent down a camera, and the world peered into the dark eyes of a stunned survivor. then, there they were-- 33 haunted men trying to appear cheerful, to wave, to smile for their families. they just couldn't pull it off. some had lost 50 pounds. mario sepulveda played the host in what became a reality show-- "survivor underground." he took the viewers around what had become their home-- the casino, the clinic, the post office. and that's where conflicts with the rescuers began. psychologists were censoring and tampering with the letters the miners wrote and received. they wanted to keep the messages light and cheerful.
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the 33 were outraged. >> sepulveda ( translated ): they treated us like we were completely ignorant, stupid. it was totally unacceptable that they were reading intimate things that we were writing to our wives. >> simon: i understand that you guys got so angry that there was something of a mutiny. >> sepulveda ( translated ): there were some really tense moments, yes. >> simon: but tension turned into joy on day 69, the day of liberation. the fittest men went up first. mario sepulveda was the second to reach the top. he seemed happy to be there. victor zamora, the roof repairman, made a movie of it all-- the rescuer's landing, getting suited up for the ride. then, liftoff and 20 minutes in a magic capsule.
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the docking and a love scene. hollywood couldn't have done better. the 33 were treated to a victory tour. highlights? meetings with america's top celebrities; galas, where they just kept on receiving awards; an appearance on the david letterman show. miner edison peña didn't have the slightest idea who letterman was, but he was having a wonderful time. back in copiapó, though, peña was hospitalized for anxiety and depression. and he was not alone. mario sepulveda, that most exuberant of men, is on heavy medication. the oldest miner, mario gomez, finds it impossible to sleep. and alex vega? he can't explain why he's doing it, but he's building a wall around his house. >> vega: ( translated ): whenever i hear a noise, i get scared and look all around me. my heart beats faster.
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i can't go into small spaces. i'm taking five or six pills a day now. if i don't take them, i can't sleep, and i wouldn't even be able to sit with you. >> simon: all but one of the 33 men, doctors say, have suffered severe psychological problems since the accident. and the miners complain they're not getting the quality medical care and benefits they need and were promised. 19 of them have already lost their disability payments. sebastian piñera is chile's president. a couple of the miners told me that they feel like they're soldiers, they're heroes during the war. and when the war is over, they're forgotten. >> president sebastian piñera: well, that's part of life. that's part of human nature. they were heroes. they will always be heroes. >> simon: you know, if any of these miners get really ill, the story could still have an
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unhappy ending, couldn't it? >> piñera: yes. yes. and we are worried about that. but each of them, they have to come back to their normal lives, to their families. find a new job. >> simon: that's what the president said to you. what do you say to the president? >> vega ( translated ): i'm an underground mining mechanic. that's what i do, and i won't be able to do it anymore. >> simon: what do you want to do? >> vega ( translated ): i've tried to work fixing cars and other kinds of vehicles. but i lose my concentration very quickly. i forget things. right now, i don't know what's going to happen with my future. >> simon: and victor zamora? he walked with us to the mine. it was his first time back since the accident. he told us he feels he still hasn't been rescued. >> zamora ( translated ): before i went in here, i was a happy guy. but now, i'm having nightmares. i'm having problems. i'm not the same person. >> simon: what kind of nightmares are you having? >> zamora: ( translated ): being
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trapped, watching my friends around me die, rocks falling. the other me is still in there. >> simon: do you miss him? >> zamora: ( translated ): i can't have a normal relationship with my family. i'm... i'm not as affectionate with my child as i was before. it's very difficult. >> simon: what's it like just looking at this place now? >> zamora: ( translated ): sadness, lots of sadness. i'd prefer to be dead. >> simon: even today, not everyone understands what can happen to people after they've been in hell. but the miners know. they say the mine is a vengeful goddess who exacts a price for her copper. sometimes the price is death; sometimes survival.
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>> cooper: even if you've never heard her music, chances are you've heard about lady gaga. she's the most talked about entertainer in the world.
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in the past two years, she's had six number one hit songs, and, tonight at the grammys, she is not only a headline performer, she's also been nominated for six awards. her fans are devoted to her; millions more seem mystified by her. is she a real artist or a marketing expert? musically gifted or a flash in the pan? we weren't sure what to expect when we caught up with her in the final months of her sold-out european tour. her real name is stefani germanotta, and she's just 24 years old. each time we met her, she surprised us not just with her candor-- and her frank talk about drugs may concern some parents-- but she also surprised us by never appearing the same way twice. so, what should i call you? i mean, do i call you lady? do i call you gaga? lady gaga? >> lady gaga: call me gaga. yeah. >> cooper: does anyone call you stefani? >> lady gaga: yeah, some people do, especially in bed. i prefer stefani in bed. >> cooper: really? >> lady gaga: yeah. >> cooper: you don't want somebody yelling out "lady gaga." >> lady gaga: no. that would freak me out. >> cooper: when we first met
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lady gaga in london, we'd planned a quiet stroll down the river thames. but when she arrived, about a dozen paparazzi were following her. do you ever get used to this? >> lady gaga: no. >> cooper: no? >> lady gaga: no. >> cooper: make no mistake-- lady gaga uses the photographers as much as they use her. her over-the-top outfits are designed to grab headlines and get people talking. everywhere you go, are you always in full regalia? >> lady gaga: full regalia. that's a fabulous word. can i steal that from you? >> cooper: absolutely. so, how tall are those? >> lady gaga: well, i... >> cooper: how do you... how do you even walk in those? >> lady gaga: i suppose they're above ten inches, 11 inches. ( chuckles ) i'm very talented. >> cooper: i have no doubt of that. >> lady gaga: multitalented. >> cooper: to get away from the paparazzi... you have three guys on motorcycles right now following you. >> lady gaga: yeah. >> cooper: ...she took us to the outskirts of london, to a small
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pub for a drink. do you take days off? or do you feel like you're in this whirlwind and you have to keep it going? >> lady gaga: right now, we're in a bar, right? and there's a camera right there and a camera right there. but if i were to be sitting in this bar and we didn't have a scheduled interview, there would still be a camera over there and over there and over there. i'm always on camera. >> cooper: from what i understand, you're very... you study... you are a student of... of music. you're a student of... of fashion. but you're a student of fame, in a way. >> lady gaga: one of my greatest artworks is the art of fame. i'm a master of the art of fame. >> cooper: to understand how lady gaga got so famous, you have to start with her music. she's been on tour for much of the past three years. >> cooper: a tireless performer,
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in concert she is constantly on the move, singing, dancing, changing costumes. her biggest hits are dance songs. some of the imagery may remind you of madonna, but lady gaga is more outrageous. she's studied the artistry of others but is a creation all her own. a classically trained pianist who writes or co-writes all her songs. ♪ going to listen to a song about rock 'n' roll ♪ >> cooper: she insists she never lip synchs and, alone onstage, her voice packs a powerful punch. ♪ whoa-ooooo
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>> cooper: it's not just the music her fans respond to, however. it's also her message, an uplifting mantra of self- empowerment and self acceptance. >> lady gaga: tonight, i want you to let go of all of your insecurities. i want you to reject anyone or anything that ever made you feel that you don't belong. free yourself of these things tonight! yeah! >> cooper: you're hoping to speak to people who feel different, who feel disconnected? >> lady gaga: people who feel disconnected from society or disenfranchised, feel like a freak, feel like you don't belong, like you don't fit in, or you'll never be great. >> cooper: she sees herself in her fans. >> lady gaga: what's your name? >> cooper: "little monsters," she calls them. >> nicole: nicole! >> cooper: and they are devoted to her. >> lady gaga: put your paws up! >> nicole: she's so inspirational. she teaches you never to give up on what you believe in. oh, i'm shaking so much.
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>> cooper: two months after seeing her in london, we met up with lady gaga in milan. she had transformed herself once again-- new hair, new makeup, and hardly any clothes. what are you wearing today? >> lady gaga: i just didn't want to wear clothes today. for whatever reason, i just didn't. i just... i actually don't even have any foundation on my face. i just wanted eyeliner and... and my mcqueen boots. >> cooper: how... how... ( laughs ) >> lady gaga: that's it. >> cooper: lady gaga doesn't consider herself just a pop singer; she sees herself as a performance artist, a living work of art onstage and off. the clothes and wigs are all part of the production. >> lady gaga: i'm a true academic when it comes to music and when it comes to my style, my fashion. there's nothing that i've ever put on my body that i didn't understand where it came from, the reference of it, who inspired it. there's always some sort of a story or a concept that i'm... i'm telling. >> cooper: the concepts are not always obvious to most people.
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last year, she wore an outfit made of raw meat to an award show, accompanied by several discharged gay servicemembers. she says it was a commentary on "don't ask, don't tell." >> lady gaga: i never thought i'd be asking cher to hold my meat purse. >> cooper: spending time with lady gaga, we realized the outfits and transformations are not just attention-getting, they're also attention- directing-- a way for her to keep the public focused on her work as opposed to her personal life. >> lady gaga: part of my mastering of the art of fame, part of it is getting people to pay attention to what you want them to pay attention to and not pay attention to the things you don't want them to pay attention to. >> cooper: the fame of other people, how they got it, how they kept it and... and how they lost it. >> lady gaga: the sociology of fame and how to maintain a certain privacy without feeling like you're withholding anything from your fans. my philosophy is that if i am open with them about everything and yet i art-direct every...
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every moment of my life, i can maintain a sort of privacy, in a way. i maintain a certain soulfulness that i have yet to give. ♪ >> cooper: the pressures of maintaining fame and the deadly price other superstars have paid for it are a frequent theme in lady gaga's performances. at the mtv video music awards, she shocked the audience by ending her song "paparazzi" drenched in blood, hanging above the stage-- a blond icon dying before our eyes. >> lady gaga: that's what everyone wants to know, right? what's she going to look like when she dies? what's she going to look like when she's overdosed on whatever they think i'm overdosing on? everybody wants to see the decay of the superstar. >> cooper: do you think people want to see your decay? >> lady gaga: what? of course, they do. they want to see me fail, they want to see me fall on stage, they want to see me vomiting out of a nightclub. i mean, isn't that the age that
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we live in? that we want to see people who have it all lose it all? i mean, it's... it's dramatic, and it's... >> cooper: and then climb their way back. >> lady gaga: right. it's a movie. and... and yet i just am not like that on... on my own time. i'm not a "vomit in the club" kind of girl. >> cooper: just five or six years ago, however, she could have become that kind of girl. she says she was using a lot of cocaine. her name was stefani germonatta then. she had dropped out of new york university intent on becoming a star. >> this is the stefani germanotta band. >> cooper: this was her playing in a small club in 2006. ( band plays ) ♪ in january, she took us back to the building in new york she lived in before hitting it big. she had transformed herself once again. >> lady gaga: we're going to do it the new york way. >> cooper: okay.
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( laughs ) you're buzzing all of the buzzers? >> lady gaga: yeah. someone'll listen. we did it. ( door bell buzzes ) hi, this is lady gaga. >> cooper: she wanted to show us her old studio apartment... >> lady gaga: i'm just wondering if i could say hi. >> cooper: ...but it turns out not everyone in new york is so enamored with fame. >> i'd rather not have any cameras. >> cooper: she grew up in a far more prosperous new york neighborhood with her parents and sister. she'd started piano and dance lessons at age four and went to a catholic girls' school. she was a good student but says she didn't feel like she ever fit in. >> lady gaga: i felt disenfranchised by my school and by the people in the school that would make fun of me and bully me and tease me and make me feel less cool. >> cooper: that feeling began to change and her career took off after she adapted the name lady gaga from a queen song, "radio gaga." the new name freed her, she says, to become the superstar she was meant to be.
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>> lady gaga: i was able to leave such a massive amount of insecurities behind me by getting rid of... that name, in a way. and i still am very insecure in so many ways, but i wish i could give that gift to all my fans. you have the freedom to pull the superstar out of yourself that you were born to be. we are all born superstars. >> cooper: lady gaga says she no longer uses cocaine, though she readily admits she still smokes pot. >> lady gaga: i smoke a lot of pot when i write music. so i'm not going to, like, sugarcoat it for "60 minutes" that, you know, i... i'm some, like, sober human being, 'cause i'm not. i... >> cooper: you still smoke up? >> lady gaga: i drink a lot of whiskey and i smoke weed when i write. and i don't do it a lot because it's not good for my voice. i don't want to encourage kids to do drugs, but when you asked me about the sociology of fame and what artists do wrong, what artists do wrong is they lie. and i don't lie. i'm not a liar. i built goodwill with my fans. they know who i am, and i'm just
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like them in so many ways. >> cooper: you have a recording studio with you on the road? wherever you go? >> lady gaga: yes. >> cooper: her new album is coming out in may, and "forbes" magazine estimates she's on track to earn as much as $100 million this year. the new album's content is guarded like gold. a leak of a song can cost a record company millions. this is from the new album? >> lady gaga: yeah. this is from... yeah, "born this way," yeah. >> cooper: she let us listen to a half dozen of the new songs but would only allow us to record a few seconds of the title song. it's called "born this way." ( song plays ) >> lady gaga: cut those cameras. you can't have anymore. get out of here. >> cooper: you know, when people heard i did this interview, everybody asked me the same question: "what is she really like?" >> lady gaga: photographers say this to me all the... "i want to photograph the real you." i'm, like, "what the hell are you looking for? i'm right here. you've seen me with no makeup.
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you've asked me about my drug history, my parents, my f... my bank account." i mean, how much more real could i be? >> cooper: people obviously think that you're not being who you are because you are wearing a lot of makeup and always, you know, presenting yourself in a different way. >> lady gaga: this is what i'm really like. this is exactly what i'm really like. this... this is the cup i drink out of every day, this is the diamond i put in my coffee when i get nervous. ( laughs ) it's not a real diamond, it's fake. >> cooper: you have a sense of humor about yourself. do you think sometimes people take it... take you too seriously? i think about... there was that rumor that... ( laughs ) sorry. are you... do you have the diamond in your mouth now? >> lady gaga: uh-huh. ( laughs ) yes, people take me both way too seriously and not seriously enough. ♪ don't come to me don't come to me ♪ >> cooper: in the end, what lady
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gaga says she cares about most is her music. the clothes and the costumes, even the controversies, are all just a part of her artistry, part of the performance her life has become. mastering the art of fame is one thing; maintaining that fame is another. the music is what lady gaga believes will allow her to do just that. ♪ bad romance [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies,
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