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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book01;chap11 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, KevinG, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads our Parmenides morning study group through Chapter 11 of Book 1 of Proclus' Theology of Plato .(*) More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato: We are using for now the Thomas Taylor translation: Volume Eight in the Thomas Taylor series, ISBN-10: 978-1898910-077, as published by Prometheus Trust and available in the UK through them directly , or in the USA...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 129a 129b 129c 129d 129e 130a 130b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley What does Parmenides find so admirable? Is it possible that if they are ideas in the Platonic sense, that everything participates in them? The use of auto Do you put the idea of 'Self' in the class of ideas? (If so, then there is a class of ideas which are not participable.) If the Self could be in a class of participable ideas, then there would be something...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, plg
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. From Barbara: Today we read Book 4, Chapter 9 and the first page of Chapter 10. Pierre also explored divine progression and the need for a mean term, that the progression is accomplished through likeness....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus, book04, ch09, ch10
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 5, Chapters 1-3. Attendees Pierre, Barbara, David, JulieH, Regina More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato (Thomas Taylor translation): Volume Eight in the Thomas Taylor series, ISBN-10:...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus, book05, chap01, chap02, chap03
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp5 Sections: 159b-160b (P1-P18) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, JulieP, Eldar Notes How is 5 or 6 necessary, after hyp4? The Role of 'Difference' Rejection of the idea of likeness and unlikeness being inherent in the selves (in the 5th) Therefore, we can turn it around and say, is it not interesting that likeness and unlikeness ARE inherent in selves? For if they were inherent in selves, they could then be said to be like and unlike....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp5
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Chapters 16 and 17 of Book 3. Attendees Pierre, Regina, Eldar, JulieH, Barbara, David, JeffS More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato (Thomas Taylor translation): Volume Eight in the Thomas...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus, book03, chap16, chap17
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 158a-d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Sayon, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, Crop Circles 59 , courtesy Le Petit Poulailler on Flickr , CC BY-NC-ND 2.0
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp4
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Stephanos sections 163b-164b (yes, there is distortion at higher volumes on the right stereo channel. it's not you. i had the gain up too high on the 2nd mike. mea culpa. -JS) Pierre Grimes with Noetic Society members Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Yoni, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: plato, philosophy, ideas, self, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp7, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 143b 143c 143d 143e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Nancy, Bradley, JulieP, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp2
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read book 4, the last paragraph of chapter 34 (p. 295 in the Prometheus Trust version), and chapters 35-39. We will be on to book 5, chapter 3 next time. Attendees Pierre, David, Eldar, JulieH,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus, book04, chap34, chap35, chap36, chap37,...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9 Attendees: Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, Crop Circles 27 , courtesy Le Petit Poulailler on Flickr , CC BY-NC-ND 2.0
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp9
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg;hyp1 Sections: 128c 128d 128e 129a 129b 129c 129e 129e 130a 130b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Eldar, Nancy, JeffS Note: if anyone would like to contribute notes, please email them to me and i will paste them here in the description section. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image pointilism courtesy of Flickr user aesthetics of crisis (aestheticsofcrisis) under a CC BY-NC-SA 2.0...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, plg, hyp1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp8,hyp4 Sections: 165c-165e (P20-P24), 158b (P15) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Eldar, Regina 165c P20 additions: "and by appearing to be like.." Comparing the 8th hypothesis here to the shadows on the wall of the allegory of the Cave (in The Republic) 0:16:40 P22 What is a phantasm? Does its origin lie in "the different"? In any universe, if there are 2 things, and one is a phantom of the other, there is a fundamental difference...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp8, hyp4
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 135e,136a-c Attendees: Pierre, Eldar, Barbara, Regina, JulieH Synopsis Working to understand Parmenides' description of the 'exercise' that Socrates should engage himself in. We have also in the past discussions referred to this as a 'dialectic', with 8 parts. Proclus also expands on it (to 24) in his Commentary. Highlights 0:00:30 to 0:19:00 Regina's pseudo-question re 135e, P56 19:00 Barbara - translation issues at P56 "can":...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book01;chap26;chap27 Attendees: Pierre, David, Barbara, Eldar, Yoni, JulieH Synopsis Pierre leads the NS morning Parmenides study group through more reading of Proclus' Theology of Plato (*). This morning we read Book 1, Chapter 26, and the first half of 27. Highlights 0:00:00 --- Ch 26 - Divinity, the Immortal, the Intelligible Problems with Proclus' definition of 'divine' The role of Ousia on various levels We spend some time on the sentence, "For...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus
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Attendees: Pierre, Regina, Barbara, David, JulieH Synopsis Pierre leads the NS Parmenides study group through more of Proclus' Theology of Plato (*). We read Chapter 4 beginning at the second paragraph to the end, and Chapter 5 (only the 2nd paragraph). And about one third of the way into the 1st paragraph of Chapter 6. Pierre also suggested we go back and review chapter 11 in Book 1 for a reminder as to where we're going with the Theology. No charts today. Highlights Book 2, ch 4, para #2...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 3, Chapters 22 and 23. Attendees Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, JulieH More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato (Thomas Taylor translation): Volume Eight in the Thomas Taylor series,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, book03, chap22, chap23, proclus
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Synopsis Changing the teaching of math, with Josh Pierre midwifes Barbara and JulieH through making sense of their recent dreams. Dream Texts Barbara's Dream Fragment There's a lady standing in front of me, and she is saying there are two presents. That present, and this present. JulieH's Dream #2 — Sun 17 Nov 2019 I’m at some place that is VERY RIGID. It’s a square room and like an insurance company. I’m the customer and the woman helping me works for other company. We’re over at...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Stefanos sections: 129b-c,136b-c From Barbara: A smallish group today: Gina, Dave, Brad, Me, Pierre, and Josh. Pierre began the session by asking, "Is it worthwhile being clear about what Parmenides says the nature and power of that which can destroy the dialectic?" We started at 135B-C. Pierre asked about this passage, "Is this a perfect description of Socrates?" Then we went to Socrates at 129 B-C to examine Socrates' position to see if it matched. Then we went back to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, plg, pg1
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Stefanos sections: 127e,136a Barbara's notes: Greetings, included is today's audio. And a chart picture by Brad. Present: Pierre, Barbara, David, Bradley, Josh, Kevin, Regina, Yoni Sorry but this tape starts a bit late, maybe 3 minutes. Pierre speaks increasingly softly as the class progressed. We become increasingly quiet. I push the tape recorder ever closer. He nudges it away. However, I'm hoping it's clear to you. I haven't checked. The subject of the discussion might be described as...
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Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, plg, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130b-e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, JeffS Timaeus 29e on Likeness , "This principle, then, we shall be wholly right in accepting from men of wisdom as being above all the supreme originating principle of Becoming and the Cosmos." Jung, archetypes, participation (and the problems with this). Huston Smith The History of the Kabbalah (and Jewish Platonists in southern Spain) Working from Plato's Parmenides: The...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 143c 143d 144c 144d 144e 145a 145b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Nancy, Eldar, Bill, JeffS Beginning to 41:00 - Regina's question on couples 143c,d 41:30 to end - Discussion on whole, parts, singular, plural 144c-145b Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp2
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Stephanos sections 163b-164b Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Nancy, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp7, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3;hyp2 Sections: 157a 142b 142c 142d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, Yoni, JeffS Basic Topics Discussed: - "The Logos Unfolds the Nature of the Self" - "Following the Trail of the Logos" - 142c "whereas our present hypothesis is not Self .. - Aristoteles' understanding is pretty sharp   - he knows that if the One Is, that automatically means participation in Ousia   - but he does have a problem with...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp3, hyp2
Synopsis Another great informal Saturday morning coffee with Pierre. This time at a local Panera, since neither Regina nor David can host this weekend. Technical Issues [This recording may be a bit difficult to hear, even with good headphones, as we were in a public place, and I could not get the recorder to work with Pierre's headset, so we had to satisfy ourselves with a recorder on the table.] Attendees Pierre, Barbara, Sayon, JulieH, SteveD, JeffS, Josh, Ciprian, Eldar Highlights When I...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Another great Saturday chit-chat with Pierre. Topics Covered - Midwifery with JulieH - Sayon: moving up in the world - JeffS: pot can help with insights but is it ultimately anti-anagogic? (See Pierre's book co-authored with Regina, Philosophical Midwifery: A New Paradigm for Understanding Human Problems With Its Validation , ISBN-10: 0964819112, ISBN-13: 978-0964819115, April 1998 Hyparxis Press) [I could not record video, audio only for today, because of problems with the electrical. Thanks...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSPMW
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 157b-159b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar Synopsis: Our Parmenides study group continues on once again into the fourth hypothesis. Pierre extends his diagram from yesterday , but only at the bottom.  We read through the entirety of the hypothesis, focusing on several sections. The most work is put into P15 (top of 158b) by virtue of its importance but also ambiguity and multiple interpretations in the original Greek. Notes:...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp4
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9,hyp1 Sections: 137b,137c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Eldar, JulieH, Regina Synopsis We looked at whether picture thinking was or was not in the 9th Hypothesis. We considered the First Hypothesis in contrast with the Ninth. While Pierre went to the board and made a vertical line with the 1st and 9th on either side we added only one line which I think was mentioned on the tape. That is, I think, a work in progress. The diagram -- simple as it was --...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, hyp9
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9 Sections: 165e-166c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Eldar, JulieH, Regina We started with a question from Eldar. "How is the fifth hypothesis 'Image Thinking'?" For those of you who weren't at the seminar, Pierre went through all the hypotheses in terms of the divided line. Learning how to think allegorically -- mapping each term (and its function) in the Cave allegory to a deeper principle. The question of the meaning of daylight and its opposition...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp5, hyp9
Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book01;chap18 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar Synopsis Pierre leads the NS Parmenides morning study group through chapter 18 of book 1 of Proclus' Theology of Plato (*). The basic 3 things Proclus is covering here are the 1. Self-sufficiency, 2. Immutability, and 3. Sameness of subsistence of the Gods. Highlights Plato and Proclus: Reasoning on Causes: What are the conditions necessary for a cause? (We moderns don't reason this way.)...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read the 4th Hypothesis. Attendees Pierre, David, Regina, Barbara Highlights We started again at 158B, at the beginning of Hypothesis 4 and I labored at making a fine distinction, but didn't. Then we picked up where we had left off and went to the end of the Fourth or 159B. Pierre was pursuing the question, if there's, in fact, reasoning by examination, and reasoning by Logos which is also based on...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp4
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 6, Chapter 11. No chart today, though we referred to the chart of the Gods , the printed hierarchy as opposed to Pierre's drawn one (i.e., diagram 1). Attendees Pierre, Barbara, JulieH,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, book06, chap11, proclus
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 6, Chapter2 (pp 397-8) and Genesis. Attendees Pierre, JulieH, Barbara, Regina Notes From Barbara: There was a new chart. It started in a discussion with Julie H. about cause due to the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, old-testament, book06, chap02, genesis, proclus
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Stephanos sections 142b-143a Different vs Other (cf 141b) One - Being - Ousia - Self again -- various takes This is an incredibly complicated discussion, and we would have benefited with video, or at least someone calling out the shots as Pierre drew. But tomorrow helps ameliorate the frustration a bit. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp2, pg1
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Stephanos sections 142b,142d,137c-141a,141d From Barbara: "David started with a summary of his seeing from the Second. He saw clearly the distinctions and unity developed in the 2nd hypothesis for to hen, to esti, on, and ousia. He referenced 142D and on from that point. When that had settled, Pierre went to 142B5. (It should be mentioned and may not be on the video that Saturday, at the end, as we were leaving, Pierre ask the Parmenides group where in the Parmenides we wanted to go. I...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp2, hyp1, pg1
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Stephanos sections: 130b,130c,130d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley Barbara's notes Hi, Jeff, Juan, Maria, Julie and Yoni, Another amazing talk with PG. There's a bit of a talk at the beginning about Pierre's motivational study at GWC, about types of students who go on probation, i.e. selfers, future carreerists, vocationals, and high-schoolers. We began the study at 130B and continued from there. If you want a bit of audio that precedes this where Gina is talking about...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we focus on the first paragraph of chapter 7 of book 2 of Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) . [I did not attend this meeting, and today's diagram is not from Pierre.  It is only from myself as I listened...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus, book02, chap07, republic, chap06
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we started with a few Greek vocabulary from Chapter 18 of Book 3. But then there was a dialogue with Julie that lasted about 30 minutes about the role of light and divinity from a quote in Chapter 18....
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 4, Chapter 1.  At the end of the session we speak a little about Book 5 Ch. 1 and Ch. 5 Attendees Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina Technical Issues Chart is missing from today's talk. More...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Hypothesis 8. Attendees Pierre, JulieH, Regina, Barbara Highlights We worked solely on the 8th Hypothesis exploring it to see if PMW (philosophical midwifery) and Pierre's concept of the pathologos could be mapped over all the major distinctions of the Eighth. We'll return to this study on Friday 9/27 . Credits Recording, title, and highlights: Barbara Chart Photo: Regina Original Location...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp8
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Book 10, Sections 614-621 Brief Notes From Barbara: We worked on the Myth of Er. The opening quote on the Charts was: Learning is 1. to discover the new and understand it. 2) to recover from an error (or ignorance) remove the effect and go on to gain what was left unknown. Some of the quotes we focused on in this order--all are in the Republic, two versions being used--are p. 529 in the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, republic, book10
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3, hyp7 Sections: 156b,163b-164b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Ingmar, Sayon, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, Crop Circles 36 , courtesy Le Petit Poulailler on Flickr , CC BY-NC-ND 2.0
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp3, hyp7
[Audio only for this Saturday: I was just too low energy to manage video today.] 0:00:30 Discussion of Barbara's recent translating of Proposition 7 of Proclus' Elements of Theology ("Every productive cause is superior to that which it produces.") 0:09:00 Pierre announces that he has gotten a job training clinical psychologists in treating addiction using his philosophical midwifery 0:19:45 JeffS explores a dream with Pierre (2-19-2018 JeffS)These ideas come in triplets. And each...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190722NSPRM Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, book05, chap26, chap27, chap28, note06, proclus
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Talk given by Pierre Grimes at the Theosophical Society Besant Lodge in Hollywood, California. (4th Thursdays of each month.) After this intro, Pierre explored a dream with BradleyB (which is not currently archived). More info: http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSBSNT, pg1, dreams, mind
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Attendees Pierre, Regina, Barbara, JulieH, Eldar, KevinG, JeffS, SteveD Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning coffee with Pierre -- this one out in Regina's back yard. Time-table 0:00:30 Pierre dialogues with Regina about her family game 0:20:50 Barbara's two dreams from that morning 1:01:30 Dialogue with KevinG to help him think through a life problem he is facing 2:02:04 JeffS's dream, 9 umbrellas (after everyone has read it) Dream Texts Barbara's Dreams Dream 1 - Saturday, September 8,...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130b 130c 130d 130e Attendees: Pierre, David, Barbara, Regina, Brian, Bradley, JulieP, JeffS picking up from where we left off at the recent seminar.. if our assumption is that the idea of the Self is playing an interesting role in this work, let's see what Parmenides does after Socrates unearths it 130b each one of the ideas appears to possess a self 2 classes of ideas: those that are participatory, and those that are not is Parmenides making a...
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book02;chap02;chap03 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Eldar, Julia, Regina Synopsis Pierre leads the Parmenides study group through the end of Book2/Chapter 2, and the beginning (1st para) of Book2/Chapter 3, of Proclus' Theology of Plato(*) . Highlights Book 2, Chapter 2 principle of beings / principles incorruptible and incorporeal The One is prior to Essence (Ousia) The One does not have Ousia in it. Ousia cannot participate of the One, either...
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Stephanos sections: 59a,59b,59c,59d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley, Sayon, Alex, JeffS What's the Phaedo all about? Self - αυτοσ (autos) - these are the first and last words of the Phaedo! Why? Why would a well-known Pythagorean like Echecrates start off with that interesting question, that starts the dialogue? What would happen if someone who had an interest in the Parmenides now picked up the Phaedo? (..of course, this is what we're now doing.) What would they...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4;hyp8 Sections: 158c (P19-P21), 164c-165b (P8-P17) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, JulieH, Eldar Re-reading hyp4: 158c (P19-P21) to compare with hyp8 regarding infinite multitude Then hyp8, starting with P8 (164c) Infinite multitude, both in 4 & 8, but going to different conclusions Sudden appearance, here, like a dream Does it help to come to a general idea of what each of these hypotheses can represent, so that then you can use the idea once you...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp5 Sections: 159b 159c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David (at end), Regina, Nancy, Eldar, Bradley Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp8 (8th hypothesis) Sections: 164b-165e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina The Puzzles in the 8th 164e P11 Pierre emphasizes: watch the "some" Two groups among the selves: even and odd P13 What does "IN selves" mean? Why does he use δόξει (doxei) and φαίνεται (phainetai)? P14 a phantom of equality P15 P16 The smaller is surfaced again It starts with "something" Barbara reads P17-P24 17:55 Reviewing: P13...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read TOP Book 5, Chaps 32-34 and Tim 34b-c, 36e-37c. Attendees Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Jed Pierre gave a challenge that the passages at the bottom of p. 366 and top of p. 377 seem to refer...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, timaeus, book05, chap32, chap33, chap34, proclus
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190620NSPRM Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 132a 132b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar Initial discussion on the problems with our current education system, then.. Understanding the paragraph at 132A Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 143d 143e 144a 144b 144c 144d 144e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Josh, JulieH, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book01;chap21;chap22 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Eldar, JulieH, Nancy [diagram forthcoming] More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group The text we use the most: Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 5, Chapter 39. From Barbara: I read through the last part of the second paragraph on p. 56. Pierre then took us through a very detailed explication of Chapter 39 Book 5, the first two...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 147b-148a (P103-P116),126b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, Jed, JeffS Continuing working on the 2nd hypothesis in Plato's dialogue, Parmenides 0:00:30 Pierre suggests picking up with David's difficulty regarding same/different David describes his 'dyslexia' - couldn't even just "read the words". 0:06:20 146b Discussion proper begins with Pierre writing out a question on the diagram: What does Parmenides need in...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 5 Chapter 36 and 37, Parts of Book 4, Chapter 30 and 31. No new chart -- just a few gestures to the last one . Attendees Pierre, David, Regina, JulieH, Barbara More Info (*) Proclus'...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus, book05, chap36, chap37, book04, chap30,...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 5, Chapters 6-9. The greek terms were: αὐτόματα "acting of one's own will, of oneself, self acting" Thomas translated this 2 or three times in Chapter as...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, book05, chap06, chap07, chap08, chap09, proclus
Stephanos sections 130b,142a Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 6, Chapter 24. Attendees Pierre, JulieH, JeffL, RobertO, Regina, Barbara Credits Recording, title, and highlights: Barbara Chart Photo(s): JeffL, Regina Original Location...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 155d (P237), 154e (P231), 155c (P233), 154d-155d (P228-P234) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, JulieH, Eldar, Jed, JeffS Continuing (from Monday ) with doxa (δόξα) at P237/155d: Trying to find it in the 2nd hypothesis. Why/how can he use it here? What did he do in the 2nd hyp that qualifies? Besides "opinion", Doxa could also be "belief", "appearance", "reputation", "expectation", or...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 132c-133c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Topics Touched Upon 2nd Infinite Regress problem The problem of participation again (P34) Difficulties/blockages to Self Ousia aded (P35) Problems with our (current, mainstream) fascist educational model More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group The text we use the most: Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The...
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book02;chap02 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, David, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads the NS Parmenides study group through another day of study of Proclus' Theology of Plato(*) . After some warm-up chit-chat and Iliad discussion, we try to start into Book 2, Chapter 3, but JeffS brings up a contradiction he sees with that passage and a passage in Chapter 2 preceding. So we go into it, and spend the rest of the session looking at a sentence...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 145a 145b 145c 145d 145e 145a 145b 145c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Nancy, JulieH, Eldar, BillG, JeffS 1. If you are wearing headphones: Left ear: Pierre and Barbara Right ear: The rest of us + my own calling out of what Pierre is drawing or pointing to on the diagram 2. I did not take notes today and please feel free to contribute some, which I will post here gratefully. (Send to my personal email or to info@noeticsociety.org.)  Even as...
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Stephanos section 156c A really fun morning. This is the passage that got Pierre into the Parmenides when he was in college. It really opens up the door to the world of ideas for many of us, and we discussed this. Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Eldar, Nancy, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3 Sections: 156b 156c 156d 156e 157a 157b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Bradley, Yoni, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp8 Sections: 165a,145a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, David, Bradley, Sayon, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanos sections: 143d,144d,144c,145a-e,142d,146e Is it worthwhile knowing how Parmenides overcomes Aristoteles' objections? Parmenides study ends at 1hr37min (political chit-chat after that) Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley, Nancy, Josh, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanos sections (Phaedo): 79c 79d 81c 81d 114b 114c 114d 114e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, Kevin, Josh, JeffS PG's opening question (see diagram): Is the Theseus myth in the beginning of the Phaedo the controlling feature for understanding the dialogue? Same question, now re-formulated as an ANALOGY, with a blank to fill in: IF.. In the Theseus myth (at the beginning of the Phaedo), there are 14 + theseus who go to Crete to destroy the Minotaur, and he returns triumphantly to...
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Stephanos sections: 133c 133d 133e 134a 134b 134c 134d 134e 135a 135b 135c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, JulieP, Yoni, Bradley, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanus sections: 129e,130a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, JeffS Parmenides discussion starts at 15m:13s. Initial discussion is of two books(*) Pierre is considering looking into with the morning group, and a review of his visit to a weekend men's conference. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, "Mirror, Mirror" , by Wagner Machado Carlos Lemes. Downloaded from Flickr on Oct 24, 2016,...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp5 Sections: 159b-160b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, KevinG, Eldar 0:00:30 warm-up / pre-discussion 0:08:30 start hyp5 P1 He is stressing at opening of the 5th that the 4th hypothesis is very clear (skip about 48 minutes.. I took notes, then lost them, ugh.) In any duality, how did that first distinction arise? Difference Pierre with JulieH: Could anything be engineered without the existence of numbers? Of a circle / radii? Is there any...
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