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Stephanos sections 163b-164b (yes, there is distortion at higher volumes on the right stereo channel. it's not you. i had the gain up too high on the 2nd mike. mea culpa. -JS) Pierre Grimes with Noetic Society members Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Yoni, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: plato, philosophy, ideas, self, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp7, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 143b 143c 143d 143e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Nancy, Bradley, JulieP, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSSAT, pg1
Synopsis Another Sunday afternoon with Pierre and members of the NS. Pierre helps a few members through some questions they've been having on their recent reading. Highlights One, Being (verb), Ousia (noun): difference? 3:12 And what kinds of things can be said to have “being”? What is “Being”? 3:19 anything that Beauty and Truth share? 3:21 Must anything you are going to call, “being”, be an idea (a beholding, not a concept) something that may be beheld 3:24 Can ideas (eidos,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, elements, euclid
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 158a-d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Sayon, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, Crop Circles 59 , courtesy Le Petit Poulailler on Flickr , CC BY-NC-ND 2.0
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp5 Sections: 159b-160b (P1-P18) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, JulieP, Eldar Notes How is 5 or 6 necessary, after hyp4? The Role of 'Difference' Rejection of the idea of likeness and unlikeness being inherent in the selves (in the 5th) Therefore, we can turn it around and say, is it not interesting that likeness and unlikeness ARE inherent in selves? For if they were inherent in selves, they could then be said to be like and unlike....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp5
Dialogue(s): commentary-on-platos-parmenides;parmenides Sections: 628,663,689,703 [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, commentary-on-platos-parmenides, parmenides
Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp5;hyp9 Sections: 159b-160b,165e-166c Stephanus Pages, Explicit (for searching): 159b 160a 160b 160c 160d 160e 165e 166a 166b 166c [Thanks to StefanR for title and Stephanus pages] More info: http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp5, hyp9, nsaops
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9 Attendees: Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, Crop Circles 27 , courtesy Le Petit Poulailler on Flickr , CC BY-NC-ND 2.0
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp9
Dialogue(s): commentary-on-platos-parmenides Sections: 1009,732-734 [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, commentary-on-platos-parmenides, parmenides, proclus
Synopsis A fun but rigorous Saturday morning, Jitsi'ing with Pierre. He starts over with having us as a group read the 1st hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides (*), and watching how Parmenides reasons, in a curious way that we moderns are not familiar with, to reason about the One-Self. Topic Highlights and Pierre' s Questions [This section is under construction: These are not complete.. I could not keep up today. Will have to edit and add more notes later. It was just too good and the points were...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSPRM
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Synopsis Saturday morning with Pierre, starting again with ‘part’ and ‘whole’ in the opening lines of the first hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . (We use the Balboa translation .) Highlights Hellos to Eve and Niko Belinda: What can we say about the Self? Is it Intellect Intellecting the Intelligible? Continuing yesterday’s discussion In order for a part to become a part of a whole, must it fit symmetrically? Why did ‘God’ give us symmetry? I.e., What is the origina of symmetry?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, proclus, commentary-first-alcibiades
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130b-e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, JeffS Timaeus 29e on Likeness , "This principle, then, we shall be wholly right in accepting from men of wisdom as being above all the supreme originating principle of Becoming and the Cosmos." Jung, archetypes, participation (and the problems with this). Huston Smith The History of the Kabbalah (and Jewish Platonists in southern Spain) Working from Plato's Parmenides: The...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg;hyp1 Sections: 128c 128d 128e 129a 129b 129c 129e 129e 130a 130b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Eldar, Nancy, JeffS Note: if anyone would like to contribute notes, please email them to me and i will paste them here in the description section. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image pointilism courtesy of Flickr user aesthetics of crisis (aestheticsofcrisis) under a CC BY-NC-SA 2.0...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, plg, hyp1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 143c 143d 144c 144d 144e 145a 145b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Nancy, Eldar, Bill, JeffS Beginning to 41:00 - Regina's question on couples 143c,d 41:30 to end - Discussion on whole, parts, singular, plural 144c-145b Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp8,hyp4 Sections: 165c-165e (P20-P24), 158b (P15) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Eldar, Regina 165c P20 additions: "and by appearing to be like.." Comparing the 8th hypothesis here to the shadows on the wall of the allegory of the Cave (in The Republic) 0:16:40 P22 What is a phantasm? Does its origin lie in "the different"? In any universe, if there are 2 things, and one is a phantom of the other, there is a fundamental difference...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp8, hyp4
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis After first exploring two dreams , we continue our puzzling today on the first hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . Pierre opens it up and asks those of us who have been reading and studying in it what questions we have. We get a good question or two to look at, but at the end Pierre asks tus to bring more questions next time. As usual, we use the translation from our own Juan and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
Title Plato: Lysis; Proclus: Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides DDDAS and the Virtues (and their Lack) in Every Past Pathologos Scene Synopsis We were supposed to start this beginner/dialogue track this Friday night, with Plato’s Lysis . It was to be a beginner’s meeting, but it ends up being advanced, talking about Proclus after all, and DDDAS (Definition, Demonstration, Division, Analysis and Synthesis), as well as the Virtues and Philosophical Midwifery. Highlights Why Lysis? Why did...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, lysis, commentary-on-parmenides, book05, proclus
Synopsis Another great, but challenging Sunday with Pierre. We get into mapping/matching a) the first 12 steps (of the 24) of Proclus’ demonstration of the dialectic on Providence , from his Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides onto b) the 12 mundane gods listed (in 4 triads) in Proclus’ Theology of Plato , Book 6, Chapter 22. Mostly we use the Balboa translations of these, but a bit of the Morrow and Dillon ( Commentary.. ). See Resources, below. Highlights [Note: My notes, as usual are...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, commentary-on-parmenides, theology-of-plato, book05, book06, chap22,...
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Stephanos sections 163b-164b Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Nancy, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp7, pg1
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Stefanos sections: 129b-c,136b-c From Barbara: A smallish group today: Gina, Dave, Brad, Me, Pierre, and Josh. Pierre began the session by asking, "Is it worthwhile being clear about what Parmenides says the nature and power of that which can destroy the dialectic?" We started at 135B-C. Pierre asked about this passage, "Is this a perfect description of Socrates?" Then we went to Socrates at 129 B-C to examine Socrates' position to see if it matched. Then we went back to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, plg, pg1
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Stefanos sections: 127e,136a Barbara's notes: Greetings, included is today's audio. And a chart picture by Brad. Present: Pierre, Barbara, David, Bradley, Josh, Kevin, Regina, Yoni Sorry but this tape starts a bit late, maybe 3 minutes. Pierre speaks increasingly softly as the class progressed. We become increasingly quiet. I push the tape recorder ever closer. He nudges it away. However, I'm hoping it's clear to you. I haven't checked. The subject of the discussion might be described as...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 135e,136a-c Attendees: Pierre, Eldar, Barbara, Regina, JulieH Synopsis Working to understand Parmenides' description of the 'exercise' that Socrates should engage himself in. We have also in the past discussions referred to this as a 'dialectic', with 8 parts. Proclus also expands on it (to 24) in his Commentary. Highlights 0:00:30 to 0:19:00 Regina's pseudo-question re 135e, P56 19:00 Barbara - translation issues at P56 "can":...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133e-134b Synopsis We work our way through the "Master Argument" -- the section of the prologue of Plato's Parmenides dialogue dealing with the largest problem with Socrates' "Theory of Forms". Timeline 0:00:00 Pierre starts out with an outline to the concepts of "mastership", "benefit", and "art", in the Platonic senses. (Most of these taken from the Republic.) Philosophy thus resulting as the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg
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Dialogue/Work(s): Theology of Plato, Parmenides Author(s): Proclus, Plato Book(s): 1 Chapter(s): IX & X Topics Covered: referencing points in the Parmenides the reasons for the high rank of the Parmenides the elevation of dialectic over the doxastic method Pierre explaining dialectic as imitating the progression of beings from the One The One, henads and divine beings (Thanks to BillD for recording and StefanR for reviewing, titling, cataloguing, and notes.) More info:...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, proclus, theology-of-plato, book1, chap9, chap10,...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 129a 129b 129c 129d 129e 130a 130b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley What does Parmenides find so admirable? Is it possible that if they are ideas in the Platonic sense, that everything participates in them? The use of auto Do you put the idea of 'Self' in the class of ideas? (If so, then there is a class of ideas which are not participable.) If the Self could be in a class of participable ideas, then there would be something...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, plg
Synopsis Sunday afternoon with Pierre. I start recording with a talk Ged is already in the middle of with Pierre. Then we discuss the relevance of the Theaetetus and Midwifery to the talk with Ged. Then we get into the Parmenides with Eldar’s question about Rest and Motion Highlights PMW with Ged on knowledge and understanding Pierre suggests Ged read the Theaetetus and look both at the beginning (about 149a onward) for introducing a potential pregnant party / interlocutor to midwifery, and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theaetetus, parmenides, NSPMW
Synopsis A Wednesday afternoon group meet with Pierre. Highlights Discussion of Cause and Providence What is a Cause? What is Providence (pronoia in Greek)? The Mind seeing with the Mind ‘Agathos Eidos’: The Beheld Good The Power: the Daimon, bringing about a personal communication with the Higher Eternal There’s a power that understands every single problem, and in every way is trying to help: That’s Providence Barbara’s Dream Exploration Analyzing and answering Jed’s question...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, commentary-on-parmenides, chap5, proclus, NSDRM
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Dialogue(s): Parmenides, Republic More info: http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSEM, pg1, parmenides, republic
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130b 130c 130d 130e Attendees: Pierre, David, Barbara, Regina, Brian, Bradley, JulieP, JeffS picking up from where we left off at the recent seminar.. if our assumption is that the idea of the Self is playing an interesting role in this work, let's see what Parmenides does after Socrates unearths it 130b each one of the ideas appears to possess a self 2 classes of ideas: those that are participatory, and those that are not is Parmenides making a...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, plg
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Pierre continues to walk us through (‘DDDAS’) and now also the 24 categories of the Parmenidean / Proclean dialectic, in Book 5 of Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides , all ostensibly with an eye to what is going on in Plato’s dialogue, Lysis . Highlights Why is Socrates continuing through a formal talk with Menexenus, when it is obvious he is not following? Why is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, lysis, commentary-on-parmenides, book05, proclus
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read the 4th Hypothesis. Attendees Pierre, David, Regina, Barbara Highlights We started again at 158B, at the beginning of Hypothesis 4 and I labored at making a fine distinction, but didn't. Then we picked up where we had left off and went to the end of the Fourth or 159B. Pierre was pursuing the question, if there's, in fact, reasoning by examination, and reasoning by Logos which is also based on...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp4
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Stephanos sections 142b-143a Different vs Other (cf 141b) One - Being - Ousia - Self again -- various takes This is an incredibly complicated discussion, and we would have benefited with video, or at least someone calling out the shots as Pierre drew. But tomorrow helps ameliorate the frustration a bit. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp2, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 157b-159b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar Synopsis: Our Parmenides study group continues on once again into the fourth hypothesis. Pierre extends his diagram from yesterday , but only at the bottom.  We read through the entirety of the hypothesis, focusing on several sections. The most work is put into P15 (top of 158b) by virtue of its importance but also ambiguity and multiple interpretations in the original Greek. Notes:...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp4
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9,hyp1 Sections: 137b,137c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Eldar, JulieH, Regina Synopsis We looked at whether picture thinking was or was not in the 9th Hypothesis. We considered the First Hypothesis in contrast with the Ninth. While Pierre went to the board and made a vertical line with the 1st and 9th on either side we added only one line which I think was mentioned on the tape. That is, I think, a work in progress. The diagram -- simple as it was --...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, hyp9
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9 Sections: 165e-166c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Eldar, JulieH, Regina We started with a question from Eldar. "How is the fifth hypothesis 'Image Thinking'?" For those of you who weren't at the seminar, Pierre went through all the hypotheses in terms of the divided line. Learning how to think allegorically -- mapping each term (and its function) in the Cave allegory to a deeper principle. The question of the meaning of daylight and its opposition...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp5, hyp9
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3;hyp2 Sections: 157a 142b 142c 142d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, Yoni, JeffS Basic Topics Discussed: - "The Logos Unfolds the Nature of the Self" - "Following the Trail of the Logos" - 142c "whereas our present hypothesis is not Self .. - Aristoteles' understanding is pretty sharp   - he knows that if the One Is, that automatically means participation in Ousia   - but he does have a problem with...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp3, hyp2
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3, hyp7 Sections: 156b,163b-164b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Ingmar, Sayon, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, Crop Circles 36 , courtesy Le Petit Poulailler on Flickr , CC BY-NC-ND 2.0
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp3, hyp7
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Stephanos sections 142b,142d,137c-141a,141d From Barbara: "David started with a summary of his seeing from the Second. He saw clearly the distinctions and unity developed in the 2nd hypothesis for to hen, to esti, on, and ousia. He referenced 142D and on from that point. When that had settled, Pierre went to 142B5. (It should be mentioned and may not be on the video that Saturday, at the end, as we were leaving, Pierre ask the Parmenides group where in the Parmenides we wanted to go. I...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp2, hyp1, pg1
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Stephanos sections: 130b,130c,130d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley Barbara's notes Hi, Jeff, Juan, Maria, Julie and Yoni, Another amazing talk with PG. There's a bit of a talk at the beginning about Pierre's motivational study at GWC, about types of students who go on probation, i.e. selfers, future carreerists, vocationals, and high-schoolers. We began the study at 130B and continued from there. If you want a bit of audio that precedes this where Gina is talking about...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, plg, pg1
Synopsis Pierre Grimes, PhD leads the Noetic Society through another brilliant weekend seminar increasing our understanding. This time Pierre helps us re-consider the training of the philosopher-king from the perspective of the One-Self ('emptiness', 'non-atman', etc.) vs Divine Luminosity ('bliss', 'Mind', etc.), via references from books 6 and 7 of Plato's "Republic", as translated by our own Juan and Maria Balboa , and via the hypotheses laid out in the Balboa translation of...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSEM, pg1, republic, parmenides, mysticism, book06, book07, hyp1, hyp2
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Hypothesis 8. Attendees Pierre, JulieH, Regina, Barbara Highlights We worked solely on the 8th Hypothesis exploring it to see if PMW (philosophical midwifery) and Pierre's concept of the pathologos could be mapped over all the major distinctions of the Eighth. We'll return to this study on Friday 9/27 . Credits Recording, title, and highlights: Barbara Chart Photo: Regina Original Location...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp8
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Searches through the platonic and neo-platonic texts for a particular word or words, and Greek translation issues and snippets to help us in our study. List: 2017-07-21 Barbara: Logos in Parmenides Citations Only 2017-08-04 Barbara: Vocabulary of Dialectic on Providence More info: Pierre Grimes The Noetic Society (http://noeticsociety.org) Parmenides Morning Study Group Our main collection page here at archive.org
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4;hyp8 Sections: 158c (P19-P21), 164c-165b (P8-P17) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, JulieH, Eldar Re-reading hyp4: 158c (P19-P21) to compare with hyp8 regarding infinite multitude Then hyp8, starting with P8 (164c) Infinite multitude, both in 4 & 8, but going to different conclusions Sudden appearance, here, like a dream Does it help to come to a general idea of what each of these hypotheses can represent, so that then you can use the idea once you...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp4, hyp8
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp5 Sections: 159b 159c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David (at end), Regina, Nancy, Eldar, Bradley Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp8 (8th hypothesis) Sections: 164b-165e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina The Puzzles in the 8th 164e P11 Pierre emphasizes: watch the "some" Two groups among the selves: even and odd P13 What does "IN selves" mean? Why does he use δόξει (doxei) and φαίνεται (phainetai)? P14 a phantom of equality P15 P16 The smaller is surfaced again It starts with "something" Barbara reads P17-P24 17:55 Reviewing: P13...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp8
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 132a 132b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar Initial discussion on the problems with our current education system, then.. Understanding the paragraph at 132A Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis In today’s Wednesday Parmenides meeting via Jitsi, Pierre first helps Sean explore a recent dream . Then Pierre opens up study of the Plato’s Parmenides (using the Balboa translation ) at P1-001 (the first sentence of the first hypothesis) and asks if there is a better reason than Proclus gives, for why the very first sentence on the One should refer to the Many!? In the second...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 143d 143e 144a 144b 144c 144d 144e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Josh, JulieH, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning with Pierre on Jitsi! What a super way to end (and re-start) the week. Topic Highlights Barbara’s discussion with Pierre on … Dream with Eldar Cause in the Ion , with DonB Robin’s Dream with JeffL 11:18am is Socrates showing evidence of possessing an art (in the Ion )? Must one use their knowledge to benefit the subject, which brings them into a better state of mind? Likewise, in Plato’s dialogue, Parmenides , did Socrates benefit in any way from...
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Synopsis On this Saturday morning, Eldar, Sayon, and Kevin explore their dreams with Pierre. Highlights Some initial discussion of Proclus’ dialectic in his Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides (per ChrisC). Exploration of Eldar’s, Sayon’s, and Kevin’s dreams with Pierre midwifing Dream Texts Eldar’s Dream I was riding my bike down a parking garage and I came to a spot where I jumped down from a considerably tall ledge onto a lower level. At the same time I was hearing an advertisement...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 147b-148a (P103-P116),126b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, Jed, JeffS Continuing working on the 2nd hypothesis in Plato's dialogue, Parmenides 0:00:30 Pierre suggests picking up with David's difficulty regarding same/different David describes his 'dyslexia' - couldn't even just "read the words". 0:06:20 146b Discussion proper begins with Pierre writing out a question on the diagram: What does Parmenides need in...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp2
Stephanos sections 130b,142a Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, plg, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 155d (P237), 154e (P231), 155c (P233), 154d-155d (P228-P234) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, JulieH, Eldar, Jed, JeffS Continuing (from Monday ) with doxa (δόξα) at P237/155d: Trying to find it in the 2nd hypothesis. Why/how can he use it here? What did he do in the 2nd hyp that qualifies? Besides "opinion", Doxa could also be "belief", "appearance", "reputation", "expectation", or...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp2
Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 132c-133c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Topics Touched Upon 2nd Infinite Regress problem The problem of participation again (P34) Difficulties/blockages to Self Ousia aded (P35) Problems with our (current, mainstream) fascist educational model More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group The text we use the most: Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 145a 145b 145c 145d 145e 145a 145b 145c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Nancy, JulieH, Eldar, BillG, JeffS 1. If you are wearing headphones: Left ear: Pierre and Barbara Right ear: The rest of us + my own calling out of what Pierre is drawing or pointing to on the diagram 2. I did not take notes today and please feel free to contribute some, which I will post here gratefully. (Send to my personal email or to info@noeticsociety.org.)  Even as...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp2
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Stephanos section 156c A really fun morning. This is the passage that got Pierre into the Parmenides when he was in college. It really opens up the door to the world of ideas for many of us, and we discussed this. Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Eldar, Nancy, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp3, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3 Sections: 156b 156c 156d 156e 157a 157b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Bradley, Yoni, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3 Sections: 155e-157b Stephanus Pages, Explicit (for searching): 155e 156a 156b 156c 156d 156e 157a 157b [Thanks to StefanR for title and Stephanus pages] More info: http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp3, nsaops
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp8 Sections: 165a,145a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, David, Bradley, Sayon, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanos sections: 143d,144d,144c,145a-e,142d,146e Is it worthwhile knowing how Parmenides overcomes Aristoteles' objections? Parmenides study ends at 1hr37min (political chit-chat after that) Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley, Nancy, Josh, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanos sections (Phaedo): 79c 79d 81c 81d 114b 114c 114d 114e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, Kevin, Josh, JeffS PG's opening question (see diagram): Is the Theseus myth in the beginning of the Phaedo the controlling feature for understanding the dialogue? Same question, now re-formulated as an ANALOGY, with a blank to fill in: IF.. In the Theseus myth (at the beginning of the Phaedo), there are 14 + theseus who go to Crete to destroy the Minotaur, and he returns triumphantly to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, phaedo, pg1, soul
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Stephanos sections: 133c 133d 133e 134a 134b 134c 134d 134e 135a 135b 135c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, JulieP, Yoni, Bradley, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanus sections: 129e,130a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, JeffS Parmenides discussion starts at 15m:13s. Initial discussion is of two books(*) Pierre is considering looking into with the morning group, and a review of his visit to a weekend men's conference. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, "Mirror, Mirror" , by Wagner Machado Carlos Lemes. Downloaded from Flickr on Oct 24, 2016,...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp5 Sections: 159b-160b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, KevinG, Eldar 0:00:30 warm-up / pre-discussion 0:08:30 start hyp5 P1 He is stressing at opening of the 5th that the 4th hypothesis is very clear (skip about 48 minutes.. I took notes, then lost them, ugh.) In any duality, how did that first distinction arise? Difference Pierre with JulieH: Could anything be engineered without the existence of numbers? Of a circle / radii? Is there any...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp5
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 142b-143a Stephanus Pages, Explicit (for searching): 142b 142c 142d 142e 143a [Thanks to StefanR for title and Stephanus pages] More info: http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp2, nsaops
Dialogue(s): commentary-on-platos-parmenides;parmenides Sections: 888,880,924,949,879,873 [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp6 Sections: 162a 162b 161e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley Note to listeners: I think there was a chart briefly referred to a couple of times today (perhaps from a previous day), but I never got it. -JS (needchart) Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, eclipse , courtesy joern meisterjahn on Flickr , CC BY-NC-SA 2.0
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp6
Dialogue(s): commentary-on-platos-parmenides [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Dialogue(s): commentary-on-platos-parmenides Sections: Proclus - Commentary on Plato's Parmenides [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp6 Sections: 161a 161b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Yoni, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp5;hyp9 Sections: 166c,160b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar From Barbara's email to me, when she sent along her recording: Hi, Jeff Eldar should send the chart, added to from yesterday. At the beginning I talked a little about translating most of H9. And a very interesting translation of one part of 9 about the opinion of the many. We actually examined the question of how the conclusion to H9 related to the rest of the hypotheses...
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Synopsis After exploring JeffL’s dream , Pierre has us look again at the first few lines of the First Hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . Highlights (with JulieH) reading of first three lines of Hyp1 (2018-jas-formatted version) How do the parts know where to go? Do some wholes comprehend the parts, and others do not? How does a part become a part of a whole? Is Part/Whole an invention we’ve made? Where does the Intelligibility come from? As you look at the first page now, the first 5...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130a 130b 130c 130d 130e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieP, BrianM Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg “abstract” by Sweetie187 is licensed under CC BY 2.0
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 141e-142a License CC BY-NC-ND (Attribution, Non-Commercial, No-Derivates) 4.0 International http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/ More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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