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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Dialogue(s): Parmenides, Republic More info: http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSEM, pg1, parmenides, republic
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Stephanos sections: 130b,130c,130d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley Barbara's notes Hi, Jeff, Juan, Maria, Julie and Yoni, Another amazing talk with PG. There's a bit of a talk at the beginning about Pierre's motivational study at GWC, about types of students who go on probation, i.e. selfers, future carreerists, vocationals, and high-schoolers. We began the study at 130B and continued from there. If you want a bit of audio that precedes this where Gina is talking about...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, plg, pg1
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The "Betrayal of Philosophy" weekend seminar held August 6-7, 2016. 5 Sessions. Sarah W and Oralia B-R are working currently on adding tagging and notes which will show up in this section once they are finished. Stay tuned! (Thank you, Sarah and Oralia!) See also the PDF of the announcement, and the JPEG images of the board. Behold! http://noeticsociety.org
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Stephanos sections 142b,142d,137c-141a,141d From Barbara: "David started with a summary of his seeing from the Second. He saw clearly the distinctions and unity developed in the 2nd hypothesis for to hen, to esti, on, and ousia. He referenced 142D and on from that point. When that had settled, Pierre went to 142B5. (It should be mentioned and may not be on the video that Saturday, at the end, as we were leaving, Pierre ask the Parmenides group where in the Parmenides we wanted to go. I...
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Stephanos sections 163b-164b (yes, there is distortion at higher volumes on the right stereo channel. it's not you. i had the gain up too high on the 2nd mike. mea culpa. -JS) Pierre Grimes with Noetic Society members Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Yoni, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: plato, philosophy, ideas, self, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp7, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130b-e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, JeffS Timaeus 29e on Likeness , "This principle, then, we shall be wholly right in accepting from men of wisdom as being above all the supreme originating principle of Becoming and the Cosmos." Jung, archetypes, participation (and the problems with this). Huston Smith The History of the Kabbalah (and Jewish Platonists in southern Spain) Working from Plato's Parmenides: The...
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Stephanos sections 163b-164b Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Nancy, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stefanos sections: 129b-c,136b-c From Barbara: A smallish group today: Gina, Dave, Brad, Me, Pierre, and Josh. Pierre began the session by asking, "Is it worthwhile being clear about what Parmenides says the nature and power of that which can destroy the dialectic?" We started at 135B-C. Pierre asked about this passage, "Is this a perfect description of Socrates?" Then we went to Socrates at 129 B-C to examine Socrates' position to see if it matched. Then we went back to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, plg, pg1
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Stefanos sections: 127e,136a Barbara's notes: Greetings, included is today's audio. And a chart picture by Brad. Present: Pierre, Barbara, David, Bradley, Josh, Kevin, Regina, Yoni Sorry but this tape starts a bit late, maybe 3 minutes. Pierre speaks increasingly softly as the class progressed. We become increasingly quiet. I push the tape recorder ever closer. He nudges it away. However, I'm hoping it's clear to you. I haven't checked. The subject of the discussion might be described as...
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Stephanos sections 142b-143a Different vs Other (cf 141b) One - Being - Ousia - Self again -- various takes This is an incredibly complicated discussion, and we would have benefited with video, or at least someone calling out the shots as Pierre drew. But tomorrow helps ameliorate the frustration a bit. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp2, pg1
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music pierre's early discovery of oriental literature and a bookstore in NYC that carried it war stories st johns work money / gold standard, people who know how to play the game, johns hopkins international money program, hillary clinton revolving door with her grants, gold, how is money made, produced, manipulated? next time: phaedo does the soul have self?
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1
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Stephanos sections: 59a,59b,59c,59d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley, Sayon, Alex, JeffS What's the Phaedo all about? Self - αυτοσ (autos) - these are the first and last words of the Phaedo! Why? Why would a well-known Pythagorean like Echecrates start off with that interesting question, that starts the dialogue? What would happen if someone who had an interest in the Parmenides now picked up the Phaedo? (..of course, this is what we're now doing.) What would they...
Topics: philosophy, plato, phaedo, NSPRM, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp5 Sections: 159b 159c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David (at end), Regina, Nancy, Eldar, Bradley Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanos section 156c A really fun morning. This is the passage that got Pierre into the Parmenides when he was in college. It really opens up the door to the world of ideas for many of us, and we discussed this. Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Eldar, Nancy, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp3, pg1
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Jung, Self, One, Soul (bad/missing sound at beginning for first few minutes.) http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3 Sections: 156b 156c 156d 156e 157a 157b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Bradley, Yoni, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanos sections 130b,142a Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Today we met in David's zendo to explore dreams from 6 of our members. http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, dreams, NSDRM, pg1
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Stephanos sections: 146d-147c Is everything you're looking at you, or different than you? How can the One be different from the others and from itself and the same/self with the others and the same/self with itself? Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Eldar, JeffS. Outside at Regina's again. Pardon all the ambient/background noise. To shut all that out and make it easier to hear, I'll need to set PG up with a dynamic headset microphone, and bring the better recorder. Working from Plato's...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp2, pg1
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Stephanos sections: 143d,144d,144c,145a-e,142d,146e Is it worthwhile knowing how Parmenides overcomes Aristoteles' objections? Parmenides study ends at 1hr37min (political chit-chat after that) Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley, Nancy, Josh, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanos sections: 133c 133d 133e 134a 134b 134c 134d 134e 135a 135b 135c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, JulieP, Yoni, Bradley, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanos sections (Phaedo): 79c 79d 81c 81d 114b 114c 114d 114e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, Kevin, Josh, JeffS PG's opening question (see diagram): Is the Theseus myth in the beginning of the Phaedo the controlling feature for understanding the dialogue? Same question, now re-formulated as an ANALOGY, with a blank to fill in: IF.. In the Theseus myth (at the beginning of the Phaedo), there are 14 + theseus who go to Crete to destroy the Minotaur, and he returns triumphantly to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, phaedo, pg1, soul
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Stephanus sections: 129e,130a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, JeffS Parmenides discussion starts at 15m:13s. Initial discussion is of two books(*) Pierre is considering looking into with the morning group, and a review of his visit to a weekend men's conference. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, "Mirror, Mirror" , by Wagner Machado Carlos Lemes. Downloaded from Flickr on Oct 24, 2016,...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 158b 158c 158d 158e 159a 159b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Nancy, Yoni, Bradley Parmenides discussion proper starts at 0:04:55 and ends at 1:20:00.  After that a discussion of comparing languages for their ability/disability to express/communicate metaphysics, and cultures. From Barbara: We started at 158C, or Parmenides 21 (Pierre took us back to Parmenides 18--not as he would have it Parm. 11
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp4
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Stephanos sections 143d,142d,144a-e,145c Picking up with the question of whether the generation of numbers must include the idea of the Self How many selves can we enumerate in the text? (8 so far found today) The Present-to-all / Immediacy (sail) problem Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley, Nancy, Josh, Yoni, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanos sections: 147b,146d-e,147a Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Eldar, Nancy, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Photo from Mon Œil on Flickr and under a Creative Commons 2.0 Attribution license at time of retrieval.
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Stephanos sections: 136c (only as the starting point for the tangential discussion) We started with David showing PG that he has been working on a better translation of Tuesday's crucial challenge from Socrates to Parmenides (136c), "..but why not unfold yourself in detail a hypothesis Self for me.." (or some such) this propelled us into a complete morning of interesting tangential subjects but unfortunately no Parmenides study.. We archive it, anyway. - ..that David had found a hole...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, plg, pg1, tangents, open_discussion
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Stephanos sections: 128e 129a 129b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Brad, Kevin, Josh Jeff's Notes: kevin's homework report (having looked at 80 and 81 in the phaedo) - the soul is.. what did you learn about the Self? soul is akin to the divine. where is the soul? when the soul separates from the body, is it intact? does one experience the soul as some kind of entity? in 80 (phaedo) when the soul is separated from the body, does he describe it in terms of the Self? picking up...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, plg, pg1
Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3 Sections: 155e 156a 156b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Yoni, JulieH, Adina, Bradley, JeffS We struggled with how to understand "It"-- as the One, or as the Self, and several other related questions. Really just a continuation of Thursday's discussion, trying to wrap our heads around the opening of the third hypothesis, and what is really being said, here, and what are the relationships between Self, One, Many, Being, Time,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp3
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3 Sections: 156b 156c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, Yoni, Bradley, JeffS From JeffS: A fascinating morning for me, although perhaps I belabored points brought up many times before. Yet it is still a struggle, and yet it still arrives at the absurdity of continuity/motion. Thus "snapshots at rest" interspersed by "gaps" ("suddens"). Mind running it all. Wow. Fun. Unifying. But definitely not p-o-v of current...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp3
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Stephanos sections (Phaedo): 79b-79d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, Alex, JeffS PG: - what did you experience when you were separated from your body? - once separated from the body, did you experience the self and the soul? - how did you know that the self was seeing the soul? - you need to know the mythology at the end of this dialogue, in order to understand the point that he is making. - several places, "soul" is really "auto" (Self) and should be...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, phaedo, pg1
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Did we conclude regarding One / Self / One-Self? If so, what? What is a conclusion? What is Parmenides' position / hypothesis? One is or one is not Beethoven's symphonies Reflection is required Truth itself (not "a truth") Modern / European denial of the Self Huston Smith, Joe Campbell, Alan Watts, Ron Hathaway, even Thomas Taylor -- all had problems dealing with "the Self" Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Yoni. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, hyp1, pg1
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Please forgive the audio and video problems. I got there late to record. Audio was patched in from multiple sources. http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg;2nd;3rd; Sections: 137b,155e (brief references to these, but today was really a discussion of a rewriting of the entire work as a whole). Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, JulieH, Sayon, JeffS Should the Parmenides hypotheses be re-written for completion and clarity? Why was it made so obscure? Did Plato want us to go through everything we had to, to get here? Is a clear structure / strategy helpful to reader? (And it is possible to...
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Pierre asked the group: "What is it like to hold fast to the question (á là Xenophanes (1)), 'What is seeing, hearing, thinking?' "(2) (1) οὐλος ὁραι, οὐλος δε νοει, οὐλος δε τ' ἀκουει -- "He sees as a whole, he thinks as a whole, he hears as a whole", or better, "It is the whole that sees, the whole that thinks, the whole that hears." - Xenophanes fragment B24 (2) I want to call this, "the Platonic koan" --js This...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSFRI, pg1, xenophanes
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 128b-c, 129a-b, 130b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Bradley, Eldar, JulieH, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130e-132b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieP, JeffS w/JulieH's family pathologos: "emminent likelihood of failure" w/JeffS: empiricists want the arrow to go from evidence to noema (i.e., right to left) Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 129e 130a 130b 130c 130d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Bradley, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, Center of No One's Attention , courtesy Guian Bolisay on Flickr , CC BY-SA 2.0
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"The Study of Analogy and Logos in Plato's Parmenides" weekend seminar held April 9-10, 2016. Five sessions. see also the PDF of the seminar announcement, and the intro talk the Friday night before the seminar. http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, pg1, parmenides, analogy, NSSEM
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Stephanos sections: 147b-c From Barbara: "After a summary dialogue of the points made yesterday, Pierre began today's Parmenides talk at the analogy 147B (third Parmenides). With respect to that analogy Pierre made the comment that, "The more you spend your time on this conclusion, the more you'll see the necessity for the arguments that precede it. There is a discussion of the grammar of heteros in the following Parmenides, i.e. that it takes the genitive and what that distinction...
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Stephanos sections: 131a 131b 131c 131d 131e 132a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, Bradley, Yoni, Nancy, JeffS Socrates' problem with using concepts The Problem of Semantics Whitehead/Russell Logical Positivism Jeff's "kensho" - Pierre sees that Jeff's problem with the infinite regress is his inability to leave the phenomenal/physical world (the first level of things) Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info:...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130e-131c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, Kevin, JulieH, Sayon, JeffS The problems with the Self in The Day. The Sail, etc. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 hyp5 Sections: 159a 159b 159c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Yoni, JeffS discussion of poor user interface of TLG parmenides discussion proper starts at 0:05:55 hyp4  - is The Self being referred to by αυτοσ (in 159a)? if it is only referring to 'those different' then why is it being used? upon leaving i forgot to take a snapshot of today's diagram/board (referred to at 0:30:00) but it only has one thing: the question, "Does...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp6 Sections: 160d 160e 161a 161b 161e 162a Attendees: pierre, barbara, regina, eldar, nancy, julieH, bradley pierre puts a question on the board jung - doesn't see that the role of understanding is to prepare the mind for insight Is and what the logos includes Does Self have a bond of non-being? What about Being? same? Terms necessary for following this argument the Self has the ability to make distinctions between being and non-being Reasoning about...
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Ingmar and rhetoric in the Gorgias dialogue eta endings Exploration of Eldar's Dream Barbara - pathologoses Pierre: 2nd part of Goethe's Faust - magnificent conclusion to the challenge of Mephistopheles - the perfect society, and living under the fear of the collapse of the dikes: eternal vigilance - "Hold thou fairest moment" http://noeticsociety.org
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Stephanos sections: 128c-e,135e-136b - Showing Socrates what Zeno has been working through: the "the other side" hypotheses: Instead of Parmenides' "If the One exists or the One does not exist" hypotheses, Zeno's hypotheses are, "if the Many exist, or if the Many do not exist." This is much more sophisticated and complex than Socrates's initial understanding. - The Self running through all of the above. - Is re-creating Zeno's hypotheses, too, our...
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Stephanos sections 156c-157b Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanus sections: 136c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, JeffS If you were to do the dialectic of Zeno, how would you set it up, to do section (4) of Parmenides' dialectic? Alt: What are the difficulties you encounter in setting it up in order to proceed with the dialectic? We read from Proclus's commentary ( Morrow/Dillon translation ), pages 365, 366, 358, 359, 354, 19, 20. 1 We look over how Proclus runs the dialectic over Providence, Likeness, and Soul. For Proclus, why don't his...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides. Chapters: plg. Sections: 129d-130a. Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, Bradley, JulieH. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Jeff L's dream. "This shouldn't be this easy." key issues (notes from SarahW): - dreams as drama - When are dreams prophetic? - identifying the key point More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Stephanos sections: 165e-166c,135c-d,136a-c 1- Can Zeno's hypothesis - as understood by Parmenides - be equivalent to the 9th hypothesis? 2- Socrates' challenge to Parmenides (at 136c): Okay, you laid out the dialectic for Zeno's hypothesis, now I'd like to see you do it (in full) for Self! Crucial translation issue here: English, amended from the current Balboa. Something akin to: "You speak, O Parmenides, of an extraordinary undertaking, and I do not quite understand. But why not unfold...
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Stephanos sections: 60d 60e 61a 61b
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Dialogues: parmenides Chapters: hyp4 hyp3 plg Sections: 156a 129e 136a 136b 136c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Bradley, JulieH, Yoni, JeffS First we worked in the 3rd hypothesis (but PG had thought he was reading in the 4th -- this was a rare mistake on his part). so diagram 1 started out looking like it was for the 4th, but was really the 3rd. "The receiving and releasing of ousia is the process of coming to be." Then we moved to looking at the 4th hypothesis....
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Dialogues: parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 157e 158a 158b 158c 158d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Bradley, Yoni, JeffS Parmenides discussion proper begins at 0:04:00 (h:mm:ss).  From 1:32:30 to end is discussion with Regina. Pierre's chart: "If Parmenides' vision is a whole -- a perfect complete total -- then all that cannot reach that level -- while it seems to be a whole -- is only a part." Again, the "paragraph numbers" we have taken to referring...
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Dialogue(s): gorgias Sections: 525b More info: http://noeticsociety.org "
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