to this kind of process to get involved in it and because what we're talking about in egypt and in tunisia is going to be economic growth and that's going to take investment and that investment some of it has to come from places like india and china rather than from the west ok gentlemen at this point we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the world's most to lead this club stable. state. to the. wealthy british style it's time to rise. markets financed scandals find out what's really happening to the global economy for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines to name two kinds of reports . the last time the close up team was reached where the gold rush still gets people hiked up. this time margi goes to your own region. where the local government is giving power back to the people. where every orphan will be adopted. where locals turn their land into a tourist paradox well come to. russia close up on our team. play. welcome back to cross talk i'm peter lavelle tree mind you were discussing the relative value of ga. ok

here to be a middle east expert here but i think it's quite interesting in this picture of aid for tunisia and egypt and you know a lot of people that are critical of western involvement in north africa would say you know you know the money might come but there's going to be all these strings attached and it's going to be the west involving itself in this very complicated and long term transformation i mean is is that it's shows the west trying to flex its muscle saying we're going to stay engaged in this region and they may think it's for good reasons but a lot of people in the region don't see it that way. there's a degree of cynicism in what you're saying there and i don't think that i share it what we're seeing in the arab world especially in tunisia and egypt is there is a nascent movement toward something that's a lot more in our interest and a lot more in their interest and more particularly and that is a more progressive and a more democratic government society we we can't. i don't have the smarts to be able to direct that kind of thing but we do have the capacity to to assistant a

there have also been a lot of incidents lately in a little parallel with tunisia a group of police were beaten up by bystanders who witnessed them roughing up a pregnant twenty year old street vendor this park writes that would put london's a shame and even according to state media there are tens of thousands of incidents every year in china but there wave may have deeper roots now most americans think of tenement square as that protest where the guy stood in front of the tank well this is part of something much bigger that involved hundreds of thousands of protesters and a military crackdown that led to anywhere from hundreds of thousands or hundreds to thousands of deaths and in chile right now there are widespread student protests involving hundreds of thousands in sudan the recent split and formation of south sudan recently reminded the world the government borders are arbitrary and subject to change at the will of the people while an iceland in the recent banking crisis in which they allowed their three major commercial banks to fail they remind us that there is no such thing as to

they're quite serious differences of opinion there and trying to commit billions of dollars to support tunisia or wherever it is i think is probably a step too far at this stage qualifying going to you know i'm not going to ask anyone here to be a middle east expert here but i think it's quite interesting that this picture of aid for attorneys in egypt and you know a lot of people that are critical of western involvement in the in north africa would say you know you know the money might come but there's going to be all these strings attached and it's going to be the west involving itself in this very complicated in long term transformation i mean is is that it's shows it is the west trying to flex its muscle saying we're going to stay engaged in this region and they may think it's for good reasons but a lot of people in the region don't see it that way. there's a degree of cynicism in what you're saying there and i don't think that i share it what we're seeing in the arab world especially in tunisia and egypt is there is a nascent movement toward something that's a lot more in our interest in

at first, it was thought to t e tunisia where his wife and daughter escaped to. more than likely, it would be algeria. algeria would be problematic. they have great relations there and algeria would export him to the world court. zimbabwe would be the most troublesome. that's where a couple of dictators called home and they would be one to ignore the cries it release qaddafi. >> he could head to italy, where the former prime minister went when he decided to defect. >> speaking of prime ministers, you'll see the exterior of 10 downing street where we're waiting for a statement by david cameron on the libyan situation. we should point out, of those many scenarios that brian just depicted, there are some reports out there that, perhaps, qaddafi was seen as part of a seven vehicle caravan headed towards algeria. all we know for sure is he did appear on state-run television yesterday pleading with his people, grab a gun, do whatever you can, get out in the streets and save our country. that's what he said yesterday. in the meantime, his many security forces, a lot of

in as it's out of the march to the border as between libya and tunisia have been in sort of a degree as a plate over the past five months people have been trying to escape to leave because they have found out of syria just like what's going on you know if it's control it especially now with libyan forces literally attacking just going over out of their way over tripoli i found to get even more confusing now people who president every site near the border on the beach inside say that over the past couple of weeks there have been reported clashes between unidentified are now. in the region border guards the ohss say that. there have been sightings of humor is heavy vehicles loaded with armed people are reportedly reportedly libyans but was no license plate so it's hard to identify exactly who those who those people were now as in the clashes which were pretty earlier today between huge and border patrols and i just want to be in government here has not been reported and. i just . need to cordy's to say that they believe some of the gunmen on the inside might have been injured or wounde

they thought they were libya or egypt or tunisia or yemen. they thought that as the country went, they went. but that's not true. it's about the power of the people and ultimately freedom and democracy will hopefully come forward and our concern about what may come forward, but it's not just those four. we have assad now still holding on in syria and many ofs from syria are hoping he will go the same way. it's much more entrenched with soviet-style leadership and circling his town with tanks but at the end of the day, they're all thugs that will be part of history and i think the arab people will have a new era. we don't know what it will be. they've been living in a political winter where they haven't had any inis that structure. so hopefully they'll be able to build that over the next few generations. >> juliet: you mentioned syria's al assad. given what is happening right now and over the last 24, 48 hours or so, things seem to be a little fluid, maybe yesterday a little too much enthusiasm. it seemed like maybe gadhafi was out of power. n

let's go to the border in tunisia. dominique, what can you tell us. >> reporter: there are thousands upon thousands of libyans trying to flee the country now. after the appearance of moammar qaddafi's son they lost confidence in the rebels to take control of the country. i'm at a crossing and throughout the morning we have seen a combination of civilians in cars, many, many ambulances with rebel fighters who have been injured trying to seek medical care over here in tunisia. people say the scale of fighting is going to get worse, they are worried for their families. some people are picking up medical supplies and turning right back around to go back into rebel-held territory. they want to give their loved ones the medication they actually need. the situation very confused. the border crossing is relatively calm although many people are desperate to get through. at the moment the people aren't convinced really that the rebels actually can take the country and hold it for their very loan. greg: dominic, almost every day

in two countries protesters have managed to get success, tunisia and egypt. and as i said, i'll talk more about this as we go on. in other countries i know it's still in flux, but i advise people not to be impatient, you know, let's wait and i'm confident in at least a couple of other countries -- bahrain, for example, syria maybe -- that there will be positive change. it's still 6-8 months. let's remember it took gandhi 30-plus years after he came back to india. it took martin luther king a decade. i think in this day and age we have sort of very limited attention spans, and we should give people more time, you know? it's not even been a year. so we should definitely be patient. so the theme of my book is, you know, islam and nonviolence, islam and pacifism. i caution people and tell them because they say what about al-qaeda, what about, you know, the taliban? i am not saying there is an absence of violence in islam. what i'm saying is, please, do not be reducktive. what i'm saying is there is, at the same time, a strand of nonviolence, a strand of pacifism

in as it's out of the much the border between libya and tunisia have been in sort of a degree as a plate over the past five months people have been trying to escape leave because they have out of syria like you know about what's going on to control it especially now when the libyan forces are literally attacking just going over out of their way over tripoli i found to get even more confusing is now people who president to reside near the border on the beacon side say that over the past couple of weeks here have been reported clashes between on the identified arm down arms of spending including two border guards the ohss say that. there have been a sightings of numerous heavy vehicles loaded with armed people reportedly before you leave the input it was a license plate so it's hard to identify exactly who those people were now as in the clashes which were free earlier today between we can border patrols and they are just like libyan government here have not been reported and. just watch he says ortiz to say that they believe some of the gunmen on the inside might have injured or wounded.

to this kind of process to get involved in it and because what we're talking about in egypt and in tunisia is going to be economic growth and that's going to take investment and that investment some of it has to come from places like india and china rather than from the west ok gentlemen at this point we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the world's mostly disclosed stable. state. to. twenty years ago largest country. disintegrated. what had been chained to each began a journey. where did it take them. as you know song was sixteen years old when he committed these murders that's not to say that song so it should not be punished for his crimes sean is being honest no rational person can deny that sean has been punished is being punished and will be punished. as ours must be executed for the brutal crime committed this is a punishment this is not. to mention. that it's a. cause we've been immersed know me whatsoever. and i didn't come here this justice. and heard they first. start where this small. trial martin. and my thought is now.

this kind of process to get involved in it and because what we're talking about in egypt and in and in tunisia is going to be economic growth and that's going to take investment and that investment some of it has to come from places like india and china rather than from the west ok gentlemen at this point we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the world's most to lead this club stable. states to. wealthy british science. class. find out what's really happening to the global economy. headlines tune in to. led mission free accreditation free zones for charges free. arrangement free risk free studio time free. download free blog videos. free. tom. welcome back to. discussing the relative value of. the plug. into the break you said you wanted to jump in so just go right ahead. right well let's not also forget what has driven our involvement in the region and that is that when you produce thirty percent of world oil supply you tend to catch a lot of attention from the largest world oil consumers and i think some of the skepticism around what's

. >> one of the main earnings in egypt and tunisia is building a stable future. the economic challenges are huge. >> at the marketplace, things are not going very well. tourists have been avoided the country since it was rocked by revolution. in times like these, it is not possible for them to expand. they cannot get a bank loan. the financial fund is set to change that. this will help egyptians as well as to nations to inject new life. the german government is contributing 20 million euros to the initiative. >> there are people who are able to build a livelihood, one that does not just open economic opportunities for them and their families but potential employees as well. >> this support would create new perspectives. 25% of down people in tunisia and egypt are jobless. >> thank you for that. activists in serious say that the army has launched assaults on iraqi towns. a human rights group says 11 people were killed as tanks moved in to the town. the residents say around 14 tanks and armored vehicles have entered the town and hundreds of people have been arreste

to this kind of process to get involved in it and because what we're talking about in egypt and in tunisia is going to be economic growth and that's going to take investment on that investment some of it has to come from places like india and china rather than from the west ok gentlemen at this point we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the world's mostly disclosed stable. state. was. twenty years ago the largest country in the world to certain places of. flux. what had been more challenging than the dutch began a journey. where did it take them. up the mission free accreditation free transport judges free. range lunch free risk free studio tied free ups download free blog as a plug in video for your media projects or a free video don to r.t. dot com you. welcome back to crossfire guy peter all about tree mind you were discussing the relative value of ga. ok jeff in toronto we probably would do the break you said you want to jump in so just go right ahead. right well let's not also forget what has driven our involvement in the regio

we have a team coming from tunisia to go to the hospital. the red cross is respected for exclusive humanitarian work. >> we have this situation where the national transitional council is trying to implement some kind of rule of law but the hospitals are destroyed. there are very few facilities, medical needs. >> i think the needs challenges to insure that ordinary people are able to receive care, health care surgery, medical supplies. this must be a priority. we also want to be sure that prisoners are treated correctly and then they get adequate food and water. we want to keep an eye on civilians, and journalists. civilians are frightened to come out of their homes at the moment but they could look forward to a time when tripoli is safe. they will be able to go back to their business. it must be terrifying to be in those houses and not know what is going on around you. >> you are watching "newsday," on the bbc. steve jobs' is stepping down as the chief executive. >> hurricane i rain continues to gather strength. -- hurricane irene continues

well there are reports of come fall on the libya tunisia border and thousands of libyans are heading in that direction to flee the fierce fighting between pro and anti gadhafi forces to correspond and then again the show is at the border there has been a rather intense fighting reported missing being uprooted off the end of rebel forces about just in kilometers from the border with tunisia in as it's out of the march to the border as the ten would be in tunisia have been in sort of the debris is a plate over the past five months people would have to not have to be trying to escape to leave because they have a serious look like it but what's going on you know is essential it is specially now with the libyan forces literally attacking just going over out of their way over tripoli i found to get even more confusing now people who resident in every side near the border on the eastern side say that over the past couple of weeks there have been reported clashes between on the identified arm down arms the women and we can border guards the ohss say that. there have been sightings of numerou

tunisia denied permission to bring a plane in with his family. i think he is wants his family out, because he's prepared to have that last stand, to have that battle there and to die there. he's said that he will become a martyr and let his blood flow on libyan soil. and i think that's in his mind if he's got to go, that's his plan. >> sara, in terms of the opposition forces, for so long they were completely disorganized. we talked about this the other night. you said they have made some improvements. but in terms of -- i mean, how much of a disciplined fighting force do they have? do we know of what percentage of the forces are actually have actual training, have actual experience, and in a fight, in a city would be able to fight effectively if it came to that? >> reporter: that's a really hard question to answer but a very good question, anderson. i can tell you from what we have seen of the few months that we've been inside of this country, what we've seen is there was continuing and is continuing to be training. and so there is something like

tunisia denied permission to bring a plane in with his family. i think he is wants his family out, because he's prepared to have that last stand, to have that battle there and to die there. he's said that he will become a martyr and let his blood flow on libyan soil. and i think that's in his mind if he's got to go, that's his plan. >> sara, in terms of the opposition forces, for so long they were completely disorganized. we talked about this the other night. you said they have made some improvements. but in terms of -- i mean, how much of a disciplined fighting force do they have? do we know of what percentage of the forces are actually have actual training, have actual experience, and in a fight, in a city would be able to fight effectively if it came to that? >> reporter: that's a really hard question to answer but a very good question, anderson. i can tell you from what we have seen of the few months that we've been inside of this country, what we've seen is there was continuing and is continuing to be training. and so there is something like

the reports also indicate that gadhafi would go to tunisia, where he may be granted exile. and earlier this week, defense secretary leon panetta said, i think the sense is that gadhafi's days are numbered. but to be clear, brian, there's no guarantee that the unpredictable gadhafi would actually make good on any plans and actually leave libya, but u.s. officials are the most optimistic yet that the five-month military standoff between nato forces and moammar gadhafi may soon be coming to an end. >> jim miklaszewski from the pentagon tonight. and from there we now go to libya, our chief foreign correspondent richard engel has just arrived there for us. richard, you heard jim use the critical word, unpredictable, gadhafi is famous for that. what will you look for and will there, could there be any signs on the ground that this kind of movement is coming? >> reporter: well, brian, after months of deadlock, we are definitely seeing signs that things are developing very quickly. rebel forces have managed to surround and cut off the city of tripoli, there is intermittent power in

they are announcing they are currently in tunisia. now, no word if muammar qaddafi is there as well. libyan rebels took control of tripoli overnight but qaddafi forces are not giving up without a fight. >> so how should the united states now handle the situation moving forward? and what about syria? teddy troy is senior fellow at the hudson institute and a former deputy secretary of health and human services under president george w. bush and today, he's out in seattle. good morning to you. >> thanks for having me. >> what do you think about what's going on in libya right now? >> well, obviously, it's a good thing that the rebels have displaced qaddafi. he's been there too long since the 1970's, in fact, and have been cruel to his people but there are a couple of things we don't know going forward. first of all, where is qaddafi? as us, it's the million dollar question. secondly, what is the rebels going to be like when they take over? the bigger, most overarching question is what's going to happen in the region and how is the obama a

a couple weeks ago i was in tunisia. they were saying to their representatives of the party, you are muslim, you say you are a muslim party, we are muslim. why are you -- are you more muslim that we are? why should we vote for a moslem party -- muslim party? what difference will it make when you come into power? what is your program about a muslim? there was a lot of questioning from the inside, so to speak. about this. these are two very divisive types of alamance. there are now rallying points for this kind of intifada. -- they are now rallying point for this kind of intifada. wantedm melindaa, , and i to ask the question with regard to the arab spring. specifically in regard to egypt. what are your thoughts on the role of the international community in supporting constitutional reform and the shift from non violent movements and to institutional and government changed? can there be a role played or should there be these places are unique democracies to that region? >> i wanted to ask, given the deepening economic ineq

they have done it in tunisia and egypt. it's not a big issue if you are headed down the right path. i happen to believe they should do municipal alexian's first. i it's a big mistake to do national elections first, but there's only one case i can think of where municipal elections were done first, that was in kosovo, and at was a very stabilizing thing to do. why do i think that? all politics is local. or the least good politics is local. it is much harder to form a coalition based on the sect, secular is some verses islamists. you get a test of who is emerging, very direct relations between them and the local government. there's a lot of focus on getting libyans the money that they need. for the long term, the critical issue is not the quantity of money. the transparency and accountability of the money. i've seen all progress, i have heard a lot of good intentions, but little progress in actually establishing a system by which they would be accountable publicly. this has to be a system inside libya to be accountable and transparent about how the money is being spent. i have never k

in egypt and tunisia, the revolution was against the regimes that were there. the heads of these states had been removed. but the structure is still there. the parties that were there are still there. the problem, these are societies, they are still there. it is not going to go away. with the new head in egypt or tunisia, i want to -- they will face more difficulty in dealing with these issues than somebody from libya. libya is something new. qaddafi destroyed all structures. there is nothing. did not allow institutions to emerge or parties, nothing. so the new people were coming in. they are going to see a huge, huge problem. one month at another. the issue over here is that the sky is the limit. they can put a new system in place which would be of the libyans. it is not going to be easy. it is going to be very, very tough. it has to be incremental. tavis: we were just reading days ago during this crisis that they were making their way toward tripoli trying topple the qaddafi regime. we read stories about the infighting amongst this transitional group itself.

representative was the first one to arrive in tunisia and egypt to congratulate them on the revolution we've got good connections with other protesters movements as well they consider iraq to be an example despite all our drawbacks iraq is pursuing a line of new democracy it's an example of achieving democracy freedom and respecting human dignity we are all aware of our drawbacks however but they are looking at us whether we recognize the people's right to self-determination for fulfilling their political will and making their political choice while being free and preserving their dignity iraq is anything but neutral in this situation but at the same time iraq is unwilling to interfere with other people's affairs we can set an example that's how we see our role which does not consist in choosing leaders. but do you have the same position regarding the current events in syria at the moment. yes the government has the same position regarding what's going on in syria however the events in syria different due to the country's geopolitical position in the region and the role it plays for ir

mass demonstrations have taken place in tunisia, egypt, yemen, bahrain and other, in iran. if gadhafi is toppled, what effect could that have on the reskron? >> we're joined by john in cnn. within libya, there are divisions, different tribes, different groupings. this is a movement that started in the east. how easy will it be to reunite the country? >> in fact, people are talking about the fall of moammar gadhafi, charles. then the smooth transition. we know that the council has its roots in -- is trying to unify the country. it's important to take a step back and say it's an umbrella organization. at different stages of this process over the next three to four months, we'll see different members of different tribes, look, i played this role in the up rising, i had that role in tripoli, i had that role in the battle over brega. i want this stake in the political reshaping of libya and the economic reshaping of libya as they try to get that oil production back on-line again. >>let look further afield, john. in terms particularly of syria. it would appear that libya is going

do you think this has wider repercussions in the region, tunisia, egypt, libya. i mean, is syria more worried tonight than they were yesterday? >> oh, absolutely. the government in syria is absolutely pert fied by what happened in libya and has been attempting to downplay it. look, we've had three long-serving dictators fall this year. the rulers in the region are on notice that their people can rise up against them and get rid of them. the leaders are scrambling to find a response. in syria they've gone the gadhafi root. started rolling tanks against demonstrators. in morocco and jordan they started announcing at least baby steps forwards constitutional monarchy. but the region is being shaken up by these revolts. >> juan, one of the things that has gone relatively unremarked upon when we talk about internationalment here is how involved the arab nations of qatar and united arab of em rat were in this intervention? how important was it strategically and also in terms of the political impact here? >> yes. with regards to image, it was important that this interven

a couple weeks ago i was in tunisia. they were saying to their representatives of the party, you are muslim, you say you are a muslim party, we are muslim. why are you -- are you more muslim that we are? why should we vote for a moslem party -- muslim party? what difference will it make when you come into power? what is your program about a muslim? there was a lot of questioning from the inside, so to speak. about this. these are two very divisive types of alamance. there are now rallying points for this kind of intifada. -- they are now rallying point for this kind of intifada. >> i am melinda, and i wanted to ask the question with regard to the arab spring. specifically in regard to egypt. what are your thoughts on the role of the international community in supporting constitutional reform and the shift from non violent movements and to institutional and government changed? can there be a role played or should there be if these places are unique democracies according to the region. >> given the deepening economic inequ

down and you know how do we look at that differently compared to the way the people we're covering tunisia and egypt looking at social media as this wonderful force of revolution. when it can be used to gather for for riots like this. for. eight. people. who are very. very. rare earth who are. pretty sort of. forward. here who have been very firm. for the. course of. the earth where. it's not. in the. it's her. birth. and. so. forth there are who you know the overlearned americans ever. really. get this. thing that people. and the rest of the in the u.k. . you know it's. it works perfectly ok with the rest it's ok with. this over the third incomplete there are. people who were. in. the developed world where you have. you. ever hear the. word for and then take the profits. out of their very take the word. worker for remember oh black holes. in them for the firm i've heard. the so we're not sure and. the first you hear that. it's. so sure her football career will take the game. and we already see of course a lot of the lines start to be blurred you know we were looking at websites today of c

well indeed in egypt and in tunisia the promises of the west of changing your aegean. people are very disillusioned about us but i would rather compare with iraq remember the promise is the united states and company would liberate the iraqi people they have killed one million they would. tell a democracy it is a corrupt regime they would install peace. even wall and there would instal comforts for all the iraqi people while actually the keys have lost everything education health come false security so indeed the situation situation of libya should be compared with iraq. well finally the un mandated military operation is due and next month so is there a coincidence that we see this breakthrough now what do you think yes for sure because you have many disagreements inside the airlines the norwegians wanted to get rid of this wall italians also there were many criticism in france they were investigation missions from french criticizing the policy of soft corsi and yes i think the nato may get a victory i still don't know but they are in deep crisis the consider themselves

well it's very difficult to know i don't think that will take him to tunisia and definitely not maybe he might go to the sea to tunisia or of the other countries bordering and take a plane from there to zimbabwe or to very few countries north korea where he would be still accepted as a host so it's very difficult to say i did might take some time to discover him even if he stays in his own countries if we remember said the hussein how long it took to discover him in iraq. and while the whole world guesses where colonel gadhafi might be hiding world chess federation chief illusion of says he you know he claims have spoken to him on the telephone in this afternoon's three hours ago when i was in my. car that his. son here called me by phone and i was very surprised and. then yes yes i am and i asked the why because yesterday i saw. him in prison and. ok now i am in tripoli now he's my father moammar gadhafi and my father wants to say some words to you after that here in which market here said that now he's he's country he doesn't want to leave his home in the end he wants to defend his

and definitely not maybe he might go to the south to tunisia and the other countries so bordering and take a plane from there to zimbabwe or to to very few countries north korea where he would be still accepted as a host so it's very difficult to say and it might take some time to discover him even if he stays in his own countries if we remember said that hussein how long it took to discover him in iraq. shapiro professor of political science at yale university thinks the situation in libya mirrors afghanistan with various competing tribes hungry for power. the comparison that comes to mind with me is to none of the countries that you mention but rather to afghanistan because first of all we have china believe based civil war going on not and us invasion war a democracy ah price and secondly we have no history of democratic politics in the region and i think that it's a sobering forward because i think the challenge facing then whoever comes to power in libya in creating the rule of rule is going to be much more similar to the challenges that have based the karzai government in afghan

do you think this has wider repercussions in the region, tunisia, egypt, libya, is syria -- is syria more worried tonight than they were yesterday? >> oh, absolutely. the government in syria is absolutely petrified by what happened in libya and has been attempting to down play it. look, you know, we've had three long-serving dictators fall this year. the rulers in the region are on notice that their people can rise up against them and get rid of them, and the leaders are scrambling to find a response. in syria they've started rolling tanks against the demonstrators. in morrocco and jordan, baby steps towards constitutional monarchy, but the region is being shaken up by the revolts. >> one thing that's gone relatively unremarked upon is how involved the arab nations of cutter and the united arab emirates were in this intervention. how important was it strategically and also the political impact here? >> yes, well with regard to image, it was important this intervention in libya not be seen as solely a western one, i think it wasn't. it should be remembered that turkey is a nato member

it makes the question when social media is used for good is the mainstream media jumped on egypt in tunisia as twitter revolutions and what makes this different media outlets of all political leanings i've been quick to try and identify the causes here racism and brutality by the police multiculturalism not working class warfare austerity measures at this point it's becoming so widespread are they all wrong some point to a disaffected and lost youth with no political purpose at all so what exactly has gone wrong in the u.k. joining me to discuss this is laurie penny a columnist for the new states and laurie i want to thank you for joining us and first if you can just start by telling us exactly where you are and what you've witnessed so far over the past couple of days. we were. and were. making it right there in the here and there were an american and it will. be. one of the. our breaking another there were twenty thirty people. here and there were. very many were. there were there with. the painter from camden and what was really really hurt there were going to. be right through. here all