we are at the university hospital. this is off of 225, interstate 225, which is about 10 minutes north of where the movie theater complex is. at this hospital about 20 people who have been brought in for treatment. we understand as well one of the youngest involved in this is perhaps a 3-month-old child. it's been a tragedy and a terrible situation, as it goes without saying. we now are at 17th and peoria, which is just about 10 minutes from the theater. they think his apartment might be booby trapped. they have had fbi agents working with the fire department on a ladder truck. they have broke out the back windows of the apartment. the bomb experts have put cameras inside the apartment to look around and make sure the door, the front door of the apartment was not booby trapped and there were no more explosive devices inside of that unit. they are methodical in their search. they have swat team members from denver, denver county, adams county, jefferson county, aurora police, and denver police all here on the scene alon

. >>> children at the georgetown university hospital got a special surprise today. pilots and flight attendants delivered adventure bears to cancer patients there. each child was given a limited edition teddy bear and a passport. since the program began five years ago united has helped raise nearly 200 million miles and more than $595,000 for the american cancer society. >>> you would think somebody who just finished a round of chemotherapy would be resting up. not. so in fact, the man you're about to meet is hitting the road on his bicycle. fox 5's beth parker shares his inspirational story. >> reporter: luigi lariah is ready even though some people -- >> they thought i was insane. >> reporter: a better word might be passion. >> four months ago i was diagnosed with leukemia. my whole world came tumbling down. >> reporter: now just months after chemotherapy he's decided to ride his bike across the united states into canada. >> 1 morning it just hit me and i never looked back. >> reporter: he's hoping to raise $10,000 for the leukemia and lymphoma society paying his

everyone that came to this hospital survived. >> at university hospital, 22 of 23 patients made it. that says, sasson, is what turned the aurora massae into the aurora miracle. >> i got very emotional when i saw my patients, some of these patients, they're so resilient and so strong. i guess i just needed to see them walking and talking because the last picture i have in my head is on a stretcher critically injured, getting rolled up to an operating room. >> the shooting was over, the injuries under control and the suspect in custody. yet, the terror was far from over. >> make no mistake, okay, this apartment was designed to kill whoever entered it. [ male announcer ] it's a golden opportunity... to drive a car filled with as much advanced technology as the world around it. with the available lexus enform app suite, you can use opentable to make restaurant reservations... search with bing... and listen to pandora. presenting the 2013 lexus gs, rx and the all-new es, the leading edge of the leading edge. during the golden opportunity sales event, get great values on some of our newes

. >> joann is part of the team from howard university hospital who just returned from haiti this week. the students and physicians provided much needed medical care in a region that is still rebuilding. >> the patients lined up to see us. some were dressed in the best clothing that they had to come and visit a physician and they were excited about that. >> there are medical resources were drained over time. they need the infrastructure to build their medical resources back. >> as soon as they arrived, they saved a woman after a brutal attack. >> there was some lacerations. there was an attack. and we immediately were called to the room. >> team stopped the bleeding, closed and stitched her wounds. >> that was all in day one and we were really excited and kind of terrified, because we never experienced anything hands on like that before. >> i think what we saw in that one day, probably 150 patients, if not more. >> topnotch medical care for the haitian community and a lasting global experience for these students. the howard team can't wait to go back. >> it is rewarding. when i got the

pat collins has our report. >> reporter: inside howard university hospital 29-year-old michael hall, junior, operated on today. they say he has a broken jaw and a fractured cheek bone. mike and gail hall are from colonial beach, virginia, very proud of their son mike junior, an accomplished yoga instructor. but when he moved to washington nine years ago, they worried for his safety. >> every morning, get up and turn channel 4 news on and see if he was alive or not, who got >> worried about him? >> oh, my god, yes. >> my biggest nightmare was the fact that this would happen eventually. >> sunday morning the halls got that phone call that they always feared. it happened at the eckington section of northeast washington. mike hall and his boy friend had been to a restaurant. they were on their way home. they had just gotten out of one of those town cars. they were whackialking down the sidewalk when they were ambushed by five teenagers. >> four or five kids came out of nowhere without any warning. we didn't think it was a robbery because they didn't immediately ask for anything. they cam

michael hall suffered extensive facial injuries and is recovering at howard university hospital tonight. his partner was also injured but not nearly as bad. family members say they have no doubt, both men would have been killed had it not been for two strangers that intervened that attack happened on the 1900 block of

in this university hospital and others in the area, dozens are still struggling to recover or just survive. and they are the lucky ones. because as we know for sure, 12 lives were lost in a night that should have never happened. last night at a local high school, emotions ran high for family and friends still waiting and wondering. but for others, news of the worst has already come. jessica ghawi was a 24-year-old aspiring sportscaster. she sent a last tweet before the show started. movie starts in 20 minutes. we spoke to her brother, jordan. she was tweeting and online and active right up until these final moments. how was she living right up until the end? >> she was happy. she was excited about the movie. >> reporter: last night, jordan would write his own tweet. let us remember the names of the victims and not the name of the coward who committed this act. victims like 23-year-old college student micayla medek. whose sister, amanda, we saw earlier friday grieving outside a family assistance center. ohio native and target employee matt mcquinn, seen here in his high school yearbook phot

at university hospital across town, we sent our camera. there he was remembering the best friend that tried to get him off the floor. >> i was just praying. my face was flat on the ground. my buddy started shaking me. pierce, come on, man, get up. we have got to go. he thought i died. >> reporter: the phone call from hospital to hospital, he will never forget. >> the was great to hear his voice. kind of wish you were here. >> reporter: the story of two friends who prayed together and survived. >> we'll be recovering together that's for sure. david muir, abc news, aurora, colorado. >> the friend that married his other friend, said he was standing directly underneath the shooter, could feel the boot against his head. laid there as still as he could. as he was firing off rounds. >> the president said something friday that resonates. he said our time here is limited and is precious. what matters at the end of the day, not the small things, not the trivial things which so often consume us in our daily lives. ultimately it is how we choose to tr

we had an amazing outpouring of support from our staff here at the university hospital. we went into disaster mode. we had the operating rooms, physicians, everybody coming down to on help. 22 patients in our emergency department. we were able to handle every single one of them. they're very, very sick patients right now and that's an absolutely horrifying scene. >> again, we have been joined by our medical expert dr. richard besser discussing not just the injuries themselves suffered by the victims but also the trauma of the community, what is the scene there in the waiting room and outside that hospital? >> the university of colorado hospital has been just a great job, we got support staff, we got clergymen, we got support lines for family and friends to actually call and reach out to us. we have the phone number set up. in case family and friends need to try to find patients involved in the shooting. >> again, we do want to repeat that little sliver of good news, that 3-month-old victim has been treated and has been reunited with her parents and is healthy at this hou

we had an amazing outpouring of support from our university hospital staff here at the university of colorado hospital. we went foo your disaster mode and actually had folks from the custodial staff all the way through to operating rooms, physicians coming down to help and 22 patients already at the emergency room and able to handle every single one of them and they're very, very sick patients right now and it is an absolutely horrifying scene. >> again, we have been joined by our medical expert, dr. richard besser today, discussing not just the injuries themselves suffered by the victims but also the trauma of the community. what is the scene there in the waiting room and outside that hospital? >> well, university of colorado hospital has been doing a great job, we've got support staff, clergymen and a support line for family and friends that they can reach out to us, we have a phone number set up, 720-848-2626 in case family and friends try to find patients or victims in the shooting so we have tried to reach out to the community and hopefully keep our doors open to anyone who need

i understand 20 people in the university hospital alone and as you said 14 are dead. but i am sure that many of the injuries will be treated and released. >> steve: kelly burke, out there in denver. >> peter: joining us is dr. michael bodin. he is a great medical examiner in the country and part of the fox team. thank you for running over and speaking to us on this issue . it seems like dejavuall over again in terps was columbine. >> yeah. >> peter: what are the injuries that you look as a pathologist and someone to help put the pieces together as to how the incident came together? you as a medical examiner and investigator? >> all of the deaths will go to den strer, they can handle deaths like this. and everybody will be autopsied and the bullets removed to so if the bullets came from one weapon. there may be injuries. sometimes stampede situation people die by being over from other poem. >> peter: people are crushed and heart attacks and asthma. we had a man who talked about his friend having an asthma attack. what evidence will they do to make it easier and better.

hospital officials at 11:30 eastern time this morning for an update on the victims. we'll bring you that live. residents are being warned this morning about possible loud explosions at the suspect's apartment, which is only about four miles away from where i'm standing here at the theater. law enforcement officials say james holmes set up a sophisticated booby trap. he had that place rigged. included in that are what they're calling aerial shells. those would likely be something like mortar rounds. they're hoping to get inside the apartment some time in the next hour. now take a look at this. this is a picture from the adult sex site, adult friend finder, it's called. police believe this is actually james holmes, the suspect in the shooting, but investigators haven't confirmed that. sources did say, though, that holmes had dyed his hair red, like you see there, before the attack. now, let's talk about the victims. 70 people shot, 12 of those died, 30 people remain hospitalized this morning with 11 of those in critical condition. 23-year-old micayla medek was one of t

and now to our next guest, from the university of colorado hospital system. and another significantly sized hospital. >> and that telephone number i want to get that out. people depend on it for information. 303-695-2600. we will get that up for you on the screen shortly to call if you have any concerns if you may have known someone at the movie premiere. right now, jackie, are you on the phone? >>guest: good morning. >>heather: can you tell us, what are you dealing with in terms of the situation? >>guest: we are taking care of 20 paint whose arrived from the scene, with various levels of gunshot wounds from minor for severe. >>heather: and the ages? >>guest: the majority of the patients are adult. a handful of teenagers. >>heather: are you told to expect more patients? how close are you to the movie theater? >>guest: well, we are a couple miles from the movie theater so our patients arrived by ambulance, with the police support and, also, on their own. so it is hard to predict if we have some folks out there who have not received medical attention yet and th

meanwhile president obama met with victims' families at university of colorado hospital tonight. >> will the issue of gun control make its way to congress and the presidential campaigns? the mass shooting in colorado and the appropriate national response were front and center on the sunday talk shows. fox 5's melanie alnwick has a roundup. >> reporter: for many the mass murder in aurora, colorado, brought back the pain and anguish felt during 9/11. >> i think it's a terrorist that wanted to take a wasn't just from the people that are here but from the country our ability to enjoy life to, go to the movie theater which for most of us is a refuge. >> reporter: colorado governor john hickenlooper appeared on several sunday talk shows. it was said the federal assault weapons ban that was brought up in 2004 should be reinstated. >> they had magazines to take down as many people and the police responded in 90 seconds and yet he was able to take down 70 people. >> reporter: on face the nation colorado's earl pearlmutter said congress won't be able to avoid the issue when it returns from recess.

hospital. >> okay. >> which is a teaching hospital so saying former student, you know, it's possible that that's, you know, where he attended -- i don't know, i can't speculate on that. out here we had a mass shooting in 1993 nathan dunlap murdered four people at a chucky cheese in aurora, and he is still on death row, and one of the things i thought this morning was this is never going to be over this person -- even if he is brought to justice, he could sit on death row for 20 years. this is never going to go away or be resolved. it's just such -- such a community-changing tragedy and it's just -- i just don't know -- there's just no word. >> unfortunately denver has had now two community-changing tragedies like this in the last 15 years. >> it's insane. these shootings and i -- i get so upset about the constant negative at attention that it seems like we get out here and i don't know -- you know, there's just no explanation. and one of the first things you guys have said -- you know to not politicize this and i don't want to, but the first thing i can't help but think of is the peo

colorado hospital >> new information is emerging about the suspect. he submitted his application for target practice at a colorado gun range last month but the owner had concerns >> his answering machine was very bizarre >> investigators still processing the evidence collected from his apartment. described as a death trap. there were waist high trip wires attached to improvised explosive device is gallons of gasoline acid and batman paraphernalia >> every ounce of evidence will help us hold this person accountable >> back near the movie theater a carpenter from illinois erected crosses for those killed. he did the same thing after columbine and other national tragedies >> this makes me angry because i am back here again >> the suspect is due in court tomorrow. still nothing on a possible motive >> and off-duty illinois state trooper is hospitalized and facing charges after a murder and attempted suicide early today in suburban westchester. the 31 year-old of chicago is charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the shooting death of a 29 year-

hospital in baltimore which has the lowest life expectancy of any -- >> rose: pair enough. >> rose: being in prison for their political views. >> no but on the other hand they die of -- so you couldn't check that one against the other. i am not a defender, a great defender of the cubans. >> rose: i am looking for manager -- people lock at cuba and cite the two things you did, education and childhood mortality. >> childhood nutrition. >> rose: i think what ought to be done and what ought o to be part of a debate in politics as well as in other forum it is the notion of what are we learning from my experiences? you know, whether it is a sub prime crisis, sovereign debt crisis and what is it telling us about sort of the future and what we ought to know? i mean it raises basic questions about the regulation of capital limit. when the credit system in the united states collapsed late in 2008, who led the charge to the government to come in and bail everybody out? the same corporate executives whether it be from gm or citibank or morgan stanley, who would have been giving speeches up unti

and hospitals to get them to pay higher fees, even the city baltimore, for example is thinking of putting logos, sponsorship on the side of fire engines to try to raise money. as you said, it's a situation that many cities and towns are facing across the country. >> ron allen starting us off tonight in scranton, pennsylvania. as we mentioned, this tough economy is what was on voter's minds today. as both president obama and mitt romney campaigned in key battlegrounds. white house correspondent kristen welker with us tonight traveling with the president. cedar rapids, iowa. kristen, good evening. >> good evening to you, brian. things like iowa and colorado will make all the difference in november. the candidates continue to spar over who's best equipped to fix the economy. in ames, iowa, republican william buttermoore says he wants a change. >> it's a very, very slow recovery, if there's a recovery at all. >> he's going to vote for mitt romney. but less than five miles away, mike wright a democrat says he's worried romney would mishandle the fragile economy. >> i plan to attend a democrati

hospital in aurora. the same hospital where her 23-year-old husband caleb remains in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the head. the couple had gone to the midnight showing as a last date before becoming parents. the hospital says mom and baby are fine. stay with abc7 news and abc7news.com for all the latest developments on the colorado theater massacre. we've also created a slide show remembering the victims on the front page of our website. >>> why it may not be a good idea to keep the computer or television on late at night. >> michael jackson's feuding family. police were called to the jackson family home. how the king of pop's children are getting caught in the middle. >>> two sisters try to steal from a store but stopped by security. you won't believe what police say they left behind trying to >>> more drama today for the family of the late michael jackson. she has not ben able to contact her grandmother her legal guardian. she tweeted nine days and counting. paris and her two brothers nor

universities and hospitals may be excellent but if the student debt bubble is above one trillion dollars and roughly fifty million citizens are living without health care how are americans benefiting from their nation's excellence they're all emblematic of one of the things that's true about the united states which is we have the extremes of excellence and a public system that seems to drift behind if you take education our undergraduate school or some of the best in the world and they're extremely expensive that's a challenge so it's only accessible to a certain percentage of the population but for those who can access it they're excellent our graduate schools same thing our medical system for those who can afford it we really do have a great health system our public health system is way behind that's all the time we have dr friedman thank you very much for sitting down to speak with our team my pleasure thank you very much. mission to teach me. only. here. for going global and. please. make your statement. spread the word. truth. warning the. president. being increasingly drawn into th

of colorado hospital. they shared with him their stories of survival and loss. one story the president recalled was that of 21-year-old stephanie davies who remained in the line of fire to help save the life of her friend, 19-year-old ally young, who was one of the first to be shot. >> she was shot in the neck, and it punctured a vein. and immediately she started to spurt blood. and apparently, as she dropped down on the floor, stephanie, 21 years old, had the presence of mind to drop down on the ground with her. pull her out of the aisle. place her fingers over where she -- where ally had been wounded. and applied pressure the entire time, while the gunman was still shooting. >> reporter: while he was at the hospital, president obama also spent time with family members of the victims who were killed in the mass shooting. the president said he shared with them hugs and tears and encouragement. >> and so as tragic as the circumstances of what we've seen today are, as heartbreaking as it is for the families,

a 21-year-old gave birth this morning at the university of colorado hospital. and that is a hospital in which her 23-year-old husband remains in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the head. the couple had gone as a last date before becoming parents. and this hospital says mom and baby are doing fine. >> movie goers watching in a san jose mall evacuated after someone tossed a suspicious package noots aisle of the theater this, is the second evacuation of the eastridge mall's amc theater in the last few days saturday, the theater evacuated after a fire alarm went off. and last night someone opened the theater door during the 12:00 showing and yelled an obscenity and opened a door. the box was empty. >> and world news will examine missed warning sign that's could help prevented the massacre and developments on twitter on abc 7 news bay area. >> there is u.s. us labor secretary participating in a union rally. it's being organized by california labor federation and communications workers of america and is meant to pressure congress to stop outsourcing federa

hospital in aurora. the same hospital where her 23-year-old husband caleb remains in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the head. the couple had gone to the midnight showing as a last date before becoming parents. the hospital says mom and baby are fine. stay with abc7 news and abc7news.com for all the latest developments on the colorado theater massacre. we've also created a slide show remembering the victims on the front page of our website. >>> why it may not be a good idea to keep the computer or television on late at night. >> michael jackson's feuding family. police were called to the jackson family home. how the king of pop's children are getting caught in the middle. >>> two sisters try to steal from a store but stopped by security. you won't believe what police say they left behind trying to runaway. >>> more drama today for the family of the late michael jackson. paris claims she has not been able to contact her grandmother her legal guardian. she tweeted nine days and counting. paris a

and dad couldn't be prouder that his son is now off to san diego state university. >> in the hospital he was like dad you told me this type of stuff could happen. i'm going to finish school. >>reporter: had he help from utah alive. >> we work with victims of violent crime and 7 referral from high land hospital and trauma centers. >>reporter: so they received his case and made sure he kept up on his study. now with the scholarship and several grant all he has to focus on is getting his masters in business and playing football at san diego state. jerrold doesn't have whole lot of time before getting back into school mode. he heads down to san diego state for orientation on august 3rd. >> members of congress are calling for action tonight after abc news revealed olympic team wearing clothes not made in the usa. from the hat on the head to the shoes on their feet the u.s. olympic team decked in and out yawn form made almost entirely in china. discovery setoff a bipartisan backlash. rare agreement on capitol hill. >> they should be in uniform made in america. >> you would think they would

if you can believe it, a 3-month-old admitted to university hospital with a gunshot wound. we don't know that baby's condition. a 3-month-old being treated for a gunshot wound. we have at this moment 12 dead, according to the aurora, colorado, police department. at least 50 injured being treated for varying degrees of injury. some are in fair condition, some in critical, mika. we'll bring you news as we have it. they have arrested the 24-year-old male. we are getting more information about him. we don't yet have a motive. we'll let you know as soon as we do. >> thank you. joining us here in washington, republican senator john mccain. we have been having a contentious conversation about syria throughout the morning. >> i was watching part of it, yes. >> i heard your comments you made yesterday. i guess i would like to start by asking what would you suggest the president do now? i know you don't agree -- >> first, speak up. second, ronald reagan used to do that with enormous effect. just ask nathan shranski. we could provide arms and assistance to syrian rebels, other countri

. >>> president obama spent the day at the university of colorado hospital visiting with surviv

. >>> president obama told victims and their families at the university of colorado hospital he will never say the suspect's name. he says he wanted to speak to the victims directly, not so much as president, but rather as a father and husband. >> i think the reason stories like this have such an impact on us is because we can all understand what it would be to have somebody that we love taken from us in this fashion. >> stay with us for updates throughout the day from colorado. ahead at 6:30, a live report and a closer look at some of the victims and the unborn baby who could become the youngest survivor. >>> president obama and republican presidential candidate mitt romney pulled ads in light of the tragedy in colorado. today the president will hold fund-raisers in reno, nevada and california's bay area. mitt romney was in the bay area sunday. he'll travel overseas later this week. >>> new this morning, police looking for a man who stabbed another man during a carjacking in montgomery county. this happened overnight in the 2000 -- rather the 20,500 block of fifth avenue. the victim

and dad couldn't be prouder thathis son is now offhs to san diego state university. >> in the hospital he was like dad you told me this type of stuff could happen. i'm going to finish school. >>reporter: had he help from utah alive. >> we work with victims of violent crime and 7 referral from high land hospital and trauma centers. >>reporter: so they received his case and made sure he kept up on his study. now with the scholarship and several grant all he has to focus on is getting his masters in business and playing football at san diego state. jerrold doesn't have whole lot of time before getting back into school mode. he heads down to state state for orientation on august 3rd. >> members of congress are calling for action tonight after abc news revealed olympic team wearing clothes not made in the usa. from the hat on the head to the shoes on their feet the u.s. olympic team decked in and out yawn form made almost entirely in china. discovery setoff a bipartisan backlash. rare agreement on capitol hill. >> they should be in uniform made in america. know better. they woulknow bett. >

victims were taken to six area hospitals, university of colorado hospital, swedish hospital denver health, rose medical center, the medical center of aurora, children's hospital and parker adventist. we are not looking for any other suspects. we are confident that he acted alone. however, we will do a thorough investigation to be absolutely sure thats that the case. but at this time, we are confident that he acted alone. during a shooting in the one particular theater, theater number 9, some rounds dehn penetrated into an adjoining theater. and we know at least one person was hit inside the adjoining theater. the suspect was dressed all in black. he was wearing a ballistic helmet, a tactical ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, a throat protector and a groin protector and a gas mask and black tactical gloves. we had over 50 detectives respond to the scene, including the 150 to 200 police officers and deputies and over 50 victim advocates to work with family members. and all our federal partners are here and we deeply, deeply appreciate their help. we've asked the community if there are any

the university of colorado hospital treated the most patients on friday morning 23 in all. doctor sasson treated everyone of those patients the first call came in around 1:00 am and 15 minutes later she says it was chaos. >> it felt like a dream in a way. the police officers had put people in the backs of their cars. we met them with stretchers and started pulling people out of cars. >> over the next few hours 23 people pulled in. teenagers young adults most younger than the doctor herself. >> what kind of injuries? >> folks with gunshots to the head, the chest, the belly. some were crying and moaning and some weren't saying anything at all. >> they were in triage mode jamming six patients into a bay made more two. the least seriously wounded kept in the hallway. >> i have seen other things people dying on a daily basis. i think what is different about this is how many people. >> similar scenes were repeating at four other hospitals in the area. 20-year-old adon was taken to swedish medical center his wife was franticly looking for him. >> i had no idea if he was dead or i

and dad couldn't be prouder that his son is now off to san diego state university. >> in the hospital he was like dad you told me this type of stuff could happen. i'm going to finish school. >>reporter: had he help from utah alive. >> we work with victims of violent crime and 7 referral from high land hospital and trauma centers. >>reporter: so they received his case and made sure he kept up on his study. now with the scholarship and several grant all he has to focus on is getting his masters in business and playing football at san diego state. jerrold doesn't have whole lot of time before getting back into school mode. he heads down to san diego state for orientation on august 3rd. >> members of congress are calling for action tonight after abc news revealed olympic team wearing clothes not made in the usa. from the hat on the head to the shoes on their feet the u.s. olympic team decked in and out yawn form made almost entirely in china. discovery setoff a bipartisan backlash. rare agreement on capitol hill. >> they should be in uniform made in america. >> you would think they would

of colorado hospital demobilized one floor up in a medically induced, after being shot in the eye but said he is already met his son. >>> she but hugo in caleb's arms and she was holding his hands when the baby was line with can lead wednesday was talking to kill about the baby. and his blood pressure and his heart rate went up. the baby's full live loud just like his dad. friends have already raised more than $175,000 for donations. but batman start christian bale is reaching out to victims of the massacre gear ride direct today visited with people recovering in hospital. in the wake of the massacre some bay area gun charge stella's the day of seen as american business although the interest is due to the shooter and that owner of a gun store says the tragedy has given people a heightened sense of the need for self-defense. >>> they want a bill to protect themselves. and smartly so. it's also interesting california concealed weapons permits which are issued by county sheriffs and are difficult to get gatt especially in order gregarious a top deputy this dampens is good sheriff's depar

they say the 3-year-old is doing fine at university hospital which is near here. there are also reports of a child who was six years old also wounded. as far as we know. the age range roughly from, as we said three month up to early 30s. pretty much what you would expect at a batman movie. those are the people who show up for this. those are the people who did. we continue looking at this. how much time between the first note that something had gone terribly wrong and the arrest of the suspect? >> i don't know that for sure. i do know that the police were arriving as people were leaving one of the nearby theaters. so you got to think about the timeline. the guy opens fire, an alarm is called in and the nearby theater, not sure what's going on. they pull a fire alarm. people thought it was a joke so several minutes pass before the police arrive and by the time those other theaters were being evacuated, police were coming in on the scene. as far as we know, it would be somewhere around that time frame when they perhaps, we don't know for sure, there's a lot of confu