host: senator tom coburn, here's what he had to say recently -- guest: tom coburn said the exact same thing two years ago. we have long conversation, phone. he said we are trying to get a $2.5 trillion spending restraint. john boehner has said and reiterated that we have not focused on the debt ceiling sufficiently, he has said you have to cut spending if you want to raise the debt ceiling. tom coburn thought you had to raise taxes to support that. he was wrong. we got the spending restraints are written into law, because we took tax increases off the table. tom coburn went into the gang of 64 months and months and had to walk out of the room because dick durbin and the democrats were not willing to reduce spending. he had to call me and say that i was right and he was wrong. in his conversation with dick durbin he learned that they're not interested in cutting spending. only when you take tax increases off the table -- and coburn's strategic thinking was just flawed. but after understand where the other team is coming from. if you put taxes on the table, they cannot focus on any thin

just this week on "morning joe" on msnbc, here is tom coburn, republican conservative from oklahoma, and this is what he had to say. >> personally, i know we have to raise revenue. i don't really care which way we do it. actually, i would rather see the rates go up than do the other way because it gives us greater chance to change the tax code. >> if you close tax loopholes, you have a fairer process. those listening today, they don't have a lobbyist or some attorney or some high-priced accountant or special interest out there. that is a more efficient way and a fairer way. and it also makes you invest your money not based on what the irs says but based upon an economy. and it will grow the economy stronger. more taxpayers, more workers produces more revenue. >> i want to talk about spending, senator durbin. a challenge for you, based on a speech that you gave a couple of weeks ago here to progressives, you said the following about entitlement cuts. and i'll put it on the screen. this was in your prepared remarks which you stuck by. progressives should be willing to talk about ways t

plan proposed by senator tom coburn that cuts non-semidefense programs, that would save $7 billion. capping deduction at $25,000 would keep $68 billion safe. propose additional taxes on the top 2% of income earners well, that would bring in $82 billion. so hypothetically if all of the proposed solutions two be enacted we would spend $166 billion less a year. that seems like a lot, right? it is. but not compared to how much we spend a lot. which is $3.5 trillion. that is what we spent in 2012. even less if you compare it to the total debt. $16 trillion. and rising. so enough about the problem. and how small the possible solutions are, how to we as a country start, start to deal with the massive issue? economist john taylor wrote the book "first principles" five keys to restoring america prosperity. >> the problem was created in washington and can be fixed in washington. i have to think in terms of the economics the best thing to do in economics. for me, that is to gradually reduce spending as shared gdp. reduce growth rate. go back a few years before the crisis. that shouldn't that h

senators coburn, also johnson from wisconsin, and hoeven from north dakota aren't ready to spend the money either. louisiana congressman steve scalise says he wants to control the spendling and georgia representative jack kingston says congress shouldn't have to pay $2 million to fission fix the roof at the smithsonian museum. maybe those republicans don't want to fix the statue of liberty island either. we'll save money if we just kept it closed, right? crews pumped 270 million gallons of saltwater out of the transit tunnels. but we could have saved money there if we just didn't fix the commuter trains. governors christie, cuomo, and milloy have really heard and put together and joined forces to demand help from congress. in an op-ed in the "washington post" the governors wrote, "americans come together in times of crisis. our states have stood with your communities when they suffered and faced devastation. it's time for congress to stand with us. amen to that. tonight in our survey i asked, are congressional republicans out of touch with the rest of the country? 99% of you say yes.

i think what we heard from tom coburn yesterday actually suggests that. what we heard from tom cole previously from oklahoma suggests that as well. and you can see the texture of the deal. it is interesting, this week, of course, democrats in the house started a discharge petition on the middle income tax cuts. i think as of right now we have about 154 signatures on there. we only are to get to 218. that means you know, a bunch of reasonable republicans coming on board, signing the discharge petition, dealing with the middle income tax cuts. it sounds though that if we include -- i agree with the president. there's no way that you can get from here to there without putting a tax rate increase of a mere 4% on the highest income earners. that's what we're talking about here. preserving the middle income tax cuts, getting rid of all of the bush era tax cuts for the upper income levels and then committing to tax reform next year. sound the like a deal to me. >> bill: does the debt ceiling have to be part of that deal? >> it is ridiculous for the debt ceiling

. >> corker joins fellow snaerls coburn, collins and snowe in supporting an increase in tax rates for wealthy americans. cnn's emily schmidt joins us live from our washington bureau. emily, interesting what's going on. what have we learned about today's meeting? >> interesting symmetry here. it is 23 days until the deadline and it had been 23 days since president obama and john boehner met face to face about how to avert it until they met this an. this was a bit of a surprise meeting. it took place behind closed doors and all that we are being told resulted from it came from two separate shamts. one from the white house, one from a congressional staffer, and the statements' wording is identical. this afternoon the president and speaker boehner met at the white house to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. we're not reading out details but the lines of communication remain open. this meeting was not on the official white house schedule today. wednesday, a source familiar with the conversation said the two actually spoke by phone. that was the first time in a week they had done

here's republican senator tom coburn on "morning joe." >> actually, i would rather see the rates go up than the other way and greater chance to broaden the base in the future. >> do something, a down payment on cuts, on investments and revenue this year. and then in the next year take the time to go over what we would do with real revenue reform. you can't do in it a matter of weeks right now. >> if they do not make this deal on tax rates for the top 2%, then they're going to go away and then we come back and pass tax cuts for everybody under $250. >> families are doing that now, budgeting every single dollar that they have to make sure that they can have the christmas they want for their children. they don't have to budget starting in january a tax increase. >> and throw this in to the pot. developing now, take a look. the house is now leaving town with just three days on the legislative calendar to avoid the fiscal cliff. let's bring in capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. kelly, the house majority leader eric cantor issued a warning and optics matter and to see that shot in t

earlier this evening, i had the privilege of speaking with tom coburn of oklahoma. >> thank you for being with us tonight. >> glad to be here ezra. >> the deal is dead, we are down to a small deal, a mini deal or going over the cliff straight, what is your reaction to this? >> i'm not sure it's true. just talking to my colleagues in the senate, i think the middle ground is well known by everyone and i think you could get something that is viewed by the rating agencies and the american public as a pretty good solution. so i think it's possible, i don't know that it will happen. it's unfortunate that we are waiting until this late in the hour to try to accomplish something. >> so then, what do you see as the middle ground, i know you are a member of the gang of 8. >> when you talk to colleagues what do they see as what can be salvaged here? >> let me answer the first part of that. none of us wanted to jeopardize what was going on. so we did not intentionally interject other than very little behind the scenes saying we needed to get something done. as far as specifics. i don't know, there's

the poster boy for this one is oklahoma senator tom coburn who said today that he would rather see tax rates go up than close loopholes because then he thinks he can get tax reform passed in the future. a little bit of wishful thinking. >> i know we have to raise revenue. i don't really care which way we do it. actually, i would rather see the rates go up than do it the other way because it gives us greater chance to reform the tax code and broaden the base in the future. >> jennifer: so he's not giving in. he's just bargaining now to see what he can get later. and then we've got the fourth stage which is depression. which is often accompanied according to elizabeth kubler ross by wistful thoughts of better times. newt gingrich is planted firmly in this stage. he said he longs for the 1990s when republicans led by him of course, were, in his estimate aches, republicans were more able, more powerful, able to get president clinton to bend to their will or at least so he said on piers morgan last night when he said "we earned president clinton's respect by closing the government twice and

coburn thought that we had to raise taxes. he was wrong. we got that written into law because we took tax increases off the table. and coburn went into the gang of six for months and months and had to walk out of the room because the democrats were not willing to reduce spending at all. he has not called to say, thank you, my approach was wrong. but in his conversation with durbin he learned they are not interested in cutting spending. they only want to raise taxes. only when you take tax increases off the table, as the republicans -- coburn voted for the correct bill that cuts spending -- he was not trying to do a bad thing. his strategic thinking was flawed. you have to understand where the other team is coming from if you put taxes on the table, they cannot focus on anything else. they do not even see or hear your conversation about spending. you talked about the obamacare medical tax earlier. we just put this out on our website. obama is now going to tax starting january 1 low-income people who have high medical bills. that is one of th

but i think about senators coburn and corker, publicly saying, maybe we go along with that part of the deal? >> well, the problem is, it's political fodder. if you look at the math, it doesn't do anything. simple, you know, the president wanted $1.6 trillion over 10 years, $160 billion a year? we may borrow $1.2 tril yen, but the amount of taxes is 8% of that spending. it doesn't come close to solving the problem. it just helps the leftist ideology punish people they don't like. if you want to save this country, we need to deal with the reality. it's about spending. this country has an addiction to excessive spending. time we stepped up and to deal with it. >> we are focused on getting more revenue and the spending side. we will continue to talk about that the next two hours here. congressman, thank you for your time. if you get a response from the speaker's office, let us know. >> thank you for having me. >> facing death threats, a growing number of christians are fleeing egypt for the u.s. we are live at a church that is helping thome start their liefer lives here. >> the issue of sa

democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 6th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, msnbc political analyst, former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. >> mr. professor. >> good morning. >> professor. >> and we have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> financier. >> rattner is here. i like -- and we have to go back to that. it's the truth. >> it is! >> money is money. >> in washington, msnbc and "time" senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> we saw him on the streets of d.c. yesterday, and he was very cagey. >> the mean streets of d.c. >> yes. he was so cagey. >> he was. >> yes. yes. >> you can't ever ask those guys what they're doing, wherever they are. where you going?

i thought it was very significant yesterday when senator coburn expressed a willingness now to think differently on that issue. if there's momentum, tamron, i think it's on the white house side of the aisle. >> and to your point, louisiana governor bobby jindal has an op-ed, and he wrote in part, any reading the headlines over the past week indicates that republicans are fighting to protect the rich and cut benefits for seniors. it may be possible to have a worse political positioning than that, but i'm not sure how. that's a republican who certainly is trying to put his name out there after the election. he says if there's something worse going on, he can't see it. >> i think there's a marked difference between this negotiation and what took place two summers, i guess, ago between speaker boehner and the president when frankly i thought the white house did a poor job of its advocacy for its own position. this is different. it's as if they learned i lesson. they're digging in deeply this time around. they have the wind at their back because of an election result. it's a strategy. as

senator tom coburn, thank you so much. always good to have you on the show. >> thank you. >>> david gregory, can you stay? >> sure. >>> when we come back, republican congressman tom cole of oklahoma and democratic congressman chris van hollen of maryland. oh, look, they're talking and laughing. that's good. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by -- oh and there's t.j. -- starbucks. is what drives us to broadcast the world's biggest events in 3d, or live to your seat high above the atlantic ocean. it's what drives us to create eco-friendly race tracks, batteries that power tomorrow's cars, nearly indestructible laptops, and the sustainable smart towns of the future. at panasonic, we're driven to make what matters most better. just another way we're engineering a better world for you. olaf gets great rewards for his small business! pizza! [ garth ] olaf's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! helium delivery. put it on my spark card! [ pop! ] [ garth ] why settle for less? great businesses deserve

. >> this weekend, you can talk with oklahoma senator tom coburn about the fiscal cliff and the future of the republican party. the senator has written several books and reports. join our three-hour conversation with your calls, e-mails, tweets, and facebook comments for medical doctor, author, and senator tom coburn. >> he worked his way up, went to harvard law school, and at the urging of one of his brothers, emigrated out west to illinois. he arrived after about a month's journey by ship, by stagecoach, by train, and arrived on a steamboat in this muddy mining town, board himself in a log cabin, established a law practice, and slowly worked his way up and became a very successful lawyer and then got involved politically, ran for congress, served for eight terms, and then defended abraham lincoln, obviously, from illinois, and then ulysses s. grant. as they were on the rise, washburne stated them is very close colleagues. after grant was elected president, he initially appointed him secretary of state, after which time, he became very ill. his family actually feared for his life. aft

coburn: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from oklahoma. mr. coburn: i ask the quorum call be dispensed with. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. coburn: i just wanted to spend a few minutes talking about the reid amendment 3255, and 30 point out to my colleagues i know this amendment will pass, but i believe we ought to be on record as voting to add $1.7 billion in additional funds that our kids are going to pay for. this is paid for, but it's smoke and mirrors. we've used a trick in how we do this. and ultimately what's going to happen is here's another bill that will require funding from the health account at the pentagon, which is in operations and maintenance, which means we will not have $1.7 billion for naval exercises, for flight training, for tank training, for range training. in other words, out of this account is where comes all the preparedness. and i must give president obama credit. he has recommended what the committee recommended doing for the last two and a half years. and now we have an amendment that takes where the

i think tom coburn thinks it's going to happen. i wanted to play a bite from him and get your reaction. here he is. >> sure. >> i'm okay to compromise even on some of my issues, if, in fact, we'll solve the problem. but what we have is a game being played for political -- for the extreme right wing and the extreme left win rather than coming together and leading and solving the problem. >> so grover norquist. if you had to accept the tax rates would go up, all right, just they're going to go up and they're going to go up on somebody. what would you really want in return? not revenue-neutral. real tax increases. what do you want in return? >> well, i am in favor of revenue increases -- look, if you grow at 4% a year instead of 2% a year, reagan levels instead of obama levels or french levels, you get $5 trillion in additional revenue over a decade. we could pay down all of the overspending of obama's first term by having 4% growth instead of 2% growth. and we know how to do it, because we did it under reagan. >> but why would you cu

senator jim demint and senator tom coburn launched an investigation in 2011 and released a report in october detailing a little bit of some of the mismanagement, spending, the cronyism going on in this country. all 11 members of the board of brand usa are democratic donors. >> what a shocking surprise. that's the best thing i heard that was not in your article. all the donors were democratic donors. i wish you had told me that. that actually clinches the whole thing. get rid of it. now, let's go to some more government excess. environmental rules, automotive rules and obama care regulations. nobody knew this was coming. they're all coming now. not just conservatives saying it. but it's all part of the regulatory avalanche. it's a tsunami that some people predicted after the election. the mainstream media is finally recognizing it and we're going to give you a regulatory hawk who tells us why it's going to harm the economy. stay with us, please. those little things still get you. for you, life's about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis

tom coburn says he did not vote to confirm chuck hagel if president obama nominated him. hagel a former republican senator he says lacks the experience to manage an organization like the pentagon. margaret thatcher leaving the hospital. she was admitted last week for an operation to remove a bladder growth. >> gregg: senate majority leader harry reid saying he is not overly optimistic that a deal will be reached to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. even if they get something passed here there are other challenges that our economy will face. global powers like china and europe and japan are having major problems of their own. that could affect the way they do business with us. joining us is to talk about, ed, good to see you. biggest problem some of these governments to stimulate their economies, die let's just print a bunch of money. that has catastrophic events with them and even with the united states that may tried traded with them. >> that seems to be just to print money. that is not how it works. when somebody prints money, it's devalues their currency which makes an

senator tom coburn has talked about redundancy in programs, senators and congressmen not looking back to see if there is a matrix in place and to see if they're actually working so that nonperforming programs -- host: let's get a response, because we're running out of time. guest: once again, i cannot emphasize enough that i am very much in favor of eliminating fraud and waste and inefficiency. it is hard to do. i don't agree with you that we are not doing it already. and i don't agree wiou

specifically tom coburn questions the feature of the summit called the zombie apocalypse. organizers say it was meant as a training exercise. more than $3 billion has been spent on homeland security according to coburn's report. >>> the s.e.c. may change the rules about using -- the fcc may change the rules about electronic devices. the new york times report the chairman wants you to be able to use your electronics all of the time. he sent a letter to the federal aviation administration, they plan to consider it. >>> let's check traffic right now. tara, what are you seeing on the roads now? >> i'm gonna take a look at your bay area bridges. we have an accident to report. i can show you exactly where. just past the toll plaza on 580 westbound. you can see that we have this accident right here. it's blocking one of the lanes and causing backups. up next we'll look at the bay bridge toll plaza. this has kind of been fluctuating. it is looking good and better. give yourself a little bit of extra time here but not nearly as bad about an hour, hour and a half ago. up next a look

coburn may be a outlie yer. susan collins just told a local reporter back in maine, that she thinks that the idea of just passing tax cut extensions for the middle class, letting those for the wealthy expire, might be the way to go at this point. but she says there should be a carve out for small businesses. so we might be seeing some movement here. it's baby steps, but movement among senate republicans. >> senate republicans very different from house republicans. the key problem is house republicans. i don't think the senate republicans will be a big problem. here is what the president said today on the sensitive issue of making sure this debate doesn't come back in february or march, listen to this. >>> if congress in any way suggests they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default once again -- as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way we have never done in our history until last year, i will not play that game. because we have to break that habit before i

today's guests include finance committee member tom coburn and democratic senator stabenow. share elect republican representative henserling and the co-chair. fox news sunday with chris wallace, today's sitting down with chuck schumer of new york and republican senator bob corker, a member of the senate banking committee. also today, the israeli ambassador to the u.s. talking with managing director of the imf, christine lagarde. at 4:00, "face the nation." bob schieffer talks with alan simpson and erskine bowles, co-cahairs, and cory booker. they're all brought to you as a public service by the networks. they begin at noon with "meet the press." 1:00, abc's "this week." and 4:00, "face the nation" cbs. listen on 90.1 in the d.c. area and satellite channel 119. you can listen on your smartphone or go online to cspanradio.org. >> the supreme court will look at what was passed in 2008 by a majority of 6-3 and they will say it is precedent. indiana had a voter i.d. -- >> the indiana case was constitutional for them to establish identification. they did not say that all of the st

yesterday, it was parker and coburn. today, florida governor haley barbour. he said, "i would take raising rates on the top brackets if, in return, we had tax return." he wants the rates to go up on the top two brackets. as soon as republicans accept reality, middle-class families taxes will not go up. i am confident an agreement can be reached. >> [indiscernible] placeholders and cloture motions? some republicans are saying this is restricting the amendment process, and part of the reason they are threatening to filibuster. why have you chosen to pursues those -- pursue those practices? >> i have explained before, but let me give an example. we have to spend 8 to 10 senate days, a couple of weeks, to get on a bill, because they virtually oppose every time we try to get a bill. that with 10 days. with that 10 days, if we did not have to do that, there could be amendments. we arrive at a point where we do not have time to do that, when you do that hundreds of times each congress. we have done it hundreds of times in the last six years. they are crying wolf. it

my buddy, tom coburn, said it a year and a half ago. the bigger this deal, the more cover we all have. if this is a comprehensive deal, fine. the higher the number is -- if they come -- if boehner says raise taxes $1 but he's only cutting $2 trillion over the next ten years when we're going to increase the debt by $5 trillion, i'm not voting for it. but if they come at you with a $4 trillion deal, a $5 trillion deal that's more comprehensive, at that point, the bigger the deal is, the harder it is to turn your back on it. >> also, again, if the u.s. economy responds favorably, doesn't that give everybody a lot of cushion, if suddenly you're running with tailwinds rather than headwinds? big difference running for re-election when you've got a 2.5% or 3% growth. >> i ran against clinton tax increases in 1993. and i kept running against them every two years. and i kept winning by larger margins. i said it was the cuts that made the economy grow, and i believed that. obviously bill clinton made some really tough choices that i will now, 15

senator coburn will have four or five spending cuts to go through so the senate is going to have a lot of debate on that but there's definitely enough support for the bill to get through in the end whatever the -- the question is how much of that money should be emergency spending or how much is emergency spending that needs to be spent right now and how much can be pushed back for years. host: on our democrats line, lisa. caller: i'm a resident and live. my promise financially, i am not working. i cannot have -- in my house that the time. my grandson is going to school. i could not celebrate christmas for me and my husband. my husband is going to school and working graveyard shift. and financially and mentally we are suffering very hard. mentally, physically, emotionally. i don't think it's fair about obama. i agree with obama. i feel that boehner needs to agree with obama. host: the president went out the week before last and was touring the country telling folks you ened to get on your congressma and we need additional revenue. during the christmas break, for however long it is befo

>> reporter: tom coburn. >> kelly, go ahead. yeah. >> reporter: i would say tom coburn of oklahoma who has a lot of credibility on these conservative issues. bob corker of tennessee is a voice who has been trying to make a bigger imprint. and one of the things to factor into the unity you're seeing with the republican leadership which does feel different this time around is while boehner has been selected by his fellow republicans to be the leader of their conference as speaker, he must be elected in the new congress in january. so he's got something on the line here, too. there's a lot of confidence about the future of his speakership, but it isn't official yet. and so he's got to play this very carefully from just the perspective of holding on to the gavel. >> kelly o'donnell, thanks very much for joining us. on wednesday, senator tom coburn will be with us right here on "morning joe." >> reporter: great segue. >> thank you very much. you didn't know you were doing that on purpose. >> she's always teasing. >>> the president an

. >> host: senator coburn had a report that he sponsored. it was written up in the papers last week about homeland security grants, that really ballooned since the 9/11 attacks. and you're looking at cities that have made up implausible scenarios for terrorist attacks. room to cut? >> guest: i think so, yeah. i'm not an expert in the homeland security area but i'm familiar with the general point and i agree when the federal government starts giving out grants like this, there's lots of room for abuse and made-up roles and made-up responsibilities to try to get federal money. i think that has taken place to some extent in that area and i would take a hard look cutting back. >> host: isabel sawhill, what are you hearing here? >> guest: no one can disagree with the idea we ought to make sure that the government has well-performing programs. i would give the current administration pretty high marks on worrying about that. they have a whole program in place to evaluate programs and where the evidence suggests they're not working, they are trying

republican tom coburn said it's fixing the wrong problem. how many republicans, just again ballpark, share that sentiment? >> there are thousands of public and private schools that have security guards who are armed. i don't think it's an impossibility we would have more security at school. i think a lot of parents would like to see that. i don't think there is any disagreement people want to see a solution now. there are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation right now. the argument that a gun ban is going to help solve the problem right now is, i think that is what wayne was trying to say, what are you going to here and now. the schools are under siege. >> gregg: and was bill clinton in the aftermath of columbine that recommended greater school security. we'll see what happens. susan ferrichio, thanks very much. >> heather: a congregation hit hard by super storm sandy has a big christmas wish, to spend the holiday together in their church. right now the community is working hard to make that happen. douglas kennedy has that story. ♪

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oklahoma's republican senator tom coburn a leading conservative saying he is okay with raising taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. in a few moments, soledad o'brien will talk with oregon senator is jeff merkley. he sits on the budget committee. >>> naeem davis now charged with murder for allegedly pushing a man off a new york city subway platform. davis was arraigned last night on a second-degree murder charge. police say he pushed 50-year-old ki-suk han on to the tracks and into the path of an oncoming subway train. >>> internet security pioneer john mcafee could be deported to belize as early as today. guatemalan officials detained mcafee yesterday. they accuse him of entering their country illegally. he turned up in guatemala on tuesday after disappearing from his home in belize. police there want to question mcafee in connection with a murder, his neighbor's murder. he says he is innocent, but that he went into hiding because he feared persecution by police in belize. >>> the duchess of cambridge has discharged from a london hospital. she is nearly three months pregnant and

yesterday it was coburn. today was another. he said he would take raising rates are the top 2 bracket -- and went on with other things he wanted. he wants the rates to go up on the top 2 brackets. i am confident that agreement can be reached. >> [inaudible] some republicans are saying that this is restricting. that is part of the reason that they are threatening to filibuster. why have you chosen to pursue this? >> i will give you an example. we have to spend eight to 10 days. we need to get on a bill. they virtually opposed every time we tried to get on a bill. that wastes 10 days. we could have been on a bill and an amendment. we do not have time to do that when you do that hundreds of times each time. there are scores of times we have done it. hundreds of times in the last six years. they are crying wolf. >> other than the big fiscal cliff, what else do you need to get done before leaving question mark -- leaving? >> we need to do the supplemental funds. intelligence gathering apparatus. we have to do something on spending.

. >> senator coburn says in return, republicans would get significant reform of entitlement programs. >> at least the two are sort of together, speaking, without cameras around. >> right. >> so they can get work done. >> the difference between the last meeting, they're not coming out and sort of saying, well, they're not budging. they're not budging. they sort of cam out and said we are not going to talk about it. a good sign too. >> i hope so. sort of riff di >>> tension is building in egypt. morsi ordered the military to keep the peace. thousand gathered outside the presidential palace for the fifth straight night. calling for a boycott to undermine the vote. morsi tried to appease his opposition. opposition leaders still say the draft constitution was dominated by morsi's ally. they're calling for new protests this week. and i'm sort of surprised that, he didn't, expect this sort of backlash, because, you can't just decide to amend the constitution on your own and say now i have, total power, and i am, now a dictator. >> he gave ground on that. but they want to go ahead and try to

on cbs, dick durbin and tom coburn, the republican from oklahoma. fox news this morning, on fox news sunday, senator lindsey graham, the republican from south carolina, on what senator dianne feinstein, democrat of california. it should be a busy morning on the sunday shows. back to your calls. june is waiting from wisconsin, on the independent line. good morning. host: good morning. first of all, shame on a congress, particularly the republicans who have just wanted to does -- to destroy this country. the tea party, i am so glad i am able to say this, the t stands for treason, because they have done all they possibly can to ruin america, to overthrow our government. host: can you take us through the next 48 hours on this debate on the fiscal cliff? what needs to happen? caller: ok. i say, the president should be willing to come up to $300,000, as far as tax increases. we need revenue. $400,000, some people make that. we need revenue. the only way to get it is to get it from people who actually have the money. there is no shame in helping our govern

. >> what did you think of senator coburn's assessment? >> i have a great deal of respect for the senator, but this, i disagree. it would accomplished very little in terms of economic efficiency. with unemployment still high and -- we need to seek ways to make ourselves a friendly place. i am very concerned that i have seen the president continues to say that 97% of small businesses would not be affected. it is a very misleading statistic. anyone who has any profit from a sale on ebay would have -- we would be calling them a small business. more than half of the income is in that bracket. i strongly disagree. >> they're willing to make some sacrifices as long as we really are on the right path. they see that as their own long-term liability. thank you to both of you. >> thank you to my colleagues from pennsylvania. i would like ask dr. hassett -- the president's proposal had some specifics. i think it is clear there is a headline tax increase that he wants $1.60 trillion. what the administration would describe is $600 billion in spending r

mike crapo comments xp chambliss and tom coburn and the turbine on the other side actually step out on a limb here and it will tell you where we are in tribal politics that when barack obama praised mccain and six, and need to see a republican senate immediately sent an e-mail to "politico" saying that kills the land. if he is for it, work instead. this is less about ideology now than tribalism. so that's the challenge we have and it's not encouraging moderates are providing space. it's intimidating them. getting into the question of every time i get people who live congress, look at republicans in the psyche been inside a tent we are breathing a gas and suddenly you're outside and say how could i have done not? how could i have acted that way? whenever ideas is to create a shadow congress that consists of former members who span the spectrum, to start a common set of facts and have them debate not in the way congress used to because congress is never a great debating society, the genuine debates and discussions that are going to have huge audiences but can provide a model for how vote

. >> when coburn takes off 6 billion on ethanol and grover calls it a tax increase, i called him. >> tom is helping on this. i'm gaining ground. >> is she well? and to listen there. sam donaldson said he would. >> would you mind holding this book for her one of our member's? >> i didn't write this book. i don't get any money out of this. the money goes to the author. i don't get any. no, it's true. >> thank you so much, sir. thank you so much. >> you are welcome. yours get special care. >> hello, senator. i used to work with michael toner at center thurmond's office in the 80's and this is my husband. we are big fans of yours. >> i needed in my line of work. >> you are sweetheart. it's so nice to see you and i can't wait to read this. a. >> it's a good book. i will personalize it. >> we are getting one for his mom and dad. thank you, senator. it's great to see you. >> it will just tear their heart out. >> you are been changed a bit. >> travis jordan. it's been a couple of years. i was a -- scholar back in 2006. there we go. >> he is something else so i'm working for senator in see st

tom coburn, a leading conservative and fiscal hawk saying he'd prefer raising taxes on the wealthy as a way to raise revenues. >>> a bitter turf war between twitter and instagram elle cl escalating. no one on twitter will be able to see the images posted on instagram. instagram's goal is getting people to post more photos on their site. >>> a man cannot have any more children until he shows proof that he can actually afford those children. 44-year-old corey curtis is charged with failure to support two of the nine children that he's fathered with six women. he owes $85,000 and says he is ready to abide by the judge's order. >> good idea. >> all right. the grammy nominations announced in style with a star-studded concert, jay z and kanye west were among the six artists tied for the most nominations, six apiece. the grammy awards ceremony, music's biggest night will be held in february 10th in los angeles. >>> you'd never know it's the holidays in new york city by the temperatures. it's been in the 60s here this week. i'm worried by daffodils are going to come up. where's winter? meteor

tom coburn, the total $2 trillion. without a lot of work and without a lot of pain. and so, the problem is that boehner's allowed himself to get into this debate where it's really defined much more about the president's agenda, which is more focused on tax increases, than really addressing the spending problem. >> you know, i can argue from the president's side. and here's the argument. we aren't coming close to raising enough money to fund the entitlements that we've already promised people. so we're going to have to cut back on the promises that we've made, and still raise revenue just to make good on -- on those scaled-back promises. >> and people want a lot of these entitlements. when you ask them, they say i want smaller government but they want all these entitlements. we voted for -- we voted for more government and bigger entitlements. >> you know -- >> i don't think we did. i think mitt romney didn't make the case, look, basic problem was we had a guy as a republican nominee who was a good person, and a good business person, and a terrible presidential candid