. >> most importantly, i brought my bible. this was written by my mother with my name, with my address, ♪ ♪ it's the final countdown! ♪ ♪ the final countdown! if you're the band europe, you love a final countdown. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. misswill turn anan asphalt parking lot into a new neighborhood for san franciscans. a vote for "yes" on "d" is definitely a vote for more parks and open space. a vote on proposition "d" is a vote for jobs. campos: no one is being displaced. it's 40% affordable units near the waterfront for regular people. this is just a win-win for our city. i'm behind it 100%. voting yes on "d" is so helpful to so many families in our city. >>> donald trump is leading if polls. today is the value voter summit. here are some of trump today. >> most importantly, i brought my bible. and, you know, it's first prez bier tier yan church, jamaica. and this was written by my mother with my name -- it was a long time

watch. >> i brought my bible. see. i am better than you thought, you see? and actually this was given to me by my mother and i noticed she wrote a beautiful inscription. mary mccloud from scotland and very religious actually and it was something i thought i would bring along today because this group respects the bibles and respects out everything he said. he pulled out his confirmation and joked all that and i am still here. he was questioned about his faith by the likes of dr. ben carson and others. we'll hear from other candidates. and first of the nation caucus. >> carl, we look forward to it. >> later on tonight mike huckabee will tune in with judge janine. and you can't miss this. carly fiorina will be on fox news sunday tomorrow. and so check your local listings for times. pope francis kicking off a historic world wind tour in cuba. the pontiff is credited in playing a key role in restoring the ties with the two countries this afternoon, cuba's gratitude was on full display. [speaking spanish] ♪ >> today we renew the bonds of cooperation and friends

of 9/11 the girders of the twisted wreckage of the world trade center of a cross and fused to it a bible. the pope has chosen that site for a moment of reflection. we will show you that if we can, and it will be a moment of silence during this ceremony. we just finished hearing from the pope, and we are trying to see now on this screen if he is there yet, and he is entering the area where this cross is. and it is a big point of attraction and significant fascination of people as they come and they make the rounds there at the museum of the memorial site, and they are fascinate fascinated by the weeping wall and what it means, and that is often the site of prayer, and then there is a girder cross. ♪ >> one point of significance as to why the bible matters is because it was not only found in the wreckage, but it is found where almost nothing else is recognizable and give n the moment and the context to what it is, it mattered to people as did the girder cross as to where it was randomly cut out to what was there, and so it is part of the shrine. ♪ ♪ >> of course, that is archbishop t

. >> i can't help but notice the bible in your lap. >> yes. >> that's the bible you had? >> yes, it's blood-stained. this is the blood. this is the blood. >> it was faith that brought these two women to the mother emmanuel ame church that fateful night in june and it's now faith sustaining them after witnessing such horror at the hands of 21-year-old dylann roof, who turned on them, driven by racist hatred. >> we were just about to say the prayer to be released. and he caught us with our eyes closed. i never told nobody this. >> eyes were closed? >> we had our eyes closed. shots rang out. >> sanders was at the bible study with her aunt, suzi jackson, her 11-year-old granddaughter and 26-year-old son. >> i remember my son saying, mama, he shot me in the head. and i was telling my son, i said, just, just lay here, just lay here. and my granddaughter was hollering, saying she was so afraid. it hurts me so bad. because i struggle with what could i have done differently than i did? because i tried my best to save all of them. >> you saved your granddaughter. you held her. >> y

i never thought about bible study. >> why would you? >> church is supposed to be safe. >> there was a young man that shot a tv reporter and a camera person. >> yeah. >> recently. and he said the charleston church shooting was the breaking point. >> that made me so sad because i never wanted any one parent to feel what i felt. >> determined to carry on, at the bond hearing just two days after the massacre, relatives of the victim shocked the country with their display of mercy. >> i have forgiven him now. that was important for me to speak to dylann. i want him to know that he failed. >> that was nbc nightly news anchor lester holt with this emotional exclusive interview with the survivors of the mother emanuel church shooting. >>> we turn now to new developments and the nypd commissioner wanting to apologize to retired tennis pro james blake. blake asked for an apology after he says he was thrown to the ground and handcuffed by police in front of his manhattan hotel. he discussed the incident this morning and called the arrest for mista

donald trump has never read the bible. the reason we know he has never read the bible. he is not in the bible. >> jindal's comments come a day after ben carson also questioned the roll of faith in donald trump's life. this morning, donald trump responded. >> all of a sudden, he becomes this great religious figure. i don't think he is a great religious figure. all of a sudden he gets on very low key, frankly, he looks like he makes bush look like the energizer bunny. he doesn't even know me. i've met him a few times. i don't know ben carson. he was a doctor. perhaps an okay doctor, by the way. >> there are like four hash tags there. dr. carson did the first surgery with conjoined twins joined at the head but today he said he doesn't want to get in a gladiator fight. thank you both for being here. you know, as we look at what's happening at the moment. carson saying he doesn't want to get in a fight. we have bobby jindal saying do i want to get in a fight because i want to up my poll number from one or two to four or five. as we look at time going forward, is that the onl

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. >> i don't think he's read the bible, he's built in the bible. i -- not in the bible. i don't think he reads books when he's not in them. >> the latest on the war of word over who is more religious. >> if you're looking for a way to clearly communicate your feelings about >>> we have some breaking science news this morning. we brought you the first report when sciences released information on a new humanlike species discovered in south africa. >> now all eyes are on the weekend weather. >> it's going to be an up and down weekend after a beautiful friday. join us tomorrow morning. >>> let's get back to the breaking news we told you about at the top of the broadcast. a manhunt for a suspect in a double shooting, it all started in montgomery county, but the search is reaching well into other areas at this hour that, search for a suspect still on, our debra alfarone live at the scene. debra. >> reporter: yeah, bruce, we're here on university boulevard east. you can see there's quite a crime scene behind me. what we're hearing is that two people were actually shot around 9:

he's not in the bible. i don't think he reads books where he's not in them. >> reporter: jindal was the second candidate in as many days to discuss trump's religious conviction. this was neurosurgeon ben carson last night. >> that's a very big part of who i am, humility and the fear of the lord. i don't get that impression with him. >> reporter: in the latest cnn national poll of republicans, trump and carson were the only candidates in double digits, and trump's support among key voting blocs is increasing. in less than a month his support among g.o.p. women has gone from 20% to 33%, this despite a history of disparaging comments about women. speaking to "rolling stone" magazine, trump said of carly fiorina, "look at that face. would anyone vote for that?" fiorina responded during an appearance on fox news with megyn kelly, who trump has also ridiculed. >> well, i think those comments speak for themselves, and all the many, many, many thousands of voters out there that are helping me climb in the polls, ye

. >>> and republican front runner donald trump, carrying a bible. speaking to evangelical leaders. getting an unexpected response. booed after blasting marco rubio. calling him a, quote, "clown." rubio been gaining in the latest polls. here's tom llamas on the campaign trail. >> reporter: donald trump walking into the value voters summit, bible in hand. >> most importantly i brought my bible. >> reporter: promising today to save christmas. >> you go to the stores and it says "happy holidays." i want to see merry christmas. remember the expression merry christmas? you don't see it anymore. you're going to see it if i get elected. i can tell you right now. >> reporter: but trump then apparently committing a political sin. >> i mean, you have this clown, marco rubio. i've been so nice to him. i've been so nice. >> reporter: showered with boos after slamming senator marco rubio. rubio, rising in the polls, and taking on trump. >> but he can't have a conversation about policy because, quite frankly, he doesn't know anything about policy. >> reporter: but trump does know how to fight. no

i love the bible. >> i love the bible. i love the bible. but i love the bible. you hated to leave church, evangelicals. i love the evangelicals. i love them. they love me. they do. why do they love me? you will have to ask them. kanye west. i will never say bad about him. he loves trump. i love him. maybe in a few years i have to run against him. i'll take it back. and ladders. sfx: [screams] they have all those warnings on 'em. might as well say... 'you're gonna die, jeff.' you hired someone to clean the gutters. not just someone. angie's list helped me find a highly rated service provider to do the work at a fair price. ♪ everyone can shop, but members get more with reviews, live customer support, and better pricing. visit angieslist.com today. we don't use msg, bha, bht or partially hydrogenated oils. why? because if it's not a better ingredient, it doesn't make a better pizza. it's that simple. ♪ >>> a group of republican presidential candidates desperate for attention in the summer of trump took a stand against the rule of law rallying behind rowan coun

the bible, in both the old and new testament, god hates divorce. and there are very few exceptions where divorce is allowed. it goes on to name adulterers and people who have divorced in the same vein as any other sin. she has chosen this lying in the sand to be the sin of same sex. there are people who might wonder if she worked there, will she then look at me in the same objective or less than objective way of same-sex marriage and not give me a license? she cannot do her job. >> if someone wants to make a charge of discrimination against kim davis, let them come forward. >> and they have, obviously. >> the united states supreme court in the hobby lobby case said it's not the government's job to decide whether it's consistent with their beliefs or a reasonable objection. the government's job is to decide whether it's sincere. >> but she's not following the federal government. >> it doesn't matter. the test is the same. government employees are not exempted or excluded from rifra application. >> well, right now she is behind bars and we'll see if

clarity on his take on the bible? you asked him about the bible. you ask him -- he calls it an awesome book. the only -- a great book -- >> it's terrific. >> -- behind that is "the art of the deal," of course. when you ask him why it's such a great book, this is what he said. >> there's so many things that you can learn from it, proverbs, the chapter never been to envy. i've had that thing all of my life where people are bending to envy. and they're just -- actually, it's an incredible book. the more you see it, the more you read it, the more incredible it is. and the more -- it's like a great -- you could say -- i mean, i don't like to use this analogy, but like great movie. a great incredible movie. you'll see it once, it will be good. you can see it 20 times, and every time you'll appreciate it more. >> what do you think of his answer there? >> well, it needed some clarification. there's no doubt about that. and as a matter of fact, we talked to the campaign afterwards because there was a lot of stuff happening at the time. and he was talking ab

it is a bible given by the reverend john rankin. abolitionist in ohio. he held tight slaves in his home in on his property as they escaped on the state of kentucky over the ohio river into the state of ohio. he then would move them farther north, ultimately on their way to canada. the bible is given by john reagan to his daughter in law, nkin, on her wedding day to his son. about really special bibles like this is that they have a lot of family photographs in the back. there's also family records in this. thee researched through bible, we hope to discover more about the underground railroad and the city of cincinnati and the family lineage that began .ith reverend john rankin the last item i like to show you of 12 first edition book plates by solomon northrup. this is an early printing of the first edition. the book was so popular when it was published a second printing was made. that is what we're looking at here. solomon northrup was a free man in the city of new york that was kidnapped, brought into the south, sold several times as a slave. although t

i am not an expert on the bible. nor am i a catholic. i am just a united states senator from the small state of vermont. but, i agree with pope francis who will soon becoming to visit us in the united states. [applause] i agree with pope francis when he says, and i quote "the current financial crisis originated in a profound human crisis, the denial of the primacy of the human person." this is what he writes. "we have created new idols. the worship of the ancient golden calf has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money, and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose." [applause] the pope also writes "there is a need for financial reform along ethical lines that would produce in its turn and economic reform to benefit everyone. money has to serve, not to rule." [applause] now those are pretty profound words, which i hope we will all think about. in the pope's view, and i agree with him, we are living in a nation and in a world, and the bible speaks to this issue, in a nation and in a world

>> it's funny, we put a bible verse in the film, they say you're punching us in the face with the bible. we say, okay. >> stephen and alex live in georgia far from hollywood but war room is their fifth film. >> two white guys from south georgia. can we write a movie with an african-american cast in it and be accepted? this cast was amazing. to see it on the screen, i don't think we could have told it as powerfully another way. >> i would add, we wanted to tell the type of stories that bring faith and hope, inspiration, that draw people to a closer walk with god. if we can do that, that's success. >> of course, i had to ask the brothers the next project. they said several things are in the works. they'll pray on it and decide. >>> up next, mini darth vader needed a life saving surgery. why he's back in the o.r. as his family prays he'll pull through. >> amen. >> good, mom. >> plus, joan rivers a year ago today, she passed away. now we're with the stars she touched. >> she was strong and she spoke her mind. >> she always made me laugh. >> that's straight ahead. >>> closed captioning provi

this is what the bible says. you guys like the bottle? i told you where going to open it, use it and destroy the words of the devil in you will know the truth and the truth will -- you guys got this. number 4, this is very interesting, pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it. cut off support networks and isolate the targets from the enemy. you know exactly what this feels like. go after people and not institutions. people hurt faster than institutions. that is exactly what is happening today. it is funny because it costs me nothing to be friends with some pastors but it will cost pastors a lot to be friends with some of us because when we get frozen and isolated and polarized they cut you off from any sympathizers. >> the greatest compliment god could give you is to put you in the game. listen to what he says to the children of israel in joshua for the lord has pronounced rang and nations in front of you and as for you, no man stood before you to this day. and god fight for you as he promises, does the board fight for y

. >> reporter: this group heard trump say the bible is his favorite book. when asked about favorite scripture, it's too personal a question. >> when you become a christian, you want to tell others what happened to you. before i have been saved, i didn't care about telling anybody about jesus christ. >> so you are saying -- >> once i gave my heart to the lord, man, everybody needs to know how to go to heaven and i wanted to tell everybody. >> reporter: on other important issues like immigration the group as a whole is happy to see trump has the nerve to address it. they agree the southern border needs a wall. meanwhile, on the issue of abortion rights. >> the fact that at one point he supported abortion lites rights, now he is pro-life, he says she pro-life. >> for me either you are pro-life or you are not? that's where i'm at. >> if trump turns out to be the nominee, would you all vote for him? >> that is the one thing stwre to do. we have got to rally. he play not be the perfect person and there isn't a perfect candidate out there that has everything, but

shorter than the bible. >> i think you should have religious freedom. you can pray to any gods you want and i have the right to say that you're crazy. >> yes. you can believe it. you want to believe -- made of cheese. >> are you telling me it's not. >> i'm telling you if you think so you're a fool. >> all right, all right. >> when you're talking about working in a place of business really because we all praise the almighty dollar and i don't remember god taking visas. >> well i'm a little suspicious about the whole thing. if this is a mu muslim person ad she says according to sharia law, she's believing in the same kind. >> according to sharia law she would be married to her first husband and not allowed to work. [crowd cheering] >> i love your hypothetical but that wouldn't necessitate the people of kentucky electing a muslim. >> come on, it would be like an obama secret muslim. >> right. >> obama secret must lump. >> i think we can safely blame obama. >> absolutely. >> i grew up in a very religious -- pec pentecostal, speaking in lungs tongues, fallg

mean, even the bible. he's condoning, and i hope somebody gets a chance to ask him what he thinks about cutting up babies. because he ain't going to come out with it on his own. host: do you think he condones abortion? caller: i think he'd like to see americans dead, period. host: ok. why do you say that? caller: because he's from the eastern part of the world. host: what do you mean, eastern part of the world? caller: doesn't the pope live in the east? doesn't the vatican and all that, isn't that in the east? host: ok, all right, lakeland, florida, democrat. yesterday, father lombardi, the vatican, current director of the press office, held a news nference about what the pope is expecting to receive from the american people. listen to his answer. father lombardi: if we listen what the pope says in his piece normally, it's always to isten. express e also appreciation for the eastern american nation and the american church. and the pope means that he -- also from the american faithful. and they have impress

trump has repeatedly said on the campaign trail that the bible is his favorite book. but some people are questioning how sincere he is about his faith, and particularly after this interview last month. have a listen. >> i am wondering what one or two of your most favorite bible verses are in life. >> i wouldn't want to get into it, because to me, that is very personal. when i talk about the bible, it is very personal. >> you don't want to get into the verse that means a lot the you that you think about or cite. >> the bible means a lot to me, but i don't want to get into specifics. >> i don't want to get into specifics, but maybe tonight, we will, because we have been told that he is boning up on the verses. and will the support of the evangelicals rise or wane, and will the polls translate to real numbers and real voters for trump, and now joining us to bush former secretary scott mcclelland and also amanda car pen ter, a cnn commentator and former communications director for senator ted cruz and also cnn commentator for cnn. and he says he likes the cracker and the

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it is a virgin of -- it is a version of our bible. all i suggest the people that say there may not be a dispute with their religion, read it. concentrate on it. i don't believe -- i cannot , any of our forefathers who wrote the constitution or bill of rights ever had to deal with the muslim quran. to me it is a book so far out in left field and some of the reflections we are seeing today are quran following people. pick one up at the bookstore, read it and call back a month from now and say i have a different opinion. host: do you pick up the religious books of other religions? isit just the muslim religion you are concerned about ? caller: i critique other religions. i am a lutheran. , critique catholic, methodist even catholics are so close to the protestants it is scary. i understand the mormon religion. i have no problem. they do not print in their book what their ultimate goal is. darwin.at is with go to our line for democrats were kathy has been waiting in kentucky. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. concerned i

. >> your interpretation of the bible does not trump the constitution. your interpretation of the bible does not trump the united states constitution. >> a lot of contention. davis' lawyers call it a battle for religious freedom but others say she's violating civil rights. "today in the bay's" kris sanchez joins us now. this clerk and her deputy face big fines, even jail time. >> jail, finds are on the table as rowan county could you clerk kim davis faces that federal judge in just about two hours. while he could throw the book at her, as an elected official she cannot be fired. supporters and opponents are already gathered outside the federal courthouse in ashland, kentucky waiting for are that hearing right now. the federal judge will ask davis to explain why she is defying the supreme court in refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. her lawyers have argued that the state of kentucky has an obligation to accommodate her religious objections if it would be reasonable to do so. in the meantime, davis says she's not discriminating against

i didn't recall seeing much about these topics reading the bible. that's because there's very little in there. many of the most prominent and contested stance taken by catholic authority have nothing to do with the gospel. the church's positions on these matters were arrived at through interpretations of quote, natural law which is not based on anything in the bible. he points out because the grounds looked weak conservative clergy sought to bolster their views with biblical sanction. contraception was condemned through a pretty torturous interpretation of a couple of lines in genesis that state onan spilled his seed on the ground. the ban of women in the catholic clergy is a similar stretch. neither did he ordain any men. there are no priests other than the jewish ones in the four gospels. they neither called themselves priests nor called priests by others. he even takes on abortion. opposition to which some catholics have taken as fundamental to their faith. quote, this is hard. the matter is nowhere mentioned in the old testament or new testament

first, the comment about the bible is when asked his favorite book, he said the bible and said he couldn't name a vipture verse that impacted him. i joked that he had not read the bible because his name is not in it. here's the serious point. we've got a unique opportunity in our country. the left has run the country into the ground. $18 trillion of debt. planned parenthood selling baby parts across the country. our president who is about to allow iran to become a nuclear power. he's run the country into the ground. conservatives have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get our country back, to implement conservative principles. we have to ask ourselves, are we going to turn to proven conservative principles or to a man who leaves in nothing but himself? the idea of donald trump is great. it's been an entertaining show. but at the heart of it, he's not a conservative, a liberal, a moderate, he doesn't believe in anything but himself. it's time to say enough is enough. >> when you say he's not a conservative, are you referring to his ties to the democratic party in the past? because when yo

>> yes, because that's what the bible says. neil: the bible says government should establish bureaucracy? >> the bible says -- neil: let her finish. >> let me get one word out. what he is saying he is preaching the social doctrine of the bible, and i think it is so hypocritical for people on the right to claim that he has no place to be talking about these issues and to say that these are political issues when they pick and choose things from the bible to support their positions all the time. neil: would you feel that way if he immediately came out and this was all about abortion today at the white house? >> i certainly would understand where he was coming from on it. as a christian i'm not sitting here saying i'm going to pick and choose what the message should be. neil: you are. >> i'm saying thank goodness it's finally happening, attention to the poor is actually being talked about. neil: it does make a good point, this is bringing this growing global chasm between the rich and the poor the disenfranchised in the middle of t

the reason we know he has never read the bible, he is not in the bible. folks, donald trump is not a serious person. this is a carnival act. these are serious times for our country. the democrats have practically gift wrapped this election for us. the whole thing is set up for us to win. now we are flirting with nominating a non-serious, unstable, substance-free candidate. bill: bobby jindal not holding back. says he likes the idea of donald trump. says it has been a lot of fun. then went on to eviscerate him. egomaniac, narcissist, carnival act. called him insecure and weak. said the joke's on us as americans. and that continues at the press club in washington. radio show host michael slater. richard fowler, host of his own radio show. listening to all of this. let me point out that bobby jindal is at .3% in "real clear politics" average across the country. he is tied, three-way tie for 7th right now in the state of iowa. mike, start. this was, this was, this was a chance for the governor to line up all the arguments and knock them down one by one. >> wo

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.>> i brought my bible. i am better than you thought. >> reporter: rallying the crowd this weekend, carly fiorina, the only female republican, still riding high following her performance.>> my story could only happen in this exceptional country. >> reporter: this busiest travel week for the candidates of the entire year. a began with a debate in california, then south carolina, then the field split, going to michigan and the morning over the weekend. on sunday, the first polls come out showing how the public feels about this very busy week starting with that debate. karl cameron, fox news.>>> author jackie collins has died. her family says she died today after a battle with breast cancer. she sold more than 500 million copies of her novels worldwide. they focused on the glamour and scandal of hollywood. she was diagnosed with stage iv breast cancer six years ago but only told her three daughters. her sister said she only found of -- out about her illness two weeks ago. she was 77.>>> naturalization celebrati

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the shots rang out. >> reporter: sanders was at the bible study with her aunt susie jackson. her 11-year-old grand daughter and 26-year-old son. >> i remember my son saying, mama he shot me in the head. i was telling my son, i said, just lay here, just lay here. my grand daughter was hollering, saying she was so afraid. it hurts me so bad. because i struggle with what could i have done differently that i did. because i tried my best to save both of them. >> you saved your grand daughter. you held her. >> yes. i nuzzled her so hard. i'm surprised i didn't suffocate her. i tried to hold her as tight as i could so she wouldn't make a sound. and i just heard -- i heard every shot. i heard every single shot. >> reporter: despite hit multiple times, her son tried to protect the others, including his aunt susie. >> he said where's aunt susie? i have to get to aunt susie. he didn't stop until he could get to aunt susie. >> he had been wounded several times and he is still trying to crawl to his aunt. >> he got there. he said i love you tawanza. i love you, i love you and i watched hi

months since nine members of a church bible study group in charleston were shot and killed one by one. there were only three survivors, two adults and one child. nbc's lester holt of "nightly news" spoke to two survivors. >> felicia senders holds her blood-stained bible as symbol of her faith and memory of horrifying june evening that took so much from her. >> any kind of connection i can have to my aunt and my son, i'm going to keep. >> the clothes from that day. >> i'm going to keep sxwlit the bible? >> i'm going to keep it. >> it was after all sanders' faith that brought her and polly sheppard to the mother emanuel ame bible study session that night. and now it is their faith that sustains them. >> he caught us with our eyes closed. i never told nobody this. >> iced were closes? >> we had our eyes closed. the shoths rang out. >> reporter: among the 12 in the room, sanders' aunt, her 11-year-old granddaughter, and 26-year-old son tywanza. >> i remember my son saying, mama, he shot me in the head. and my granddaughter was hollering saying she was so afraid. i said, play dead. play de

. >> your interpretation of the bible does not form the constitution. your interpretation of the bible does not form the united states constitution. >> our constitution is founded on -- >> no, it is not. our country is not founded -- >> the voices that you hear in the background are supporters from both sides of the issue. davis says she's not disobeying the supreme court because she's waiting for an appeal and she adds that she's not discriminating because she's not issuing marriage licenses to any couples, same-sex or otherwise. meanwhile, another county clerk in casey county, kentucky also refusing to sign marriage licenses. he's on a 400-mile bike ride to show solidarity with kim davis who he says is just doing the job that she was elected to do. kim davis heads to federal court this morning, and if she is found guilty of misconduct eventually and goes to jail for that, the state legislature could impeach her but that is farther off certainly than the hearing. >> right. and the fact that she's waiting for those appeals. very interesting. >>> 5:07. m

. >> your interpretation of the bible does not trump the constitution. >> reporter: a tense and angry scene erupted at the rowan county clerk's office this morning as jesse cruz and robby blankenship went to get a wedding license they have a right to. >> the supreme court has ruled right to marriage. that marriage is a civil right. >> reporter: the couple came into the county office hoping they would get the piece of paper that would lawfully acknowledge them as a family. >> we're here to get our marriage license. >> we're not issuing marriage licenses pending appeal to the >> there is appeals. >> yeah, it's over. >> your appeals are over. >> reporter: it quickly escalated as the fight for marriage equality rages on in this small town. the voices echoing in the room are those protesting both sides of the issue. the tone, divided. >> this is my office and we are not distributing licenses -- >> you're discriminating -- >> we're not discriminating because we're not issuing licenses to anybody. >> reporter: kim davis, elected official. >> i pay your salary! >> reporter: she has stopped is

but those who wanted a bible passage from him, or bible reference. >> well, look. the art of the deal is not part of the topography. but i think that trump, you know, is going to find that his supporters are going to, you know, carry the attack to ben carson. he's galvanized a set of supporters the minute someone comes up. they become history's greatest monster. trump's response to carson will be interesting. she and carson are the more antiestablishment, antiwashington move. >> one other thing. historically, when we see this kind of things between a leading candidate and the primary situation, sometimes they wind up on the same ticket. kennedy and johnson, reagan and bush. hillary clinton wound up as secretary of state. at the end of the day, they all manage to get together as a rule. >> there's obviously a great deal of strategy that goes into both sides of this alliance. who is benefitting, do you think, the most from it. >> well, that's a really interesting question. they both get such a huge benefit. ted cruz has the appeal of getting donald trump there and al

they had bible study and i went to several of the bible studies. we just really got into the gospel. it was just an environment of love and hope. is that still going on? guest: i am sure -- is what still going on? host: what is the name of the group? caller: there was a group of women who had bible study's to help us understand the gospel. guest: sure, there are a lot of interfaith efforts going on, particularly in what are called movements within the church, like catholic charismatic renewal. there are a lot of things that bring us together and that is one of the messages of the pope. and that is a good thing. we are all trying to work together. that is the pope's message. let us come together and solve some of these problems in the world. i would like to just desk even as we are talking about bringing people together, i think it is important to look honestly at president obama's decision to greet the pope with symbols of division. the people that he chose to be part of his welcoming committee. i think that is problematic. host: explain that. hast

well, it's clear donald trump has never read the bible. the reason we know he has never read the bible, he is not in the biewble. donald trump is a narcissist, and he is an ego maniac. >> governor jindal joins us now from washington, d.c. so, governor, this going after trump, new strategy. what is it all about? >> eric, thank you for having me. look, the idea of america is slipping away from us. $18 trillion of debt. planned parenthood selling baby parts across the country, our president who is about to allow iran to become a nuclear power even while he doesn't stand by israel. the left is running the country into the ground. we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to get our country back. to apply conservative principles. >> but let's stay on topic here. okay, you clearly are going after donald trump. is this to help pull your poll numbers up? you are struggling in the polls right now. >> not at all. it's not about me. we as conservative haves have a choice to make. do we apply conservative principles or turn to a man no believes in noth

he said his favorite book was the bible. he could not name one verse that had an impact on his life. i don't think he read it because he's not in it. >> reporter: we had jeb bush on cnn. he said he actually agreed with everything bobby jindal had to say about donald trump. >> i think he believes he can insult his way to the presidency and i don't think history is a good guide for that. he needs to begin to say what his vision is for the future. up until now, i think governor jindal is correct. he is not a serious candidate. >> reporter: those comments alone give you an idea of how the debate has moved beyond the substance of the candidates to attack personalities. getting vicious. as for bobby jindal, it will be difficult to see if this helps him in the polls. he is further behind jeb bush. donald trump and ben carson. john and christine. back to you. >> sara, thank you. the biggest political news may have been this. an emotional joe biden cast doubt on the bid for presidency. this came on "the late show with stephen colbert