jesse jackson won the primary i believe in '88, if i'm not mistaken. over michael dukakis. john mccain pulled an up set in 20000. this a volatile electorate in the state of michigan, has been for some time. it is because economic anxiety hasn't gone away in two generations. >> yeah, i think it's a really good sample for the country. maybe i'm prejudice, but to me, it feels like all the big upper midwest, nfl states. you think of the white guy, the black guy, whatever, in a big job, rooting like hell for green bay, you think of them as regular people. they can go either way politically. they are affected by democratgrc change. i'll go for bernie, because i love he's so revolutionary or i'll go for trump, national republican theory, you probably read it in the journal the other day, the upper midwest will be a chance for trump to win a general election, he could carry it because of western pennsylvania, elite seeming, trump is obviously elite maybe more than george w, i can't see mitt romney winning those big nfl states. >> big 10 country, it was huge, the obama campaign actu

obama won tons of caucuses, i think most of them, even in 1988 jesse jackson wins the michigan caucus that breathes new life in his campaign. i do think and even in terms of a ground game in these caucus states, the iowa caucus organization that these democrats and republicans would need something for a general election as well. >> gary said to me the iowa chamber of commerce should build a statue to him. as george mcgovern's campaign manager he was the one that put the focus on iowa and created it as the institution. a lot spent in des moines. >> there has to be a way to keep the excitement around the turnout that the caucuses create. the other thing in addition to the messiness, i find problematic about caucusing, is that voting is a deeply private and personal experience. when you are submitting yourself to the pressures of your neighbors, trying to sort of convince you or persuade you, i don't think that's the best way to go in and make an independent vote in a way that you feel protected. you feel secure about it. so i would like to go back to sort of the privacy and personal exp

your dad, reverend jesse jackson, has not endorsed yet. have you spoken to him about a candidate he likes or timing of when we might hear an endorsement from him? >> he has opted not to endorse. i've endorsed senator sanders because in 1988 when my father was running i remember senator sanders endorsing my father, in burlington vermont with open arms. i'm very familiar with his history with civil rights in chicago. and the work he had done in 1960s by fighting to desegregate, marching with martin luther king, jr., people that are my heros. i look to him as a true american statesman. an politician. his track record is unbelievable. 50 years of public service. and he is still moving very strong. >> you bring up sanders endorsement of your dad at a time when bernie sanders pretty much stood alone. as a person in a position of power. so do you think that your father will return that favor by supporting bernie sanders soon? >> i think that you can ask him. but mr. sanders certainly has my support and i've been very public about it. i look at mr

to forget the fact not only he was with congressman in the early 1960s, he was wasn't on jesse jackson's '88 campaign which is more of a class based campaign, he was on the '84 campaign. >> i agree about the stumbling. this is a moment in which a guy who is, he's represented a constituency that's overwhelming white for a listeniong time. that's not his fault. that's just is what it is. you took the person who is the bronx borough president, and dropped him into kansas to talk about farms, it would take him a while to adjust. >> look, the kpits polling is a different phenomenon. certainly, bernie's engaging a broader constituency. i think you have seen the black lives matter activists have a real impact and he's embraced them and they have embraced him. he's been the only one to stand up and say in the case of mcdonald in chicago, anybody involved in that cover up should resign which leaves room the mayor. hillary has been taking up for the mayor. what we have seen in the places where we really campaigned, frankly none of these campaigns have been campaigning in every state. hillary had a

jesse jackson actually on many of the states of super tuesday 1988. it moved the party to the left and republican establishment figures said hey, an outsider can win iowa by shaking enough hands but an outsider will never win super tuesday because it cost too much money and they have to have a ground game that only the party can give them so both parties created this frankenstein monster that has slipped its bonds and is now roaming the country doing the very opposite. jenna: just to give folks perspective, at the first super tuesday, the term was first used in 1976. the 1980 election and beyond it started to pick up steam and you had more states. at one point i was looking down the list, you had 21 states voting on super tuesday, 25 on 2008 so it's gone up. we are seeing on the screen ronald reagan. talk to us a little bit about the dynasty that some say super tuesday lunch after ronald reagan. >> the reagan dynasty also, that was 1976 and counted president ronald ford and reagan spit super tuesday. that's a prequel for the reagan revolution and his

jesse jackson was but he didn't get this far. bernie sanders in chicago is clearly every bit as much as those men are. this is the closest they've gotten to the white house but it's the nonwhite vote that ironically expected to prevent the civil rights movement from making it to the white house. that's something we need to talk about going forward. >> last question, brian, if trump does become the nominee, what do you think is going to happen? do you think the gop will unite behind him even though he's been so controversial? >> at the end of the day if he gets the nomination, i think most of the gop will have to rally around him. it would be the gop's nominee but it's going to be one of those things where a lot of establishment people in the republican party are really going to have to cite the old expression, hold their nose. >> bryan college aims, like always, thanks for your time and perspective on all of this. >> thank you. >> stay with ktvu for continuing coverage of the race for president. we're working to bring you the lat

i was there once on a trip in the 1980s with jesse jackson and he went in to meet with fidel castro and we waited six hours for them to come out and have a news conference and so we did see this building. it's really -- there are parts of it, as we see right here with the military standing at attention, that are quite grand when you think about the poverty that is an edimic in cuba. you see the people here, that is to say the leaders of the >> i want to say that building in the period before the revolution, that building was the complex that held the cuban supreme court and the cuban ministry of justice. it wasn't the presidential palace. >> say that again. >> that used to be the justice complex in the precastro republic. >> where is that now? >> here's -- e euse me. here is the moment we've been waiting for. re is raul castro obviously shaking hands with the president. a very longhand shake. all smiles from both leaders. >> president obama knows some spanglish, but he is not flaunt. and i don't believe that raul stro really speaks good fidel castro used to speak pretty good english. he

jesse jackson is another one. that toomey isn't being a champion for ending discrimination, that is for making money. >> host: you say that something the democratic party is profiting off of her votes and money. >> host: >> guest: writenow displaying out of the democratic side. they are the democratic frontrunners and the only ones for the democratic nomination in the presidential election and they are pandering to black lives matter. we saw when bernie sanders was out in the event he didn't get get what black people felt was appropriate service and he was tickled off the stage. i am a black person and i find that offensive. to get the so-called black endorsements it is fast and furious to meeting with all sharpton. why aren't they getting the endorsement of so-called white america and white spokespeople? i find it offensive. they should be talking about their agenda. we know that hillary clinton in 1994 supported her husband's crime bill which locked up and incarcerated more black men than any president in histor

jacksons and the john lewises and the martin luther kings and all the rest. so i think they deserve some credit for that. i have to issay, don, i had som question about your assumption, well, they had struggled with the conversation last night because they'd never thought about it. i think they thought about it a ton. many, many white -- i make a lot of mistakes. i teach and it's like walking through minefields. you've got to be very careful what you say. but those of us who are white are struggling to find the language in which we can build bridges to each other, which we can find where each other is, that we can listen to each other in a more respectful wa fuful w. i think this campaign has helped with that. we're not there yet, but i guess we ought to be more charitable towards each other. >> i agree 100% with everything you said. and if we're going to have a conversation that is meaningful, we have to allow others some leeway. i respect what you just said. go ahead, van. >> well, i agree as well, i think that part of the reason why it's hard to talk about

former presidential nominees and jesse jackson. for the complete weekend schedule, go to www.c-span.org. professoristory douglas egerton discusses black activism in the reconstruction era. he talks about activists in northern and southern states and which blacks meant to fight for the rights, like the right to vote. this talk was part of a symposium held in virginia. it is just over 50 minutes.

. >> look, jesse jackson, as paul remembers in the '80s, ran all the way to the end as well. you can do that. if you can't break out of a pattern where you're winning 35, 38, 40%, sure, you can run but you're not going to change anything. >> and the hope with yes, sir see jackson back in the '80s was that he could bring together blue and white collar blacks and he won the michigan caucuses and he was on the cover of magazines. >> the question that gets asked all the time and never really answered to my satisfaction is why doesn't bernie sanders do better with african-americans? it doesn't make sense in terms of his message. i don't know why it wouldn't resonate. >> it's not his weakness. it's hillary's strength. i think we're looking at the wrong side of the equation. >> but what is her access to that community? >> bernie is -- >> as a 20-year-old, he got arrested trying to integrate housing at the university of chicago. he has a terrific record. hillary has a et aboutbetter re the eyes of the voters. >> hold on a second. i'm not cutting you off for a bad reason. it's for goo

jackson. for the complete american history tv weekend schedule go to cspan.org. >>> next a discussion about foreign aid programs hosted by the brookings institution and the american enterprise institute with usaid administrator gayle smith. the event begins with remarks from senators david perdue and jeanne shaheen, members of the foreign relations committee. this is an hour and 15 minutes. >> again, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon and welcome. two items of housekeeping. again, per senate rules, protesting is prohibited, and we would ask you to please ensure that your cell phones have been shut off. it's my honor to welcome from aei danny plecco. [ applause ] >> thank you, everybody, for not protesting and for clapping instead. ladies and gentlemen members of the diplomatic corps it's really a great pleasure to welcome you to this joint american enterprise institute, brookings event with the new agency for international development administrator, gayle smith. we've titled this event "u.s.

i think he might be more like jesse jackson, just in terms of what he is able to do -- >> i didn't say his campaign would be. there is a near he would play a nader spoiler role or he would not endorse hillary and his supporters would find a green party alternative. i don't think he will be nader with his messaging and support to this point. but as ron was running down all of these lists of states that bernie sanders will do well in, we still have to dlaud along the way you have maryland, you have california, you have new york, pennsylvania. you have the big ones where there is a diverse population and the reason that it's delegate rich that diverse population reflects the democratic paefrmt i think that's very important to say and there have been one upset, one race outside of michigan that shocked the democratic conscience. i think people overlook it how well and how big hillary clinton outperformed all metrics in ohio. hillary clinton went into ohio in a race that was supposed to be a toss up and won by 14 points. i got in trouble for saying recalibrated, how it refocused on the mess

jackson, who if you remember brought bill clinton into his house in front of his people to denounce black racism against white people, obama instead choice al sharpton, a guy who's had a history of dividing the races. >> you're exactly right. this guy is now the adviser for racial issues to the white house. unbelievable. stephen very much, thank you. back with me now, andrea, jessica, richard, tom, and fox news contributor stacy dash. stacy, i'll start with you. everybody has stuff in their past. and people can be redeemed. i don't know. i think this takes it to another level. do you think al sharpton is ashamed of this? >> i don't know if he's ashamed of this. but i'm wondering if this is before or after he was convicted for drug dealing, and then became a snitch. that's what i want to know. >> he was a federal snitch. >> yes, a federal snitch. >> he wore a wire. >> i don't know what he did, but he was a snitch. i don't want a snitch representing me. i don't understand why he gets to speak so much. he's just a rebel rouser. he's a divider. >> and it makes much -- it makes the jobs

jesse jackson who although making the unfortunate comment, and black people rightfully responded -- >> host: the moment on fox news before he became president. >> guest: the cameras and microphones or rolling and he made the comment that he wanted to cut his testicles off because he was speaking down the black people. that was the most important thing, he was condescending black people. >> host: there is such love and at that time was so much love for barack obama. there was a joke in the black community, jesus and then barack obama. >> guest: king jesus and barack. >> host: yes. with that, was he and his right to say it, or should have said it behind closed doors and the lights are off? >> guest: i'm not one to say things behind closed doors. i didn't know. i didn't get no invitation. that is malarkey to a certain degree, but there is something to be said for going to black institutions and engaging people in privacy where you can say rather more stern things. all groups have tough words for each other, sometimes in public and sometimes behind closed doors. what was most offensive is

he got up every day to help the lives of others and he was -- but in his eulogy, jesse jackson said he had carried this weight for everybody. and if you think about when he arrived, april 15, 1947, martin luther king was a junior at morehouse college. harris s. truman had not integrated the military. there was no organized sit-ins. a parks was a decade away. he refused to give up his seat in the lunch counter until he was served. henry: he was court marshaled. ken: and he was a sit-in before sit-ins and a freedom rider before freedom rider. jackie represents the beginning of the modern civil rights era because he takes our national pastime, walks through that door and carries it single handedly. michael: with you talk about the myths? i thought i knew something about jackie robinson. i went to school in brooklyn. and the pee wee reese thing. ken: you know, i have to be honest. we perpetrated it -- we passed it long the way they passed it on. they are simpler, easier, they don't represent the complicated narrative -- and there is a statue out of the great american park park. in 1947 whe

i think he only attended the 1984 one because is he friends with jesse jackson. in 2008 barack obama convention. he has been a democratic socialist. he has been an independent. the point is why did clinton allies are sir cow late this is that he needs a democratic establishment now. is he part of the democratic apparatus by running as a candidate. at the convention he wants these super delegates. he wants to be invested. if you are out there for many years i'm not a democrat. >> 8 months too late on this one. >> debbie wasserman schultz never should have allowed him in the debates. they allowed him to run as a democrat even though is he not really aá&y3Ñ democrat. >> secretary hillary clinton putting bernie sanders on the back burner for the moment and looking ahead to the first. ad first mentioned. secretary clinton does hit hard at donald trump. >> when some say we can solve america's problems by building walls, banning people based on their religion, and turning against each other, well, this is new york. and we know better. >> senior advisor to the donald t

jackson who if you will remember went into his house to denounce souljah, he chose al sharpton who is known to divide the races. >> yes, he is an adviser to the white house. steph stephen, thank you. and now, back with me, an dree ya, and richard and tom and stacy. and now, everybody has stuff in the past, and people can be redeemed, but i have never said off of the pig in my past but this is to another level, do you think that al sharpton is ashamed of in? >> i don't know if he is ashamed of this, but i am wondering if this is before or after he was convicted of drug dealing and then became a snitch. >> he was a federal snitch? >> yes, he wore a wire. >> yes, i don't know what he did, but he is a snitch, and i don't want a snitch representing me, and i don't know why anybody would, and i don't know why he is gets to speak so much, because he is a rabble-rouser, and a divider. >> and it makes the jobs of the police officers that much harder when you have guys like this out there. >> yeah. >> and saying these things. and an dree kra ya, this guy doesn't even pay his taxes, and it didn'

. >> and christian, in wisconsin, that i remember jesse jackson winning wisconsin. o they've had a pretty good track record in wisconsin. >> reporter: absolutely, progressive candidates and working class voters here who will like senator sanders' message and secretary clinton, her campaign down playing expectations and could weather a loss in wisconsin. still though, to underscore the point that kasie is making, the climb the steep for senator sanders. he netted fewer than secretary clinton netted by winning florida alone and she still has a larger delegate lead than barack obama had at any given point. they are still very much engaged in this fight. however, secretary clinton continues and increasingly, taking donald trump on the trail is a sign that she's ready to pivot to this general election and doesn't want to underestimate trump if she doesn't find herself facing off in a general election and anticipate to take a similar tactic today and delivers a speech on the supreme court. she will take another shot at donald trump. >> kristen welker and kasie hunt. thank

jackson. for the complete american history tv we can schedule, go to c-span.org. all week in american history tv is featuring alabama's capital city of montgomery. named after revolutionary war general richard montgomery. city'ss city store -- tour staff visited the hitting -- city to learn its history. >> if you think about the timeline of the modern-day civil rights movement, the beginning of that move it being 1954 brown versus the board of education. the apex of the silver is vivid being the assassination of dr. king. it's right in the middle of that history. we are the halfway point for both of those events. what happened on the streets of montgomery really became a turning point for the movement. rides were civil rights campaign to challenge the segregated laws of interstate travel across the south. they began on may 4, 1961 with two groups of integrated people, black and white, leaving a greyhound buses traveling to the deep south to test whether the facilities and modes of transportati

jerry brown won this primary in 1980, jesse jackson won. it's had some stranger than fiction type of results in michigan. can bernie sanders pull the upset? >> i don't think he will. i think he will do better than some of the polls are suggesting, but the institutional support for clinton in michigan is really remarkable. former governor, former senator carl levin, current senators, they are such strong clinton advocates and worked really hard to make sure she does well on tuesday. i think that will carry her over the finish line. >> mary, you're one of the people thought the debate on thursday night was so bad for the party itself that it was >> i did not. i don't think anything's been helpful to the democrats. i'm going to agree with stephen that michigan on both sides is institutional. i was exiled there for losing iowa. my punishment was -- we had a rump convention but in the end it is institutionalized and i think she'll win. i think for mrs. clinton her problem is not going to be that she's not going to be the nominee, it's the lack o

a couple of minutes ago i had a friend of mine from the jackson campaign, this esaid in 1988, a jesse jackson state. >> when it comes to democrats, if bernie can't win here, the rationale for his campaign takes a massive blow. he was able to say i didn't do as well in the south because i don't have the ties or whatever, but wait until i get up north. then i'm going to show you something. if he's not able to pull it off, it's tough for him. the clintons realize they have a chance to put this guy away. they have chelsea, bill, buddy, sox, i mean -- >> very good! >> they are trying to stop this guy. >> i hate to break it to you, i don't think buddy and sox are still -- >> what? >> well, maybe they're on a nice farm. maybe that's where they went. >> they've been relying too much on buddy and sox, maybe that's the problem. and they're just not around. the story of this campaign so far has been hillary clinton's firewall in the african-american community. bernie sanders' surprising strength among working class whites. can he make any inroads with the african-americans, can she do better or

no shooting the moon in the -- >> it's interesting that he's hanging around with jesse jackson. reverend jackson created these rules. >> that's true. >> because of jackson in '88. >> rubio -- i don't know what to think. maybe there's some huge shock -- upset tomorrow. who knows. >> rubio campaign is very confident. >> yes. >> i mean, look. the only thing that he has going for him is the early votes that have been tallied. there is a decent case to be made. tough not clear, but there is a case to be made those early votes favor rubio. you know, there have been a lot of early votes cast here. though i've seen -- the most recent polls actually show cruz moving up. so i mean, best case scenario is rubio pulls off a miraculous last-second win and shouldn't be that miraculous. that's best-case scenario. worst case scenario -- >> trump trounced. >> and maybe comes in third. >> i was on -- going to radio stations today. went to the conservative radio station. cruz is actually getting backlash for going against the violence of the trump rallies. that could be rubio's opening. >> very int

jackson. his track record is strong. he stepped on a banana peel. if there's a mistake he made, he conflates in his mind race and poverty. you heard him say. don't lecture me about poverty. we didn't ask you about poverty. we asked you about race. there are middle class african-americans like myself who have experience of racial discrimination. he doesn't talk about that. so because he does do that conflation, a race and poverty almost every time, he's getting himself into trouble. but charge it to his head, not his heart. no doubt this guy cares about these issues. >> but certainly, donna, for a candidate who needs to do better with african-american voters, this is the last thing he really needed to have happen. >> i agree with 100% of what van just talked about in terms of referring to the ghetto. we don't do that no more. unless you listen to donny hathaway, and it's a wonderful soundtrack. there are poor whites in this country. often they are ignored and overlooked because white people are

the southern governors hung their hopes on al gore, but he split votes with jesse jackson, but that led michael dukakis to first place finishes in texas and florida, and he became the nominee. >> the unintended consequences of reform. their plan didn't work, pure and simple. i think they were surprised that gore didn't do better than he did, and that weren't too keen on michael dukakis, who was boosted at least as much by super tuesday as any other candidate. >> brangham: since then, super tuesday and the momentum that comes with it has been a good predictor of eventual party nominees. >> i think the only tuesday more super than this tuesday will be tuesday november 5. that's going to be super. >> brangham: in 1996, then- republican senator bob dole swept the field and forced his then-rival businessman steve forbes to withdraw two days after their super tuesday matchup. and in 2000, then-vice president gore did the same, with 81% of democratic delegates up for grabs on super tuesday, he effectively locked up the nomination. >> ifill: gore's victory was a sweet one. he swept all 11 prima

jackson in '84, '88. his track record is strong. he stepped on a banana peel. if there's a mistake that he made, he conflate in his mind race and poverty. you heard him say. don't lecture me about poverty. we didn't ask you about poverty. we asked you about race. there are middle class african-americans like myself and like others who have experience of racial discrimination. he doesn't talk about that. so because he does do that conflation of race and poverty almost every time, he's getting himself into trouble. that happened. but charge it to his head, not his heart. there's no doubt that this guy cares about these issues. >> but certainly, donna, for a candidate who needs to do better with african-american voters, this is the last thing he really needed to have happen. >> i agree with 100% of what van just talked about in terms of referring to the ghetto. we don't do that no more. i mean, i'm sorry, unless you listen to donny hathaway as i do, and it's a wonderful soundtrack. by the way, there are poor

and martin luther king came to shaw university, jesse jackson came to shaw university. it's very significant and that's also -- you have to give credit to henry and martin tupper, in the dna if you will of shaw university, social justice, carrying on his courage. >> wow. all right. to nominate someone for next year's raleigh hall of fame go to wral.com, search hl of fame and the deadline is march 18th. what bravery. what an amazing story. >> oftentimes i'm just standing here transfixed on several of these stories. >>> several students are charged crime. >> investigators say they wanted revenge for suspensions. >> we could have easily had a homicide here, and people could have died in this fire, and it was that serious. >>e'll tell whose house was to track down the teenage suspects. >> and meet the press, there for the first time this morning since nbc joined the wral conversation with moderator> unc em way w or dunha he fro c se video showingte p hl. meinnotg pestsare in and them mitou.m yl. aarth20 brymi. st pckay haeey.sli sin e'elo stahat toda n tcoble, weavha b w we

if you look at the history of who's done well in this primary, like jesse jackson, it should be a sanders state, but she's here fighting for it. >> today the clinton campaign was dealt a double whammy on that old e-mail story. our former colleague reports in the "los angeles times" that federal prosecutors are setting up interviews with clinton's staff, as well as possibly clinton herself. and the "washington post" ad in 2009 when state department officials looked at clinton's wish to use her blackberry, they apparently were not told clinton's phone was tied to her private e-mail server. what's the worst case scenario for secretary clinton on the e-mail front? >> there's no indication that there's a grand jury yet. they've been welcoming her to be interviewed by the fbi for months. but i do think her aides going before the fbi is potentially problematic. you'll see reports of the interviews, maybe leaks from fbi agents who don't like the clintons about what they said. there's the possibility that there are new facts that come into play if it happens simultaneous to sanders winning wiscons

jerry brown won this primary in 1980, jesse jackson won. it's had some stranger than fiction type of results in michigan. can bernie sanders pull the upset? >> i don't think he will. i think he will do better than some of the polls are suggesting, but the institutional support for clinton in michigan is really remarkable. former governor, former senator carl levin, current senators, they are such strong clinton advocates and worked really hard to make sure she does well on tuesday. i think that will carry her over the finish line. >> mary, you're one of the people thought the debate on thursday night was so bad for the party itself that it was helpful to democrats? >> i did not. i don't think anything's been helpful to the democrats. i'm going to agree with stephen that michigan on both sides is institutional. i was exiled there for losing iowa. my punishment was -- we had a rump convention but in the end it is institutionalized and i think she'll win. i think mrs. clinton her problem is not going to be that she's not going to be the nomine

jackson. for the complete american history tv weekend schedule, go to c-span.org. buff.m a history i enjoy seeing the fabric of our country and how things work and made. >> i love american history tv. american artifacts is a fantastic show. >> i had no idea history was something i would enjoy. >> with american history tv, it gives you that perspective. >> i am a c-span fan. we are back at ford's theater in washington, d.c. with the vietnam lincoln symposium. -- abraham lincoln symposium. the man is in the process of giving away an award. we are waiting for another speaker to talk. they will beast -- that will be stacy pratt mcdermott speaking about mary lincoln. she is contextualize and the life and legacy of that former first lady. >> in selecting a dissertation topic, i had a strong desire to address the value that musical analysis can provide in attracting small and large scale changes in historical memories. in using the musical moralization of abraham lincoln as the case study for this ex